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It's a small step towards making one's OS sane 04:01:39 elmex_ [n=elmex@e180066144.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 04:02:36 geckosenator [n=sean@adsl-68-73-100-241.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 04:05:54 offby1: Keeping /etc under version control is an old custom, but not nearly the same as keeping multiple versions of all installed software. 04:06:42 yeah, like I said: a small step. 04:10:32 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-240-155.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 04:17:45 -!- elmex [n=elmex@e180067007.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:17:46 -!- elmex_ is now known as elmex 04:19:22 -!- gweiqi [n=greg@69.120.126.163] has quit ["Leaving."] 04:30:56 karlw [n=user@cpe-76-168-206-252.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 04:32:34 -!- karlw [n=user@cpe-76-168-206-252.socal.res.rr.com] has left #scheme 04:38:58 -!- luz [n=davids@201.29.192.9] has quit ["Client exiting"] 04:55:34 rtra [n=rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has joined #scheme 05:17:13 mikemorr [n=mikemorr@pdpc/supporter/base/mikemorr] has joined #scheme 05:19:13 Hmm, http://www.htdp.org/ seems to be down again :( 05:27:41 -!- tjafk1 [n=timj@e176223170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:27:58 tjafk1 [n=timj@e176210046.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 05:28:52 is symbol->string and string->symbol interpreted scheme only? 05:29:11 i can't wrap my head around how I can create an arbitrary string on the fly, and look it up in a given environment in a compiled scheme 05:29:25 unless lookups are 'dynamic', and not bound at compile time 05:29:47 like, in C code, whenever i have a variable, the compiler, at compile time, can know which location in memory to read/store that variable from 05:30:00 (on the stack anyway) 05:31:42 hml: you're confusin' me, son 05:32:03 symbol->string should work regardless if the code is compiled or interpreted 05:32:14 so in compileds cheme 05:32:23 does every variable lookup require a string comparison? 05:32:30 (as opposed to just looking up a location in memory) ? 05:32:47 naw, I think it's just a pointer comparison or something. 05:32:57 okay, but a bunch of pointer comparisons 05:33:06 don't really know how it works, and it might vary depending on the compiler. 05:33:09 like: is this var's pointer == the first one, no; the second one; no, the third one; okay, we found it 05:33:13 (or maybe they binary search) 05:33:18 yeah 05:33:20 they could hash 05:33:22 I don't think variable lookup has anything to do with either strings or symbols, though 05:33:25 oooh 05:33:33 hashing always gets me 05:33:36 I used a hash table 05:33:41 when I wrote a interpreter 05:33:48 crappy theory conditions, but always useful in practice, except I always forget to use them 05:33:54 I learned to appreciate hash tables from using Perl for a coupla years. 05:35:32 besides macros & continuations, what else can i use if i were to enter an obfuscated scheme contest? 05:36:02 bad phrasing question: I mean; what are other really dangerous tools in scheme that if improperly used, can result in unreadable code, but if properly used, blows the mind? 05:36:05 those aren't obfuscated 05:36:07 hml: be sure to redefine quasiquote, unquote and unquote-splicing 05:36:17 lol 05:36:25 ande quote 05:36:40 -!- jso [n=user@151.159.200.8] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:36:55 use set! a lot to obfuscate 05:37:35 hml: damn, asking "how can I obfuscate code" is sort of like asking "how can I destroy this sand castle". There are  ways. 05:38:19 heh 05:38:38 maybe you could write an obfuscator 05:38:45 that was always my favorite 05:39:03 it performs logical transformations on code without changing the results 05:39:13 then run it on itself several times and submit to the contest 05:39:44 yeah, name every variable "x", "xx", "x3", etc. 05:40:01 oh 05:40:05 I mean like convert let to lambda 05:40:11 or there must be better ones 05:40:18 like make it convert code to use the y combinator 05:40:31 *shrug* 05:40:45 convert recursion to use continuations 05:46:59 ozy` [n=vt920@pool-71-184-104-97.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 05:47:28 rudybot: eval ((lambda'x'x)add1 2) 05:47:29 foof: ; Value: 3 05:50:19 haven't seen that 05:51:14 oh I see 05:51:18 quote gets bound 05:52:59 rudybot: (let('add1)'2) 05:53:10 rudybot: Eval (let('add1)'2) 05:53:10 foof: ; Value: 3 05:54:55 foof: you're making my brain hurt. Stop it. 05:55:06 rudybot: eval (let('/)'2) 05:55:06 foof: ; Value: 1/2 05:55:19 noooo 05:55:53 -!- mikemorr [n=mikemorr@pdpc/supporter/base/mikemorr] has left #scheme 05:56:18 rudybot: eval (call/cc ') 05:56:18 geckosenator: error: eval:1:10: read: unexpected `)' 05:56:26 oh 05:56:59 it burrrnnnnsssss 05:57:27 offby1: figure out how to do what foof was doing only using call/cc 05:57:37 never! 05:57:51 y'all spray graffiti on your own houses 05:58:45 rudybot: eval (let(`-'/)`'.2) 05:58:45 foof: ; Value: -5.0 05:59:17 foof: if rudybot runs off and joins the Hare Krishnas, it'll be your fault 06:01:00 wartalker [n=wartalke@222.129.27.30] has joined #scheme 06:01:34 overlordpuppy [n=adrien@pool-71-124-117-108.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 06:01:35 what is the function to cal log3(5) 06:01:56 wartalker: (/ (log 5) (log 3)) ? 06:01:56 Is there a scheme gtk library/api? 06:04:09 3 is in the bottom, my english is bad 06:04:47 rudybot: eval ((cut * 2 <>)2) 06:04:47 foof: error: reference to undefined identifier: cut 06:05:46 geckosenator: 3 is suffix 06:06:50 rudybot: eval (format "~S" 3) 06:06:50 foof: ; Value: "3" 06:08:07 minion: gtk? 06:08:08 gtk: Gtk (GTK+) is a Graphics Toolkit written in C, primarily developed for use with the X Window System. http://www.cliki.net/gtk 06:09:05 overlordpuppy: have you heard of geda? 06:09:14 overlordpuppy: it uses scheme and gtk 06:09:16 foof: to get cut, you need to require srfi/26 06:09:32 *geckosenator* goes back to hacking gcc 06:09:35 rudybot: eval (require srfi/26) 06:09:36 rudybot: eval ((cut * 2 <>)2) 06:09:36 offby1: ; Value: 4 06:10:50 geckosenator: I think I have. I just can't remember if I'm thinking Geda or Geta (a japanese style wooden platform sandal) 06:16:48 rudybot: eval (let(`/,add1'round)(format"~X"(*'`.3'`.2'`.06,,,'`.0042))) 06:16:48 foof: error: format: format string requires argument of type , given 61455.0; other arguments were: "~X" 06:17:02 rudybot: eval (let(`/,add1'round)(format"~X"(inexact->exact(*'`.3'`.2'`.06,,,'`.0042)))) 06:17:02 foof: ; Value: "f00f" 06:17:26 :) 06:17:36 heh 06:17:48 geckosenator: Ah, an electronics design software, yes, I'd already installed geda. Maybe I'll get the source package and take a look at it. 06:17:58 overlordpuppy: it uses guile though 06:18:52 I was hoping for mit-scheme, that's what I us.e 06:19:01 well 06:19:16 your going to have to do some work 06:20:58 rudybot: eval (let(`/,add1'round)(number->string(*'`.3'`.2'`.06,,,'`.0042)16)) 06:20:58 foof: error: number->string: inexact numbers can only be printed in base 10 06:21:06 -_-; dang. I just wanted to post an article on my site. Looks like I've got more work to do than I intended to do. 06:27:47 oh wow 06:27:58 my first real job was in electronic design automation software 06:28:12 really 06:28:15 using scheme? 06:29:20 I wish I had the smarts for electronics design, but sadly, I'm just an amateur hobby type. 06:32:38 u 06:32:44 you don't need smarts 06:32:51 well, I do it anyway 06:34:01 geckosenator: naw, this was ages ago; it was all C :-| 06:34:25 oh 06:34:40 I only had one real job, but I'm done with jobs 06:35:01 Why, I remember my little company paying $3,000 for a 600Mb external hard drive 06:35:05 that's for real, by the way. 06:35:20 hm 06:35:27 Well, you need to know at least the basic properties of electricity. . . I know nothing of resistance or the like. . . Just that I can hook wires to the + and - sides of a power source and make something do work at the end. 06:35:39 you don't need to know that 06:35:41 that's a start 06:35:55 you don't even need a single resistor to make some stuff 06:35:56 -!- ozy` [n=vt920@pool-71-184-104-97.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:36:05 -!- ttmrichter [n=ttmricht@221.234.215.226] has quit [Connection timed out] 06:36:14 and if you write a scheme program to generate the schematic for you 06:36:28 I built a little toy car thing and posted articles about it on my blog, but I didn't use any gears or belts to adjust the speed/torque ratio. 06:36:29 but.. I didn't know anything about chemistry a month ago 06:36:38 and I managed to isolate and crystalize various chemicals 06:37:07 I know at least 1 important skill, salvaging parts. 06:37:16 isomer`` [n=isomer@CPE001310e6cb31-CM0011aec5e684.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 06:38:21 ttmrichter [n=ttmricht@221.234.214.67] has joined #scheme 06:39:38 Here's a picture of the guts. The switch is a dpdt. http://robotresearch.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/caps.jpg 06:40:21 kniu [n=kniu@cpe-76-169-196-197.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 06:41:53 -!- ttmrichter [n=ttmricht@221.234.214.67] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:44:11 -!- isomer [n=isomer@CPE001310e6cb31-CM0011aec5e684.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:50:46 -!- hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:55:32 -!- overlordpuppy [n=adrien@pool-71-124-117-108.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #scheme 07:03:16 -!- kniu [n=kniu@cpe-76-169-196-197.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 07:14:13 -!- jcowan [n=jcowan@cpe-74-68-154-18.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:16:33 rudybot: seen jcowan 07:16:34 offby1: jcowan was seen in/on #scheme nine hours, twenty-three minutes ago, saying "U+000C, same as in ASCII.", and then jcowan was seen quitting in/on cpe-74-68-154-18.nyc.res.rr.com two minutes, twenty-one seconds ago, saying "Remote closed the connection" 07:20:47 Why "in/on?" 07:21:12 kniu [n=kniu@pool-71-107-51-222.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 07:21:45 can't remember :-| 07:22:18 I think sometimes it reports a channel name, for which "in" is appropriate; and sometimes it's a hostname, for which "on" seems better 07:26:01 tizoc [n=user@r190-135-2-7.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 07:35:44 -!- tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-29-128.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:38:12 foof, Nix also didn't work very well when I tried to use it. 07:39:34 There were double-free bugs at least on OS X, every query required evaluating every expression in the collection, the privilege separation hardly worked, and most of it was highly Linux-oriented. 07:42:56 http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/12/msg01027.html is an interesting, but at times very debian-specific view on nix 07:53:20 overlordpuppy [n=adrien@pool-71-124-117-108.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 07:55:27 I'm looking through some scheme documentation right now, but I figure the channel can yield results faster than me searching this PDF. In mit-scheme I do this: (- 1.10 1.05), but it returns ;Value: 5..0000000000000044e-2. Is there any particular reason why? 07:57:50 I realize this is the value that I'm looking for, it's just expressed in a strange way. Something in this scheme pdf is talking about floating point inexactness, is this such a case? 08:04:35 The reason is that there is no exact binary floating-point representation of the numbers 1.05 and 1.10. 08:04:56 If you want an exact representation, use rational numbers, rather than floating-point numbers. You can do this by writing fractions or by prefixing #e to your number literals. 08:05:02 rudybot: eval (- 1.10 1.05) 08:05:02 Riastradh: ; Value: 0.050000000000000044 08:05:09 rudybot: eval (- #e1.10 #e1.05) 08:05:09 Riastradh: ; Value: 1/20 08:05:31 -!- ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:05:32 rudybot: eval (- 11/10 105/100) 08:05:33 Riastradh: ; Value: 1/20 08:06:27 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit ["Leaving"] 08:06:53 Thanks for all the info. However, what should I do for money calculations? 08:07:34 Well, that depends. Are you in a film called _Office Space_? 08:07:54 I do have the ISO image mounted from my media drive. . . 08:08:19 I always mess up the mundane details... 08:16:53 vixey [n=vicky@amcant.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 08:26:35 bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 08:29:13 -!- overlordpuppy [n=adrien@pool-71-124-117-108.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #scheme 08:30:37 -!- bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:33:52 -!- drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:39:13 bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 08:40:22 fschwidom [n=fschwido@dslb-088-069-167-076.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 08:50:04 barney [n=bernhard@p549A1ED4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 08:50:57 bpalmer [n=user@unaffiliated/bpalmer] has joined #scheme 08:51:58 sam_ [n=Sami__@a91-153-217-159.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 09:10:42 -!- kniu [n=kniu@pool-71-107-51-222.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:23:10 kniu [n=kniu@pool-71-107-51-222.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 09:35:36 jso [n=user@host-9-143-107-208.midco.net] has joined #scheme 09:37:41 ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has joined #scheme 09:44:49 bpt_ [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 09:45:09 -!- bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:46:35 vasa [n=vasa@mm-178-89-84-93.dynamic.pppoe.mgts.by] has joined #scheme 09:47:28 -!- bpt_ is now known as bpt 09:48:08 drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 09:57:07 -!- wartalker [n=wartalke@222.129.27.30] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:58:51 wartalker [n=wartalke@61.49.230.117] has joined #scheme 10:03:53 drdo` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 10:11:47 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-240-155.dsl.look.ca] has quit [] 10:18:41 -!- drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Connection timed out] 10:18:51 Riastradh: I'm pretty fed up with OS X anyway. 10:19:03 anitharx [n=cedric@91.142.56.44] has joined #scheme 10:19:41 -!- sam_ [n=Sami__@a91-153-217-159.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 10:25:27 *foof* declares it beer-o-clock 10:32:07 amca [n=amca@CPE-121-208-81-104.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #scheme 10:33:29 Most software is insanely bloated anyway. On my mac, Firefox is 50MB, Emacs is >150MB, almost nothing in /Applications is <10MB. 10:33:49 Keeping multiple versions of all these really will start to use up serious disk space. 10:34:00 all the software crashes all the time 10:34:06 That too :) 10:34:11 (also true of linux and windows though) 10:34:19 *foof* takes a drink 10:35:25 dmoerner: interesting message, thanks 10:35:49 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@gateway.publicvpn.net] has joined #scheme 10:37:10 hmmm... in the Americas it's 2:30am-5:30am... need to get the Europeans talking 10:38:06 foof: Where are you from? 10:39:48 sam_ [n=Sami__@a91-153-217-159.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 10:40:13 From? Born? Grew up? Currently residing? Location at this moment? 10:40:42 Id take all of the above, but currently would be fine. 10:41:11 My desk. 10:43:43 You've claimed it as your own sovreign state, eh? :) 10:44:01 foof: time to promote shared libraries again? 10:45:50 amca: I've claimed the world as my own sovreign state, but no one seems to take notice :/ 10:45:53 I always want to count how many Autodin II CRC reimplementations are in my $(LOCALBASE). 10:46:16 *amca* politely bows in mock-subserience to foof 10:46:26 (subservience) 10:49:21 tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-2-69.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 10:53:24 brandy butter on toast 10:53:44 vixey: Yes, please. 10:53:56 *vixey* wonders if it would be greedy to have another... 10:54:07 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A20FA.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:54:34 -!- fschwidom [n=fschwido@dslb-088-069-167-076.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:57:53 -!- tizoc 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18:37:30 What a merry coincidence. 18:37:31 wow, it's gnomon_ 18:37:34 don't see him much 18:37:40 (call-without-cthulhu (current-continuation)) 18:38:20 Indeed not - only when dhcpd hauls itself from the loamy earth and shambles off to overrides my static IP config, rendering my NAT'd machine inaccessible via SSH. 18:38:50 Use a dynamic DNS updater. 18:39:05 (that's the main reason I haven't been around lately, in fact; I haven't had a chance to conduct any physical maintenance on the box yet because family was sleeping in the room) 18:39:13 You've set a static IP, and yet DHCP clobbers it anyway? 18:39:17 Riastradh, that's one way around it, sure. 18:39:28 ...wait, static IP? Huh? 18:39:35 offby1, yes. I ifconfig'd up a static IP but apparently forgot to disable dhcpd, and the lease time expired. 18:39:36 perhaps I'm misreading 18:39:40 Riastradh, static IP behind a NAT. 18:39:49 oh, you forgot to disable it. That might do it. 18:40:00 Configure a fixed-address lease on the DHCP server. 18:40:08 Yes, because I'm a drooling nincomtwidiot. 18:40:46 Riastradh, that's unavailable in the standard firmware of the router and I haven't yet installed an open firmware alternative. That's in the cards, but it's frankly lower in priority than restoring SSH connectivity. 18:41:02 `Standard firmware of the router'? 18:41:12 This isn't a showstopper bug, merely an inconvenience that I've been unable to address for the past few days. 18:41:48 Pick up a junk i386 machine with a PCI slot, find an extra NIC, and install a sensible operating system on the machine. 18:42:13 Riastradh, my network is roughly {internet} <-> Asus WL-500gp <-> gigabit switch <*> main machine, game consoles, backup machines, guest machine(s) 18:42:34 Bah, there's no need: that router is actually beefy enough to run vanilla Debian. 18:42:47 It's not a matter of hardware but of time to monkey with it! :) 18:43:01 So find an afternoon. What're you doing right now? 18:43:07 Working. 18:43:15 Very hard, I see. 18:43:19 Very. 18:43:19 snarky snarky 18:43:23 *gnomon_* nods vigorously 18:44:16 So what new and exciting things have been happening that I've missed? 18:45:00 `Just the place for a snark!' the Bellman cried, As he landed his crew with care; Supporting each man on the top of the tide By a finger entwined in his hair. 18:45:28 `Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice: That alone should encourage the crew. Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice: What I tell you three times is true.' 18:45:48 damn, I never read that. 18:45:54 Dunno why not. 18:45:56 offby1, truly? 18:46:05 truly 18:46:12 I'll snailmail you a copy of my annotated version, if you'd like. It's nothing short of delightful. 18:46:37 Annotated by gnomon, or annotated by one Mr Martin Gardner? 18:46:40 oh, I'm sure it's on the 'net somewhere. I _think_ it's old enough so that Disney hasn't retroactively copyrighted it up the wazoo. 18:47:30 Riastradh, the latter, I'm afraid; although there are any number of personal comments I'd like to make in my copy, I just can't bring myself to mark up its pristine pages. 18:47:49 offby1, 'tis, but that misses all the fun! 18:48:53 gnomon_: you must live next door to the Post Office, or else your Post Office isn't as miserable as ours. I wouldn't offer to snailmail anything bigger than a letter to anyone. 18:49:17 *offby1* 's head still rings with the pain of his wife's attempt to complete an eBay transaction via USPS 18:49:24 I do actually live next to a post office, or at least a postal outlet. 18:49:26 Remember that he's in the People's Republic of Canada, offby1, not down here in Jesus Land. 18:49:41 Commie thugs. 18:50:09 Don't disrespect our glorious Canuckistanian northlands or our benevolent and all-seeing leaders! 18:50:09 well, yes, I know 18:50:23 by "ours" I mean "USPS in general" 18:51:42 Leaders? Where, gnomon_? I thought they were all exiled until January. 18:51:51 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:52:19 Parliament fhtagn. 18:52:34 dum de dum 18:52:39 LA la la 18:53:25 yodely hodely 18:53:33 doo doo doot 18:53:58 Fnord. 18:54:04 *Riastradh* trims his claws. 18:54:50 hey Riastradh! 18:54:52 Riastradh: lunch! 18:54:54 wow, a self-trimmer 18:54:55 c'mon! 18:55:06 Heh. 18:55:12 I envy that you're able to do that. 18:55:17 Riastradh: we can go to coolidge corner or something 18:55:25 gnomon_: what, eat? I too can eat 18:55:48 is it raining outside? 18:56:09 ah, it's not even raining 18:56:15 offby1, rather, eat with denizens of this channel! 18:56:30 Precious few of those around my lat/long these days. 18:56:41 gnomon_: I managed it once. 18:56:49 offby1: because of work, i started using mercurial - now i'm all confused because i'd been using git for 2 years 18:56:52 gnomon_: actually isomer`` just moved to toronto, y'know 18:56:57 ...for that matter, precious little of the cat or the significant other, for that matter. They're both in Ottawa right now. Silent night indeed. 18:57:01 also isomer` and perhaps even isomer 18:57:07 heh 18:57:12 Oh, did he now? Intriguing! 18:57:29 i was gonna see npe during thanksgiving, but that never panned out 18:59:21 Riastradh: ping 18:59:58 I assume that he can't type right now, due to the self-trimming. 19:00:27 Unless he's trimming toenails with teeth, in which case his hands may be available, if he sufficiently contorts himself. 19:01:20 I haven't trimmed my claws in years, because I go outside. I sharpen them on tree trunks. 19:01:30 Plus you know I need them for self-defense. 19:01:41 *offby1* removes his hat in honor of Eartha Kitt 19:02:49 Indeed. 19:04:02 These are maniclaws, not pediclaws. 19:04:13 -!- ejs [n=eugen@92-49-225-90.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:04:35 so? 19:05:09 So he cannot trim and type simultaneously, at least not without incurring significant personal risk. 19:05:12 So that my hands were indeed occupied. 19:06:42 While the trimming is in progress, some of the claws go through intermediate stages of dangerous pointiness. 19:07:27 duncanm, I already had lunch today, and tomorrow shall be somewhere deep in the middle of nowhere in Maine. 19:08:10 Perhaps Monday -- I shall be free until the afternoon. 19:08:18 Riastradh: come out and get coffee with me 19:08:20 today 19:08:32 or tea 19:08:56 I'm afraid I shall be busy in about a half an hour, and shall remain so through the evening. 19:09:05 oh 19:09:36 Riastradh: well, let me know then - you have my phone number? 19:09:42 (Also, I lack wheels. Mine are in pieces a hundred miles away.) 19:09:49 ahh 19:11:12 Hmm. I shall be in the vicinity of Fenway at about 16:00, though. There's an Emack and Bolio's right on my path. 19:11:23 yeah, that's right by my house 19:11:50 Riastradh: you have some free time then? 19:13:03 sam___ [n=Sami__@e81-197-69-201.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 19:13:17 Yes, a bit. 19:13:35 great, that works for me 19:13:46 (16:00 is approximate.) 19:14:11 1600h-ish. 19:14:14 1600h-esque. 19:14:18 A soupcon of 1600h. 19:14:21 Riastradh: are you gonna have a phone with you? 19:14:34 No, I don't carry a telephone. 19:15:03 okay.... well, we'll meet at Emack & Bolio's around 4:00pm 19:15:39 The Emack & Bolio's on Brookline Ave, across from the Landmark Centre, to be precise. 19:15:48 Riastradh: that's the only one there - yeah 19:16:18 Riastradh: i might be in the starbucks next door if i'm earl 19:16:20 early 19:17:05 saccade [n=saccade@65.78.24.47] has joined #scheme 19:17:45 Gosh. 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Bonsoir, les amis, et a bientot. 20:23:56 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@pool-70-111-163-83.nwrk.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 20:24:34 -!- jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.208.195] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:31:56 -!- maxigas [n=user@catv-80-99-179-83.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 20:38:18 Bon phopetit 20:38:40 *offby1* is drinking "Forest Floor" tea 20:38:41 Ugh 20:39:06 -!- name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:45:39 G-Brain [n=G-Brain@ip4da02711.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #scheme 20:46:46 hi 20:46:53 in PLT Scheme, if i have a hash by the name of "fxadd1" without the quotes, created using (make-hash), how would i get from the symbol 'fxadd1 to that hash? 20:48:59 ozy` [n=vt920@pool-71-184-104-97.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 20:50:20 -!- anborn [n=anborn@host76-219-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:50:27 jgracin__ [n=jgracin@82.193.208.195] has joined #scheme 20:50:40 like (function 'fxadd1) -> fxadd1 20:51:17 ? ? 20:51:30 I guess you are looking for a function inside the hash table section 20:51:33 G-Brain, wait 20:51:39 I don't know what thi PLT thing is 20:51:43 why not SRFI-69? 20:51:43 vixey: He's looking for EVAL 20:52:02 sjamaan: oh ? I thought it was something to do with hash tables 20:52:39 sjamaan: how would i do that? 20:52:45 G-Brain: You shouldn't 20:52:49 i know 20:53:08 You would probably be better of to rethink some stuff 20:53:18 Otherwise, try storing the hashes inside another hash 20:53:29 I don't get it ... 20:53:36 hashes takes key AND value 20:53:45 the key is 'fxadd1 the value is fxadd1 20:53:55 why are you suggesting they use EVAL? 20:53:56 vixey: Given, (define foo 1), how can I get 1 back if I only have 'foo? 20:54:05 exactly 20:54:22 I don't know the exact name of the functions, but something like 20:54:39 ((gethash hash 'fxadd1) 3) is going to work like (fxadd 3) 20:55:25 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 20:55:30 fxadd1 is not a hash here, but a key 20:55:42 However, you can store hashes as values inside hashes 20:57:57 i'm writing a scheme compiler, print-program takes an expression and prints the assembly code. it currently compiles fixnums, booleans, and characters. 20:58:03 i'm working on the primitive procedures now 20:58:33 which i'm defining as hashes 20:58:40 sounds cool 20:59:26 -!- jgracin_ [n=jgracin@82.193.208.195] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:00:10 so i figured (print-program '(fxadd1 3)) should identify fxadd1 as a primitive procedure and then extract the code from the hash. 21:00:21 but now that i'm saying it i like the idea of hashes in hashes 21:00:31 *hashes in a hash 21:00:35 thank you, sjamaan 21:00:40 np 21:05:41 -!- ozy` [n=vt920@pool-71-184-104-97.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:11:15 -!- rudybot [n=luser@li11-10.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:17:00 -!- sam___ [n=Sami__@e81-197-69-201.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:18:28 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@pool-70-111-163-83.nwrk.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 21:23:01 sam_ [n=Sami__@e81-197-69-201.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 21:39:25 -!- fschwidom 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