00:05:34 borism [n=boris@195-50-197-155-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has joined #scheme 00:07:17 does the time feature in scheme have a way to report in smaller units than ms? 00:08:43 pchrist_ [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 00:12:17 -!- borism_ [n=boris@195-50-200-111-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 00:19:32 -!- saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 00:19:55 -!- orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFC8D1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Gone."] 00:19:58 -!- pchrist [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:21:18 doubt it 00:21:30 make your program work longer :-) 00:21:36 so that the ms resolution isn't a problem. 00:23:16 -!- maxigas [n=user@catv-80-99-185-35.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 00:27:23 Modius [n=Modius@adsl-68-92-150-226.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 00:37:30 davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 00:43:24 Lemonator [n=kniu@OVERLORD.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 00:44:18 -!- kniu [n=kniu@OVERLORD.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:45:10 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-68-92-150-226.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:02:34 -!- pumpkin_ [n=pumpkin@pat9.border1-cfw.dartmouth.edu] has quit ["Leaving..."] 01:02:49 incubot: do you love me? 01:02:52 I've been putting a little time into it, and I really like what I've seen so far. I'd love to hear what schemers of far greater ability than my own have to say about it, though. 01:03:47 *sigh* ok, good night! 01:04:37 Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-68-92-150-226.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 01:08:55 it's hard to get incubot to commit to _anything_ 01:10:05 Modius__ [n=Modius@adsl-68-92-150-226.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 01:11:16 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:12:10 pumpkin_ [n=pumpkin@Aeropuerto.Kiewit.Dartmouth.EDU] has joined #scheme 01:16:46 incubot: commit! 01:16:49 yes, and they have problems taking the code from the image to the filesystem to commit it to repositories to package it and share it. 01:16:55 svn dalek orders you to commit 01:17:27 Poeir [n=Poeir@c-98-222-133-165.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:17:37 Anyone know how you drop permissions in plt? 01:19:07 synx: well, you can use a sandbox 01:19:11 not sure what you mean, really 01:19:17 RageOfThou [n=RageOfTh@92.36.219.214] has joined #scheme 01:19:22 what sorts of permissions? 01:19:52 -!- Arelius [n=indy@64.174.9.113] has quit ["leaving"] 01:20:07 Arelius [n=indy@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 01:21:36 -!- Modius [n=Modius@adsl-68-92-150-226.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:21:55 geckosenator [n=sean@c-71-237-94-78.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:21:57 Modius [n=Modius@adsl-68-92-150-226.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 01:24:11 -!- Deformative [n=joe@71.238.45.45] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:27:15 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-68-92-150-226.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:27:41 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@92.36.194.219] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:31:39 saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 01:34:15 -!- saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Client Quit] 01:34:17 -!- sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-23.netcologne.de] has quit ["leaving"] 01:34:42 -!- Poeir_ [n=Poeir@c-98-222-133-165.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:35:55 saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 01:38:11 -!- Modius__ [n=Modius@adsl-68-92-150-226.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:50:25 Poeir_ [n=Poeir@c-98-222-133-165.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:50:52 -!- hadronzoo_ [n=hadronzo@adsl-70-234-252-144.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 01:52:31 -!- saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 01:53:38 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:54:45 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 01:55:30 -!- Poeir [n=Poeir@c-98-222-133-165.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:55:46 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-22.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:59:03 saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 01:59:30 slacks21 [n=ckuttruf@ip68-101-220-87.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #scheme 02:00:25 evening all. would someone mind explaining (or posting a link) about the differences between a list and a vector 02:00:42 is there a difference in efficiency ? 02:01:03 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@adsl-70-234-252-144.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:01:26 Did some searching, but didn't find much. Just kind of curious, cause the functionality seems to be similar 02:02:17 slacks21: http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-9.html#%_sec_6.3.6 02:02:19 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/dh7x33 02:02:23 -!- sako [i=424b4ee4@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6f0da20ab71a37bb] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 02:02:41 -!- saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Client Quit] 02:02:50 compare and contrast w/ 6.3.2 02:03:10 metasyntax: thanks 02:06:49 peregrin181 [n=jason@unknown.nebula.msoe.edu] has joined #scheme 02:11:58 sorry lame aside. scheme is cool. I've done some programming in C, java, perl, python. And I'm prepping for a class I'm taking on building an interpreter with scheme 02:12:08 really cool stuff. 02:12:41 just wondering, what intro/tutorial/documentation did you find most helpful starting out with scheme/functional programming in general? 02:14:09 http://www.paulgraham.com/rootsoflisp.html 02:14:42 MrDave [i=1805a43c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6652ce8d229924aa] has joined #scheme 02:14:44 oh nice... yeah, I just bought ANSI common lisp by graham. really enjoying it so far 02:14:54 thanks for the link... checking it out 02:24:24 -!- bzzbzz [n=franco@modemcable140.105-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["leaving"] 02:27:31 -!- slacks21 [n=ckuttruf@ip68-101-220-87.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:27:55 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 02:28:41 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-22.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:42:06 Any Boston denizens have tips for a Japanese tourist? 02:47:35 jcowan [n=jcowan@cpe-74-68-154-18.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:48:06 Yes -- find some more interesting place... 02:48:26 Well... 02:48:38 It's a conference, she's stuck with Boston. 02:49:12 Attend a Sox game and root loudly for the other team. 02:49:14 Ah, if it's a she, then there's newburry st, which is full of expensive clothes. 02:49:29 didn't someone say Boston is the intellectual capital of the US? 02:49:30 *jcowan* rolls his eyes 02:49:41 capitol, even 02:50:01 No, capital, inimino. 02:50:04 -!- pumpkin_ is now known as copumpkin 02:50:22 inimino: When I got in, the number that someone said during some boring orientation session was that there are ~150 universities here. 02:50:34 foof: Architecture and such? 02:50:37 capital 02:51:18 cleary my fingers have better English than my brain 02:51:22 erm... 02:51:27 "clearly" 02:51:36 *inimino* gives up 02:51:39 tjafk1 [n=timj@e176214236.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:52:36 "Capitol" refers only to the citadel on the Capitoline Hill in ancient Rome, or the building which holds Congress or a U.S. state legislature. 02:52:44 Otherwise it's "capital". 02:52:49 foof: I've been to the New England Aquarium there, it was cool: http://www.neaq.org/index.php 02:53:19 *inimino* wonders if it's too late to hastily quaff a couple shots and claim intoxication 02:53:29 jcowan: That's not how I read it in a dictionary. 02:53:35 Oh? 02:53:52 Only in the middle of the week. On weekends it's a mess of children. 02:53:53 eli: It's a dental medicine conference of some sort. 02:54:19 foof: I meant is she the type that enjoys architecture? 02:54:25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol 02:54:56 Sure, if the architecture is worth seeing :) 02:55:07 *jcowan* notes that "Capitol" is also applied to certain other legislatures. 02:55:18 Wikipedia seems to agree 02:55:20 or rather the buildings 02:55:42 jcowan: But apparently, said dictionary/book doesn't agree with the dictionary I currently prefer for authoritative information, and thus, I have to agree with you, with the additional comment that it could also refer to State Houses of certain states. 02:55:43 I've only ever been to MIT. 02:55:44 yes. 02:55:54 foof: Well, in that case there's the Stata center -- personally I find it horrible given the atrocious amount of money spent on making it, but tourists just love it. 02:56:12 I did say "or a state legislature" to which I can now add "or certain national or municipal legislatures" as well. 02:56:39 foof: But downtown Boston is fine to for getting a nice view of "some old stuff". 02:56:45 s/to/too/ 02:56:46 jcowan: Sorry, I read that as U.S. State Representatives, instead of something else. 02:56:54 Ah. I checked 4 dictionaries 02:57:11 (OED, NID3, MWC11, AHD4) 02:57:16 Yeah, I think the historic areas may be more interesting. 02:57:18 this is my kind of channel 02:57:19 Yes, I think the book I read must have been an errant grammar book of some kind. 02:57:42 foof: Oh, I know -- there's the science museum which is pretty nice, and less full of children. 02:57:55 My personal favorite is the 1828 Webster's on the American Language (doesn't call it English). 02:58:01 Right. 02:58:22 Bah! Sorry, it does. :-( Heheh....forgive me, I've been doing homework. 02:58:30 foof: And then there's Harvard that is more, um, tasteful than MIT if the goal is to enjoy yourself rather than be impressed by the kind of stuff that MIT impresses people. 02:58:34 "American Dictionary of the English Language" 02:59:02 -!- mbishop [n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:59:08 The 2009 Scheme Workshop is in Cambridge, MA this year, no? 02:59:15 Oh, I didn't go to MIT to be impressed, I went to beat the stuffing out of their chess team. 02:59:23 Indeed, the OED quotes Webster (doesn't say which edition) to supply this American sense of the word. 02:59:26 foof, did you? 02:59:32 What, singlehanded? 02:59:50 Of course. My team was #1 in the country :) 02:59:54 foof: Well, I'm talking about the common reason to seeing MIT, which tends to be different than that of Harvard. 03:00:12 "In its March 2006 issue, Bicycling magazine named Boston as one of the worst cities in the U.S. for cycling." 03:00:26 jcowan: Yes, I don't like the modern dictionaries much, because their definitions aren't nearly so nice regarding connotation and tradition, but sometimes 1828 didn't have some of the words we have today. :-) Fortunately, Capitol was in use at the time. 03:01:09 foof: That is *definitely* true -- drivers here are probably the worst I've ever seen. It's even worse than in Israel. 03:01:31 So, if my relative who went to Harvard is any authority, he would say, "Go to Harvard to see yuppies and old money, go to MIT to see lot's o' varieties of the Geek." 03:02:23 That's a good summary. 03:02:28 Then again, 1828 defines a lot of words that modern dicts don't have (and maybe nobody ever used, either) 03:02:40 *eli* can't really think of anything else. 03:02:43 I haven't seen a decent city yet for bicycles 03:02:52 geckosenator: Amsterdam 03:02:55 Portland is supposed to be good. 03:03:11 What about places to eat in Boston? 03:03:17 *jcowan* went to CCNY, the college where you go to see people kept out of other colleges for reasons of ancestry. 03:03:41 foof: Food is pretty good, I think. 03:03:41 jcowan: are there more surface area of bike roads than car roads? 03:04:11 jcowan: That's one of the fun things. :-) I can use some really cool words on occassion and point to a dictionary saying they really exist. Either that, or sometimes, when I want to play games, I can play on the nuances of words that have been lost over the years and make people really upset at me. 03:04:16 foof: But not late -- things close up early -- at around 9 it becomes almost impossible to find a place. 03:04:22 water bikes perhaps... 03:04:50 Wow... no late-night diners? 03:05:05 Late night means mostly pizza. 03:05:07 Or are you just talking about real food? 03:05:15 I've personally always wanted to try the clichéd horseback ride along the coasts of Ireland or Scotland. 03:05:45 foof: Restaurants close early, junk-food places stay open a little later. 03:05:49 geckosenator: Maybe not surface area, but bike paths don't need to be as wide as streets, either. 03:06:04 400 km of bike paths is no small matter. 03:06:18 how many people live there though? 03:06:34 my town has 100 miles of bike paths 03:06:45 730K persons, 600K bicycles. 03:06:58 40-45% of all vehicular trips are by bike 03:07:05 foof: You'd probably be better pinging/emailing Riastradh. 03:07:17 100,000 people 03:07:21 -!- tjafk2 [n=timj@e176221237.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:07:46 well there are far more miles of bike path per person here then 03:08:21 but maybe they use the paths more 03:08:45 .87 bicycle trips per person per day 03:08:59 yeah, maybe they are more utilized which is nice 03:09:14 but also causes traffic jams for bikes 03:09:17 And only .84 car trips per person/day 03:09:46 30% of all commuters always bike to work, another 40% sometimes do 03:09:58 I always did, but now I don't go to work 03:10:04 The Dutch still think of WWII as "when the Germans invaded the country and stole all the bicycles" 03:10:22 Those bastards! 03:10:57 http://zompist.com/dutchcult.html 03:11:27 World War II was the biggest thing that happened to your country in the 20th century. Your poor, neutral country was quickly overrun by the Nazis, who behaved badly, deported the Jews and stole all the bicycles. It was a time when the country came together and did what was right, except for some collaborators who are still shunned. You were liberated by the Canadians. The war showed that neutrality didn't work, so now you depend on NATO f 03:11:27 or your security. Anybody born before 1940 may be asked whether he or she was 'right' or 'wrong' during the occupation. If you were 'wrong' (i.e. a Nazi collaborator), chances for a political career are zero. 03:12:05 and then late 03:12:07 later 03:12:09 Germany and the Germans are overbearing neighbors. You get along well with them, but Germans are known to be arrogant, which you are always alert to point out them. The war is not forgotten, and most people have elderly family members who were killed, deported or otherwise mistreated by the Nazis. Germany never returned the bicycles it stole, either. Even the most politically correct can make jokes or disparaging remarks about Germans and 03:12:09 get away with it. Your greatest dream is beating Germans in the World Cup finals. 03:12:16 I still am looking for the place with for surface area of bike paths 03:22:04 -!- jcowan [n=jcowan@cpe-74-68-154-18.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit ["Bailing out"] 03:22:17 -!- mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:26:02 -!- ventonegro [n=alex@189.62.112.115] has quit [] 03:33:49 meh... this scheme stuff is just eating so much memory 03:34:18 all my current ideas involve having like 7 processes, and when you have 3 of those going at once... 03:34:49 I mean plus firefox and other memory eaters. It just crawls when paging all that memory in and out. 03:37:44 cads [n=max@c-76-122-89-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:39:56 normally you can change the algorithm to reduce memory 03:40:03 or trade memory for execution time 03:40:16 it would be nice if the scheme program could do that automatically if you run low on ram 03:40:32 or even have an operating system level garbage collector 03:41:57 saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 03:43:32 wow, http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/68bf9c5bae807545?hl=en is kind of obnoxious 03:43:33 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/d8kskz 03:44:30 I don't know what's wrong with my algorithms really... probably just trying to do too much at once. 03:46:30 Jebdm [n=jeb@d91h157.public.simons-rock.edu] has joined #scheme 03:47:15 -!- Jebdm [n=jeb@d91h157.public.simons-rock.edu] has left #scheme 03:48:05 -!- bsmntbombdood_ 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I want to convert that function into a list. Is that possible? 12:23:42 xwl [n=user@114.245.138.4] has joined #scheme 12:26:03 louzer: no, function and lists are completely separate 12:26:26 ok :( 12:26:45 i thought everything was a list in scheme 12:26:45 louzer: how would you convert (lambda (x) (+ x 1)) into a list?? what would you like as the result? 12:27:45 ecraven, i want the result of car-ing that function to be + or something 12:28:35 when i evaluated my function i got the result as # 12:28:44 louzer: what about (car cos)? 12:28:46 i want to see whats inside the # 12:28:48 so you want '(+ x 1) as the result? 12:29:06 ecraven, yes 12:29:13 some scheme implementations let you look at the defining forms of a function 12:29:18 hkBst, cos? 12:29:25 ecraven, yeah i want that 12:29:33 louzer: cosine 12:29:35 what scheme are you using? 12:29:40 plt 12:30:05 hkBst, yes if i to (car cos) i want to get the first atom of the defining form of cos 12:30:12 s#to#do# 12:30:28 louzer: ok, what about (car call/cc) then? 12:31:03 hkBst, same it should give the first atom of the definition of call with cc 12:31:39 i dont care if the first atom is lambda.. but somewhere within the list must be the procedure definition 12:32:04 so that i can recurse until that element and print it out 12:32:09 louzer: there is a good chance it is a built-in function and thus has no definition in Scheme 12:33:08 hkBst, yes but some schemes are written in scheme. they would have for example: (define car (lambda (lst) (car lst))) and 12:33:30 the scheme compiler used to make the scheme interpreter would 12:33:39 change the inner (car lst) into machine code 12:36:29 higepon850 [n=taro@FLH1Amf115.tky.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 12:38:53 hmm i think i got it. the solution to my problem has something to do with (quote-syntax x) 12:40:06 what's your problem? 12:40:56 ecraven, i ran a function and got a function. i want to see the source code of the function i got as a result.. 12:41:06 as a list 12:42:26 there should be some way to do this in PLT, but i don't use it, anyone else? lots of PLTers here normally 12:42:36 instead of seeing an internal representation id like # 12:42:53 i usually ask eli, he is a plt developer 12:43:02 but i guess he is sleeping or busy 12:47:19 foof, I have received your email and shall act on it later today if I don't forget. 12:47:59 -!- darth_chatri [n=darth@203.129.224.178] has quit [Excess Flood] 12:48:22 darth_chatri [n=darth@203.129.224.178] has joined #scheme 12:50:05 raikov [n=igr@60.32.127.43] has joined #scheme 12:51:37 foof, also, I may be able to give a more helpful answer if you add some constraints to the query, such as concerning price, ethnicity, and intended meals. 12:52:43 -!- ejs [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 12:59:32 alaricsp [n=alaricsp@88-202-197-217.rdns.as8401.net] has joined #scheme 13:02:59 -!- cracki [n=cracki@47-211.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:14:40 ct2rips [n=ct2rips@blfd-4db0e9ca.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #scheme 13:16:50 Riastradh: details added 13:18:26 annodomini [n=lambda@75.69.96.104] has joined #scheme 13:19:54 FunkyDrummer [n=RageOfTh@92.36.136.34] has joined #scheme 13:21:24 sphex [n=nobody@modemcable185.138-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 13:22:14 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Client Quit] 13:29:00 luz [n=davids@189.122.121.232] has joined #scheme 13:32:30 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 13:36:43 -!- sphex_ [n=nobody@modemcable185.138-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:37:42 -!- RageOfThou [n=RageOfTh@92.36.219.214] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:43:12 -!- geckosenator [n=sean@c-71-237-94-78.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:44:19 annodomini [n=lambda@64.30.3.122] has joined #scheme 13:46:07 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Client Quit] 13:46:47 -!- darth_chatri [n=darth@203.129.224.178] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:47:02 darth_chatri [n=darth@202.71.143.214] has joined #scheme 13:47:57 annodomini [n=lambda@64.30.3.122] has joined #scheme 13:54:13 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 14:08:08 -!- raikov [n=igr@60.32.127.43] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:10:12 dlt__ [n=dlt@201.80.181.75] has joined #scheme 14:14:30 -!- dlt_ [n=dlt@201.57.58.146] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:19:48 -!- darth_chatri [n=darth@202.71.143.214] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:20:15 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 14:22:17 amazon10x [i=amazon10@85.8.24.245] has joined #scheme 14:23:38 sepult_ [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-121-172.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 14:24:19 -!- sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-100-248.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:36:09 -!- xwl [n=user@114.245.138.4] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:36:48 annodomini [n=lambda@130.189.179.215] has joined #scheme 14:36:54 -!- ffx` [n=ffx@60-241-74-240.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:36:59 xwl [n=user@114.245.138.4] has joined #scheme 14:46:46 jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 14:58:05 ffx` [n=ffx@60-241-74-240.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #scheme 15:04:48 -!- ffx` [n=ffx@60-241-74-240.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:08:08 -!- sepult_ [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-121-172.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 15:10:28 sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-121-172.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 15:15:12 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 15:19:39 -!- higepon850 [n=taro@FLH1Amf115.tky.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 15:25:44 mm_freak [n=milch@2a01:198:2d4:0:dead:affe:dead:affe] has joined #scheme 15:27:30 hello there, people can you recommend a scheme compiler/interpreter for x86? 15:28:01 -!- synthase [n=synthase@68.63.19.212] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:28:15 synthase [n=synthase@68.63.19.212] has joined #scheme 15:32:46 mm_freak: there are many 15:32:55 lisppaste: url 15:32:55 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme and enter your paste. 15:33:18 mm_freak, google PLT Scheme 15:33:40 well, one is more robust and performs better than the other and for most languages there is something like a common favorite 15:33:43 -!- xwl [n=user@114.245.138.4] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:34:38 mm_freak, SBCL is a common lisp as fast as C++ with garbage collection. But it is not Scheme, so it is not minimalistic like scheme 15:34:52 hkBst pasted "make-next-coords.scm" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/79296 15:35:10 Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has joined #scheme 15:35:27 as far as i've seem, scheme appeared to be cleaner to me, that's why i'm trying to learn it instead of clisp 15:35:57 mm_freak, well in that case try PLT Scheme. I believe a lot of people in this chat room as PLT schemers 15:36:27 mm_freak, even some developers of PLT hang around here 15:36:38 mm_freak, so it will be easier to ask questions 15:36:41 mm_freak: I don't think anyone took a vote for a favorite in the scheme community 15:37:08 ok, thank you 15:37:42 is there someone that could help me with that macro error that I pasted? 15:38:19 -!- amazon10x [i=amazon10@85.8.24.245] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:39:17 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 15:49:53 amazon10x [i=amazon10@85.8.24.245.static.se.wasadata.net] has joined #scheme 15:53:24 -!- louzer [i=louzer@nusnet-193-143.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:55:52 -!- Judofyr [n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:56:00 -!- jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:57:39 jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 15:58:58 bweaver [n=user@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 15:59:12 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:59:21 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 16:00:50 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 16:04:39 ventonegro [n=alex@189.100.197.99] has joined #scheme 16:06:12 Judofyr [n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #scheme 16:16:09 Nshag [n=shagoune@Mix-Orleans-106-2-11.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 16:18:01 -!- mm_freak [n=milch@2a01:198:2d4:0:dead:affe:dead:affe] has left #scheme 16:18:02 mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 16:22:08 dysinger [n=tim@64.139.9.115] has joined #scheme 16:23:13 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@88-202-197-217.rdns.as8401.net] has quit [] 16:30:12 -!- npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has quit [] 16:30:55 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:30:58 -!- jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:32:04 elfor [n=johanfre@85.8.2.11.static.se.wasadata.net] has joined #scheme 16:42:06 -!- mmc [n=mima@192.100.124.219] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:44:33 -!- jao [n=jao@74.Red-80-24-4.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:48:45 jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 16:50:07 -!- LobsterMan is now known as LobsterMan_AFK 17:06:17 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-183-106.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:09:05 barney [n=bernhard@84.154.17.94] has joined #scheme 17:36:18 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 17:36:32 -!- copumpkin [n=pumpkin@Aeropuerto.Kiewit.Dartmouth.EDU] has quit ["Leaving..."] 17:38:06 -!- jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:43:48 melgray [n=melgray@70.99.250.82] has joined #scheme 17:47:22 pumpkin_ [n=pumpkin@pat9.border1-cfw.dartmouth.edu] has joined #scheme 17:48:15 allotrope [n=jeff@c-67-161-219-3.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:48:30 -!- allotrope [n=jeff@c-67-161-219-3.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has left #scheme 17:51:15 -!- minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:53:05 -!- synthase [n=synthase@68.63.19.212] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:55:11 jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 17:57:03 -!- X-Scale [i=email@2001:470:1f08:b3d:0:0:0:2] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:58:23 -!- a-s` [n=user@92.80.90.15] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:59:12 a-s [n=user@92.80.90.15] has joined #scheme 17:59:46 -!- bohanlon [n=bohanlon@TUBERIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:59:50 bohanlon [n=bohanlon@TUBERIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 18:00:51 incubot: Swine flu is a respiratory disease thought to spread through coughing and sneezing. 18:00:54 I was looking at the respiratory biochemical cycle - turning glucose into water to pump electrons around to make ATP. 18:03:24 -!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:04:42 -!- specbot [n=specbot@common-lisp.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:09:20 vixey [n=e@83.104.248.190] has joined #scheme 18:10:49 -!- z0d [n=z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit ["leaving"] 18:20:25 -!- AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable087.62-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["foobar"] 18:29:23 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-183-106.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 18:31:47 lowlycoder [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has joined #scheme 18:35:09 saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 18:39:51 -!- ct2rips [n=ct2rips@blfd-4db0e9ca.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit ["Noch da, noch da ... 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I need some help with my HTTP client. 19:00:57 It's losing pieces from some of the files occasionally. 19:02:51 tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@w221062.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #scheme 19:03:34 I know, real useful. 19:04:05 When I make a continuation, it binds values of both of lexical variables and special variables, correct? 19:04:39 HG` [n=wells@91.108.74.20] has joined #scheme 19:07:55 tomoyuki28jp: special variable in Scheme? 19:08:47 vixey: I am a lisper, so I am not sure what schemer call it. let me paste a sample code. 19:08:59 well I know of it in Common Lisp 19:09:12 but in CL we don't have reified continuations 19:10:43 tomoyuki28jp: yes 19:10:54 tomoyuki28jp: http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~gambit/doc/gambit-c.html#Dynamic-environment 19:11:20 http://www.copypastecode.com/codes/view/4878 19:11:50 ooh 19:11:50 uhm, sorry the pasted code is wrong. 19:11:52 ok I see 19:12:06 was going to say, *cc* is lexical 19:12:19 nothing special about define afaik 19:12:38 vixey: no, I mean, the cc bind the value of *v* even though it's not a lexical variable. 19:12:42 tomoyuki28jp: none of those bindings is dynamic 19:12:46 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has joined #scheme 19:12:57 ventonegro: oh really? 19:13:16 how to define dynamic variable in scheme? 19:13:23 I forgot most of scheme things... 19:13:30 tomoyuki28jp, I don't think there is any way to do it 19:13:40 oh really? 19:13:42 maybe I am wrong here though 19:13:49 -!- saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 19:13:54 none I know of at least 19:14:02 tomoyuki28jp: http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-39/srfi-39.html 19:14:28 ventonegro: thanks a lot for the info. 19:14:43 tomoyuki28jp: no problem 19:16:10 vixey: thank you too 19:16:19 ok :) 19:22:35 -!- lowlycoder [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:41:48 pumpkin_ [n=pumpkin@pat9.border1-cfw.dartmouth.edu] has joined #scheme 19:49:11 tripwyre [n=sathya@117.193.166.162] has joined #scheme 19:49:19 -!- tripwyre [n=sathya@117.193.166.162] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:06:18 arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-186-237-111.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 20:10:03 -!- elfor [n=johanfre@85.8.2.11.static.se.wasadata.net] has quit [] 20:17:01 -!- Hydr4 [n=Lernaean@68-184-239-20.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:17:23 Hydr4 [n=Lernaean@68-184-239-20.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 20:17:54 -!- HG` [n=wells@91.108.74.20] has quit [Client Quit] 20:18:58 -!- pumpkin_ [n=pumpkin@pat9.border1-cfw.dartmouth.edu] has quit ["Leaving..."] 20:19:21 -!- dlt__ [n=dlt@201.80.181.75] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:20:49 alaricsp [n=alaricsp@88-202-197-217.rdns.as8401.net] has joined #scheme 20:24:48 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@88-202-197-217.rdns.as8401.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:28:42 lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 20:30:16 minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 20:30:23 specbot [n=specbot@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 20:31:09 pumpkin_ [n=pumpkin@Aeropuerto.Kiewit.Dartmouth.EDU] has joined #scheme 20:34:49 -!- ct2rips [n=ct2rips@blfd-4db0e9ca.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit ["Noch da, noch da ... 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Since emacs isn't scheme, it can't understand a scheme program that deeply (I don't think). 21:16:13 cads [n=max@c-76-122-89-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:17:24 synx: M-x next-error 21:18:02 yea right mejja. 21:18:08 maybe if I was programming in elisp :> 21:20:47 well actually... 21:20:52 "Compilation minor mode works in any buffer, as long as the contents are in a format that it understands." 21:25:32 orly? 21:25:37 *mejja* laughs cruelly 21:26:50 I would be surprised if DrScheme worked better for developping Scheme than Emacs does.. 21:27:55 Could someone help me with http://paste.lisp.org/display/79296 ? 21:30:07 I really don't think that would work so well though mejja, since most stack traces only give you the name line and column, not what level of nesting or anything. 21:31:32 z0d [n=z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has joined #scheme 21:33:22 synx: I find your lack of faith in the Force disturbing ;-) 21:33:47 I mean, in drscheme it loads the file. I press ctrl-t and it errors out, and highlights the error. 21:34:14 In emacs it loads the file. I press M-x run-scheme, then type (require "thefile.ss") then it errors out. 21:35:01 Then I press M-x next-error and it says "next-error-find-buffer: No buffers contain error message locations" 21:36:27 And that's after following a guide to setup emacs for scheme using Quack and stuff like that. 21:36:47 CMU has the most amusing inferiority complex. A show of hands in the computer cluster reveals that 90% of us didn't get into MIT :) 21:37:40 -!- Nshag [n=shagoune@Mix-Orleans-106-2-11.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 21:38:55 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-183-106.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:39:05 thus implying that 90% of you tried? 21:39:47 nA1828KcFz9q [n=morse@cpe-071-065-237-135.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:41:12 synx: yeah - the poll was "who applied to MIT and got rejected" 21:41:41 ehehe that is pretty amusing 21:42:24 I was gonna apply to MIT 21:42:36 Then I realized the students were under so much stress that the school was more like a mental ward than a place of learning. 21:42:48 plus I'm not into robotics, yo 21:42:48 yeah 21:42:53 I visited MIT and I visited CMU 21:42:58 CMU was a lot more fun :) 21:43:10 are you a HS student 21:44:05 I'm a college student, in fact 21:44:11 Elly is a grad student TA if I don't miss my guess. 21:44:18 you do miss your guess 21:44:21 I'm an undergrad TA 21:44:28 do you study mathematics 21:44:33 no, computer science 21:44:39 which is kind of the same thing :) 21:44:48 Elly: I meant a grad student, who is a TA sorry :) 21:45:10 From your previous comments it was pretty obvious your students were undergrad. 21:45:13 synx: yes; I'm not a grad student :P 21:45:14 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [No route to host] 21:45:17 my students are undergrads, as am I 21:45:21 ? 21:45:26 So... wait what 21:45:41 I didn't know you could be a TA as an undergrad! 21:45:45 yep! 21:45:56 for some classes, undergrads are the preferred TAs 21:46:20 Interesting. 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Can someone tell me (or point me to a link explaining) the distinction between scheme's ability to pass functions as arguments versus other lisp variants, which don't seem to allow the same thing 22:56:08 ex: (define (f x) (* x x))... (define (g f x) (f 2)) 22:56:16 slacks21: look up the differences between lisp-1 and lisp-2 22:56:49 like this: http://www.nhplace.com/kent/Papers/Technical-Issues.html 22:56:53 okay, thanks. Yeah, cause it almost feels like the functionality of a macro (not that I know anything about them at this point) 22:57:05 slacks21: it's not related to macros 23:00:11 oh... so the #' notation or (funcall... ) is the same in CL as using just the variable in scheme? 23:00:39 -!- HG` [n=wells@91.108.74.20] has quit [Client Quit] 23:00:41 slacks21: the way you phrase it sounds a bit funny, but i think you got the gist of it 23:01:14 sorry, yeah, I'm still really new to lisp. thanks for the link... reading it right now 23:01:43 -!- krat3r [n=krat@a213-22-204-240.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 23:01:51 slacks21: i think there are probably simpler explanations online, but that paper is probably one of the most comprehensive 23:02:58 Well it's definitely interesting. 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