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There's no reason the compiler can't make their use more transparent. 01:51:21 yes, yes; i do so want to punish people. thank you 01:54:59 -!- CSdread__ is now known as CSdread_ 01:55:05 *foof* mutters something about those damn mutants 02:00:54 -!- marcoecc [i=me@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x9C9AAE7F] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:01:57 marcoecc [i=me@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x9C9AAE7F] has joined #scheme 02:22:03 -!- dudleyf [n=dudleyf@ip70-178-212-238.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [] 02:28:29 Fjord. 02:31:57 gnomon_ [n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 02:32:17 Cjevrolet. 02:36:17 lol 02:37:52 Ljol. 02:38:15 Dodje/Fjat. 02:41:28 eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-140-190.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:43:13 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:43:56 Mazjama. 02:44:52 Lectus_ [n=Frederic@189.105.25.169] has joined #scheme 02:47:27 -!- nasloc__ [i=tim@kalug.ks.edu.tw] has quit 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[n=theiced@93.84.112.80] has joined #scheme 15:59:35 -!- ASau [n=user@host81-231-msk.microtest.ru] has quit ["off"] 16:02:58 so once again - what's the changes between r5rs and r6rs? e.g. I have book about r5rs and want to know what's true about r6rs in it and what should be updated 16:03:09 cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #scheme 16:03:15 dysinger_ [n=tim@71.20.231.3] has joined #scheme 16:04:56 Does anyone here perchance have the Canon Cat manual in digital form? 16:05:30 Is that the machine with the forward and backward search keys designed by that clever UI guy whose name I forget? 16:05:43 jeff raskin i think, yes 16:05:46 Jeff Raskin 16:05:47 i'd like to know more about it :) 16:05:58 I read Jeff's book where it was mentioned 16:06:04 Any relation, MichaelRaskin? :-) 16:06:06 me too :) 16:06:10 heh 16:11:21 cracki_ [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #scheme 16:13:25 http://www.boardgamenews.com/index.php/boardgamenews/comments/dale_yu_essen_2008_request_pol\ 16:13:26 icy_and_preview_of_constantinopolis/ 16:13:29 foo 16:13:33 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/lmydhx 16:14:03 not good at pastingtoday, sorry 16:15:06 nobody? 16:17:30 IceD^: very much has changed, look on www.r6rs.org (iirc) 16:18:01 yeah, I know - I have r6rs standard open - but main changes or something 16:18:16 like `what you should know while moving from r5rs to r6rs` 16:18:19 -!- sepult [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-73-4.netcologne.de] has quit ["leaving"] 16:18:46 http://www.r6rs.org/final/html/r6rs/r6rs-Z-H-19.html#node_chap_E 16:19:32 You might also want to read the rationale: http://www.r6rs.org/final/html/r6rs-rationale/r6rs-rationale-Z-H-2.html 16:21:01 chandler, that's what I need :) 16:21:05 thanks man! 16:22:04 gnomon_ [n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 16:22:12 * The specification of quasiquote has been extended. Nested quasiquotations work correctly now, and unquote and unquote-splicing have been extended to several operands. 16:22:25 There was a bug in nested quasiquote? 16:22:39 And what does it mean to give multiple operands to unquote? 16:22:41 r5rs quasiquote 16:22:41 http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-7.html#%_idx_150 16:22:43 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/3rjrss 16:23:35 sreeram [n=sreeram@122.174.67.160] has joined #scheme 16:23:38 -!- gnomon [n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:23:46 Jef Raskin, not Jeff Raskin. 16:23:50 jao [n=jao@249.Red-88-18-102.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 16:23:51 I'm not seeing what was wrong with the R5RS specification of quasiquotation. 16:24:29 -!- dysinger [n=tim@71.20.231.3] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:24:51 caoliver [n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 16:24:55 I think it's a joke 16:25:01 Sigh. The HTML version of R6RS is just wrong, unless ` has truly been replaced with ?. 16:25:12 I think my IRC client ate that unicode quote, though. 16:25:42 npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has joined #scheme 16:25:45 offby1, the correct answer was `pooh'. 16:26:45 -!- caoliver [n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has left #scheme 16:26:46 -!- npe_ [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:27:48 HG` [n=wells@xdslfw187.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 16:28:09 drdo [n=psykon@62.169.113.101.rev.optimus.pt] has joined #scheme 16:28:12 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:31:11 -!- wingo [n=wingo@ATuileries-153-1-13-190.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:36:53 alaricsp, none at all 16:37:08 Ah well ;-) 16:37:22 not any I know about, at least 16:37:38 Go back far enough, and we're all related 16:38:09 -!- eno_ is now known as eno 16:38:25 -!- mmc [n=mima@esprx02x.nokia.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 16:38:38 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-59166837432855ca] has joined #scheme 16:38:38 peter_12 [n=peter_12@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 16:41:08 -!- gnomon_ is now known as gnomon 16:42:16 -!- npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has quit [Success] 16:44:39 foof: are you still planning a new chibi release this week? 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17:23:03 HG`` [n=wells@xdslhl127.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 17:29:45 saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-74-28.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 17:31:41 -!- HG` [n=wells@xdslfw187.osnanet.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:35:18 -!- sampointon [n=sampoint@79-72-252-173.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [] 17:36:55 Is there a place I can read about the *pragmatics* of Scheme48's module system? 17:37:20 I can learn the syntax, but that won't help me use it correctly/not fight it. 17:45:10 -!- Haiku [n=Haiku@113.Red-83-57-137.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #scheme 17:45:36 TimMc: simply googling "scheme48 module system" turns up... http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.47.6207 but it may be too old. there was also Riastradh's s48-refman but he pulled it down. community.schemewiki.org is first hit... 17:46:39 -!- jlongster [n=user@c-68-59-187-95.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:51:14 *sladegen* hmmms http://chicken.wiki.br/eggref/4/s48-modules 17:51:32 is Riastradh a scheme48 developer or a scheme48 user? 17:51:56 it is best not to speculate on the true nature of Riastradh 17:52:26 he used to be heavy user/hacker of scheme48. slime48 is his stillborn. 17:57:20 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 17:59:26 -!- dzhus [n=sphinx@95.24.126.4] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:30:02 ccl-logbot [n=ccl-logb@master.clozure.com] has joined #scheme 18:30:03 18:30:03 -!- names: ccl-logbot npe dysinger copumpkin moghar ejs0 melgray CaptainMorgan wingo MichaelRaskin saccade_ HG`` Elly ASau peter_12_ Poeir synthase cracki mrsolo drdo jao sreeram gnomon dysinger_ IceD^ dudleyf eno tabe jewel athos Lectus ikaros kilimanjaro bombshelter13_ langmartin leppie Edico rmorris soupdragon borism RageOfThou Nshag foof alaricsp hkBst Axioplase_ fishey Arelius tarbo joast sladegen araujo nasloc__ tjafk1 marcoecc CSdread_ luz elias` 18:30:03 -!- names: curtisw antoszka X-Scale dmoerner puchacz saccade Lemonator m811 metasyntax|work underspecified_ ecraven tltstc socialite elf metasyntax underspecified Deformative greg02 stepnem rdd Riastradh etoxam sphex_ r0bby REPLeffect hiyuh eli Adrinael Kusanagi Daemmerung mreggen michaelw pitui cky elmex Quadrescence Mr_Awesome TimMc bohanlon rudybot offby1 danking synx dfeuer Khisanth klutometis poucet lisppaste felipe mbishop ski_ ski__ heat hosh 18:30:03 -!- names: Archeron incubot minion Fade ineiros pbusser2 proq mornfall ada2358 ray qebab erg kandinski mmmulani Leonidas rbancroft glogic nicktastic tessier certainty bunz wastrel clog kazzmir roderic slashcom tizoc XTL maskd sjamaan specbot dlouhy zbigniew yosafbridge rotty guenthr ski Maddas @chandler Debolaz nemik z0d duncanm 18:30:05 benny99 [n=benny@p5486BE12.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:30:13 TimMc: check out http://tinyurl.com/n25ewu 18:30:32 also: http://www.scsh.net/docu/post/modules.html 18:30:43 TimMc: or just ask Olin in person 18:31:05 or read the source ;) 18:32:03 TimMc, oh, I missed your question. In there is a slightly less terse description of the module system. 18:37:38 Awesome, thanks everyone. 18:37:52 I think I'm on the right path now, comprehension-wise. 18:38:45 Once I think I understand it, I may write a blog post draft and run it by the channel for technical review. :-P 18:39:24 (Which reminds me, I need to finally post my "Emacs cheatsheet for people who haven't used Emacs" entry.) 18:40:58 benny99_ [n=benny@p5486BE12.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:42:49 TimMc: what're you hacking in scheme48 if you can say? 18:44:18 rmorris: Olin's been itching to write a directly-executable parser. 18:44:49 what's that mean exactly? 18:45:01 Another student and I are to write the actual code, while he comes up with optimizing tricks. :-P 18:45:15 *parser generator 18:45:20 ah 18:45:26 -!- dysinger_ [n=tim@71.20.231.3] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:45:55 So, most parsers that are generated by tools like bison or yacc use a lookup table to compare to the input stream. 18:45:55 ohh, ken's the other student? 18:46:04 Yup, ken. 18:46:56 So, it turns out you can trade size for speed by translating the lookup table into directly executable code. 18:47:24 The resulting parsers are a bit bigger but a lot faster, and compilers can do more optimization on them. 18:48:10 ok, cool 18:48:20 A previous student wrote a macro that takes a CFG "little language" and turns it into a lookup LALR parser, and the goal is to make an alternate generator that turns it all into scheme code. 18:50:18 -!- benny99 [n=benny@p5486BE12.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:08:58 mmc [n=mima@cs162149.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 19:12:23 -!- moghar [n=moghar@157.185.jawnet.pl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:13:44 -!- rdd [n=user@c83-250-157-93.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:15:37 moghar [n=moghar@157.185.jawnet.pl] has joined #scheme 19:17:42 -!- copumpkin [n=pumpkin@dhcp-210-105.cs.dartmouth.edu] has quit ["Leaving..."] 19:23:38 jlongster [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 19:28:36 -!- m811 [n=user@106.250.35.213.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [""If you put a million monkeys at a million keyboards, one of them will eventually write a Java program. 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This is the most common distribution method. 21:28:52 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:29:20 no no, I meant the "package" format itself 21:29:46 Isn't that the question that arcfide just answered..? 21:30:24 there is no package format 21:30:34 I know that 21:30:35 saccade_ [n=saccade@c-66-31-41-238.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:30:55 I'm asking if there is something that is generic, that can be used across multiple schemes, that is similar to snow 21:30:57 o_o 21:31:07 if you know "there is no package format" then why are you askinga 21:31:17 *chupish* face palms 21:31:34 *soupdragon* foot balms 21:31:36 I'm looking for a package format to use internally for a project here with multiple devs 21:31:51 multiple devs is easier tat multiple schemes 21:32:51 chupish, let's try from a different angle: what do you want this packaging format to accomplish? 21:33:22 what snow does; I'm asking if snow is the only one, how's that 21:35:18 What thing that Snow does do you want to duplicate? What prevents you from just using Snow, if you've otherwise defined it to be your win condition? 21:35:24 Haiku [n=Haiku@113.Red-83-57-137.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 21:35:52 I'm asking if anyone is aware of something *other than snow*, for reference purposes 21:36:10 There's PLaneT and chicken's egg system 21:36:12 there is nothing that "prevents [me] from just using Snow", I'm looking around, 'tis all 21:36:12 chupish: We can't tell you if there is anything other than Snow unless you give us a feature set for cross-reference. 21:36:14 If that's what you're asking 21:36:17 which are Scheme specific 21:36:22 yes 21:36:31 But you said you had multiple devs, not multiple schemes 21:36:38 chupish: Of course, is another approach to this problem, but it's still in Alpha. 21:36:46 chupish I'm asking if there is something that is generic, that can be used across multiple schemes, that is similar to snow 21:36:52 there is/was common scheme, but it's not that alive/complete as snow, i think. 21:36:54 was actually what I asked 21:37:03 chupish: However, you seem to be trying to share code between developers, which is usually done with SCM, rather than a package. 21:37:17 right 21:37:25 scm + makefiles, or something 21:37:50 night 21:38:05 rsync! 21:38:07 this has nothing to do with scm; I'm looking for a simple package format, that we can, even if it needs to be written, make "asdf-installable"-like, and what not 21:38:20 No, there is not, chupish. 21:38:47 thanks Riastradh :) 21:39:05 chupish: Generally one 'cp my-lib.ss /global/package/dir/'. 21:39:14 Done, installed. 21:39:32 ok, that's fine, but I don't care 21:39:38 *Riastradh* coughs. 21:39:47 *arcfide* gives chupish a confused look. 21:39:52 ? 21:40:09 I'm simply looking for a package system, if one doesn't exist it's not a big deal 21:40:17 Huh? 21:40:45 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@c-66-31-41-238.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:40:54 Folks, if you don't know of an answer to a question, supplying silly answers to imply that the questioner is confused is counter-productive. 21:41:35 *sladegen* stops himself from mentioning scmxlate, then. 21:41:53 Riastradh: I thought I knew what chupish was looking for, apparently, I am missing something. 21:42:05 At the very least you can acknowledge that you don't know of any implementation-agnostic way to organize Scheme programs. 21:42:26 I don't think chupish asked `how can I install my-lib.ss in /global/package/dir/?'. 21:42:44 Maybe he did telepathically when I wasn't listening to his thoughts, but it didn't seem to come into the channel. 21:43:11 Don't worry, next I'll beam the winning lotto numbers ;) 21:43:13 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@toronto-gw.adsl.erx01.mtlcnds.ext.distributel.net] has quit [] 21:43:29 *sjamaan* tunes his telepathic antenna 21:43:31 I thought he asked for a package system, which in my mind means a way to install and make available code and libraries for use in other programs. 21:43:33 Wouldn't wanna miss that! 21:43:40 *arcfide* shrugs. 21:43:45 no, it's ok, the question could be mis-understood easily enough 21:44:02 i say use .tgz. 21:44:14 RPM! 21:44:27 arcfide, I think we all jumped the step where we assumed "there's no easy answer to this question, so let's find out which specifics are necessary so we can suggest the next best thing". 21:44:29 conary! 21:44:34 I know I did, anyhow. 21:44:45 Now, perhaps my telepathy is just getting weak, but I thought he was asking for some formalized way to organize Scheme programs with multiple components in a way that multiple implementations can process in order, say, to load (and perhaps compile) the programs. 21:45:24 well, that was the intention, save for being poorly worded 21:45:48 the actual response was what gnomon described, and is understandable 21:46:16 Riastradh: methinks you powers of interpretation are ... um, better than mine. 21:47:31 Maybe `package' means something different to you, but to me, particularly as applied to Scheme, it means an organized group of related components. 21:49:39 still, nothing of value was lost; 21:49:44 Snow it is 21:50:10 To say that Snow can be used across multiple Schemes is a little misleading, though. 21:50:18 yes, very 21:50:30 initial tests show "no, it isn't" :) 21:51:09 Snow is a language of its own that happens to be runnable, i.e. happens to be able to use as its underlying execution engine, several different Scheme systems. 21:51:27 `happens to be runnable on', I mean. 21:52:48 that's fine; at least I won't be duplicating work that's solved (for R5RS at least) 21:53:33 Personally I develop code under Scheme48 in order to make it portable. 21:54:25 should other schemes adopt scheme48s module system? 21:54:27 I have not done this, but it would not be particularly difficult to write a program that slurps in Scheme48 configurations and spits out, say, PLT modules, for example. 21:55:11 I'm the only one who uses s48 though; there is a bit of PLT, some STKlos and some Gambit 21:55:25 possibly Chicken too, I didn't look at that end of the project 21:55:50 oh and Kawa -_- 21:56:13 In that case I imagine only your code is likely to be readily portable anyway. 21:56:29 Chicken has rudimentary support for scheme 48 modules 21:57:00 the PLT & STKlos stuff is a lost cause, since it's for GUI interaction, and Kawa is to pull data from some Java libs 21:57:30 -!- ejs0 [n=eugen@89-48-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:57:57 veritable schemenstein! 21:58:26 still, I'd like to look into making something that is "asdf" like, even if I had to do what Riastradh mentioned re S48 -> Misc 21:58:51 annodomini [n=lambda@130.189.179.215] has joined #scheme 21:59:29 Why? 21:59:36 well, at least it's all (relatively) R5RS compliant Scheme; Imagine Perl + Lua + XQuery + Java + C (which was my last company) 21:59:44 Sorry, let me ask first: What do you mean by `asdf-like'? 21:59:54 asdf-installable really 22:00:05 Oh, OK. 22:00:36 I wouldn't like to duplicate asdf, for obvious reasons :) 22:09:09 -!- drdo [n=psykon@62.169.113.101.rev.optimus.pt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:12:08 -!- arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-211-141.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:12:48 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-4-97.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 22:18:52 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-129-65.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:19:00 arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-211-141.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 22:22:30 peter_12 [n=peter_12@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 22:25:42 saccade_ [n=saccade@c-66-31-41-238.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:27:13 thanks for the responses everyone 22:27:19 g'night 22:27:22 -!- chupish [i=951c05ac@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b0abcd7f4884ad5b] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 22:29:08 -!- sreeram [n=sreeram@122.174.67.160] has quit [] 22:29:32 levy [n=levy@apn-89-223-178-50.vodafone.hu] has joined #scheme 22:29:36 levy_ [n=levy@apn-89-223-178-50.vodafone.hu] has joined #scheme 22:30:25 -!- levy [n=levy@apn-89-223-178-50.vodafone.hu] has quit [Client Quit] 22:30:25 -!- levy_ [n=levy@apn-89-223-178-50.vodafone.hu] has quit [Client Quit] 22:37:14 http://www.bartleby.com/271/59.html :) 22:38:41 Elly: just as i suspected; poets tend to write about youth in their crepuscle 22:38:57 ficke was in his fifties then, i believe 22:39:14 crepuscule* 22:39:20 it is a beautiful poem nonetheless 22:40:03 indeed; but why do you think youths lack that self-consciousness while young? 22:40:50 *Elly* is a youth and also unselfconscious :) 22:41:04 that's why i though you'd be an expert 22:41:37 Unfortunately I do not have a predisposition towards introspection, so I couldn't tell you 22:41:46 fascinating 22:42:05 but you're aware of that limitation; like kant was aware of the boundaries of human cognition 22:42:15 without necessarily being able to penetrate it 22:42:23 ding an sich, as it were 22:43:47 -!- synthase [n=synthase@adsl-220-171-254.mob.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:44:54 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@c-66-31-41-238.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:45:17 I am a youth writing python, no less :( 22:45:43 I wish I understood why python is popular 22:45:49 it's so weird 22:45:55 yeah; but python is a necessary disease 22:46:08 incubot: python is to the aughts what herpes was to the seventies 22:46:12 his pad has herpes 22:46:19 exactly 22:46:20 aughts!!! 22:46:21 Finally 22:46:29 heh 22:46:38 Ppjet6 [n=ppjet@delroth.doesntexist.org] has joined #scheme 22:47:03 I've spent the whole decade looking for that word 22:47:17 soupdragon: shit, you better use it while you can; c. six months left 22:47:23 then it's the fucking teens 22:48:06 Plenty of time left if you're a historian, though :) 22:48:27 sjamaan: ah, good point; but we should probably forget this decade of van rossum despotism and unnecessary wars 22:48:49 Time for McCarthyism 22:48:54 *sjamaan* glances around nervously 22:50:10 sjamaan: who are the communists, though? 22:50:29 Hm, good question 22:50:47 *gnomon* points at the GPLv3 crowd 22:50:50 Maybe Java and their "every developer is replaceable" ideology? 22:50:56 *gnomon* runs before the flames consume us all 22:51:26 *Elly* conceals herself among the schemers 22:54:15 i always thought van neumann was the original heretic 22:54:35 He's one of the good guys! 22:54:37 code = data 22:55:20 GreyLensman [n=ray@c-76-109-2-157.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:55:22 dsmith [n=dsmith@cpe-173-88-196-177.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:55:41 sjamaan: http://www.stanford.edu/class/cs242/readings/backus.pdf 22:55:53 "can programming be liberated from the van neumann style?" 22:56:36 i thought backus was suggesting that von neumann ushered in the anti-church/lambda imperative style 22:56:45 ic 22:57:05 and the answer is no :P 22:57:19 "the close coupling of semantics to state transitions", i.e. mutation 22:58:16 that's supposedly the hallmark of von neumann style 22:58:49 -!- GreyLensman [n=ray@c-76-109-2-157.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:00:24 s/van/von/g supra, btw 23:01:35 *klutometis* may be fine with mccarythism against the von neumannites, including pythonistas and java serfs 23:01:48 :P 23:02:41 although they, too, probably have their place in the circle of life; as prey and parasites ;) 23:04:02 -!- proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:05:06 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@217.205.201.45] has quit ["Leaving."] 23:09:22 Lectus [n=Frederic@189.105.10.45] has joined #scheme 23:12:33 -!- moghar [n=moghar@unaffiliated/moghar] has left #scheme 23:13:16 -!- ikaros [n=ikaros@78.52.72.253] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:16:36 proq [n=user@38.100.211.40] has joined #scheme 23:17:22 melgray_ [n=melgray@70.99.250.82] has joined #scheme 23:18:37 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 23:28:38 -!- dsmith [n=dsmith@cpe-173-88-196-177.neo.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:29:25 the communists are microsoft 23:30:48 it is an Orwellian nightmare , they want to become the big brother 23:31:50 -!- melgray [n=melgray@70.99.250.82] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:36:17 *sladegen* thought microsoft was nsdap. 23:39:32 http://wb-wtf-lol.com/Our%20Models_files/Bill_Gates_Nazi.gif 23:39:34 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:39:50 lowlycoder [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has joined #scheme 23:41:57 -!- peter_12 [n=peter_12@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:44:58 that makes me remember http://www.gribbitonline.com/images/Obama%20Youth.jpg 23:45:28 -!- lowlycoder [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has quit ["leaving"] 23:45:45 bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 23:46:20 -!- HG`` [n=wells@xdslhl127.osnanet.de] has quit [Client Quit] 23:47:29 patchwork [n=user@ip227.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com] has joined #scheme 23:48:02 I have a c-function that is demanding a float... how do I convert from an int to a float? 23:48:52 Or rather, force a value to be a float? 23:49:23 (it is the return of (sin 0), which I assumed would be a float, but returns the integer 0) 23:49:55 sladegen: nsdap ? 23:50:21 Seems like it would be a simple thing to do, but I can't find anything on it 23:50:49 mariorz [n=mariorz@li10-58.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 23:53:35 lowlycoder [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has joined #scheme 23:58:01 raikov [i=cbb5f30b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f0e882694fef0c77] has joined #scheme 23:59:33 george_: what klutometis pasted... 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