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Peter Deutsch 03:12:40 pjb3 [n=pjb3@c-76-100-98-185.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:16:09 bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209-161-238-145.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 03:16:18 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209-161-238-145.dsl.look.ca] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:17:20 Mr_Awesome [n=eric@isr5452.urh.uiuc.edu] has joined #scheme 03:24:47 something about recursion 03:26:06 -!- Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:26:23 I have two lists of lists 03:27:14 '((a 1 2 3) (b 2 3 4)) and '((a 6 7 8) (c 8)) 03:27:40 and I want to combine them so that I get 03:28:06 '((a 1 2 3 6 7 8) (b 2 3 4) (c 8)) 03:28:15 none of the ordering matters 03:28:21 what's the best way to do that 03:28:29 I'm having problems for some reason 03:31:34 -!- dlurf [n=no@cust-IP-10.data.tre.se] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 03:31:48 I can assume no single list has duplicates 03:32:14 anyways, here is my code, clearly I'm doing something wrong (other then it likely being a non optimal approach) 03:32:17 Arelius pasted "list merge" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/74706 03:47:32 kuatto [n=kuatto@69-179-100-81.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #scheme 03:58:24 *aspect* would use ASSOC to make that code a bit simpler 03:59:47 rudybot: eval (define (merge xs ys) (map (lambda (x) (let ((y (assoc (car x) ys))) (if y (append x (cdr y)) (cdr y)))) xs)) 04:00:06 rudybot: eval (merge '((a 1 2 3) (b 2 3 4)) '((a 6 7 8) (c 8))) 04:00:06 aspect: error: cdr: expects argument of type ; given #f 04:00:22 rudybot: eval (define (merge xs ys) (map (lambda (x) (let ((y (assoc (car x) ys))) (if y (append x (cdr y)) x))) xs)) 04:00:26 rudybot: eval (merge '((a 1 2 3) (b 2 3 4)) '((a 6 7 8) (c 8))) 04:00:26 aspect: ; Value: ((a 1 2 3 6 7 8) (b 2 3 4)) 04:00:44 oh, whups ... there's a problem :) 04:00:57 but that should get you started 04:03:26 -!- meanburrito920_ [n=John@adsl-76-205-144-154.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:04:49 meanburrito920_ [n=John@adsl-76-205-144-154.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 04:06:20 -!- gweiqi [n=greg@69.120.126.163] has quit ["Leaving."] 04:15:17 grettke [n=grettke@CPE-65-31-142-107.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 04:15:25 thanks 04:16:43 how can i tell if a symbol has been defined or not, so i can enable my own utility code for more sparse implementations; while leaving things disabled for implementations that have them? 04:17:16 you can't 04:17:25 scheme eschews introspection :( 04:18:58 Does it eschew it decidedly? I mean, at some point did they "vote against" it? 04:19:07 so one is simply tied to an implementation then, and has to structure things so comment/unconnect (load ...)s when switching between them? 04:19:21 You can't portably. There's a way to check in many implementations. 04:20:02 e.g. `global-bound?' in chicken 04:21:16 i see, thank you aspect, grettke and foof 04:24:23 johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 04:28:25 underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-154.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 04:29:29 -!- grettke [n=grettke@CPE-65-31-142-107.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [] 04:32:25 -!- mfredrickson [n=mfredric@c-98-212-171-158.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [] 04:33:26 saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 04:34:48 -!- saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:39:43 dmoerner [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-45-71.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 04:44:20 -!- troter [n=troter@nurikabe.timedia.co.jp] has quit ["Leaving..."] 04:47:14 troter [n=troter@nurikabe.timedia.co.jp] has joined #scheme 05:01:55 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 05:05:34 -!- dmoerner [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-45-71.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["leaving"] 05:06:38 dmoerner [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-45-71.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 05:10:34 tjafk1 [n=timj@e176202200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 05:11:31 -!- ffx` [n=ffx@60-241-74-240.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:12:08 -!- Gorgoroth is now known as tropper 05:13:08 -!- tropper is now known as Gorgoroth 05:13:45 -!- dmoerner [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-45-71.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 05:16:43 -!- johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 05:18:54 ffx` [n=ffx@60-241-74-240.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #scheme 05:20:18 cool, my scheme program is finally running. maybe even working. 05:20:54 what does it do, pizza_? 05:22:48 I shall DESTROY your puny program! 05:24:21 synx: it implements the concepts of genetic programming, whereby random expressions are generated, tested for fitness and mutated over many generations as they evolve towards better solutions to the original problem 05:25:27 I thought about doing that once but never figured out how to model it 05:25:35 scheme seemed like a natural language in which to express it 05:25:45 ooh genetic programming 05:25:56 the ultimate in self modifying code 05:26:02 i ported some example code from someone's blog that was in f# 05:26:17 -_- f# 05:26:25 never herad of it 05:26:36 i don't know f#, but f# was close enough to haskell for me to read it 05:26:52 thank goodness 05:26:54 it's microsoft's functional programming language; i didn't know anyone even used it 05:27:06 -!- tjafk2 [n=timj@e176206000.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:27:12 wastrel: just another one of those noveau corporate languages 05:27:13 I've peeked at it 05:27:16 wel 05:27:21 not peer reviewed to say the least 05:27:30 what languages -are- peer reviewed? 05:27:39 you can count the scholars behind it on one hand 05:28:05 offby1: well, r6rs has a committee to pick the committee to review it, for instance 05:28:21 ah. 05:28:24 And how's that working out? 05:28:26 *offby1* ducks 05:29:31 i'm just glad to see that other people loathe their standards just as much as C people hate theirs 05:30:33 I don't loathe standards so much... but I do avoid languages that exist on paid hype alone. 05:30:43 The ones where schools mysteriously get funding to teach classes in them because they are the Way of the Future 05:30:47 i always felt that true genetic programming would involve flipping bits in executing code 05:30:54 It's so shady I just can't get comfortable with the idea. 05:31:03 forkbomb + mutation sort of thing 05:31:08 wastrel: is your DNA modifying itself atm? 05:31:09 wastrel: haha yeah, and give it a few billion years to evolve 05:31:36 yes pizza__ all DNA has a certain mutation rate, depending on radiation exposure, cosmic rays, etc... 05:31:49 not to mention copy errors 05:32:06 DNA evolved many mechanisms to reduce mutation, allowing it to be more stable, but not eliminating the fork bomb entirely. 05:32:31 wastrel: You need to do more than flip bits, you need to allow growing and shrinking code. 05:32:43 it's true 05:33:03 -!- Mr-Cat [n=Mr-Cat@bahirkin1507.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:33:06 well that's true, but those differences are localized, aren't they? (except for malginant cancers or other very bad things) 05:33:22 Evolution also seems to have some ways to advance/slow down evolution in times of need. Presumably these techniques can be evolved, but then again you'll need hundreds of millions of years to get to that point. 05:33:38 dmoerner [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-45-71.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 05:33:52 pizza__: analogy is to microorganisms not to large multicellular eukaryotes 05:34:15 something truly "living" in the computer wouldn't be tweaking scheme code and running in an interpreter 05:34:26 it would be executing on the cpu and any other hardware it could get ahold of 05:34:42 ... and then there's the question of the bombardier beetle o_O 05:34:45 but the analogy gets thin 05:35:36 well the goal is not to create something living; and besides no one can even rigorously what "life" is anyways 05:35:52 rigorously define* 05:35:59 I think the right way to look at it is that the program that "performs" the mutation must also be a candidate for mutation. 05:36:17 foof: indeed, if the concept works that will be the next thing i try ;) 05:36:27 rather, if the implementation works 05:36:37 echo-area [n=user@nat/yahoo/x-c43ddb8d27a7e141] has joined #scheme 05:37:30 truly life could be contained in a scheme interpreter... it just wouldn't have the capability to utilize any resources outside of its boundaries. Much like life here isn't mining asteroid belts due to the high cost of escaping gravity wells. 05:38:43 if you considered the section of the Universe in which you could conceivably travel during your lifetime to be the resource... 05:39:50 what's a lifetime anyway 05:40:05 after I figure out how to reverse entropy all things will be possible 05:40:08 depends on the organism 05:40:24 i am thirsty 05:43:01 -!- kuatto [n=kuatto@69-179-100-81.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:46:56 MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@213.171.48.239] has joined #scheme 05:49:25 incubot: mutate! 05:49:27 i would try to write my code so that i don't need to do that. but if i did need to do that, there are at least 3 different functions -- one that would mutate the original list, one that would give you a partly-new list reusing the old tail, and one to give you an all-new list 05:56:16 -!- jrockway [n=jrockway@stonepath.jrock.us] has quit ["FUCK"] 05:58:29 -!- raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has quit [Remote 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If you have time, try compiling a file that contains the string "Compiled error procedure". 16:07:09 Huh? 16:07:50 Actually, probably nothing bad will happen, because someone accidentally wrote a couple of CONDs in the right order. 16:12:28 langmartin [n=user@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 16:16:37 ventonegro [n=alex@189-94-46-247.3g.claro.net.br] has joined #scheme 16:17:08 -!- synthase [n=synthase@c-69-243-234-165.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Success] 16:18:23 -!- Mr-Cat [n=Miranda@hermes.lanit.ru] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:20:42 -!- higepon289 [n=taro@FL1-122-133-100-227.tky.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:21:16 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:26:32 tripwyre [n=sathya@117.193.166.156] has joined #scheme 16:29:24 Adamant [n=Adamant@AASU-101-61.Armstrong.EDU] has joined #scheme 16:29:38 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:41:55 amoe [n=amoe@cpc1-brig3-0-0-cust512.brig.cable.ntl.com] has joined #scheme 16:43:07 athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has joined #scheme 16:45:56 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has quit [Client Quit] 16:46:12 -!- pjb3 [n=pjb3@c-76-100-98-185.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [] 16:46:25 _fh_ [n=arrakis@213-156-52-126.fastres.net] has joined #scheme 16:48:13 <_fh_> hello, does anybody know about a scheme parser generator that handles grammars with inherited attributes? 16:48:54 jmo- [n=jmo-@83.233.243.145] has joined #scheme 16:48:55 athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has joined #scheme 16:52:09 -!- synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:53:32 -!- tripwyre [n=sathya@117.193.166.156] has quit [] 16:53:48 Riastradh: Aha! A compiler fix! 16:54:01 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 16:55:16 -!- amoe [n=amoe@cpc1-brig3-0-0-cust512.brig.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["leaving"] 16:58:09 mejja: what compiler? 17:00:10 leppie: Lawyer 17:00:23 for shark bait? 17:00:25 :p 17:00:52 *mejja* giggles 17:01:16 at least lawyers are very technical 17:01:52 liar-- a lawyer with a roving commission. 17:02:37 arg I hate slow web stats 17:03:06 i got 25 downloads, and no idea where the news came from as I only posted on my blog, and I dont think I have 25 readers :) 17:04:09 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:05:04 jah [n=jah@139.55.198-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #scheme 17:07:00 ahh i forgot I come up on http://scheme.dk/planet/ 17:09:39 is there a way to short circuit in scheme? 17:10:24 athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has joined #scheme 17:10:31 like.. define (function (lol) #t #f) will return the last evaluation.. which would be #f 17:10:48 notByan, you can use AND 17:10:49 is it possible to make it not evaluate anything beyond a certain point 17:11:02 thats not what I want.. 17:11:13 wy [n=wy@c-98-228-40-51.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:11:43 notByan: something like return in C? 17:11:46 (AND #t #f) gives #f 17:11:47 yes 17:12:10 notByan: http://schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-7.html#%_idx_118 17:12:11 -mr-slave:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/aqgjzb 17:12:11 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/aqgjzb 17:12:36 Judofyr: does something like that exist? 17:12:56 notByan: I'll let anyone else answer that question :P 17:12:59 yes call/cc 17:13:04 *Judofyr* is quite new to Scheme 17:13:29 you can use call/cc to prematurely return from a function 17:13:48 notByan, why don't you paste your procedure but using a made up RETURN form? 17:14:00 you use it similar to how you throw and catch exceptions in other languages 17:14:10 leppie: ah, ok 17:14:24 I knew there was a legit reason for my question =p 17:14:34 Cheshire: I don't have a procedure, it's a hypothetical question 17:15:02 notByan, ok but in specific cases there is often a more straightforward way than CWCC 17:15:12 but it has more power than exceptions, as with an exaception, you can exit to anywhere up the callstack (scheme allows you to even 'recall' that continuation 17:15:15 ) 17:15:39 Cheshire: I agree.. I don't even plan on using it 17:15:53 my prof would prolly hate me >_> 17:15:55 Hello, can I ask a quick emacs question here? 17:15:56 notByan, (not that there is anything wrong with it) 17:16:17 Cheshire: yeah, I realize, but i shouldn't use it unless the situation warraunts it 17:17:06 What's the correct way to set undo-limit? I set it to 10000, but it doesn't seem to hold that much for me. 17:19:04 reference to undefined identifier: call/cc 17:19:04 -!- Daemmerung [n=goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:19:12 Daemmerung [n=goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has joined #scheme 17:19:14 thats interesting >_> 17:19:23 *notByan* shrugs 17:20:24 CALL-WITH-CURRENT-CONTINUATION is the proper name 17:20:34 some people are allegic to typing it out or something 17:20:38 now.. to figure out if a scheme interpreter exists for the TI-89 17:25:33 doesn't seem there is a full featured one =( 17:26:41 tr3 [n=tr3@host28-43-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 17:29:40 -!- Daemmerung [n=goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:29:44 Daemmeru` [n=goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has joined #scheme 17:33:17 -!- thehcdreamer [n=thehcdre@94.198.78.26] has quit [] 17:37:11 Fulax [n=cyprien@pdpc/supporter/student/cnicolas] has joined #scheme 17:38:09 saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 17:38:38 -!- saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Client Quit] 17:43:47 -!- rotty [n=rotty@80-121-87-114.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:48:34 rotty [n=rotty@62-47-183-181.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #scheme 17:51:06 saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 18:03:11 -!- _fh_ [n=arrakis@213-156-52-126.fastres.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:15:47 I want to modify a list.. but I can't seem to find the commands for it.. I know you can do it 18:15:58 can someone give me a keyword to point me in the right direction 18:15:59 -!- saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 18:16:45 R5RS 18:16:47 ah, set-cdr.. 18:16:48 -!- luz [n=davids@139.82.89.70] has quit ["Client exiting"] 18:17:00 r5rs set-car! 18:17:00 http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-9.html#%_idx_398 18:17:01 -mr-slave:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/cr9k7p 18:17:01 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/b3n6ur 18:17:11 if you use that version 18:17:38 with PLT >= 4, you need to build mutable lists, and then use set-mcar!, set-mcdr! 18:17:55 jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.210.126] has joined #scheme 18:19:01 Fulax: that sounds annoying, luckily I am using R5RS 18:19:15 yeah, it's pretty easier :) 18:19:28 can you make your own language in PLT? 18:19:45 Well of course you can. 18:20:35 yep, PLT has the r5rs language also 18:21:04 you can make your own language with just about anything 18:21:32 does scheme use '{' for anything 18:21:44 I've never seen a compelling reason to use set-mcar! or set-mcdr! ... 18:22:05 it seems to me that it would be nice if you could use either { or ( for orginizational purposes 18:22:29 notByan, some scheme allow [ ] to be used as ( ) 18:22:41 Fulax: yeah, I've heard about that.. 18:22:58 but, [ isn't the one I keep accidently typing =p 18:23:12 from __future__ import braces 18:23:13 I might use it though.. 18:23:19 Mr-Cat [n=Mr-Cat@78.107.234.53] has joined #scheme 18:23:39 plt-scheme allows you to use { [ and ( interchangeably, notByan. 18:23:43 hrm. 18:23:55 iirc drscheme autocorrects them 18:23:55 -!- bombshel1er13 [n=bombshel@142.204.133.123] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:23:55 synx: oh, it does? cool 18:23:56 bombshel2er13 [n=bombshel@142.204.133.123] has joined #scheme 18:23:58 r5rs? 18:24:01 {car {list 1 2 3 }} works for me at least. 18:24:02 or not.. 18:24:15 I am guessing no 18:24:15 I'm not sure if it does in r5rs mode. 18:24:23 I guess I' 18:24:24 I'll try it 18:25:01 vim gets very confused when I use them >_> 18:25:02 No r5rs forbids { and it breaks. 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their references at all.. in scheme 19:19:18 notByan, if you could explain what `automatic dynamic programming' is, someone could answer your question. 19:19:20 can two variables point to the same number? 19:19:39 Two variables can have the same value. But two variables cannot share a location for their respective values. 19:19:51 hmm 19:20:17 To be precise: A variable is an association between a name and a location in a lexical environment. (A lexical environment maps names to locations.) The `value of a variable' is the current value stored at the variable's location. Variables do not share locations. 19:20:25 Locations, furthermore, are second-class entities. 19:20:30 notByan: if you need that, you can use a "box" 19:20:42 ventonegro: yeah, I understand 19:20:56 Riastradh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_programming 19:21:05 Riastradh: it's too complicated to explain in here 19:21:26 The location of a variable can be reified, however, with closures. For example, (LET ((X 0)) (LIST (LAMBDA () X) (LAMBDA (V) (SET! X V)))) yields a list of two closures that can be used to fetch X's value and store a new value in its location. 19:21:41 notByan, I know what dynamic programming is; I don't know what you mean by `Lisp doesn't use automatic dynamic programming'. 19:21:58 uhm.. 19:22:04 automatically cache subproblems 19:22:11 so they need not be recalclated 19:22:26 X-Scale [i=email@89-180-71-28.net.novis.pt] has joined #scheme 19:22:46 How about the subproblems (F) in (LIST (F) (F)), where we have (DEFINE F (LET ((X 0)) (LAMBDA () (SET! X (+ X 1)) X)))? 19:23:08 what o.O 19:23:09 Can't do that in the presence of SET!, notByan. 19:23:15 Riastradh: tell me dynamic programming is.. 19:23:15 Hint: (1 1) is not a correct value of (LIST (F) (F)) with that definition of F. 19:23:41 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 19:24:06 Cheshire: If you have destructuring bind for functions, CPS can be even nicer 19:24:19 what does it mean "destructuring bind for functions"? 19:24:38 (destructuring-bind (code environment) procedure ...) 19:25:04 Riastradh: dynamic programming is not self explainitory in the name.. the name is misleading 19:25:35 I am not sure if we're talking about the same thing 19:25:35 notByan, let's assume that we both know what `dynamic programming' is, and let's assume that I still don't know what you mean by `*automatic* dynamic programming'. 19:25:43 but, do you know what it is? 19:25:53 Under these assumptions, it would be reasonable for you to offer an example or precise description of automatic dynamic programming. 19:26:04 Clearly my attempt at an example failed. 19:26:08 uhm 19:26:27 basically, subproblems are cached so they need not be calculated again 19:26:33 *Daemmerung* sighs 19:26:43 Cheshire: I mean a function can be defined with structured arguments like (define (f ((a d) e)) ...) 19:26:48 look, at the fibonachi example on the wiki page 19:26:56 You need not explain `dynamic programming', notByan, although that refers to a more specific instance of what you are describing, which is `memoization'. 19:27:19 wy, oh, like I said earlier that's trivial to implement I can walk you through it if you like 19:27:19 Cheshire: and similarly, let, lambda, ... all do that 19:27:42 Riastradh: so, automatic dynamic programming would be.. automatic caching of subproblems 19:27:52 Subproblems such as (F), for instance, right? 19:28:06 Cheshire: What I want is only an existing way to pass multiple values created without using let-values 19:29:45 -!- tjafk1 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mqt yosafbridge duncanm clog Def wasabi__ maxote danking zbigniew hydrapheetz aspect heat mr_uggla 19:32:07 I mean.. depends on definition of subproblem.. but for it's not what I am talking about 19:32:19 peter_12 [n=peter@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 19:32:54 -!- ventonegro [n=alex@189-94-46-247.3g.claro.net.br] has quit [] 19:33:15 you wouldn't be able to cache that because it's results are based soley on arguments.. 19:33:20 Generally, a subproblem is a problem whose solution is to be used to solve another problem. (Subproblems are sometimes distinguished from reductions, which are problems whose solutions are the solutions to other problems.) 19:35:29 so, if you have.. f(x) = f(x) + 1, f(0) = 0. and then you did f(7).. and then later you did f(9). It should be possible to cache the result to f(7).. so you only need to do it twice in f(9) instead of 9 times. 19:36:06 notByan, this is not by default, you can implement it though 19:36:07 This works only when the subproblems are ineffective and unaffected, or in other words cause no side effects and are affected by no side effects. 19:36:17 I agree 19:36:31 thats what I tried to say before.. but I lacked the language 19:36:53 Deciding in general whether or not a subproblem has effects, or whether or not a subproblem is affected, is hard. 19:37:05 (I'll leave it up to your imagination precisely what `hard' means.) 19:37:34 it should be easy to detect it in simple cases 19:37:48 of course there are cases where it would be practically impossible 19:38:20 but, if you have a simple definition.. f(x) = f(x) + 1 19:38:26 there is no reason you couldn't do it.. 19:38:37 -!- wy [n=wy@c-98-228-40-51.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:39:00 If a compiler can prove a subproblem to be effectless and unaffectable, then it can cache the result without any observable difference in the effects or values of your program. (The time and space that your program takes to run may change, of course.) 19:39:22 so, does it do that? 19:39:34 There are compilers that do this. 19:40:09 However, generally they do only a restricted form of this. 19:40:18 This restricted form is called `common subexpression elimination'. 19:40:20 incubot: Was R6 the answer to the question "if we can have subproblems in scheme, can we also for reasons of consistency, have super problems"? 19:40:22 Subproblems of combinations are not in tail position. So in (LAMBDA (X Y) (+ (* X Y) 1)), the call to + is in a tail position, whereas (* X Y), which is a subproblem, is not in tail position. 19:41:04 the subproblem is (+ (* X Y) 1), not the interior 19:41:48 hmm 19:41:56 well, your not recursing there actually.. 19:42:08 so, it's not a subproblem at all? 19:43:35 As I said, `subproblem' has a more general meaning than just in syntactically recursive definitions. 19:43:36 I feel as though I am ignorant >_> 19:43:42 yeah 19:43:46 well, I misused the term 19:43:52 (* X Y) is a subproblem of (+ (* X Y) 1). 19:44:05 -!- rotty [n=rotty@62-47-183-181.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:44:51 but, if you are related subproblems to dyanimic programming, am I still wrong? 19:45:08 Sorry, I can't parse what you just said. 19:45:19 I suppose what I want, is overlapping subproblems 19:45:36 benny` [n=benny@87.122.0.255] has joined #scheme 19:45:41 -!- benny [n=benny@87.122.0.255] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:45:57 Generally Scheme compilers will not automatically memoize recursive procedures. 19:46:34 anyway 19:46:54 seems what I want to do is kind of weird to do in scheme.. 19:47:10 Such transformation is often not an improvement. For instance, it can lead to unbounded growth in the amount of space used by a procedure definition. (Not used by a single invocation of the procedure, but by the definition of it!) 19:47:23 Suppose, e.g., that I ask for the factorial of a very large number. 19:47:33 notByan, instead of writing (DEFINE FOO (LAMBDA ...)) you can write a memoizer and go (DEFINE FOO (MEMO (LAMBDA ...))) 19:47:48 During the computation of the factorial of this very large number, Scheme computes many other very large numbers as well. 19:47:56 Cheshire: can you give me a more specific example? 19:48:02 or I guess I can google 19:48:05 These very large numbers all occupy space in the heap, but I'm interested only in one of the very large numbers. 19:48:23 notByan, (DEFINE FIB (LAMBDA (N) ...)) ~> (DEFINE FIB (MEMO (LAMBDA (N) ...))) 19:48:41 If Scheme memoizes the invocations of the factorial procedure that yielded all the other very large numbers, they would continue to occupy memory which I want to use for other things! 19:49:47 yeah, but it doesn't need to keep those.. it could use a fully associative cache algorythm.. 19:50:43 -!- tr3 [n=tr3@host28-43-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit ["ciao"] 19:50:56 1MB would probably go a really long way.. 19:51:16 -!- Mr-Cat [n=Mr-Cat@78.107.234.53] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:53:54 there isn't a way to specify execution of code in procedure only if it was called unrecursively, is there? 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I tried to write up bindings for ODBC and i'm slowly making progress, but the C functions in that library are parametrized by macros. For example, instead of (char*) they have (SQLCHAR*). They are system-dependent. Is there a way to write the bindings portably in this situation? 20:51:46 So far I just hard-coded the substitutions of those C macros with their values relevant to my platform, but this means that this code will not be portable 20:52:03 You lose. 20:52:33 Sorry. That's the cost of insisting on a purely dynamic FFI. 20:52:41 Ah 20:52:43 :) 20:52:49 pizza_: is that for Chicken? 20:53:37 If so, http://chicken.wiki.br/Unit%20extras#Formatted%20output 20:54:46 So this means all the PLT Scheme bindings that use dynamic FFI must reverse-engineer the macro logic and express it in scheme if they want to be portable? There is no CPP-replacement library built into PLT Scheme that can read those header files? 20:57:12 Can't you just .. not use the same source code on every platform? 20:57:33 well, you could have a purely dynamic FFI that dynamically calls GCC... 20:57:48 doesn't Goo do that? 20:58:01 Here `dynamic FFI' implies independence from the C compiler, Fare. 20:58:34 zbigniew: thanks 20:58:41 toyvo: you need a good chunk of a C compiler to really make sense of C headers 20:58:57 toyvo: so you might as well use a real C compiler 20:59:35 pizza_: you%27re%20welcome 21:00:02 :) 21:01:06 Thanks. I see - this is not trivial. Sorry for basic questions - I'm just learning this stuff, this is about the second time I dealt with C, and about time to. Thanks for the help. I'll take the advice and not write the same code for every platform. 21:01:25 That's silly. 21:01:50 Nobody writing C code has to write different code for different platforms because of your SQL library. 21:03:13 rntz [n=marntzen@WEH5207-06.WEH.ANDREW.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 21:03:38 Riastradh: well for me the situation looks like i'm not skilled enough/ have resources to make it portable, so i won't. I was just asking if there is a reasonable way to deal with portability, and it appears that no. Did i miss something? 21:03:39 -!- sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:03:57 sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 21:05:46 The reasonable way to deal with portability is to ask a C compiler for help. 21:06:44 Now, this might mean writing wrappers for many routines you want to call. The wrappers accept arguments in types that PLT's FFI knows how to deal with, and defer to the C compiler to pass arguments of those types correctly to the library routines. 21:07:06 Or this might mean writing a Scheme program to write a C program to write a Scheme program that knows the platform-specific values you're interested in. 21:07:31 mejja [n=user@c-4bb5e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 21:07:33 Or this might mean persuading the authors of PLT's FFI that what you want is actually important, and that the FFI should support it. 21:07:34 right. and a dependency on a c compiler (or at least cpp) and headers 21:07:38 mbishop [n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop] has joined #scheme 21:07:47 interesting option 21:07:58 hm... would the following be called a quine, or just a hack? 21:08:00 (let* [(cell '(quote)) (template `(lambda () (eval ,cell)))] (set-cdr! cell (list template)) (eval template)) 21:08:15 rudybot: eval (let* [(cell '(quote)) (template `(lambda () (eval ,cell)))] (set-cdr! cell (list template)) (eval template)) 21:08:16 Cheshire: error: reference to undefined identifier: set-cdr! 21:08:28 rudybot: init r5rs 21:08:28 samth: your sandbox is ready 21:08:34 rudybot: eval (let* [(cell '(quote)) (template `(lambda () (eval ,cell)))] (set-cdr! cell (list template)) (eval template)) 21:08:34 samth: error: eval:1:6: read: illegal use of open square bracket 21:08:35 I'd call it `broken' until you pass an environment to EVAL as it requires, rntz. 21:08:52 rudybot: init r5rs 21:08:52 Cheshire: your sandbox is ready 21:08:53 rudybot: eval (let* ((cell '(quote)) (template `(lambda () (eval ,cell)))) (set-cdr! cell (list template)) (eval template)) 21:08:53 samth: error: procedure meval: expects 2 arguments, given 1: #0={lambda () {eval {quote #0#}}} 21:09:12 -!- jmo- [n=jmo-@83.233.243.145] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:09:19 Try passing (SCHEME-REPORT-ENVIRONMENT 5). 21:09:43 Riastradh: fair enough 21:09:50 rudybot: init r5rs 21:09:50 rntz: your sandbox is ready 21:10:07 rudybot: (let* ((cell '(quote)) (template `(lambda () (eval ,cell)))) (set-cdr! cell (list template)) (eval template (scheme-report-environment 5))) 21:10:07 rntz: ? 21:10:12 rudybot: eval (let* ((cell '(quote)) (template `(lambda () (eval ,cell)))) (set-cdr! cell (list template)) (eval template (scheme-report-environment 5))) 21:10:15 rntz: error: evaluator: terminated (out-of-memory) 21:10:34 interesting. what does rudybot run? 21:10:42 You didn't adjust both calls to EVAL, rntz 21:10:42 . 21:10:54 Riastradh: true, but that's probably not the problem here. 21:11:09 rudybot: init r5rs 21:11:09 rntz: your sandbox is ready 21:11:15 rudybot: eval (let* ((cell '(quote)) (template `(lambda () (eval ,cell (scheme-report-environment 5)))) (set-cdr! cell (list template)) (eval template (scheme-report-environment 5))) 21:11:15 rntz: error: eval:1:0: read: expected a `)' to close `(' 21:11:31 Don't mutate constants. 21:11:43 Write (LIST 'QUOTE) if you want to modify its value, not '(QUOTE). 21:12:27 rudybot: eval (let* ((cell (list 'quote)) (template `(lambda () (eval ,cell (scheme-report-environment 5))))) (set-cdr! cell (list template)) (eval template (scheme-report-environment 5))) 21:12:28 jgracin__ [n=jgracin@82.193.210.126] has joined #scheme 21:12:28 rntz: rudybot is running plt scheme 21:12:28 rntz: error: with-limit: out of memory 21:12:56 huh. it worked in mzscheme 352. I suppose they've changed it in the meantime, although that's a perfectly reasonable response. 21:13:09 -!- toyvo [n=toyvo@161-112-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has left #scheme 21:18:57 -!- Fulax [n=cyprien@pdpc/supporter/student/cnicolas] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:21:44 -!- jgracin_ [n=jgracin@82.193.210.126] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:23:35 chupish [n=sedwards@waffle.aip.org] has joined #scheme 21:23:36 -!- exexex [n=chatzill@88.234.190.12] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:29:42 exexex [n=chatzill@88.234.190.12] has joined #scheme 21:32:13 rntz: there may be some limitations w.r.t the sandbox, too 21:33:46 incubot: my wife threatened to make candida bread; until i told her, "that's the wrong kind of yeast" 21:33:48 I've wandered around downtown Montreal at all hours of the day and night for years, and not once did I ever feel unsafe or threatened. I couldn't even manage to get lost. 21:34:36 incubot: getting drunk is usually a good way to get lost. 21:34:38 in the ideal, if your code is thoroughly tested, you can get drunk and stoned, and then go hack on your code in any random way whatever, and not have to worry about breaking anything, because the tests will tell you if you did. 21:35:29 incubot: sure, if you can read test results or remember how you are supposed to run them while drunk. 21:35:31 I don't remember what the temple looked like... it was big stone and round though. 21:35:49 incubot: you mean stoned?!? 21:35:51 (Harry's a Pothead and the Sourcerer's Stoned) 21:36:04 incubot: hear, hear! 21:36:06 I havent read the comic and so cannot make that judgement call but I hear you; I feel rather the same way about Blade Runner compared to its source material. 21:36:07 -!- peter_12 [n=peter@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [] 21:37:10 incubot: Bladerunner's source material is excellent as well, you dipshit! 21:37:40 incubot, some guys manage to get shot by the police, in Montreal 21:37:54 but by and large, your biggest enemy is the DAMN COLD 21:38:15 minion: chant 21:38:16 MORE LIKELY 21:38:20 drunks never freeze to death. 21:39:08 allotrope [n=allotrop@weapons.cs.byu.edu] has joined #scheme 21:40:29 -!- allotrope [n=allotrop@weapons.cs.byu.edu] has left #scheme 21:40:36 MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has joined #scheme 21:41:46 klutometis: candida bread? aka gluten free? 21:43:28 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bbl"] 21:53:21 -!- incubot [n=incubot@66-215-93-47.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:53:31 incubot [n=incubot@66-215-93-47.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has joined #scheme 21:55:38 -!- jgracin__ [n=jgracin@82.193.210.126] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:03:35 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:04:01 athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has joined #scheme 22:10:41 peter_12 [n=peter@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 22:16:51 -!- incubot [n=incubot@66-215-93-47.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:19:08 incubot [n=incubot@66-215-93-47.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has joined #scheme 22:23:22 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-170-32.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [No route to host] 22:24:50 dmoerner [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-45-71.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 22:24:50 proq: glutens are still there; she just proposed swapping out the saccharomyces 22:25:02 forcer [n=forcer@e179194109.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 22:25:22 -!- choas [n=lars@p5B0DDA6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 22:28:17 -!- chupish [n=sedwards@waffle.aip.org] has quit ["leaving"] 22:29:37 arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-137-203-69.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 22:29:41 Good afternoon everyone. 22:30:15 Boo. 22:30:38 Boo. 22:30:49 *arcfide* grabs a band-aid. 22:31:09 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-71-226-66-93.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:33:52 -!- sjamaan [n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:34:34 klutometis: oh. is that just for achieving a special flavor? 22:36:53 Maybe /Candida milleri/-- one of the biota in a sourdough culture. 22:40:19 raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has joined #scheme 22:44:24 incubot: is there anything Daemmerung doesn't know? 22:44:26 macro expander probably doesn't get invoked on the code part 22:45:27 halfcore [i=noam@ip136-63-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #scheme 22:46:57 -!- halfcore [i=noam@ip136-63-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #scheme 22:48:48 dfeuer [n=David@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #scheme 22:49:02 I'm a baker, is all. 22:50:49 -!- Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:51:59 -!- rntz [n=marntzen@WEH5207-06.WEH.ANDREW.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:55:21 amca [n=amca@CPE-121-208-81-104.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #scheme 22:55:30 morphir [n=morphir@217.168.81.9] has joined #scheme 22:56:14 *morphir* points a gun towards vectors head and asks: why do you call this guy vector and not a array? 22:57:19 because it's an array of pointers 22:57:22 Because arrays tend to be only of a single type? 22:58:31 borism_ [n=boris@195-50-197-134-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has joined #scheme 23:00:10 Because the word sounds nicer? 23:00:38 forcer- [n=forcer@e177138184.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 23:02:42 Daemmerung: close; candida albicans 23:04:48 -!- borism [n=boris@195-50-197-82-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 23:04:50 Euw. 23:05:44 yes, yes; that was the whole joke 23:06:24 *klutometis* hates to explicate the punch line 23:06:29 Double euw. 23:06:43 heh 23:07:25 without looking that up, i hope you're not talking about what I think you are 23:07:46 He is, he is. Purulent discharges and all that. 23:07:48 yeah. great. ;) 23:08:04 -!- langmart` [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (devel) (IRC client for Emacs)"] 23:08:12 *Daemmerung* leaves to feed his candida+lactobacillus collection and try to forget 23:08:28 waiter, there's a bacillus in my soup 23:11:17 zbigniew: that will cost you a dollar extra, thank you 23:14:55 -!- forcer [n=forcer@e179194109.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:17:34 -!- exexex [n=chatzill@88.234.190.12] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:23:56 Daemmerung: as far as i can tell, you're on your way to fulfilling heinlein's "specialization is for insects" directive 23:25:26 incubot: successful people seem to be irritable and slightly autistic; though those be necessary but not sufficient qualities 23:25:28 He's nowhere near autistic. 23:31:50 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 23:32:21 incubot: Dolph Lundgren is not irritable 23:32:23 it features dolph lundgren. nuff said. 23:35:18 incubot: he was totally irritable in rocky iv 23:35:20 the sun is a barely-noticable luminance gradient in the grey -- I am irritable today it seems 23:37:38 a bad case of candida albicans will make anyone irritable - psychotic even 23:41:32 bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209-161-238-145.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 23:41:38 incubot: candida has that ring of truth 23:41:40 ring and a squeegee were lodged in my throat / Placed there by actions unwary / Extracting the pair showed them to be contrary: / Neither would deign to come out. 23:43:58 morphir, in the unwritten Lisp lexicon, a vector is usually a unidimesional array. 23:43:58 kraant [n=kraant@CPE-58-161-128-2.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #scheme 23:44:03 a strange bot; the only way to win is not to say 23:45:00 aha, alaricsp was right 23:45:41 About the vectors? 23:46:36 -!- orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFF592.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:47:22 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-132-189-132.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:47:30 Riastradh: I'm dejected on a weekly basis after apprehending that you haven't expanded "Funny Characters" to include forward slashes. 23:49:18 Have you observed the uncanny trend that the file's last change was on the twenty-seventh of June, in the two thousand and seventh year since some catholic bureaucrats arbitrarily designated on their calendars? Bizarrely, that date hasn't changed in nearly two years. 23:49:33 (The date of the file's last change, I mean, not the other one I mentioned.) 23:51:12 Clearly, to change the file now would interrupt the trend and upset some kind of balance in the universe. 23:51:31 *pizza__* falls off his chair 23:52:14 -!- jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:52:51 dzhus [n=sphinx@93-80-236-53.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 23:53:18 Riastradh: Indeed; but then I'm seized upon by the fantasy that you've surreptitiously edited the file TOUCHed it to reflect some past date. 23:53:45 -!- dzhus [n=sphinx@93-80-236-53.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 23:54:59 AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable087.62-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 23:55:30 And that this artificial show of idleness would outwit Holmes by some secondary or tertiary effect. 23:56:01 Outwit? Outidle, I should imagine.