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MIT-Scheme? 01:16:25 sure it's fine, or PLT or chicken or SISC or ... 01:21:16 Ok, thanks soup dragon (?) 01:21:41 -!- rouslan [n=Rouslan@unaffiliated/rouslan] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:22:19 -!- r2q2 [n=user@c-24-7-212-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:25:20 PLT now also has some special support for SICP 01:25:29 DrScheme, that is 01:26:39 http://www.neilvandyke.org/sicp-plt/ 01:26:57 oh, he left, :D 01:30:36 -!- elias` [n=c@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:37:19 -!- mbishop [n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:40:33 lowlycoder [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has joined #scheme 01:45:10 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-d9f7c4cca90e6b5a] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:47:40 -!- sreeram [n=sreeram@122.174.70.42] has quit [] 01:48:48 sreeram [n=sreeram@122.174.70.42] has joined #scheme 01:49:44 -!- Lemonator [n=kniu@pool-71-107-56-85.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:50:54 Lemonator [n=kniu@pool-71-107-56-85.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 01:57:14 rudybot [n=luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 02:03:34 offby1 [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 02:09:47 -!- soupdragon [n=f@amcant.demon.co.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:18:40 -!- z0d [n=z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:18:45 z0d [n=z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has joined #scheme 02:30:00 -!- joast [n=rick@76.178.184.231] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:32:41 joast [n=rick@76.178.184.231] has joined #scheme 02:46:49 mbishop [n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop] has joined #scheme 02:53:22 -!- tjafk2 [n=timj@e176194079.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:53:25 tjafk1 [n=timj@e176196023.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:54:23 -!- lowlycoder [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has quit ["leaving"] 02:55:43 -!- joast [n=rick@76.178.184.231] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:57:59 joast [n=rick@76.178.184.231] has joined #scheme 03:14:10 soupdragon [n=f@amcant.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 03:16:21 -!- forcer [n=forcer@c159230.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:19:16 lowlycoder [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has joined #scheme 03:24:05 -!- lowlycoder [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has quit [Client Quit] 03:37:32 -!- joast [n=rick@76.178.184.231] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:39:50 joast [n=rick@76.178.184.231] has joined #scheme 03:41:36 copumpkin [n=pumpkin@pat9.border1-cfw.dartmouth.edu] has joined #scheme 03:56:44 -!- dsmith [n=dsmith@cpe-173-88-196-177.neo.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:57:20 dsmith [n=dsmith@cpe-173-88-196-177.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:58:05 -!- dsmith [n=dsmith@cpe-173-88-196-177.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 03:58:34 dsmith [n=dsmith@cpe-173-88-196-177.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:59:06 -!- joast [n=rick@76.178.184.231] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:00:29 elias` [n=c@host81-155-251-189.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 04:00:54 joast [n=rick@76.178.184.231] has joined #scheme 04:07:10 -!- copumpkin [n=pumpkin@pat9.border1-cfw.dartmouth.edu] has quit ["Leaving..."] 04:07:19 arcfide [n=arcfide@h-69-3-101-26.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #scheme 04:16:44 -!- arcfide [n=arcfide@h-69-3-101-26.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:20:16 -!- joast [n=rick@76.178.184.231] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:21:45 joast [n=rick@76.178.184.231] has joined #scheme 04:21:57 arcfide [n=arcfide@h-68-164-228-42.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #scheme 04:37:20 raikov [n=igr@42.155.145.122.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 04:39:15 -!- elias` [n=c@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:40:01 -!- dudleyf [n=dudleyf@ip70-178-212-238.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [] 04:42:10 GreyLensman [n=ray@c-76-109-2-157.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:42:14 -!- GreyLensman [n=ray@c-76-109-2-157.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:42:35 elias` [n=c@host86-136-181-62.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 05:04:34 lowlycoder [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has joined #scheme 05:21:46 is it possible to define RESET and SHIFT using only CWCC? 05:22:15 well CWCC and other stuff, but not %direct-builtin-continuation-prompt and other stuff I have no understanding of 05:26:50 Arelius_ [n=indy@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 05:28:38 no clue soupdragon, but my guess would be that is some lower level faster version of call-with-continuation-prompt. 05:28:55 -!- Arelius [n=indy@64.174.9.113] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:36:00 Arelius [n=indy@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 05:44:10 -!- lowlycoder [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has quit ["leaving"] 05:46:40 -!- joast [n=rick@76.178.184.231] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:52:48 -!- Arelius_ [n=indy@64.174.9.113] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:53:00 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:18:49 -!- sreeram [n=sreeram@122.174.70.42] has quit [] 06:23:31 -!- mariorz [n=mariorz@unaffiliated/mariorz] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:23:34 mariorz [n=mariorz@li10-58.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 06:26:47 soupdragon: Yes, call/cc is strictly more powerful than shift/reset. 06:27:42 oh I didn't know that 06:27:44 a 06:27:57 is there something in particular it can do which shift/reset can't? 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"less complicated" maybe, but I bet you could emulate call/cc with shift and reset 12:39:37 you can do some crazy iterative stuff with shift/reset... 12:39:38 http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.scheme/msg/9f0d61da01540816 12:47:04 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:48:09 that is a lovely link 12:50:36 GreyLensman [n=ray@c-76-109-2-157.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 12:50:40 -!- GreyLensman [n=ray@c-76-109-2-157.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:52:26 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-100-124.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:59:53 -!- reprore__ [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:01:41 bhrgunatha [n=chatzill@118-170-176-119.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 13:02:00 -!- bhrgunatha [n=chatzill@118-170-176-119.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:02:20 bhrgunatha [n=chatzill@118-170-176-119.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 13:06:11 ken-p [n=ken-p@84.92.70.37] has joined #scheme 13:10:32 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 13:15:44 -!- wingo [n=wingo@ATuileries-153-1-13-190.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 13:20:13 -!- bhrgunatha [n=chatzill@118-170-176-119.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5pre/20090618031221]"] 13:23:05 -!- ikaros [n=ikaros@g226151028.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:28:17 repror___ [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 13:28:41 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 13:28:59 Hasn't common lisp music moved over to a dialect of scheme in the recent years? -> maybe you were refering to this project http://impromptu.moso.com.au/ 13:34:24 -!- Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:36:12 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-100-124.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 13:37:11 Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #scheme 13:38:21 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-100-124.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:38:22 -!- repror___ [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:40:21 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-100-124.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 13:46:35 -!- Lemonator [n=kniu@pool-71-107-56-85.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:47:14 soupdragon [n=f@amcant.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 13:49:37 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 13:51:29 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:54:37 langmartin [n=user@exeuntcha.tva.gov] has joined #scheme 13:54:42 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:55:07 cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #scheme 13:55:41 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-100-124.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:57:23 rjack [n=rjack@adsl-ull-244-40.51-151.net24.it] has joined #scheme 14:03:54 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has left #scheme 14:05:11 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 14:06:22 Riastradh: Did you get an answer to your question about linking to the source of an egg? 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[example ( 1 2 (4 5) 6 (7 () 8 9)) is an argument)... then how can i check inside this function if (car argumentList) returned a list itself or a single element? 15:53:34 prescriptor: pair? tells you if an object is a cons or an atom 15:55:11 thanks sampointon 15:55:56 -!- mariorz [n=mariorz@li10-58.members.linode.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:55:57 prescriptor: Using `list?' is better. 15:55:59 mariorz [n=mariorz@li10-58.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 15:56:06 r5rs list? 15:56:06 http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-9.html#%_idx_414 15:56:08 -rudybot_:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/n7sc5f 15:56:20 -!- gnomon_ is now known as gnomon 15:56:23 eli, certainly not 15:57:25 For checking whether something is a list, `list?' is better than `pair?' because the latter returns true for non-list values. 15:57:28 soupdragon, I'm inclined to agree with eli, here. 15:57:54 npe [n=npe@94-224-251-223.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 16:06:26 rudybot_: eval (define (list?-and-pair? x) (list (list? x) (pair? x))) 16:06:27 eli: your sandbox is ready 16:06:31 rudybot_: eval (list?-and-pair? '()) 16:06:31 eli: ; Value: (#t #f) 16:06:40 rudybot_: eval (list?-and-pair? (cons 1 2)) 16:06:40 eli: ; Value: (#f #t) 16:06:45 rudybot_: eval (require srfi/1) 16:06:48 rudybot_: eval (list?-and-pair? (circular-list 1 2 3)) 16:06:49 eli: ; Value: (#f #t) 16:09:32 sorry ... one more newb question.. how do you say "not" .. like is not a pair 16:09:42 not null? 16:09:44 etc etc 16:10:14 (define (isnt what?) (lambda (thing) (not (what? thing)))) 16:10:31 not is keyword? 16:10:38 r5rs not 16:10:39 http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-9.html#%_idx_368 16:10:42 -rudybot_:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/nz692x 16:10:45 it's a standard procedure 16:12:34 thanks again 16:13:04 karlw [n=karl@adsl-99-157-202-142.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 16:14:15 soupdragon : istr it being possible to implement `reset' and `shift' using `call-with-current-continuation' and a single state cell 16:14:54 ski: is the state cell storing a list of continations? 16:15:15 a single continuation, iirc 16:17:32 i don't recall atm which paper described this, but i think implements it 16:20:04 (istr the paper noticing that the result of a CPS-transformation for `shift' and `reset' looked like written state-passing-style (or state-monad, if you prefer), thereby suggesting to use primitive state instead, if available) 16:21:03 why isn't reset a procedure? 16:21:22 wait no .. 16:21:33 it could be, if it took a thunk 16:27:18 question: in Scheme . ... if I have a list like (a b c d e f) ... then write a recurive method that "car's" each element of this list .. then let's say i get to element 'c'... if I do a comparison of the c that got car'ed with an expression 'c, the result be #t or #f? 16:28:25 i.e. what i mean is that the expression 'c .. is that same scheme object as he c from that list? 16:29:25 well you can try this, 16:29:33 (define this-list (a b c d e f)) 16:29:39 oops 16:29:42 (define this-list '(a b c d e f)) 16:29:51 (equal? (caddr this-list) 'c) 16:29:54 it will say #t 16:30:11 caddr <-- didn't know what that was 16:30:12 thanks 16:30:40 I think that if you do eq? instead of equal? there is a chance it says #f but this would be worth double checking 16:30:53 anyway the point is that eq? is finer than equal? 16:32:05 yah. so the way i understand is that i should use eqv? for values.. eq? for objects.... and equal? for like exactly the same (like structure-wise) 16:33:32 mm it's tricky to know which to use.. I usually am using EQUAL? 16:33:53 since you have (equal? (list 'x 'y) '(x y)) but not necessarily (eq? (list 'x 'y) '(x y)) 16:34:00 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-24-73.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:34:33 i see 16:34:39 i'll remember that 16:34:47 makes sense 16:34:54 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-24-73.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:35:01 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-129-65.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:35:05 two objects with same structure are equal when you're writing a practical program 16:36:01 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-24-73.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:36:04 I should think we have (let ((x (new-object)) (eq? x x)) true, but (eq? 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Given SHIFT and RESET, and a top-level RESET surrounding the entire program, one can define CWCC. 17:51:42 is that top level RESET good? 17:52:33 `Good'? 17:52:49 well I think PLT has it but chicken doesn't.. 17:53:07 I am not sure I would ever use a top level reset, but the thing is.. maybe someone else values it 17:59:17 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B055538.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:02:32 elibarzilay [n=eli@m3b5e36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #scheme 18:03:02 Is there a name for scheme without CWCC (or related)? 18:03:08 -!- cornucopic [n=r00t@115.184.165.115] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:03:20 Clojure? 18:03:21 :) 18:03:21 weinholt [i=weinholt@debian/emeritus/weinholt] has joined #scheme 18:03:40 hehe 18:05:12 Daemmerung: is that real? 18:10:35 -!- REPLeffect [n=REPLeffe@69.54.115.254] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:14:05 elibarzilay, it seems to be - see http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8u5dp/erik_naggum_19652009_rip/ , http://twitter.com/kjetilv/status/2251766884 , http://www.open-voip.com/blogs/blog1/2009/06/20/erik-naggum-1965-2009-rip 18:14:08 -rudybot_:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/l3sasw 18:15:33 gnomon: I'm on a cellphone... 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synthasee [n=synthase@adsl-220-168-177.mob.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 22:40:51 -!- Arelius_ is now known as Arelius 22:42:49 prescriptor: which scheme are you running? 22:42:53 prescriptor: as far as IDE's go, I think there is SLIME support for Schem48, I may be mistaken though. 22:43:28 leppie: i like to have it toggle the cassette port or listen to the ambient EM with a crystal radio 22:44:02 reprore_ [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 22:46:25 The only thing an IDE ever did for me was I could pick any identifier and go to its definition. That's damn hard to do. emacs completely fails at that. 22:48:22 synx: Depends on the language; I think it does that pretty well for procedural code 22:48:44 It fails horribly at anything object-oriented 22:50:18 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs162149.pp.htv.fi] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:52:03 output is side effect, side effect iz evil 22:52:11 -!- reprore_ [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:52:20 Death to side effects! 22:52:27 *sjamaan* gets out the pitchforks 22:52:34 *Daemmerung* heats the tar 22:52:44 woo! 22:52:54 Well they must hide the button to do that behind the door marked "beware of leopard" sjamaan, because I can't find it. 22:53:10 synx: M-. 22:53:26 You will need to build a tags table first, using exctags 22:54:20 Hey, here's a funny notion. Supposing you pass the entire universe as arguments to your procedure. That means no matter what you do it won't have side effects. 22:54:22 M-, cycles through possible alternatives and M-* pops the identifier stack (going back to where you last pressed M-.) 22:54:39 synx: I thought that's what monads did ;) 22:54:47 sjamaan: The...perl script? 22:54:53 ? 22:55:14 The first rule about monads is you do not talk about monads. 22:55:20 *sjamaan* hushes 22:55:26 http://search.cpan.org/dist/Parse-ExCtags/ 22:55:46 That's a parser of the exctags output 22:55:51 ctags.sourceforge.net 22:56:31 I'm still not convinced monads are a real concept. I suspect they're a tautology of some sort. 22:58:15 neilv [n=user@dsl092-071-029.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 23:27:24 dean [n=ueoa@adsl-75-16-124-182.dsl.crchtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 23:28:13 shouldn't 23:28:21 couldn't 23:29:45 How 23:30:12 When 23:30:21 minion: chant 23:30:21 MORE TEXT 23:30:43 I 23:30:51 You 23:31:15 It 23:31:39 *sjamaan* is bored 23:34:22 -!- dean [n=ueoa@adsl-75-16-124-182.dsl.crchtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:35:59 *sladegen* read monadology by leibnitz yesterday, and "loved it". 23:42:19 -!- neilv [n=user@dsl092-071-029.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:54:26 i have a procedure foo that can be called like this (foo '(sum j 2 3)) ... inside foo, i want to call (foo ...) again like so .... (foo (list 'sum (+ 1 j) 2 3)) ... is that allowd? i.e. is the way i'm incrementing j inside foo and creating the list equivalent to how I think foo expects its arguments? 23:54:27 right now, this is causing "procedure application: expected procedure, given: XXXX" where XXXX is a number 23:58:27 The example you give ought to work 23:58:34 gave* 23:59:05 lisppaste: url? 23:59:05 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme and enter your paste. 23:59:40 gotta see the evidence to judge.