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(or something suchlike) 00:10:25 -!- reprap [n=hask@h84n3c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:10:27 oh wait. wtf?" 00:10:30 *sjamaan* bets it's undefined 00:10:41 no, its expecting an arg of given type. 00:10:44 so its probably not undefined. 00:10:50 i dont know the foldl thing though. 00:11:20 that should be y instead 00:11:24 nor the syntax for hash-update! nor wtf is intended here. 00:11:25 x is the list element 00:11:28 ah 00:11:37 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw304058.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:11:40 afaik hash-update! doesn't return a procedure either 00:11:41 isnt there a way to pass back the hashtable? 00:11:43 So it's double-wrong 00:11:52 flowerpower: You don't want nor need to 00:11:56 flowerpower: what are you trying to do ? 00:12:02 Hash-tables are modified in-place 00:12:10 You don't even need foldl, you can just use for-each 00:12:14 aye. 00:12:32 you dont want foldl, cause youd need it to continually be passed back. 00:12:35 which isnt useful here. 00:15:54 it is useful 00:16:03 but scheme lacks common sense 00:16:09 Of course it does 00:16:13 it shoudl be immutable/functioanl all the way 00:16:23 Why should it? 00:16:27 Because you say so? 00:16:33 mroe elegant and consistent 00:17:04 You can manipulate lists in-place, too 00:17:14 Scheme doesn't force a particular programming paradigm 00:17:27 you can do the real quicksort in scheme? 00:18:00 You can do the fake one 00:18:39 so how do I read a file to a string the simplest way? 00:18:55 (with-input-from-file "foo" read-string), in Chicken 00:19:05 But that's probably not what you want to hear ;) 00:19:20 In plt it's `file->string'. 00:19:49 What does `read-string' in chicken do? 00:20:04 Read from a port until EOF and return a string 00:21:03 Sounds to me like a bad name. 00:21:58 Why? You have read-char, read-line and read-string 00:23:44 Pegazus [n=awefawe@host121.190-31-179.telecom.net.ar] has joined #scheme 00:24:50 -!- dsmith [n=dsmith@66.178.229.162] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:25:06 peter_12 [n=peter_12@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 00:29:54 sjamaan: Because `char' and `line' have well-defined meanings, but `read-string' doesn't make any sense. 00:30:12 At least not in the immediately-clear-to-me sense. 00:30:39 It has an extra optional argument that tells it how many characters to read into the string 00:30:49 If it's not supplied or #f, it reads until EOF 00:31:19 So you could say (read-string (current-input-port) 10) to read 10 characters 00:31:31 Make more sense? 00:31:43 I'd still classify that as very surprising behavior. 00:31:49 The default-reads-all part. 00:32:16 *sjamaan* shrugs 00:32:19 whats the opeation for lookup in mzlib hash? 00:32:21 I always found it straightforward 00:32:38 -!- gweiqi [n=greg@69.120.126.163] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:33:41 flowerpower: are you `reprap'? 00:35:18 flowerpower: are you `reprap'? 00:35:33 gweiqi [n=greg@69.120.126.163] has joined #scheme 00:38:45 -!- flowerpower [n=hask@h84n3c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:38:58 reprap [n=hask@h84n3c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #scheme 00:40:33 eli: yes, and also the artist formerly knows as `haskellian'. 00:40:38 s/knows/known 00:40:47 what now? 00:41:45 what did you sya about me? 00:43:21 -!- aaco [n=aaco@unaffiliated/aaco] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:43:25 reprap: I asked you, while you were `flowerpower', if you're `reprap'. 00:43:48 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:43:50 And given that you're the same person, I gave you a file that has everything you need. 00:44:07 But for some reason you insist in asking the same questions over and over. 00:47:51 alaricsp [n=alaricsp@217.205.201.45] has joined #scheme 00:51:16 flowerpower [n=hask@h84n3c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #scheme 00:57:18 -!- flowerpower [n=hask@h84n3c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:57:33 flowerpower [n=hask@h84n3c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #scheme 00:58:07 so how do i for-loop over a list and cons to it? 00:58:08 can i mutate lists? 00:58:50 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:59:55 if i for-loop over soemthing and want to acc over a slit 00:59:59 -!- voidpointer [n=void@unaffiliated/voidpointer] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:00:50 -!- synthase [n=synthase@68.63.48.10] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:01:04 synthase [n=synthase@68.63.48.10] has joined #scheme 01:05:40 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-226-84.dsl.look.ca] has quit ["If only your veins were filled with oil, the world would rush to your rescue!"] 01:06:01 -!- hemulen [n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [] 01:06:44 -!- reprap [n=hask@h84n3c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:08:07 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:10:16 how do i refer to the nth elem of a list? 01:16:38 arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-137-200-58.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:17:24 *arcfide* takes a stick and sees whether leppie is awake. 01:19:07 does scheme have evctors or something? 01:20:07 flowerpower: what are evctors? 01:20:35 flowerpower: In PLT, you can loop over a list with one of the `for' forms, or `map', or one of the `fold' functions. 01:20:51 flowerpower: you use `list-ref' to get the nth element of a list. 01:21:09 flowerpower: and Scheme does have vectors -- lookup "vector" in the documentation. 01:21:13 orgy_ [n=ratm_@pD9FFCF7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 01:27:18 is it not possible to amke a vector that grows 01:27:21 dynamically 01:27:32 hmm i thought lisp was all about lists 01:27:57 but perhaps im using lists to much needing then to reverse at thend of each recursive function? 01:28:38 flowerpower, what's wrong with collecting and reversing at the end? 01:29:36 inefficient 01:29:40 http://rafb.net/p/imaAol88.html 01:29:47 can someone make a faster split-function? 01:30:02 (map list->string (reverse (map reverse (cons w acc))))) 01:30:02 doing that at the end is very ugly 01:30:37 lisppaste: url 01:30:37 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme and enter your paste. 01:31:11 flowerpower: have you seen SRFI-13? 01:31:39 dont knwo what it is 01:32:55 flowerpower: It's a String Library. 01:32:59 specbot: help 01:32:59 To use the specbot bot, say something like "database term", where database is one of ("clhs", "r5rs", "cocoa", "elisp", "clim", "ieee754", "ppc", "posix", "man", "cltl2", "cltl2-section") and term is the desired lookup. The available databases are: 01:32:59 "clhs", The Common Lisp HyperSpec; "r5rs", The Revised 5th Ed. Report on the Algorithmic Language Scheme; "cocoa", Classes in the Cocoa Foundation and Application kits; "elisp", GNU Emacs Lisp Reference Manual 01:32:59 "clim", Common Lisp Interface Manager II Specification; "ieee754", Section numbers of IEEE 754; "ppc", PowerPC assembly mnemonics; "posix", Single UNIX Specification 01:33:13 Drat. 01:33:30 01:34:33 flowerpower: I've already shown you how you can do that in PLT, very efficiently. 01:34:46 arcfide pasted "STRING-SPLIT" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/75459 01:34:46 rudybot_: eval (regexp-split #rx" " "foo bar blah") 01:34:46 eli: ; Value: ("foo" "bar" "blah") 01:35:57 eli: Isn't he asking how one would implement something like REGEXP-SPLIT? 01:36:18 arcfide: I don't think so -- he has been asking the same set of questions for several hours now. 01:36:29 eli: Okay, sorry. 01:37:45 -!- orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFEC5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 01:39:02 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@217.205.201.45] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:44:07 Did I miss 1234567890? 01:45:17 you did 01:45:21 it was a couple of hours ago 01:46:14 mr-slave: countdown for foof 01:46:14 *eli: too late... 01:46:48 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:48:25 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-240-185.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:49:06 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-226-84.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 01:49:17 -!- jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:52:50 how do convert to float? 01:53:18 minion: advice for flowerpower 01:53:20 flowerpower: #11936: Because that's the way it is. 01:53:45 flowerpower: Do you have a copy of documentation for whatever it is you are doing? 01:55:19 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw304058.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 01:56:13 -!- flowerpower [n=hask@h84n3c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:57:17 reprap [n=hask@h84n3c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #scheme 02:00:05 http://docs.plt-scheme.org/sgl/main.html 02:00:11 i copied the example (require sgl sgl/gl-vectors) 02:00:11 (gl-begin 'triangles) 02:00:12 ... 02:00:16 (gl-end) 02:00:27 is it supposed to do something? because nothing happens... 02:03:41 -!- tr3 [n=tr3@host60-170-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:04:12 -!- reprap [n=hask@h84n3c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:05:22 reprap [n=hask@h84n3c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #scheme 02:07:07 -!- raikov [n=igr@81.153.145.122.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:08:05 geckosenator [n=sean@71.237.94.78] has joined #scheme 02:11:14 how do I set inferior scheme program? 02:11:14 (setq inferior-scheme-program "C:/Program Files/PLT/mzscheme.exe") 02:11:18 (in emacs) 02:13:04 -!- reprap [n=hask@h84n3c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:13:18 reprap [n=hask@h84n3c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #scheme 02:14:06 -!- reprap [n=hask@h84n3c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:14:17 reprap [n=hask@h84n3c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #scheme 02:15:05 -!- reprap [n=hask@h84n3c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:15:17 reprap [n=hask@h84n3c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #scheme 02:18:26 dharmatech [n=root@c-75-72-220-197.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:18:29 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw304058.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:18:53 ping jao 02:19:30 Here's another cfdg rendering run by Larceny: http://proteus.freeshell.org/cfdg-spirales-larceny.png 02:19:33 reprap: What about the SCHEME-PROGRAM-NAME variable. 02:19:57 Funny thing is, Ypsilon runs it much faster than Larceny. :-) 02:20:11 Actually, Ypsilon has been running all the demos faster. 02:21:05 arcfide: what about it? the path is correct, if mzscheme.exe is what it should be set to 02:21:31 ah 02:21:34 progra~1 02:22:17 arcfide, Are you the guy that posted the Chez libraries? 02:22:42 Yes. 02:22:51 arcfide, Nice work. :-) 02:22:59 Thanks. 02:23:01 arcfide, I can't believe you have a full Chez implementation. 8-) 02:23:06 Hah! 02:23:10 I like your Gopher server. 02:23:54 Glad you like it. :-) 02:24:15 flowerpower [n=hask@h84n3c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #scheme 02:24:41 -!- reprap [n=hask@h84n3c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:25:42 jao, I noticed awhile back you mentioned the idea of a Scheme to Factor compiler. 02:26:58 jao, Given the Scheme to C techniques, I'm not sure they'd be totally applicable because I'm not sure plain Factor words support C function semantics, which translators like Gambit and Chicken rely on. 02:27:20 But something along those lines would be interesting. 02:28:08 I think a naive translation of Scheme code to factor words or words + locals would fall short of hitting R5RS semantics. 02:28:18 what is the mzscheme compiler? how do I make an exe from emacs? 02:28:20 I.e. Factor locals are a far cry from full on lambda. 02:29:09 Time for vegan tacos. 02:32:23 *arcfide* rejoices. 02:32:54 A near perfect execution of a proof in PVS for a wonderful homework WIN! 02:32:54 arcfide, Although I'm not a libertarian, I admire your views. :-) 02:33:01 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw304058.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 02:33:37 dharmatech: Do you speak of my political, religious, or technical views? 02:39:27 -!- nicholasw_ [n=nw@ckc-109-187.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [] 02:41:29 dhess [n=user@bothawui.bothan.net] has joined #scheme 02:46:56 arcfide, Hmm... maybe I got my impression from your signature, about government. 02:47:35 By the way, I think that as a U.S. citizen who pays taxes, I'm entitled to a free copy of Chez Scheme. 8-) 02:47:44 -!- melito [n=melito@70.99.250.82] has quit ["Leaving..."] 02:50:39 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw304058.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit ["Leaving..."] 02:52:45 At least we have Ikarus now. :-) 02:54:05 benny` [n=benny@i577A054D.versanet.de] has joined #scheme 02:54:08 flowerpower, were those real questions? 03:00:05 The Larceny manual mentions 'procedure-source-file' but it doesn't seem to actually work. Is there any Scheme implementation which has equivalent functionality? 03:02:09 procedure-source-file? What does it do? 03:04:47 jonrafkind: yes real questions. how do I compile a file? 03:06:17 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:09:21 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A1069.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:10:01 -!- benny` is now known as benny 03:20:22 -!- exexex [n=chatzill@88.234.8.23] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:27:17 -!- dhess [n=user@bothawui.bothan.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 03:27:22 -!- flowerpower [n=hask@h84n3c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has left #scheme 03:32:12 depends on what implementation flowerp...dammit 03:39:10 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-247-175-120.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 03:47:46 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:53:47 hadronzoo_ [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-250-199-194.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 03:58:00 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-71-226-66-93.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:01:08 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-247-175-120.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 04:02:50 -!- mejja [n=user@c-4bb5e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:05:07 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-105-3-67.w193-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 04:07:41 how do "boxes" as return arguments work in PLT? 04:11:44 -!- gweiqi [n=greg@69.120.126.163] has quit ["Leaving."] 04:13:00 rudybot_: eval (define (foo) (box 2)) 04:13:03 rudybot_: eval (foo) 04:13:04 eli: ; Value: #&2 04:13:57 file://localhost/Applications/PLT%20Scheme%20v4.1.4/doc/gui/snip_.html#(meth._(((lib._mred/main..ss)._snip~25)._get-extent)) 04:14:59 rudybot_: eval (define (inc! b) (set-box! b (add1 (unbox b)))) 04:15:05 rudybot_: eval (define b (box 123)) 04:15:09 rudybot_: eval (inc! b) 04:15:10 rudybot_: eval (inc! b) 04:15:14 rudybot_: eval (unbox b) 04:15:14 eli: ; Value: 125 04:15:36 -!- orgy_ [n=ratm_@pD9FFCF7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:16:13 that makes hardly any sense.... 04:16:55 hrm 04:17:02 I suppose that makes enough sense 04:17:12 and the [...] is the optional var syntax? 04:18:12 What sense does it not make? 04:18:37 And yes, []s indicate optionals. 04:20:23 hmm, cool 04:21:49 does PLT's class system have any relation to clos? 04:22:31 ttmrichter_ [n=ttmricht@58.49.18.221] has joined #scheme 04:22:57 No. 04:23:09 Didn't think so 04:23:15 seems kinda complicated 04:23:43 Hi eli 04:24:04 Arelius: which one seems complicated? 04:24:08 dharmatech: Hey. 04:24:17 The PLT class system 04:24:22 or perhaps just powerful... 04:24:56 I hope you're joking. I don't think that there's anything nearly as complex as CLOS. 04:25:21 At least not that I've seen. 04:26:14 JazzScheme comes with a fancy object system. 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#scheme 17:11:05 Hey edw. 17:11:08 How's it going? 17:11:42 hey arcfide, slow pong :) 17:12:03 leppie: Haha, no problem. :-) I just had to laugh at your response to my timings of that one benchmark. 17:12:46 I am guessing that IronScheme doesn't implement much optimization of anything? 17:12:47 yeah ironscheme is slow :| especially on numbers when they get boxed 17:12:55 geckosenator [n=sean@71.237.94.78] has joined #scheme 17:13:21 Well, I think that a lot of optimization happened in that benchmark that basically made it a test of how fast Chez could loop. 17:13:43 i do a little optimization, but I dont really go out of my way to optimize something, only when the code presents me with an oppertunity to do so :) 17:14:12 Since Chez does dead and "useless" code elimination, all the times that he computes values and then does nothing with them, combined with the fact that we know ahead of time exactly the values that are being passed, means that you can get rid of most of the code. 17:14:13 I assume the assigned symbols got discarded anyways 17:14:38 Or at least, a lot of it. 17:14:42 in IronScheme that will not happen (yet) 17:14:46 Hehe. 17:14:51 jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.210.126] has joined #scheme 17:15:04 -!- Pegazus [n=awefawe@host96.200-82-90.telecom.net.ar] has quit [] 17:15:13 Well, I just wanted to say your post gave me quite a chuckle. Though, Scheme48 is pretty slow too, so I wouldn't worry about posting your numbers. 17:15:20 It's not like everyone cares about speed. Most don't. 17:15:24 i did a (values 1 2 3), on the number of repeats you did, took 23 seconds :| 17:15:45 Yeah, that's just a matter of optimization. 17:16:00 but that was just a fast one, I think the constants are being fetched slow 17:16:11 But, yeah, I'm taking off, so, good luck. :-) 17:16:19 i dont have a 'direct' random proc 17:16:22 That's possible. 17:16:47 *arcfide* takes to the road for some ice skating. 17:17:03 im always impressed by even petite chez's performance 17:18:52 -!- papermachine [n=ahoman@61.152.106.169] has left #scheme 17:23:51 -!- ken-p [n=unknown@84.92.70.37] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:25:12 jah [n=jah@86.72.138.50] has joined #scheme 17:27:12 ken-p [n=unknown@84.92.70.37] has joined #scheme 17:27:20 -!- Judofyr [n=Judofyr@c809ABF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:32:31 -!- Cheshire [n=e@amcant.demon.co.uk] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:32:46 Cheshire [n=e@amcant.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 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Doing much in the Scheme world these days? 21:11:45 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bbl"] 21:11:55 -!- notyouravgjoel [n=joelmccr@pool-96-236-174-188.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:17:21 Judofyr [n=Judofyr@c809ABF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #scheme 21:23:05 -!- jmo- [n=jmo-@c-83-233-243-145.cust.bredband2.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:23:21 -!- vorpal [n=rhunter@pdpc/supporter/student/vorpal] has quit ["The incensed priests...continued to raise their voices, vituperating each other in bad Latin"] 21:24:46 -!- rudybot [n=luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:24:47 -!- offby1-quassel [n=quassel@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:29:41 tripwyre_ [n=sathya@117.193.169.133] has joined #scheme 21:30:25 Arelius [n=Indy@209.77.67.98] has joined #scheme 21:35:20 cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #scheme 21:35:46 -!- tripwyre [n=sathya@117.193.169.133] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:39:18 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit ["leaving"] 21:43:54 vorpal [n=rhunter@pdpc/supporter/student/vorpal] has joined #scheme 21:51:47 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:53:34 saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 21:54:52 -!- edw [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:55:16 edw [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 21:57:41 -!- XTL [i=t6haha00@rhea.oamk.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:58:26 XTL [i=t6haha00@rhea.oamk.fi] has joined #scheme 22:02:38 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:03:11 jgg [n=chatzill@FL-ESR1-72-49-142-205.fuse.net] has joined #scheme 22:09:52 -!- gweiqi [n=greg@69.120.126.163] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:11:13 krat3r [n=krat@a213-22-248-178.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #scheme 22:11:19 krat3r_ [n=krat@a213-22-248-178.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #scheme 22:11:28 -!- krat3r_ [n=krat@a213-22-248-178.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:19:46 -!- jgg [n=chatzill@FL-ESR1-72-49-142-205.fuse.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009020911]"] 22:24:46 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:29:18 -!- offby1 [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:30:03 offby1 [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 22:32:55 ejs [n=eugen@94-248-19-63.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #scheme 22:36:50 cknapp [i=43a7d772@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-472532b81ad3ebaf] has joined #scheme 22:38:00 -!- edw [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:38:22 edw [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 22:41:09 -!- jlongster [n=user@c-68-60-1-213.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:45:13 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:45:31 wingo-tp [n=wingo@142.Red-81-39-163.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 22:45:36 good evening! 22:45:48 what is up with sfp this year being in the us, i ask. 22:46:48 Modius_ [n=Modius@ppp-70-251-184-170.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 22:49:08 -!- cknapp [i=43a7d772@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-472532b81ad3ebaf] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 22:49:11 Is there a problem with it being in the us? 22:49:32 i thought i bounced back and forth between europe and north america 22:49:42 i was looking forward to a cheap flight this year 22:49:55 hmm, fair enough 22:50:26 I'd bet it has something to do with MIT choosing to host it. 22:50:38 i'm sure it does deal with someone stepping up to host 22:50:52 although ultimately it's the icfp that decides 22:51:00 (i assume the icfp is in boston too) 22:51:03 this year 22:51:05 Fare [n=Fare@c-98-216-111-110.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:51:17 ah no it's not... 22:51:23 yow. 22:51:44 how irritating. 22:51:46 -!- Modius [n=Modius@adsl-69-149-118-79.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:52:38 edinburgh would be lovely. 22:56:20 d03boy [n=d03boy@CPE-70-94-2-118.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:56:27 -!- d03boy [n=d03boy@CPE-70-94-2-118.wi.res.rr.com] has left #scheme 22:57:23 berat [n=berat@hopper.cs.bilgi.edu.tr] has joined #scheme 22:57:25 hey 22:57:48 are there someone wwho use PLAI scheme ? 22:59:15 what is plai scheme 23:00:10 well this is part of drscheme to write interpreter for scheme 23:01:10 (1) if it's plt scheme, there are probably people here, though plt has its own channel; (2) don't ask to ask, just ask 23:01:23 http://www.cs.brown.edu/~sk/Publications/Books/ProgLangs/2007-04-26/ 23:01:26 look here 23:02:35 what's the channel for PLT scheme? 23:02:48 #scheme 23:03:01 wingo-tp: There is no plt-scheme-specific channel. 23:03:09 anyone know that book 23:03:17 eli: ah ok, i stand corrected. 23:03:20 berat: PLAI is not a Scheme, it's a textbook that uses (PLT) Scheme. 23:03:48 hmm 23:04:17 berat: It also has a package to install onto PLT for stuff that the book uses -- and if you have a problem with that package then it's better to ask on the PLT mailing list (where you can find the author and the people who maintain that package). 23:04:55 okey i understand. 23:05:12 i guess no one knows plai here 23:05:30 dudrenov [n=user@c-69-181-124-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:06:31 berat: I know the book pretty well (I teach a course that is mostly based on it), but not the code that the book uses (I have my own package for my course). 23:07:02 hmm 23:07:20 eli i just about ith 23:07:23 with 23:07:36 do you know anything about that 23:08:36 berat: are you trying to ask a question about `with'? 23:08:56 book writes something "with" {with {x {+ 5 5}} {+ x x}} i wrote this in scheme and it said reference to an identifier before its definition: with 23:09:02 yes eli 23:09:39 i ask about with 23:09:51 This is because it is not Scheme -- it is a form that *you* need to implement in your evaluator. Your evaluator (and most of the evaluators discussed in the book) are not Scheme, so any relationship between the languages is a coincidence. 23:10:42 This is also the reason for that code to use curly braces {} instead of round parentheses () -- round ones are used in Scheme code, and the braces are used to remind you that it's not Scheme code. 23:12:01 Do I remember correctly that curly braces now denote immutable pairs/lists in PLT Scheme? 23:12:50 -!- chupish [i=c03a96bb@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4417d44ff2a7aead] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 23:13:01 i installed plai scheme. How can i use with ? By writing "with" as a function 23:13:20 Riastradh: Only in printout of mutable pairs -- but this is completely unrelated to the PLAI notation. 23:14:07 Riastradh: The PLAI notation is basically a very superficial way to remind students that there are two different languages involved -- but still be able to write expressions in the interpreted language in plain Scheme using the braces. 23:14:14 `Printout'? Do you mean that they are written as, but not read as, immutable pairs? 23:14:22 Riastradh: It precedes mutable pairs. 23:14:34 (Yes, I know that.) 23:14:49 Riastradh: Yes, braces are still read just like other parens. 23:15:11 berat: You need to implement a language that has a `with' form -- that's what the book takes you through. 23:15:24 he should have made it with XML: x5xxx 23:15:32 *Riastradh* falls over. 23:15:58 Fare, how can ii install that 23:16:01 everything is so much better and simpler with XML 23:16:15 heh 23:16:28 oh dear ;) 23:16:40 berat, first, you pick up a plastic salad fork. Next, you fracture it a little bit so that it's even pointier. Finally, you apply the plastic salad fork to your eyeballs. 23:16:44 -!- krat3r [n=krat@a213-22-248-178.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 23:16:46 eli, book use PLAI scheme 23:17:23 berat: Are you doing this as part of some course? 23:18:25 i study the book.Yes PLAI book use in a course in my school 23:19:13 berat: Then I suggest that you go to your teacher and ask these questions. 23:19:21 berat, you might wanna ask for help from your professor/teacher/TA/comrades 23:19:46 berat: It's just that it seems that you're confused at a level where asking for help on irc is much less effective than spending a few minutes with your teacher. 23:21:17 i know that but clock is 1.20 a.m and no chance to reach my teacher unfortunately. 23:21:21 thanks anyway 23:21:49 berat: do your homework earlier 23:22:03 berat, don't confuse language and meta-language 23:23:00 berat: If you have a deadline tonight for a homeork, then I can only repeat Fare's advice... 23:23:11 no homework 23:23:21 Then wait for tomorrow. 23:23:29 okey 23:23:38 (And his second advice about confusing the language and the meta language is very relevant too, but I suspect that you're missing this on a very fundamental level.) 23:23:39 i send an email to course mailing list 23:23:52 hmm 23:24:36 berat, go to bed! 23:26:05 Hm, I wonder if we have logs about my first experiences with Scheme using SCM? 23:26:10 -!- ejs [n=eugen@94-248-19-63.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:26:19 *arcfide* chuckles at the thought. 23:26:59 what's the name of those funky T diagrams that explain language translators? 23:27:24 -!- edw [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:27:27 Fare: You mean, the compiler/program/binary diagrams? 23:27:48 edw [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 23:28:47 I think they're named "T diagrams" :) 23:30:04 -!- vorpal [n=rhunter@pdpc/supporter/student/vorpal] has quit ["The incensed priests...continued to raise their voices, vituperating each other in bad Latin"] 23:30:31 -!- Fare [n=Fare@c-98-216-111-110.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:35:27 *wingo-tp* sleepy. 23:35:38 *Mr-Cat* too 23:37:33 pjb3_ [n=pjb3@c-76-100-98-185.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:41:09 rudybot [n=luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 23:41:37 -!- ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:41:50 ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has joined #scheme 23:43:26 Deniz Seki gozaltin da !!!! 23:43:36 sorryü 23:43:39 sorry for that 23:43:45 -!- berat [n=berat@hopper.cs.bilgi.edu.tr] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:44:47 it's ok 23:46:48 notyouravgjoel [n=joelmccr@pool-96-236-174-188.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:50:01 -!- Judofyr [n=Judofyr@c809ABF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:50:12 dfeuer_ [n=dfeuer@pool-173-66-107-133.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:52:17 -!- pjb3 [n=pjb3@c-76-100-98-185.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:53:09 Judofyr [n=Judofyr@ti0056a341-0415.bb.online.no] has joined #scheme 23:53:17 -!- Judofyr [n=Judofyr@ti0056a341-0415.bb.online.no] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:54:13 -!- Mr-Cat [n=Miranda@bahirkin1507.static.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:59:52 -!- Cheshire [n=e@amcant.demon.co.uk] has quit ["Leaving"]