00:02:18 arcfide: I know. I'm working on it. It's difficult for me, however. I think with images. Also, I was born in Bosnia, perhaps I am partially a Neanderthal... 00:02:31 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-74-28.dyn.mit.edu] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 00:02:32 Heh. 00:03:08 Hrm, how does one cite the R4RS standard? Surely not all of those people listed there are authors? 00:03:40 arcfide: It could also be the fact that I am constantly switching between Serbo-croatian and English, in addition to constantly being surrounded by people who think C is just a letter of the alphabet and Scheme is just another word for "plan" 00:05:46 arcfide: Thanks for the input, though. I will look at parser-generators now that I know that this is what what the things I was thinking of are called. 00:05:55 -what 00:14:00 -!- CSdread_ [n=danielf@209-188-116-183.taosnet.com] has quit [] 00:15:35 CSdread_ [n=danielf@209-188-116-183.taosnet.com] has joined #scheme 00:20:39 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs141012.pp.htv.fi] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:22:11 -!- ice_man` [n=user@CPE000d6074b550-CM001a66704e52.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #scheme 00:25:19 bombshelter13__ [n=bombshel@209-161-236-91.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 00:25:43 arcfide: Just cite the editors. 00:34:30 arcfide: isn't that why they create ``et al.''? 00:37:19 created* 00:49:02 pumpkin [n=pumpkin@Aeropuerto.Kiewit.Dartmouth.EDU] has joined #scheme 00:49:23 mmm, any way to launch a PLT game standalone, without the game browser that comes with it? 00:54:18 raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has joined #scheme 00:58:00 -!- pumpkin [n=pumpkin@Aeropuerto.Kiewit.Dartmouth.EDU] has quit [] 00:58:05 -!- kniu [n=kniu@pool-71-107-56-85.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:58:19 pumpkin [n=pumpkin@Aeropuerto.Kiewit.Dartmouth.EDU] has joined #scheme 00:58:45 -!- ssttss [n=sissy@173-19-7-99.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:00:23 cel: The games have a uniform way to start them up, but you need to know how to do that. It would probably be easy to add some command-line flag, if you really wanted that. 01:00:43 i looked at the game browser 01:00:53 just cheated copying another game already implemented 01:01:00 changed the name and it appears on the browser 01:01:17 but i would like to run it standalone, without the browser 01:01:38 anyway, first i have to do the game itself :) 01:02:12 wich seems quite complex by looking at the games already there 01:06:51 cel: What's your goal -- to make a game, or to run one of the existing games from the command line? 01:06:52 ssttss [i=stepnem@173-19-7-99.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 01:07:01 to make a game 01:07:11 but it's easier if i can run it from Vim 01:07:26 no problem anyway just a little tedious 01:07:49 in the meantime i still have to read everything about the cards library 01:08:20 -!- aack [n=user@a83-161-214-179.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:08:21 karlw [n=karl@adsl-99-157-202-142.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:08:40 -!- karlw [n=karl@adsl-99-157-202-142.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has left #scheme 01:09:29 cel: In this case, modifying one of the games so it will run from the command line (when passed to mred) is very easy. 01:10:54 karlw` [n=karl@adsl-99-157-202-134.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:11:35 kniu [n=kniu@pool-71-107-56-85.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 01:12:07 :) 01:12:09 -!- karlw` [n=karl@adsl-99-157-202-134.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:12:31 is there a tutorial on how to simply display a window, add a cards deck, such basic things? 01:12:40 karlw` [n=karl@adsl-99-157-202-142.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:12:55 or is it better to read through the games source and take hints from them? 01:13:19 No, but there are manuals for the gui library and for the cards library. 01:13:31 fair enough 01:13:45 -!- karlw` [n=karl@adsl-99-157-202-142.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:14:12 And reading sources of existing games might not always be a good idea, since some of that code is ancient. (i.e., runs on the compatibility version to the old-old class system.) 01:15:07 i was thinking on somehow reading "spider" source 01:15:19 is the more similar game to the one i would like to make 01:15:26 (a tri towers solitaire) 01:19:41 -!- tttsssttt [n=pussycat@topol.nat.praha12.net] has quit [No route to host] 01:20:07 tttsssttt [n=pussycat@topol.nat.praha12.net] has joined #scheme 01:21:28 gladiator_ [n=gladiato@203.81.197.196] has joined #scheme 01:22:35 cel: That one looks reasonable. 01:23:36 -!- gladiator [n=gladiato@203.81.197.196] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:24:05 annodomini [n=lambda@64.30.3.122] has joined #scheme 01:24:06 looks simpler than a lot of the others too 01:24:07 :) 01:25:07 -!- raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:26:14 -!- sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-129-98.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:27:02 karlw` [n=karl@adsl-99-157-202-134.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:28:20 -!- karlw` [n=karl@adsl-99-157-202-134.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:28:24 davidad [n=me@NORTHWEST-THIRTYFIVE-TWO-THIRTY-ONE.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 01:28:52 -!- davidad [n=me@NORTHWEST-THIRTYFIVE-TWO-THIRTY-ONE.MIT.EDU] has left #scheme 01:29:31 raikov [i=cbb5f30b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-978e21a57bdb9a5a] has joined #scheme 01:29:37 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 01:33:34 karlw` [n=karl@adsl-99-157-202-142.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:33:54 -!- karlw` [n=karl@adsl-99-157-202-142.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:40:47 karlw [n=karl@adsl-99-157-202-134.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:41:16 Does scribble have an info backend? 01:41:55 I prefer reading documentation in Emacs. 01:43:11 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:48:32 -!- tttsssttt [n=pussycat@topol.nat.praha12.net] has quit [No route to host] 01:49:25 -!- karlw [n=karl@adsl-99-157-202-134.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has left #scheme 01:50:01 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 01:55:03 -!- stepnem [n=versme@topol.nat.praha12.net] has quit [No route to host] 01:55:44 stepnem [n=versme@topol.nat.praha12.net] has joined #scheme 01:58:50 -!- arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-209-101.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:13:30 tttsssttt [n=pussycat@topol.nat.praha12.net] has joined #scheme 02:19:24 gladiator__ [n=gladiato@203.81.197.196] has joined #scheme 02:21:33 -!- gladiator_ [n=gladiato@203.81.197.196] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:24:35 echo-area [n=user@nat/yahoo/x-9d0c0c15ee50746c] has joined #scheme 02:29:26 lowlycoder [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has joined #scheme 02:29:28 saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 02:30:33 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:30:51 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Client Quit] 02:41:25 -!- Axioplase_ is now known as Axioplase 02:49:49 jcowan [n=jcowan@cpe-74-68-154-18.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:50:23 *jcowan* unvanishes. 02:52:45 lowlycod1r [n=x@DNab438912.Stanford.EDU] has joined #scheme 02:54:33 -!- gladiator__ [n=gladiato@203.81.197.196] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:55:00 AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable087.62-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 02:59:42 Mr_Awesome [n=eric@pool-98-115-38-45.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 03:03:08 -!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Want lisppaste in your channel? 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(display "\n"))) 04:00:35 i only use define-macro :-) 04:00:38 even though I use scheme 04:00:47 I don't know but... 04:00:54 I don't think you should use define-macro... 04:01:02 because it's not hygeinic? 04:01:03 Isn't it non-hygenic? 04:01:06 -!- stepnem [n=versme@topol.nat.praha12.net] has quit [No route to host] 04:01:09 it's so much more elegant though 04:01:34 I don't follow... 04:01:46 -!- tttssstt` [n=pussycat@topol.nat.praha12.net] has quit [No route to host] 04:01:47 hygenic macros are extremely important. 04:02:00 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:02:07 define-macro :: define-syntax = pointers :: refs 04:02:17 define-macro :: define-syntax = c pointers :: java references 04:02:28 I don't think that's a fair comparison. 04:02:39 C pointers don't break code. 04:02:46 they only cause seg faults 04:03:05 Right. 04:03:50 define-macro is more like assigning data to a function pointer cast as a char* array. 04:04:03 that sounds so much more powerful 04:04:15 i wrote some x86 code that way 04:04:22 just to see if i could add two numbers 04:04:24 very painful 04:11:45 You'll have to talk to someone who knows better than me. I like my programs to be well defined though, and readable. 04:15:03 outchanter [n=hrun@c-98-207-114-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:16:12 -!- luz [n=davids@189.122.121.232] has quit ["Client exiting"] 04:18:45 A much more accurate analogy is 04:18:46 CPP :: define-macro = define-macro :: define-syntax 04:19:39 good one eli... 04:21:53 s/define-syntax/hygienic macros/1 04:23:46 sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-30-16.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 04:42:36 jlongster [n=user@68.59.187.95] has joined #scheme 04:45:12 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has joined #scheme 04:46:23 tttsssttt [n=pussycat@topol.nat.praha12.net] has joined #scheme 04:47:11 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has left #scheme 04:47:23 -!- fishey [n=fisheyss@ool-4573344b.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:47:29 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has joined #scheme 04:49:54 fishey [n=fisheyss@ool-4573344b.dyn.optonline.net] has joined 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14:55:34 certainly on the int*/char* thing .. you're guaranteed to be able to convert a pointer to a "less strictly aligned" type and back withlout loss 14:56:22 incubot: signed int is evil. 14:56:25 just edit stuff though. 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It has nothing to do with the scope of the language proper, which is still as lexical as always. 19:00:16 Am I the only one that finds the continued abuse of incubot uninteresting? 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guarantee it 20:09:17 Generally that is quite undesirable. 20:10:01 indeed 20:13:19 What are you having trouble guaranteeing? 20:15:08 Riastradh: my interpreted scheme has "transparent" continuations, where you can introspect the code-to-be-executed; when compiled, the continuations are opaque 20:15:31 What precisely do `transparent' and `opaque' mean here? 20:15:55 Introspectable, viewable. 20:16:07 `Precisely', not `generally' or `vaguely'. 20:16:34 npe [n=npe@d54C450C4.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 20:17:01 The interpreted continuation has a sexp associated with it which corresponds to the to-be-EVALed code. 20:17:32 And what would a program other than a debugger do with this? 20:17:44 Possibly modify it? 20:17:53 *Riastradh* blinks. 20:18:02 What legitimate use might a program have for such an operation? 20:18:25 None that I can think of; which is why I didn't consider it to be a pathological difference between interpreted and compiled semantics. 20:22:45 mmc 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out)] 23:09:51 tjafk1 [n=timj@e176211224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 23:10:30 garyfromtheparty [n=b00t@190.75.202.80] has joined #scheme 23:10:38 Hi, I haz Scheme 23:10:48 O HAI 23:11:17 A n33d som3 halp 23:11:21 PLOX! 23:11:34 wut halp u need 23:12:19 QUAD-DAMAGE 23:12:56 I haz the quakez. IMA PLAYIN DIS GEIMA 23:14:38 u has scheme queston or not 23:15:24 gnomon, Heh, actually no man, I was just chearin up this channel 23:15:33 and hasing some funzzlaaa 23:16:01 Ah, I see! Top drawer, sir, top drawer. Do carry on. 23:16:25 (and we're plenty cheerful! Look at what a jolly bunch we are!) 23:16:29 :). But now that you mention it, I would actually like to know (If you know), in what kind of programming Scheme comes handy? 23:16:32 *gnomon* points at the hour or so of dead air 23:16:38 I'm not a very skilled programmer 23:16:46 And only know some basic python 23:16:54 Why would I want to learn Scheme? 23:17:39 -!- melgray [n=melgray@70.99.250.82] has quit [brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:17:39 -!- inimino [n=inimino@atekomi.inimino.org] has quit [brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:17:39 -!- mornfall [n=mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has quit [brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:17:39 -!- sad0ur [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has quit [brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:17:39 -!- nasloc__ [i=tim@kalug.ks.edu.tw] has quit [brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:17:39 garyfromtheparty, what kind of programming..? I might answer experimental and interactive programming; someone else might answer programs about which one intends to then reason programmatically; yet another person might answer that Scheme makes it pleasant and easy to play with self-modifying programs. 23:17:50 proq: Nothing free. OS X's X11 is horribly broken and I can't get either Gimp or Xfig to work. 23:18:21 -!- etoxam [n=||||||||@84.79.67.254] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:18:22 OS X is a very expensive platform. What's another $60 for Pixelmator on top of that? 23:18:37 sad0ur [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has joined #scheme 23:18:39 You might want to learn Scheme if you were more interested in playing with concepts than with the mechanisms of a programming language: Scheme, as much as possible, tries to get out of the way of your problem solving, and gives you the tools with which to adapt it to your problem domain if you so wish. 23:19:01 mornfall [n=mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has joined #scheme 23:19:37 I bought the lowest-end white macbook on a student discount. That's actually cheaper than the equivalent hardware for a non-mac notebook. 23:20:05 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 23:20:24 I haven't paid for any other OS X software at all. I don't run much more than Emacs and Firefox. 23:20:40 annodomini [n=lambda@64.30.3.122] has joined #scheme 23:21:12 foof: there were some community builds of X11 last time I checked 23:21:18 gnomon, Cool, I get an idea of what you mean. I ask because I've been watching some programming clasess in the stanford university youtube channel, and the teacher says it will, later on, teach some Scheme, and I was just curious into in what way Scheme might be helpful :) 23:21:28 timchen119 [i=tim@kalug.ks.edu.tw] has joined #scheme 23:21:40 proq: I tried the macports OS X, that didn't work either. 23:21:43 gnomon, Which famous programs/apps/games that you know, use some Scheme code? 23:22:07 garyfromtheparty, Scheme is great for expanding your areas of expertise... and also for making you frustrated when you discover that other programming languages leave out features that in Scheme you can just assume to be there. 23:22:08 melgray [n=melgray@70.99.250.82] has joined #scheme 23:22:54 garyfromtheparty, there aren't a lot, to be honest. Many games, applications and programs embed cut-down or customized (read: bastardized) "scheme" systems, and unfortunately do a very poor job of representing the strengths of the language. 23:23:53 Mastoco`` [n=user@cs181131.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 23:24:15 gnomon, Umm ok, how lmuch experience do you have with Scheme? and which other languages you know? 23:24:22 Still, you may want to check out Abuse, from Crack.com (it doesn't use Scheme per se, but its game logic language is a lisp); snd, a very powerful and programmable audio editor which lets you use Guile as an extension language; and the GIMP, which offers a scheme-like extension language called Script-Fu. 23:24:35 foof: http://www.versiontracker.com/php/qs.php?mode=basic&action=search&str=image+editor&srchArea=macosx|macosx-all&submit=Go 23:24:38 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/p8pcas 23:25:20 Mr-Cat [n=Miranda@95-25-197-137.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 23:26:27 annodomini_ [n=lambda@129.170.131.186] has joined #scheme 23:27:27 proq: Is there a _free_ one that will let me draw decent diagrams? I'm tired of drawing presentation slides with hand-computed vectors in LaTex's picture mode. 23:27:51 annodomini__ [n=lambda@129.170.131.164] has joined #scheme 23:28:15 http://sketchup.google.com/ 23:28:23 -!- tjafk2 [n=timj@e176209255.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:28:33 foof: I hate to suggest a non-free option, but you might want to find out if you can get an academic license of iWork. 23:29:05 -!- felipe [n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has quit [Client Quit] 23:29:05 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has quit ["leaving"] 23:30:07 -!- bohanlon [n=bohanlon@TUBERIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:30:07 -!- bunz [n=bunz@unaffiliated/bunz] has quit [brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:30:07 -!- wastrel [n=wastrel@nylug/member/wastrel] has quit [brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:30:07 -!- Riastradh [n=rias@pool-141-154-245-43.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:30:11 bohanlon [n=bohanlon@TUBERIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 23:30:17 Riastradh [n=rias@pool-141-154-245-43.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:30:19 wastrel [n=wastrel@nylug/member/wastrel] has joined #scheme 23:30:58 bunz [n=bunz@unaffiliated/bunz] has joined #scheme 23:32:04 -!- annodomini_ [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:34:45 -!- Mastoco`` [n=user@cs181131.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:37:57 -!- Mastoco` [n=user@cs181131.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:39:45 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:41:01 -!- dfeuer [n=dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:45:41 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@92.36.145.162] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:48:56 -!- metasyntax [n=user@pool-71-127-125-129.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Switching client..."] 23:50:53 melgray_ [n=melgray@70.99.250.82] has joined #scheme 23:51:00 metasyntax [n=taylor@pool-71-127-125-129.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:54:00 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has left #scheme 23:58:37 -!- mejja [n=user@c-87bae555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:59:06 felipe [n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has joined #scheme 23:59:55 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme