00:02:07 CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-75-68-42-94.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:13:37 orgy_ [n=ratm_@pD9FFEF59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 00:18:53 -!- orgy_ [n=ratm_@pD9FFEF59.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:25:06 -!- vorpal [n=rhunter@pdpc/supporter/student/vorpal] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:30:03 -!- orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFCBBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:40:50 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@92.36.201.198] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:40:55 -!- Mr_Awesome [n=eric@pool-98-108-9-64.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit ["aunt jemima is the devil!"] 00:42:06 -!- eno__ is now known as eno 00:44:00 -!- buggarage is now known as sepult_ 00:46:38 johnnowak [n=irchon@ool-45747314.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 00:47:14 -!- johnnowak [n=irchon@ool-45747314.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:49:43 -!- raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:52:16 -!- sepult_ is now known as sepult` 00:52:46 -!- underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has quit [] 01:08:00 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:08:13 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 01:15:19 That's because a master carpenter built it. 01:16:40 -!- AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable087.62-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["!"] 01:17:26 -!- bzzbzz [n=franco@modemcable140.105-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["leaving"] 01:29:52 -!- sepult` is now known as sepult_ 01:34:30 -!- ventonegro [n=alex@189.100.198.163] has quit [] 01:37:29 raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has joined #scheme 01:39:24 synthase [n=synthase@68.63.19.212] has joined #scheme 01:39:29 sepult_` [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-75-208.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 01:44:13 vorpal [n=rhunter@pdpc/supporter/student/vorpal] has joined #scheme 01:45:00 sepult__ [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-75-208.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 01:48:57 -!- singhv [n=vsingh@CPE0014bf4af6c2-CM000a739caee2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 01:49:16 -!- offby1`` is now known as offby1 01:49:46 xwl_ [n=user@147.243.236.60] has joined #scheme 01:49:55 -!- rudybot_ is now known as rudybot 01:51:11 incubot: that dovetails with my experience 01:51:14 interesting... that dovetails with a short story idea that's been bouncing around in my head fully-formed but unwritten for a few months. I'll have to pound it out and toss it over. 01:51:24 you do that 01:52:19 that was surprisingly coherent 01:52:58 hi zbig. 01:53:02 hi elly. 01:53:08 *elf* is a greetbot today. 01:54:22 hello 01:56:29 -!- sepult_ [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-101-162.netcologne.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 01:57:09 -!- sepult [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-101-162.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:58:44 eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-131-7.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:01:11 -!- xwl_ [n=user@147.243.236.60] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:01:21 -!- sreeram [n=sreeram@122.164.236.163] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:01:35 sreeram [n=sreeram@122.164.236.163] has joined #scheme 02:01:58 morning! 02:05:31 gustavold [n=a@189.102.144.77] has joined #scheme 02:05:33 xwl_ [n=user@147.243.236.60] has joined #scheme 02:05:43 *offby1* slaps zbigniew upside the haid, belatedly, but with admiration, too 02:06:14 Elly: incubot is _frighteningly_ coherent. And such simple code, too. 02:10:58 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:12:37 incubot, coherent? Eh... 02:12:39 so, why chicken scheme rather than any other? does it have a lot of libraries? coherent module system? objects? 02:13:01 all of the above. 02:13:02 incubot: I admire you and would like to be more like you. 02:13:05 I admire your fortitude. 02:13:11 incubot: slow multiple values == why not 02:13:13 apres toi, Alphonse 02:13:13 02:13:14 No, on second thought... There might be multiple exit paths, so BREAK-IF *should* accept an AFTER form. 02:14:15 incubot: how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if, and only if, a woodchuck could chuck wood? otherwise, what is the point of human existence? 02:14:18 I wish that it was possible to wish for more wishes or to know how much wood a woodchuck... 02:14:26 heh, win. 02:14:31 that was good, kluto. 02:15:03 incubot: chant elf 02:15:06 chant for me 02:15:16 minion: chant incubot 02:15:17 MORE WISHES 02:15:28 minion: chant minion 02:15:29 MORE WISHES 02:15:30 minion: chant arcfide 02:15:30 MORE WISHES 02:15:39 woot, loop. 02:15:44 minion: chant elf 02:15:44 MORE WISHES 02:15:55 arcfide: chant minion 02:16:02 oh wait, not a bot. right. 02:16:04 MINION, MINION, MINION! 02:16:05 you speak nonsense 02:16:09 hehe! 02:16:42 oh minion, minion, minion, i made you out of clay, and though you are a bot, a golem you are today. 02:16:49 or something. 02:17:06 minion: advice for elf 02:17:06 elf: #11963: It's easy to get the *wrong* answer in O(1) time. 02:17:34 one would argue that its trivial to get the wrong answer in O(1) time. 02:17:38 not merely easy. 02:17:46 actually, thats not true. hrm. 02:17:52 hrm. 02:18:13 its probably trivial to get the wrong answer, but not to prove that its the wrong answer, if the question is sufficiently complex. 02:18:56 That's a result in computability theory. 02:18:56 :-) 02:19:08 *elf* grins. 02:19:24 One that I happen to be working on right now. 02:19:26 kinks [n=Kinks@wnpgmb0911w-ad03-96-102.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #scheme 02:19:31 weird. 02:19:41 its an interesting result, actually. 02:19:46 I'm a little annoyed at what the Professor calls a "cute and answerable" problem that is answerable "from the definitions only." 02:20:22 -!- eno__ is now known as eno 02:20:22 how do I load the trace / untrace procedures for mzscheme? 02:20:32 (require trace) doesn't seem to work 02:20:35 you should write 'given an arbitrary set of axioms, it is possible to prove anything. the difficulty is finding a relevant set of axioms' 02:20:40 though it also gives no error 02:20:50 axiom 1: the sky is green. 02:20:55 axiom 2: the moon is made of green cheese. 02:21:06 axiom 3: zombie jesus will rise forth and do some shite today. 02:21:15 you can prove all kinds of shtuff using those axioms. 02:21:23 its relevancy to reality is somewhat suspect though. 02:21:54 *elf* babbles himself into a corner, where he stays, sorting out old papers. 02:25:33 -!- xwl_ [n=user@147.243.236.60] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:30:59 you you you mean santa isn't real?? 02:35:04 LobsterMan [n=a@host72-50.student.udel.edu] has joined #scheme 02:35:23 i have a problem that tells me to do: Consider the more general map procedure described in section 2.2.1. This 02:35:23 is the version supplied by Scheme. Write and test your own version of this 02:35:23 function and call it my-map. 02:35:36 but the version given in the book seems to be the only practical way to write map.. 02:35:41 (define (map proc items) 02:35:42 (if (null? items) 02:35:42 nil 02:35:42 (cons (proc (car items)) 02:35:42 (map proc (cdr items))))) 02:35:56 i can't really think of a different way to go about it instead of using cond instead of if 02:36:23 synx: yes. sadly. 02:37:14 sreeram_ [n=sreeram@59.92.39.89] has joined #scheme 02:38:38 loonysalmon [n=kvirc@rover-202-187.rovernet.mtu.edu] has joined #scheme 02:39:19 How can i get a procedure definition? 02:39:40 I.e., I want to know what fnval does in "Pretty Big" 02:40:03 google would probably be your best bet 02:40:51 elf: https://synx.us.to/~synx/santaandgod.html 02:40:55 -!- sepult_` [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-75-208.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:41:03 -!- sepult__ [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-75-208.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 02:41:10 I can still belieeeeve  02:41:39 hmm so am i on my own here? 02:41:49 loonysalmon: gotta read the docs 02:42:20 okthx! 02:42:23 -!- arcfide [n=arcfide@h-68-165-57-247.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:42:33 buggarage [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-75-208.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 02:42:36 LobsterMan: Your own version of... that procedure specifically? Those instructions sound like they just want you to rename it to my-map. 02:42:46 yeah that's what it seems like to me too 02:42:52 maybe it's just supposed to pound into my head how map works 02:42:56 sepult [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-75-208.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 02:43:07 Try writing a tail recursive version, with an explicit stack. That should be enough to wow the professor. 02:43:15 hehe 02:43:20 write it in assembler 02:43:39 offby1: now that would be fun 02:43:42 :] 02:45:00 PUSH EAX 02:45:00 PUSH EBX 02:45:00 CMP BX,0 02:45:00 JNZ EAX 02:45:03 etc etc etc :D 02:51:39 -!- jao` [n=jao@126.Red-83-33-182.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:51:51 -!- sreeram [n=sreeram@122.164.236.163] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:52:05 brweber2 [n=brweber2@ip68-100-65-167.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #scheme 02:55:58 bleah 02:57:18 :] 02:57:22 synx: thats pretty win. 02:58:11 *offby1* cringes 02:58:26 its sick and wrong but pretty funny :) 02:58:38 santa is my bishie 02:58:47 bishie? 03:00:12 problem with the statements is that god is equated with jesus. 03:00:22 nothing nothing 03:00:24 which is clearly deragned. i dont remember there being any zombie gods. 03:00:32 deranged, even. 03:00:47 well, except osiris. 03:01:25 obviously God is a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father. 03:01:34 riiiight. 03:01:43 if this makes sense to you, please check into an asylum now. 03:01:52 and do not, under any circumstances, reproduce. 03:02:19 its unknown if insanity is genetic, but there do exist clear signs of this psychosis between generations. 03:02:42 *elf* made a tv-perfect omelette. 03:02:49 *elf* is happy about this, as it was for his gf. 03:03:15 -!- SandGorgon [n=user@122.162.143.60] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:07:27 error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 03:14:00 ugh, ate too much goose breast earlier, now i've got the damned poops 03:14:03 "Insanity is hereditary -- you get it from your children!" 03:14:09 loonysalmon: er. 03:14:13 yup! 03:14:16 TMI. 03:14:27 offby1: true re: insanity. 03:14:28 ...barely 03:14:36 true re: loonysalmon as well. 03:14:55 and I _don't_ mean "Three Mile Island" 03:15:10 echo-area [n=user@nat/yahoo/x-7968b6427623a524] has joined #scheme 03:15:21 you mean 'the mud institute', yes? 03:15:31 youre talking about mud software! 03:16:35 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:18:49 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:18:53 Does anyone know about how to use reset and shift? 03:20:01 combinators? 03:20:11 i seem to recall there being something on oleg's site about their usage. 03:20:24 synx: eli probably knows. 03:20:42 -!- raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:20:58 I might be able to get the paper that talks about them... 03:21:56 ooh awesome got it. 03:23:37 Look at synx: getting papers and sitch. 03:23:49 Next thing you'll get an email account too... 03:24:08 let's not get ahead of ourselves here. 03:24:42 :) 03:27:39 mmm, email account 03:27:44 destroyer of productivity! 03:36:52 -!- sreeram_ [n=sreeram@59.92.39.89] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:41:47 What I'm really looking for is a nice elegant syntax for generator procedures running over a loop. 03:42:29 I mean you can do it with a plt channel and a plt thread, but that's a bit overkill... 03:44:23 -!- brweber2 [n=brweber2@ip68-100-65-167.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [] 03:46:51 Mr_Awesome [n=eric@isr5452.urh.uiuc.edu] has joined #scheme 03:52:54 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:54:41 You can (set! next (call/cc next)) but there's no way for a macro to determine what you've happened to decide is "next" for a particular procedure. 03:57:39 eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 03:57:46 cky [n=cky@98.105.160.112] has joined #scheme 04:02:19 SandGorgon [n=user@122.162.143.60] has joined #scheme 04:03:42 -!- Elly is now known as Gruelly 04:09:30 -!- gustavold [n=a@189.102.144.77] has quit [] 04:10:09 tjafk1 [n=timj@e176215157.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 04:10:45 AtnNn 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I think the author (foof) would prefer integrating it in Chicken core, but others disagree 12:07:59 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has quit ["leaving"] 12:08:52 i thought foof was alex shinn, author of gauche 12:09:31 He is alex shinn, but I believe the author of gauche is Shiro Kawai, no? 12:09:36 author of gauche is shiro, yes? 12:09:57 elf: :) 12:10:10 heh, sjamaan wins :) 12:10:13 ok, that makes more sense 12:10:42 i leave #scheme for a while, and everyone changes their names 12:10:52 what happened to felix? 12:10:58 foof didn't change his nick! 12:11:08 Felix doesn't come here anymore 12:11:43 felix is very very busy. 12:18:39 fooey [n=chatzill@41.233.120.23] has joined #scheme 12:18:52 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-51-87.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 12:19:34 anyone have any idea on how to enumerate the terms of the lambda calculus? 12:25:07 -!- echo-area [n=user@nat/yahoo/x-7968b6427623a524] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:45:41 *foof* is the 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(third l) 'Spartaaaa) 18:11:18 l 18:11:22 oh 18:11:30 rudybot: eval (set-car! (third l) 'Spartaaaa) 18:11:31 Mr-Cat: error: reference to undefined identifier: set-car! 18:11:45 ah 18:13:22 Anyway, Is there a guaranteed way to mutate a component of a nested list. Say, is `(set-car! (third ...' guaranteed to work? 18:15:07 borism [n=boris@195-50-201-77-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has joined #scheme 18:17:56 I think `third' et al return the nth element, not the nth pair. list-tail does that though, so you could (define (list-set! l n v) (set-car! (list-tail l n) v)) 18:19:14 well, felix added er-macro-transformer to chicken, addressing the hopes and fears of all the years 18:20:48 -!- datkin [n=datkin@digdug.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:20:50 p1dzkl: Yeah, third returns a single element, but In my example that element is a nested list. And I want to mutate an alement of a nested list 18:21:42 -!- borism_ [n=boris@195-50-200-220-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 18:21:53 oh well, in that case I don't see why mutating wouldn't work as normal 18:22:19 (you can't mutate literal data created by quote) 18:24:13 -!- Modius_ is now known as Modius 18:24:54 -!- sphex___ [n=nobody@modemcable185.138-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:30:18 p1dzkl: Ok. I was in doubt, since I heard somewhere, that set-car! exists because `(set! (car' is not guaranteed to work correctly. 18:33:29 set-car! is in R5RS, `(set! (car' is an SRFI 17 extension 18:36:14 set-car! is a procedure that mutates pairs, set! is syntax that mutates bindings (until SRFI 17 came along and mixed the two up) 18:39:26 arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-137-203-111.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 18:39:38 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:40:47 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 18:40:59 I wonder why I have never used the => form for COND before. 18:43:40 p1dzkl: thanks 18:44:25 Btw, is it ok, that `(reverse! l)' returns the reversed list, and after that l is destroyed 18:44:26 ? 18:46:44 -!- jao [n=jao@126.Red-83-33-182.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:49:45 http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-1/srfi-1.html#reverse! 18:52:34 Ah, `it is permitted' means, that reverse! is permitted to destroy the list? 18:52:39 ok, thanks 18:54:08 -!- Ragnaroek [i=54a654bb@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2e46932d53b59dab] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 18:55:58 -!- saccade__ [n=saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-FIVE-FIFTY-TWO.MIT.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:58:10 Ragnaroek [i=54a654bb@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-857c79df63094951] has joined #scheme 19:02:15 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs131216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:05:29 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-4-230.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 19:15:16 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has joined #scheme 19:16:23 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:17:01 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has left #scheme 19:17:16 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 19:17:20 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has joined #scheme 19:19:53 ebzzry [n=ebzzry@124.217.83.63] has joined #scheme 19:23:02 dysinger [n=tim@cpe-75-80-200-182.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 19:25:25 -!- ebzzry [n=ebzzry@124.217.83.63] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:30:12 a-s [n=user@92.81.117.113] has joined #scheme 19:33:04 ejs [n=eugen@46-10-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 19:33:39 kniu [n=kniu@OVERLORD.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 19:43:05 -!- pfo [n=pfo@chello084114049188.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:49:21 wrldpc [n=worldpea@pool-173-48-214-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 19:54:17 deat [n=deat@fac34-8-88-172-174-215.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 19:57:30 saccade_ [n=saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-THREE-TWELVE.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 19:59:14 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #scheme 20:00:43 -!- meanburrito920_ [n=John@76-217-6-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:03:36 -!- kniu [n=kniu@OVERLORD.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Success] 20:03:42 meanburrito920_ [n=John@76-217-6-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 20:04:09 kniu [n=kniu@CMU-284828.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 20:05:40 -!- ejs [n=eugen@46-10-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 20:06:53 saccade__ [n=saccade@18.188.70.132] has joined #scheme 20:08:26 jao [n=jao@126.Red-83-33-182.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 20:14:29 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-THREE-TWELVE.MIT.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:16:37 ebzzry [n=ebzzry@124.217.83.63] has joined #scheme 20:17:17 In Mzscheme, is there a way to refer to the last evaluated expression? 20:22:47 ebzzry: No, but if you have my interactive thing, then it does that -- bound to ^ ^^ and ^^^ 20:23:02 eli: OK :-) 20:24:25 Is there a way to change the default filename suffix of DrScheme (mine always insists on .scm)? 20:24:33 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A0DBA.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:26:15 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:26:18 error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 20:27:43 jsonsche [i=Jason@robertgedelian.rit.edu] has joined #scheme 20:32:38 -!- inimino [n=inimino@atekomi.inimino.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:33:21 inimino [n=inimino@atekomi.inimino.org] has joined #scheme 20:34:56 ebzzry: I don't know -- it usually likes .ss better. 20:35:25 eli: Does the PLT Scheme community have any preference for the suffix at all? 20:35:30 eli: Say for contributed code? 20:35:37 -!- kniu [n=kniu@CMU-284828.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:35:55 .scm is the standard, but .ss is another common one. 20:36:04 .sls and .slc I think are also being used. 20:36:21 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:36:37 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bbl"] 20:36:37 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 20:36:54 arcfide: Is there a consensus on that? 20:37:05 *arcfide* laughs. 20:37:14 ebzzry: Are you new to Scheme? 20:37:25 arcfide: No. 20:37:31 I'm new to PLT. 20:37:48 kniu [n=kniu@OVERLORD.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 20:37:52 You use "consensus" like a Scheme newbie. :-P 20:37:53 arcfide: I've been using .scm before. 20:38:09 arcfide: I wanted to know if things have changed since then 20:38:16 Granted, .scm is probably the most common form, and probably the most kosher. 20:38:24 arcfide: Thanks! 20:38:26 So you can't really go wrong. 20:38:39 arcfide: cool 20:40:31 I noticed that for the past years, some write procedures as (define foo (lambda ...))) and some as (define (foo ...)). Are there multiple camps for function definition conventions? 20:41:14 attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-134-5-174.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #scheme 20:46:39 ebzzry: who cares? shoot for clarity. i'll sometimes use the latter form when defining procedures in LET; but the former is more succinct 20:46:42 Most people don't care one way or the other I think. 20:46:59 arcfide: Good. 20:47:10 ebzzry: sorry, that's vice versa 20:47:12 klutometis: OK 20:47:29 I use the LAMBDA explicitly just because it's the style ove here, it seems, though I do like that it makes all the names consistent when bound, and doesn't distinguish procedures from variables or parameters in that way, though it's an extra line. 20:48:04 arcfide: "over here" meaning in chez land; your cs department; ...? 20:48:11 arcfide: same here 20:48:19 arcfide: I mean, mine, personally. 20:48:37 klutometis: Lot's of IU does it. Chez land does it, but probably because Chez has a lot of code that's been around a long time. 20:51:22 OT: does soegaard hang out here? 20:51:38 ebzzry, hi 20:51:51 Fare: Oops. Hi 20:56:27 Outside scheme community .scm is more well-known. I.e. butbucket still does not highlight .ss in web-viewer. I've submitted a request, but they keep silence still. 20:57:03 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20:57:47 -!- Ragnaroek [i=54a654bb@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-857c79df63094951] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 20:58:09 -!- Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:02:25 Inside scheme community, it's too dark to read. 21:02:28 *offby1* slaps thigh 21:02:59 ebzzry: I think soegaard hung out here ages ago; the nick is familiar but I cannot remember seeing it recently 21:03:01 rudybot: seen soegaard 21:03:01 *offby1: soegaard was seen in/on #scheme thirty-six weeks, six days ago, saying "http://docs.plt-scheme.org/gui/index.html", and then soegaard was seen quitting in/on 0x503e5363.hrnxx2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk thirty-six weeks, six days ago 21:03:08 ebzzry: soegaard used to come in every once in a while. 21:03:09 offby1: thanks 21:03:22 eli: OK 21:03:25 -!- saccade__ [n=saccade@18.188.70.132] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:03:49 ebzzry: and re the suffix, using .ss makes it easier to require files in plt -- you can use (require foo/bar) instead of (require (lib "foo/bar.scm")) 21:04:12 Regarding PLT, does `planet', when using the shorthand form, assume the suffix of .ss? 21:04:19 eli: Argh, you just said it. :-) 21:04:25 I'm not sure where the .ss suffix started, but I know that it became popular in chez, which is why plt used it originally. 21:05:18 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:05:54 eli: Do you know why plt 4.1.5 assumes a suffix of .scm by default, and not .ss? 21:06:18 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 21:06:38 I use Chez, and subsequently, I use .ss as my extension. 21:07:55 ebzzry: I'm not sure, I think that it was "recently" change to default on .ss. But all of that depends on what you mean by "assumes a suffix of .scm". 21:08:25 eli: I'm sorry for being unclear. I was referring to the Save dialog box of DrScheme. 21:08:41 eli: Yeah, I was too vague. 21:09:30 ebzzry: just a second. 21:09:56 *eli* 's enjoying his wonderful start-menu-munging script 21:09:57 eli: Just because the Save dialog box uses .scm all the time, does not mean the whole system is using it by "default" - a case of a hasty generalization. Sorry. 21:10:58 ebzzry: No, you're right -- I think that the default should be a .ss there. 21:11:10 (I just made sure that it's the same on windows too.) 21:11:12 eli: Hmm. 21:11:17 eli: That's what I did too. 21:11:38 eli: I installed the Unix and Windows version of 4.1.5 and they exhibit the same behavior. 21:12:16 ebzzry: I sent a question to the people in charge. 21:12:51 eli: Thanks. If it was done deliberately by the group (or person) in charge, there must be a good reason why. 21:13:03 Those responsible have had their knees stapled together 21:13:25 (I'm not sure -- it looks like an omission to me...) 21:13:33 Hmm 21:21:13 Ah... the nice smell of fresh keyboard. 21:22:00 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 21:22:19 eli: Is the history of PLT documented somewhere? 21:22:35 Define history. 21:22:49 eli: A history containing for example containing why the organization why named "PLT" 21:23:24 Ah, that kind of history is not maintained anywhere. 21:23:31 s/example\ containing/example entries/ 21:23:40 IIRC, it was on the mailing list several times. 21:23:45 eli: Hmm. So maybe that's why my searches are useless. 21:24:04 eli: Do you know why? I'm just curious. 21:24:21 The bottom line is that there's no definite ansewer for the "T". 21:24:44 It's something that was carried over from Rice -- so it was all before my time. 21:25:01 eli: So it's like "Programming Language Tada!"? 21:25:29 -!- arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-137-203-111.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Gone."] 21:26:01 eli: Nah. I'll just go look for it. 21:26:16 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-22.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:26:54 ebzzry: I think that "Team" is the common guess. 21:27:36 eli: OK. By the way, thank for you writing the nice search mechanism of the docs website 21:28:46 eli: Although I have to make some minor adjustments when sending a query that contains a #\space in it because the spaces get translated to "+" instead of "%20" 21:29:39 eli: for example ".../index.html?q=mred+preference" => mred+preference 21:31:13 ebzzry: Whew, -- http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.scheme.plt/22912/focus=22921 21:31:35 eli: Loading... 21:31:54 Yeah, I noticed the + issue too, I didn't narrow it down yet. 21:32:23 eli: OK 21:34:46 mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 21:35:07 jenkins [n=jenkins@ixa150.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #scheme 21:36:17 heh; i've been trolling around on the php list about their new closures which don't support recursion (without egregious hacks) 21:36:32 invariably, someone has to pipe up about the fucking y-combinator 21:36:47 bastards 21:36:50 heh 21:37:06 eli: Hmm. So it's Programming Language Team then. Thanks. 21:37:11 (why? (what? why?)) 21:38:16 Y-combinators made their way to php? Oh shi~ 21:38:23 jenkins: talk about an existential loop 21:38:51 Mr-Cat: i just think it's funny that they did them right in the 60s, and now all these langs du jour are coming out with half-ass implementations 21:38:53 What next? Static typing? Type inference? Dependent types? 21:39:22 macros without syntax trees 21:39:49 Skala aka we did this 40 years ago and better 21:39:54 err Scala 21:41:04 -!- npe [n=npe@108.192-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has quit [] 21:44:41 that's always bothered me about oo, too: aren't classes a poor subset of closures; closures, namely, whose only function is instantiation? 21:44:54 Anyone here know if you can implement (set! ) using only lambda ? (like the car/cdr examples in SICP) ? 21:46:00 jenkins: lambda, as opposed to what: macros? 21:46:30 as opposed to the primitive set! - in other words to have local assignment using lambda 21:46:56 or implementation of state using only functional calculus 21:57:06 re closures vs objects: http://www.kimbly.com/blog/000063.html 22:02:14 -!- Qaexl [n=Akashakr@c-24-30-97-247.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:03:21 -!- ebzzry [n=ebzzry@124.217.83.63] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:04:28 -!- sepult [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-25-56.netcologne.de] has quit ["leaving"] 22:04:59 jenkins: `implementation of state using only functional calculus' - monads? 22:05:28 -!- jsonsche [i=Jason@robertgedelian.rit.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:06:05 jenkins: Look at haskell's IO ans St monads. 22:10:58 Qaexl [n=Akashakr@c-24-30-97-247.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:15:10 -!- meanburrito920_ [n=John@76-217-6-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:15:10 -!- Modius [n=Modius@adsl-67-67-221-112.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit ["I'm big in Japan"] 22:16:49 Some would consider I/O as just wrappers around set! that have the ! removed. 22:17:29 (channel-put c 3) <-- no side effects? really? 22:17:42 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-134-5-174.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:18:18 attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-134-1-161.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #scheme 22:18:33 davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 22:27:24 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 22:33:13 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 22:33:36 saccade_ [n=saccade@18.188.70.132] has joined #scheme 22:36:54 p1dzkl: nice post; though i'm still puzzled by the converse 22:37:06 p1dzkl: actually, i found this enlightening: http://people.csail.mit.edu/gregs/ll1-discuss-archive-html/msg03277.html 22:37:37 i might believe a smalltalker if he espoused the converse; namely, that "closures are a poor-man's objects" 22:39:05 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-22.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:47:33 borism_ [n=boris@195-50-197-228-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has joined #scheme 22:49:59 -!- mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:54:02 -!- borism [n=boris@195-50-201-77-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 22:55:02 -!- Mr-Cat [n=Mr-Cat@bahirkin1507.static.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:55:56 -!- error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:56:17 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:58:58 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:03:52 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:04:04 error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 23:08:26 -!- davidad [n=me@NORTHWEST-THIRTYFIVE-FOUR-TWENTY-TWO.MIT.EDU] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:08:42 -!- deat [n=deat@fac34-8-88-172-174-215.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 23:09:42 -!- amazon10x [i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-7aae87dc6c451fec] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:09:45 amazon10x [i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-8e45b8daabb1de58] has joined #scheme 23:11:38 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-134-1-161.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:12:14 -!- error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:13:08 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 23:15:29 -!- bweaver [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:16:33 -!- jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:26:45 hadronzoo_ [n=hadronzo@209.30.40.196] has joined #scheme 23:28:23 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:28:24 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:28:43 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 23:30:13 davidad [n=me@NORTHWEST-THIRTYFIVE-FOUR-TWENTY-TWO.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 23:37:11 hadronzoo__ [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-99-149.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 23:38:27 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@209.30.36.113] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:41:38 -!- hadronzoo__ is now known as hadronzoo 23:43:33 -!- davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:45:53 What is the closure 'applied' to though? If applying the closure, you pass in some kind of identifier that then invokes a procedure enclosed by the closure, of a list of such procedures. 23:45:57 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:46:05 (object-closure 'do-something 23) for instance 23:47:57 Then you would have a closure pretty much equivalent to an object. That's just about how python objects are implemented in fact. 23:49:20 hey. is it just me or is debugging using scheme48 way fscking hard? 23:49:24 It's like (define (make-closure) (let ((something (make-dict-somehow))) (lambda (id . arguments) (apply (dict-ref something id) arguments)))) 23:49:57 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 23:50:30 sphex: it might be just you. 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