00:06:36 rudybot: eval (list #x1L-3 #x1L-2 #x1L-1 #x1L0 #x1.L1 #x1.L2 #x1.L3) 00:06:37 mejja: ; Value: (0.000244140625 0.00390625 0.0625 1.0 16.0 256.0 4096.0) 00:09:22 -!- Dawgmatix [n=deep@207-237-30-94.c3-0.avec-ubr11.nyr-avec.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 00:09:59 rudybot: eval (list #xdead.beefL-abba #xdead.beefL+abba) 00:09:59 mejja: ; Value: (0.0 +inf.0) 00:10:12 incubot: abba 00:10:15 opposed to ABBA songs, that is) 00:11:31 -!- Nichibutsu [n=myfabse@wikipedia/Track-n-Field] has quit [] 00:19:32 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B055FF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:21:35 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:24:42 dead.beef-abba = cafebabe 00:24:53 -!- hiyuh [n=hiyuh@KD125054017176.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit ["|_ e /\ \/ i |/| G"] 00:26:38 hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has joined #scheme 00:26:56 -!- orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFEC0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Gone."] 00:29:17 -!- ventonegro [i=alex@187-26-31-99.3g.claro.net.br] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 00:31:55 -!- fschwidom [n=fschwido@dslb-088-068-046-150.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:33:30 -!- edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:33:49 edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 00:35:54 -!- aneqrs [n=andreas@c83-253-104-206.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 00:35:55 tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-52-96.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 00:36:23 Does anyone know if PLT scheme got rid of static-files-path in their web-server module? 00:36:36 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-47-39.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 00:36:37 Because when I use it it throws an error that it did not expect an argument with keyword #:extra-files-path 00:36:42 -!- tizoc_ is now known as tizoc 00:39:40 -!- krat3r [n=krat@bl8-31-206.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 00:42:17 tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-51-26.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 00:43:22 This involves scheme and emacs. I have 'server' and 'client'. 'server' provides a REPL over tcp. 'client ' will take sends it to the repl over at server, and print out the response. Now, I want to modify emacs's run-scheme so that instead of running csi, it uses my 'client' prog to talk to my 'server' repl. What is the easiest way to do this? 00:46:49 -!- tessier_ [n=treed@kernel-panic/sex-machines] has left #scheme 00:47:02 hml: are you using SLIME? 00:47:09 no 00:47:13 slime works with chicken ? 00:47:24 Nope. 00:47:28 oh, prolly not, Riastradh has a version that works with Scheme48 00:47:38 i'm happy to use whatever it takes if this makes it owrk 00:48:12 hml: C-u M-x run-scheme lets you choose the default-scheme-program (or some name like that) 00:49:15 You have to invoke a separate program every time you send one toplevel expression? 00:49:24 i can make it one interactive prog 00:49:38 raikov` [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has joined #scheme 00:50:03 if so, then you can just run your client instead of csi 00:50:34 as long as it provides a prompt of ">" or similar, run-scheme should work fine with it 00:51:43 -!- raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:52:14 x@x:~/code/client$ make 00:52:14 csi -s client.scm 00:52:14 About to start tcp connection ... 00:52:14 Input> ((lambda (x) (* x 20)) 23) 00:52:14 Ans: 460 00:52:25 so that looks ok ? 00:52:36 i'm an idiot, i'll just ahve it emualte the csi prompt 00:53:45 hml: cmuscheme.el has a customizable prompt it looks for, by default: 00:53:47 (setq comint-prompt-regexp "^[^>]*>+ *") 00:54:21 hiyuh [n=hiyuh@KD059133115102.ppp.dion.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 00:54:29 Either emulate that (which includes ">" as I said, or "Input>" should work as well) or alter that variable 00:55:29 fantastic 00:55:36 this is so much easier than what i had in mind 00:56:10 -!- raikov` [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has quit ["rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.2.1"] 00:56:16 raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has joined #scheme 00:57:04 Vaeshir [n=zane@adsl-216-103-252-124.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 00:58:12 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-52-96.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:05:17 kuribas [i=kristof@d54C4300E.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 01:12:45 -!- sam_ [n=Sami__@hoasnet-fe1add00-113.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 01:13:31 hemulen [n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:16:44 -!- edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:17:09 -!- hemulen [n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 01:17:12 edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 01:23:58 AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable230.56-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 01:31:48 a-s [n=user@92.81.96.202] has joined #scheme 01:38:42 Vaeshir_ [n=zane@adsl-216-103-252-124.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 01:40:57 -!- hiyuh [n=hiyuh@KD059133115102.ppp.dion.ne.jp] has quit ["|_ e /\ \/ i |/| G"] 01:47:04 -!- Vaeshir [n=zane@adsl-216-103-252-124.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 01:54:32 -!- hark [n=strider@hark.slew.org] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 02:06:15 tizoc [n=user@r190-135-9-231.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 02:06:39 -!- edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:06:54 edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 02:15:05 Arelius_ [n=Indy@209.77.67.98] has joined #scheme 02:16:12 -!- jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 02:17:36 -!- wastrel [n=wastrel@nylug/member/wastrel] has quit ["bye now"] 02:18:15 saccade_ [n=saccade@65.78.24.47] has joined #scheme 02:22:09 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 02:22:15 -!- tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-51-26.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:30:22 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless12.wireless.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:31:57 -!- Arelius [n=Indy@209.77.67.98] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:34:41 krat3r [n=krat@a83-132-32-164.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #scheme 02:38:08 ben1 [n=ben@sns58-249.york.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 02:39:09 what does "ERROR: Wrong type to apply: # ; in expression: (... (#@set! #@1-2 #@0+0))" mean? 02:39:55 (I am using SCM) 02:40:52 -!- kuribas [i=kristof@d54C4300E.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 02:42:07 (define a (list (list 2) 2)) 02:42:09 oops... 02:42:15 mistell 02:42:19 nevermind, I fixed it 02:57:03 -!- Arelius_ [n=Indy@209.77.67.98] has quit [] 02:57:08 -!- edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:57:35 edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 02:59:22 Arelius [n=Indy@209.77.67.98] has joined #scheme 03:02:22 kuribas [i=kristof@d54C4300E.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 03:02:55 hark [n=strider@hark.slew.org] has joined #scheme 03:03:36 in plt-scheme how can I determine thet ype of something being fed to a function? 03:03:50 Is there somekind fo type-extractor 03:05:39 nope 03:05:48 you can ask "is it a foo", but you cannot really ask 'what is it' 03:05:53 damn 03:05:55 rudybot: eval (string? 3) 03:05:56 offby1: ; Value: #f 03:05:59 rudybot: eval (string? "3") 03:05:59 offby1: ; Value: #t 03:06:03 hmm 03:06:13 Because I am coding an IRC bot, but I dont know what TYPE the input data is 03:06:20 which makes it hard for me to do regular expressions on it 03:06:22 it a stream of bytes, naturally. 03:06:39 offby1: ahh. How can I turn a stream of bytes into a string? 03:06:46 bytes->string 03:06:49 Particularly so that the stream or bytes is exactly 1 line 03:06:50 offby1: ty 03:06:57 rudybot: eval (bytes->stream #"a stream o' bytes") 03:06:58 offby1: error: reference to undefined identifier: bytes->stream 03:07:03 rudybot: eval (bytes->string/utf-8 #"a stream o' bytes") 03:07:04 offby1: ; Value: "a stream o' bytes" 03:07:15 don't see how that helps you any though. 03:07:22 offby1: what do you mena? 03:07:24 mean* 03:07:30 I dunno. 03:07:48 Im trying to make it so when somebody types like !google 03:07:55 it parses the line with regexps and sees !google 03:07:58 then does something useful 03:08:11 right now I have it printing out everythign it sees but it doesnt recognize taht it saw !google 03:08:13 have you looked at rudybot's source? It does exactly that 03:08:20 it uses "match" a lot 03:08:31 offby1: no Ill look 03:08:41 offby1: so I take it rudybot works on the actual bytes? 03:08:52 ... what else would it work on? 03:08:59 nfi 03:09:09 :) 03:09:40 offby1: :) my bot is nothing facy. Im just proving to a friend that hes an idiot for suggesting that his java bot was easier to write than a scheme bot. 03:09:47 heh. rudybot is nothing fancy. 03:10:08 actually, it might well be easier in java; java has tons of useful libraries. For all I know, there's an IRC client library in it. 03:10:45 offby1: yeah but his code is insanely buggy. The bet was my schemeb0t would run better ;-) 03:10:50 -!- kuribas [i=kristof@d54C4300E.access.telenet.be] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 03:11:09 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65.78.24.47] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:11:27 that's less a matter of the choice of programming language, and more a matter of ... is the programmer any good. 03:11:34 offby1: thats the point ;-) 03:11:38 aaah 03:11:54 Im just outdoing him and using scheme conveniently because he always disses it 03:12:06 Because he claims it crap. I claim, he says scheme is crap cause he has bad programming habits 03:12:29 *shrug* 03:12:43 anyhow, Im just rtying to read these bytes right no 03:13:49 Im a pretty novice schemer myself though 03:15:47 People here work in the professional computer industry... would you say you don't have much time for your own personal projects? 03:15:55 ? 03:16:11 I would say I don't have much _energy_ for my own personal projects 03:16:42 offby1: ! 03:16:51 Well, energy I suppose. I really don't know if there's a good word in English for it. 03:17:01 synx: huh? That came from nowhere 03:17:07 offby1: I'm done -- will you upgrade & reboot? 03:17:14 sure 03:17:22 rudybot: eval (define a 1) 03:17:25 rudybot: eval a 03:17:26 eli: ; Value: 1 03:17:28 what is the professional industry? 03:17:32 rushfan: turns out that I do indeed get _characters_, not _bytes_, from the port. 03:17:37 I work on the industry but it isn't professional 03:17:39 eli: just trunk? 03:17:45 rudybot: eval (begin (sleep 15) (set! a 123)) 03:17:45 Oh it totally came from nowhere, sorry. :) 03:17:48 offby1: ok thank you 03:17:48 eli: error: with-limit: out of time 03:18:04 rudybot: eval (thread () (lambda () (sleep 15) (set! a 123))) 03:18:04 eli: error: eval:1:8: #%app: missing procedure expression; probably originally (), which is an illegal empty application in: (#%app) 03:18:12 offby1: so I just chunk the chars together into a string until I hit the end of the line, right? 03:18:14 rudybot: eval (thread (lambda () (sleep 15) (set! a 123))) 03:18:15 eli: ; Value: # 03:18:17 I was thinking of how to get an income, but I worry about losing myself in other people's work if I went and tried to get a CS degree. 03:18:20 rudybot: eval a 03:18:21 eli: ; Value: 1 03:18:27 rudybot: eval a 03:18:27 eli: ; Value: 1 03:18:27 rudybot: I suppose you _could_, but it's easier to just call "read-line" 03:18:38 kinda noisy in here. 03:18:41 rudybot: eval a 03:18:41 eli: ; Value: 123 03:18:51 offby1: There -- that would be impossible now. 03:18:56 what with the performance trials and all 03:19:01 Yes. 03:19:02 *offby1* reads scrollback 03:19:18 damn! 03:19:22 that thread kept running?! 03:19:23 yikes. 03:19:44 eli: anyway -- should I just "svn up" the trunk? 03:19:45 offby1: And you should just svn up the whole thing, we found a memory issue that made the gc pretty slow in some (mostly sandbox) cases. 03:19:50 ok 03:19:54 Matthew fixed it. 03:19:54 I _always_ get the whole thing. 03:20:11 Yes, svn up the trunk and rebuild should cover everything. 03:20:45 rudybot: eval (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) 03:20:50 rudybot: eval (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) 03:20:57 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) (length a)) 03:20:57 eli: error: length: expects argument of type ; given (#"\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0... 03:21:15 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (list (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) (length a)) 03:21:16 eli: ; Value: 2 03:21:20 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) (length a)) 03:21:20 eli: ; Value: 3 03:21:25 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) (length a)) 03:21:25 eli: ; Value: 4 03:21:28 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) (length a)) 03:21:28 eli: ; Value: 5 03:21:31 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:21:32 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) (length a)) 03:21:32 eli: ; Value: 6 03:21:47 offby1: did you leave the global memory limit at the default? 03:21:53 naw 03:21:53 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) (length a)) 03:21:53 eli: ; Value: 7 03:21:56 20 Mb if I recall correctly. 03:21:59 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) (length a)) 03:22:05 eli: ; Value: 8 03:22:08 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) (length a)) 03:22:08 eli: ; Value: 9 03:22:09 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) (length a)) 03:22:09 eli: ; Value: 10 03:22:11 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) (length a)) 03:22:11 eli: ; Value: 11 03:22:12 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) (length a)) 03:22:12 eli: ; Value: 12 03:22:13 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) (length a)) 03:22:14 eli: ; Value: 13 03:22:15 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) (length a)) 03:22:15 eli: ; Value: 14 03:22:16 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) (length a)) 03:22:16 eli: ; Value: 15 03:22:17 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) (length a)) 03:22:18 eli: ; Value: 16 03:22:19 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) (length a)) 03:22:19 eli: ; Value: 17 03:22:20 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) (length a)) 03:22:21 eli: ; Value: 18 03:22:22 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) (length a)) 03:22:22 eli: ; Value: 19 03:22:23 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) (length a)) 03:22:23 eli: ; Value: 20 03:22:24 this is like one of those IRC spammers. 03:22:25 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 6)) a)) (length a)) 03:22:25 eli: ; Value: 21 03:22:34 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 7)) a)) (length a)) 03:22:34 eli: ; Value: 22 03:22:38 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 7)) a)) (length a)) 03:22:38 eli: ; Value: 23 03:22:39 ehh wtf my eyes 03:22:39 *offby1* glances around nervously. 03:22:44 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 7)) a)) (length a)) 03:22:44 rushfan: I know 03:22:44 eli: ; Value: 24 03:22:47 rudybot: eval (begin (set! a (cons (make-bytes (expt 10 7)) a)) (length a)) 03:22:49 eli: error: evaluator: terminated (out-of-memory) 03:22:52 Ha! 03:22:53 I think he's trying to make a point.l 03:22:57 offby1: what point? 03:23:04 20, 24, whassa few Mb among friends 03:23:05 rudybot: eval (+ 1 2) 03:23:05 eli: error: evaluator: terminated (out-of-memory) 03:23:14 rushfan: that the "sandbox" thingy was (until recently) buggy 03:23:40 eli: this'll take a while; it is but a poor humble linode. 03:23:45 Well, not really buggy -- just incomplete in ways that could be considered buggy. 03:23:56 it depends on what the meaning of "bug" is. 03:24:01 offby1: No froblems. 03:24:13 No sloblems 03:24:23 http://tmp.barzilay.org/bug.jpg 03:24:31 offby1: ok 03:25:16 eli: :-) 03:25:45 [Someone sent me this cartoon probably a decade ago -- and I still laugh when I see it.] 03:26:09 "What the Customer Ordered" ... "What Marketing Delivered" ... 03:26:17 workplace humor. A thriving subculture 03:26:38 Programmer workspace humor -- much better. 03:26:48 http://www.effectiveeng.com/Tire_Swing.gif , e.g. 03:26:57 I remember seeing that at my friend's house probably 25 years ago 03:27:11 right now I have a chunk of code not being executed and I dont know why 03:27:11 heh 03:27:13 its in the damn loop 03:27:22 rushfan: use the Paste, Luke. 03:27:27 paste? 03:27:36 I say; http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme 03:27:48 % zmail jim 03:27:51 I need a "Hello, world." program by this afternoon. 03:27:59 option 1): it _is_ being executed; you just don't think it is. 03:28:13 -!- krat3r [n=krat@a83-132-32-164.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 03:28:23 eli: I'm sorry, our engineers are busy writing video games. Can we get back to you maybe next week? 03:28:45 indeedi it is being execuited 03:29:18 offby1: BTW, that gmail authentication thing is extremely easy to do. 03:29:22 huh 03:29:42 no JS required, eh? 03:29:47 And what's more -- all of their obscure APIs are mostly uniform in a way that is not difficult at all. 03:30:04 Yeah, just plain http(s) GETs PUTs and OTHERs. 03:30:11 offby1: http://monoport.com/38840 thats the main code in question 03:30:19 (the 2 functions at the bottom the rest are just helpers) 03:30:39 offby1: I'm going to post a cute example that retreives a google spreadsheet from your google docs thing... 03:31:17 *offby1* is lookin' at rushfan's thing 03:32:38 rushfan: I think you need to read about "read-line". It will make your life a lot easier. 03:32:48 offby1: ok 03:33:04 where should I use read-line? In my read-messages function? 03:33:24 sure 03:33:43 alas I cannot get the PLT site's doc page to display the docs, else I'd give you a link 03:33:45 offby1: I see it takes a port and gives a line, exactly what I wanted 03:33:46 hehe 03:34:06 type (help readline) in DrScheme; that ought to do it 03:34:06 ? 03:34:18 offby1: yeah if there is 1 thing Ive learned its drschemes doc system hehe 03:34:32 offby1: Something wrong with the server or the connection or something? 03:34:46 eli: I dunno. I type stuff in the search box, and ... nothing happens. 03:34:56 Maybe it's still downloading the big JS index blob and I'm impatient. 03:35:09 Refresh? It's not *that* big. 03:35:21 offby1: what do the brackets mean? as in [in mode] 03:35:25 ive never seen those in the docs before 03:35:28 Maybe your browser is just tired. 03:35:33 rushfan: means it's optional 03:35:35 k 03:35:46 refresh ain't helpin' 03:35:49 time to reboot Mr Firefox 03:36:02 65% of all software problems are fixed by rebooting 03:36:51 rushfan: anyway, http://docs.plt-scheme.org/search/index.html?q=read-line should get it for you 03:36:59 ah, rebooting indeed fixed it. 03:37:18 offby1: that worked thanks 03:37:28 *offby1* wishes Chrome a) were available on *nix; and b) allowed plugins 03:37:54 You're using chrome? 03:37:56 "making tests/framework" 03:38:04 when I run Windows, I use it, yes 03:38:11 using ff now since I'm using *nix 03:38:16 I got tired of it after a while. 03:38:31 I kept bumping into unfinished edges. 03:38:36 huh, I like its speed, and its ability to guess what I want from just a few keystrokes typed in the location bar 03:39:00 That looked to me pretty much the same as what FF does, no? 03:39:23 yes, but it does a better job. 03:39:36 as far as I can tell, ff doesn't update its knowledge base as you surf; chrome seems to 03:39:59 so after a while, I can type (e.g.) just the letter "b" and http://billmonk.com comes up (which is what I wanted) 03:40:03 saccade_ [n=saccade@65.78.24.47] has joined #scheme 03:40:16 Zane introduced me (and my whole company) to billmonk, by the way. 03:40:54 Yeah, I remember that you said something about it. 03:43:46 How does it compare to Opera? 03:44:21 -!- edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:44:45 edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 03:50:53 Leonidas: ping 03:51:33 *synx* uses netcat for web browsing 03:51:45 w3m is better... 03:51:59 I actually have found Dillo to be quite convenient. 03:53:10 "sXe is the only youth counter-culture to actively discourage drug use, alcohol use, and casual sex." hmmm.... 03:53:11 -!- rushfan [n=rushfan@155.33.149.22] has quit ["Who do you trust when everyone's a crook? 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I never defined casual sex... it should error out... 04:28:04 offby1: Sorry, fixed now. (But shouldn't matter enough to restart it.) 04:28:16 didn't think so. 04:28:20 No, synx. 04:28:20 rudybot: uptime 04:28:20 offby1: I've been up for twenty-six minutes; this tcp/ip connection has been up for twenty-five minutes, fifty-nine seconds 04:28:23 It never evaluates that. 04:28:42 rudybot: eval (if #f what-the-hell "whew") 04:28:42 offby1: ; Value: "whew" 04:29:02 Riastradh: My code errored out in drscheme, so I assumed it would do some kind of checking. 04:30:02 synx: The setup that offby1 uses for the evaluator starts it in "repl mode", where such things are allowed. In DrScheme you usually deal with modules. 04:31:23 Oh okay, so it's a different mode. Sorry I am aware that (or #t gobbledy-gook) is technically valid 04:33:04 You can see the difference if you try to do it in the "Pretty Big" legacy language instead of in the module language. (You'll need to take out the `#lang' line to try it.) 04:38:40 -!- edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:38:57 edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 04:42:28 -!- foof [n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 04:43:45 tripwyre [n=sathya@117.193.166.210] has joined #scheme 04:59:34 incubot: (begin (define sXe (let ((drugs '(cocaine heroin meth alcohol))) (not (or drugs casual-sex)))) sXe) 04:59:35 #f 04:59:45 *klutometis* just checketh 05:02:37 incubot: cas-sex with ren-fair wives gives you a case of the harpies (sic) 05:02:38 Error: unbound variable: cas-sex 05:02:48 incubot: cas-sex with ren-fair wives gives you a case of the harpies [sic] 05:02:50 like Woody Allen's "Husbands and Wives". A whole jittery movie. Awful. 05:02:57 that's better 05:04:05 yhara [n=yhara@raichu.netlab.jp] has joined #scheme 05:04:07 -!- yhara [n=yhara@raichu.netlab.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:08:43 rcy [n=rcy@S01060002553240a8.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 05:21:05 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65.78.24.47] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 05:21:37 -!- Cale [n=Cale@CPE001c10c70239-CM000e5cdd834a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:24:49 klutometis: at a csi repl, you will get a warning 05:24:50 Warning: the following toplevel variables are referenced but unbound: casual-sex 05:25:16 Cale [n=Cale@CPE001c10c70239-CM000e5cdd834a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 05:26:32 uh 05:26:40 casual-sex of course may be bound or unbound, depending on your inclinations 05:26:40 -!- edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:27:18 edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 05:27:22 maodun 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quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:58:42 damn, need libgmp-dev for 32 bits. later. 11:59:05 rmrfchik: good luck! 11:59:48 I guess that for 90% of use cases, a portable Scheme is the best solution 12:00:39 -!- sam_ [n=Sami__@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has quit [] 12:05:11 sam_ [n=Sami__@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has joined #scheme 12:09:35 r2q2 [n=user@c-24-7-212-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 12:17:16 cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #scheme 12:19:13 I like to carry around my Scheme too. 12:19:47 anyone know of a Scheme for PocketPC? 12:21:33 leppie: You should use google more. 12:21:34 PocketScheme it appears 12:22:11 lol r2q2, how often does google find anything related to scheme? 12:24:16 -!- ejs [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:25:03 -!- hark [n=strider@hark.slew.org] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:33:35 leppie: Alot. 12:33:48 leppie: I usualy append the word lisp to my search queries to find stuff related to scheme. 12:34:11 ozy` [n=vt920@pool-71-184-104-97.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 12:35:17 -!- ozy` [n=vt920@pool-71-184-104-97.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:36:09 leppie: I know where your coming from though. Scheme is sort of used for other things other than the lisp language. 12:39:33 orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFEC6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 12:41:39 -!- edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:41:59 edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 12:44:12 -!- sam_ [n=Sami__@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has quit [] 12:45:50 -!- huangjs [n=user@watchdog.msi.co.jp] has left #scheme 12:46:10 like money laundering scheme :p 12:46:21 or normally some url ending in .gov 12:53:48 underspecified [n=eric@c-68-50-36-52.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 13:09:08 luz [n=davids@139.82.89.70] has joined #scheme 13:09:29 -!- offby1 [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:11:02 ozy` [n=vt920@pool-71-184-104-97.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 13:11:14 offby1 [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 13:11:51 -!- luz [n=davids@139.82.89.70] has quit [Client Quit] 13:12:03 luz [n=davids@139.82.89.70] has joined #scheme 13:16:17 -!- offby1 [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:17:40 incubot: What is Anarchy? 13:17:41 anarchy saves! 13:17:58 incubot: botsnack 13:18:00 sorbat: botsnack 13:18:23 incubot: you stupid, stupid, bot. 13:18:25 Perhaps stupid question, but I'm still quite new to this LISP-thing. :-) 13:18:36 vixey [n=vicky@amcant.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 13:26:27 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:37:16 sam_ [n=Sami__@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has joined #scheme 13:39:03 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bbl"] 13:40:03 -!- sam_ [n=Sami__@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 13:40:45 -!- edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:41:06 edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 13:42:13 sam_ [n=Sami__@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has joined #scheme 13:42:42 Fare [n=Fare@c-71-232-6-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 13:51:02 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 13:54:58 -!- vasa [n=vasa@mm-174-83-84-93.dynamic.pppoe.mgts.by] has quit ["I am not vasya, i am vasa"] 13:58:22 -!- sam_ [n=Sami__@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has quit [] 13:58:55 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 14:00:39 hemulen [n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 14:01:01 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-133-170-239.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["later...."] 14:06:15 tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-25-145.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 14:08:15 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-9-231.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 14:08:20 -!- tizoc_ is now known as tizoc 14:19:43 borism__ [n=boris@195-50-211-67-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has joined #scheme 14:21:44 annodomini [n=lambda@64.30.3.122] has joined #scheme 14:24:44 borism___ [n=boris@195-50-206-223-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has joined #scheme 14:26:16 -!- borism_ [n=boris@195-50-197-14-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 14:30:06 -!- borism__ [n=boris@195-50-211-67-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 14:37:27 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 14:46:10 -!- edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:47:05 edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 14:48:32 FareWell [n=Fare@c-71-232-6-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 14:50:43 -!- Fare [n=Fare@c-71-232-6-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:51:41 mike [n=mike@dslb-088-066-236-133.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 14:52:09 -!- mike is now known as Guest43979 14:52:45 -!- p1dzkl [i=p1dzkl@2001:470:d0be:0:0:0:0:13] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:07:23 p1dzkl [i=p1dzkl@2001:470:d0be:0:0:0:0:13] has joined #scheme 15:22:12 saccade_ [n=saccade@65.78.24.47] has joined #scheme 15:37:30 annodomini [n=lambda@130.189.179.215] has joined #scheme 15:40:53 wastrel [n=wastrel@nylug/member/wastrel] has joined #scheme 15:46:38 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65.78.24.47] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 15:48:10 -!- edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:49:11 edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 15:50:20 name [n=name@chello062178002083.1.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 15:50:34 -!- name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has quit [Client Quit] 15:50:48 name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has joined #scheme 15:51:47 -!- qebab [n=finnrobi@eros.orakel.ntnu.no] has quit ["Beta. Software undergoes beta testing shortly before it's released. Beta is Latin for "still doesn't work.""] 16:06:56 incubot: Hello 16:06:58 I said, "Hello there.", because you said "Hi" ;) 16:07:09 incubot: whats up? 16:07:11 that's whats-his-names course 16:07:18 incubot: Screw you. 16:07:20 Another part of me finds the analogous Scheme to be a bit excessively verbose, and very easy to screw up without the strict support of the static type system. 16:09:23 rushfan [n=rushfan@155.33.149.22] has joined #scheme 16:09:28 jonrafkind: Hey are you around 16:11:35 athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has joined #scheme 16:13:25 -!- jjong [n=user@203.246.179.177] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:14:42 leppie: perhaps you'd like to take over the development of Pocket Scheme? It is long moribund. 16:15:10 im not much of a C hacker :( 16:15:17 else i would 16:15:22 Gotcha. 16:18:00 qebab [n=finnrobi@eros.orakel.ntnu.no] has joined #scheme 16:18:30 but maybe i can do it in C# 16:19:15 not sure if there will be a point though ... 16:19:32 ( is hard with a stylus ) 16:20:41 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B053C57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 16:21:13 maodun [n=stopgo@c-67-180-49-1.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:21:40 -!- underspecified [n=eric@c-68-50-36-52.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:24:57 I had just as much trouble with double-quote reading as a pair of single-quotes. There is a DWIM mode that does its best to work around all of that, transliterating [ and { to ( etc. 16:25:24 In the end, though, it's best with a wee keyboard. 16:27:56 C# would entail a complete rewrite, but that wouldn't be a bad thing. 16:29:49 jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 16:33:11 Man I found this really neat traceroute that plots stuff on google earth. 16:33:24 Except it doesn't do the paths as it finds routes. 16:33:25 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 16:41:45 __name__ [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has joined #scheme 16:42:14 -!- name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:42:19 -!- __name__ is now known as name 16:49:05 -!- proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:52:57 -!- edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:53:43 edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 16:55:16 leppie: yeah. Ich have some lisps on my palm, but haven't used th thing since ages, because it's just not useful. 17:00:47 Hi, I have some code with a really bizarre bug. I have a loop (in my IRC bot) to read the stream, but if I say things to the server, it works fine. But if I don't send a message the loop dies. Aka if I spam freenode with pings the bot works, otherwise it stops reading the input. 17:02:22 proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 17:05:55 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-228-143.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 17:08:11 Leonidas, you really don't think that LispMe is useful? 17:08:31 It, Plucker and SiEd were the only three programs I used with any frequency, back when I had a functional PalmOS device. 17:16:15 rushfan: probably freenode is killing the connection thinking it's stalled? 17:18:17 rushfan, sup 17:18:47 gnomon: no, I'm not using the whole thing. If you want you can have mine, for free ;) 17:22:04 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has quit ["\o"] 17:22:22 athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has joined #scheme 17:23:57 jonrafkind: nm 17:24:02 ok 17:24:03 jonrafkind: Im using your IRC code to read the chat 17:24:13 however it stalls out on me unless Im sending the server random messages 17:24:17 perhaps if it work like wii... left paren if you dip your device slightly to the left... right, the other way. imagine seeing offby1 riding his bus and ircing: ()()))(()))((()).... 17:24:22 -!- kniu [n=kniu@pool-71-107-51-222.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 17:24:27 http://monoport.com/38848 17:24:29 you mean you get a connection timeout? 17:24:34 jonrafkind: no 17:24:41 IT doesnt read the input 17:24:43 jah [n=jah@213.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #scheme 17:24:46 it's as if the loop is ending 17:25:39 which loop 17:25:54 the loop that reads from the server should really be in a thread 17:26:05 mine wasn't because I didnt care 17:26:18 jonrafkind: oh 17:26:23 I adopted your loop to read from the server 17:27:42 jonrafkind: I should probably just use your IRC library but re-do the interactions 17:27:54 since Im actually trying to read-input 17:28:03 -!- r2q2 [n=user@c-24-7-212-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:28:07 sure, I hacked that thing up in like 20 minutes so its not like a good library or anything 17:28:07 -!- arcfide [n=arcfide@h-66-167-220-193.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:28:09 just a starting point 17:28:18 jonrafkind: it has helped. heh 17:28:20 sladegen: I like that idea super duper a lot. 17:28:34 I was cursing until I found out about read-bytes-line lol I was trying read-line the whole time 17:29:18 sladegen: You could mount the device on your hip and then take it to a club. 17:30:07 yeah and full rotations give you []... two rotations {}... oh the possibilites. 17:30:11 -!- sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:30:23 sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 17:31:15 bzzbzz [n=franco@modemcable027.191-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 17:31:38 incubot: sudden timeout? 17:31:40 (...um, that was a sudden intervention from a keyboard attacker.) 17:31:55 incubot: not true! 17:31:56 hich says nothing about the true distribution 17:35:17 kniu [n=kniu@pool-71-107-51-222.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 17:35:18 jonrafkind: is there a better looping mechanism? Ive never seen that loop() thing use before :| 17:35:56 err, endless looping mechanism 17:36:09 I could do a tail recursion that never gets smaller ;| 17:36:10 r5rs let 17:36:10 http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-7.html#%_idx_124 17:36:13 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/695ay7 17:36:19 See "named let." 17:36:25 Daemmerung: tyt 17:36:32 anyhow i have a math final to take 17:36:33 peace 17:36:55 break a pencil. 17:37:08 *Daemmerung* makes a gang sign 17:40:00 geckosenator [n=sean@71.237.94.78] has joined #scheme 17:41:44 -!- Guest43979 [n=mike@dslb-088-066-236-133.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 17:42:51 -!- Kusanagi [n=Motoko@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:45:57 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 17:51:45 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:57:44 -!- FareWell [n=Fare@c-71-232-6-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:59:23 underspecified [n=eric@c-68-50-36-52.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:01:51 -!- edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:02:30 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has quit ["leaving"] 18:03:08 edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 18:05:21 athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has joined #scheme 18:09:04 -!- edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:09:36 edw [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 18:12:32 underspecified_ [n=eric@c-98-218-113-52.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:14:16 jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless152.wireless.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 18:18:25 -!- underspecified [n=eric@c-68-50-36-52.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:18:48 -!- jah [n=jah@213.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit ["Quitte"] 18:19:17 JohnnyL [i=JohnnyL@ool-182ddad4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 18:19:30 -!- JohnnyL [i=JohnnyL@ool-182ddad4.dyn.optonline.net] has left #scheme 18:19:34 -!- underspecified_ [n=eric@c-98-218-113-52.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [] 18:26:06 -!- qebab [n=finnrobi@eros.orakel.ntnu.no] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 18:26:06 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 18:26:06 -!- koning_robot [n=aap@dhcp-077-248-142-146.chello.nl] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 18:26:06 -!- pchrist|univ [n=spirit@gateway.hpc.cs.teiath.gr] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 18:26:58 qebab [n=finnrobi@eros.orakel.ntnu.no] has joined #scheme 18:26:58 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 18:26:58 koning_robot [n=aap@dhcp-077-248-142-146.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 18:26:58 pchrist|univ [n=spirit@gateway.hpc.cs.teiath.gr] has joined #scheme 18:27:27 -!- geckosenator [n=sean@71.237.94.78] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:27:44 choas [n=lars@p5B0DD12C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:44:40 -!- choas [n=lars@p5B0DD12C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 18:47:52 Daemmerung: lambda? 18:49:03 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 18:50:26 church crips vs. von neumann bloods? 18:50:48 incubot: i don't have the inclination to read reddit anymore; i just hack 18:50:51 my own personal inclination would be not only to ban him, but also to delete every post he ever made. So I have learned to restrain myself. :) 18:52:17 incubot: hamlet 18:52:19 ever read Hamlet on the Holodeck? 18:55:07 incubot: oh no, a Lajakeka! 18:55:13 -!- glogic [n=glogic@97.76.48.99] has left #scheme 18:55:16 glogic [n=glogic@97.76.48.99] has joined #scheme 18:56:00 -!- name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:57:25 civodul [n=user@reverse-83.fdn.fr] has joined #scheme 19:02:22 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@chld.ru] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:08:08 -!- ventonegro [n=user@136.166.1.3] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 19:09:21 -!- tjafk1 [n=timj@e176193056.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Client exiting"] 19:15:21 hml [n=x@ip70-176-244-174.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #scheme 19:17:48 -!- proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:20:36 saccade_ [n=saccade@c-98-216-70-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:22:03 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:22:54 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 19:23:31 sam_ [n=Sami__@e81-197-69-201.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 19:24:02 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:24:44 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 19:24:44 -!- sam_ [n=Sami__@e81-197-69-201.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 19:25:40 Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 19:28:24 -!- luz [n=davids@139.82.89.70] has quit ["Client exiting"] 19:40:13 saccade__ [n=saccade@c-98-216-70-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:44:15 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@c-98-216-70-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:44:45 -!- tessier_ [n=treed@kernel-panic/sex-machines] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:45:53 proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 19:49:38 -!- ramkrsna [n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:50:55 sam_ [n=Sami__@e81-197-69-201.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 19:55:08 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 19:58:21 tessier_ [n=treed@kernel-panic/sex-machines] has joined #scheme 19:58:46 attila_lendvai [n=ati@business-89-132-61-222.business.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 20:11:36 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 20:11:48 abe[G] [n=koi@ip68-225-12-32.pv.oc.cox.net] has joined #scheme 20:12:48 -!- error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:14:57 haole [n=kia@200-232-197-236.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #scheme 20:17:09 hey there... i'm starting to study scheme because it is said that it will open my mind as a programmer and that alone motivates me, but i wanted to know if languages like this are still being used in business applications rather than academic environments only 20:17:59 -!- wasabi_________1 [n=wasabi@ntoska163007.oska.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:18:12 MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has joined #scheme 20:18:25 -!- saccade__ [n=saccade@c-98-216-70-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 20:22:47 annodomini [n=lambda@64.30.3.122] has joined #scheme 20:29:30 benny99 [n=benny@p5486FF0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 20:31:38 moghar [n=user@unaffiliated/moghar] has joined #scheme 20:31:50 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 20:33:12 dzhus [n=user@93-80-218-215.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 20:35:57 saccade_ [n=saccade@c-98-216-70-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:37:17 haole, there is at least one commercial version of scheme, see chez scheme 20:37:42 the corollary of course is that some people use the commercial version of scheme to write commercial products 20:39:12 "Languages like this" are used in financial and imaging applications. And a few of us use them whereever we can. But it's a niche. 20:39:45 jonrafkind: it's just that i was looking at schemers.org job's opportunities (for curiosity, of course) and at least half of them are using other languages but asks you for experience in scheme and functional programming, and some others wanted you to translate some scheme code to java and such... so, i was wondering about this 20:45:48 -!- tessier_ [n=treed@kernel-panic/sex-machines] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:47:37 tessier_ [n=treed@kernel-panic/sex-machines] has joined #scheme 20:49:29 Hm, lispjobs has a rather fresher voice of late. "I can never get Gene Hackmans portrayal of Lex Luthor from the 1978 classic Superman out of my head." 20:49:53 :) 20:50:10 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@c-98-216-70-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 20:50:14 What triggered that comment? 20:50:23 *sjamaan* didn't see any relation to the job posting 20:50:48 I was wondering, too. But it did make me look. 20:50:48 (funny thing: the same evening I saw that post, Superman was on TV) 20:56:19 kuribas [i=kristof@d54C4300E.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 21:07:31 saccade_ [n=saccade@c-98-216-70-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:08:58 lelf [n=lelf@217.118.90.244] has joined #scheme 21:11:04 haole: i have scheme deployed in iraq, funny enough; so military and biotech 21:11:57 Parens of mass destruction! 21:12:02 yeah, no shit 21:12:26 klutometis: that's great... i felt motivated without knowing this, but now i'm even more motivated! :D i'm starting with abelson's and sussman's course, from back in 1986 21:13:10 *sjamaan* offers haole a Lambda 21:13:28 haole: another motivation might be that programming demi-gods hang out in #scheme; you should have heard the zelda discovery motif on the way in 21:13:39 but we have no rupees to give; even if "it's a secret to everyone" 21:14:01 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:14:17 *sladegen* we'll settle for zlotys. 21:14:23 heh 21:14:27 lol 21:14:29 *sjamaan* settles for cookies 21:16:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqFL-y85564 21:16:33 Legend of Zelda Sound Drop - Yellow w/ Discovery Sound 21:16:36 wow tha'ts pretty awesome 21:17:39 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-4-75.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Success] 21:18:19 minion: less memes 21:18:20 watch out, you'll make krystof angry 21:18:48 minion: advice for incubot 21:18:48 incubot: #11953: Of course, this is a heuristic, which is a fancy way of saying that it doesn't work. 21:18:50 which scheme is best graphics? (cheap GDI graphics, perhaps with text labels, nothing fancy) 21:19:01 glogic: dude, maybe i won't have to hack my phone after all 21:19:15 klutometis: i was thinking ringtone 21:21:03 Tankado [n=Woodruff@bzq-79-181-19-96.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #scheme 21:22:43 well, thanks for the information and answers you guys gave me... gonna watch mit's lesson two now :D goodbye 21:22:48 cya 21:22:50 -!- haole [n=kia@200-232-197-236.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:26:48 merlincorey [n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net] has joined #scheme 21:27:27 what an effortless transaction 21:27:42 noob comes with fear and trembling; wants corroboration; goes away like a quivering rabbit 21:28:00 may come back two or three times with diminishing exuberance 21:28:18 probably a goblin. 21:28:37 heh! 21:28:55 Ve vill crush his exuberant spirit like a bug. 21:30:27 -!- dzhus [n=user@93-80-218-215.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:31:55 -!- Tankado [n=Woodruff@bzq-79-181-19-96.red.bezeqint.net] has left #scheme 21:37:13 -!- benny99 [n=benny@p5486FF0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:42:20 r2q2 [n=user@c-24-7-212-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:42:41 Riastradh: Remember that day when you mentioned implementing lisp in graph theory? I think I may do that. 21:42:55 No, I don't think I remember. 21:42:56 Riastradh: By graph theory I mean having the fundamental data structure of a lisp as a graph. 21:43:09 Riastradh: I think thats an interesting idea. 21:46:35 Riastradh: Did you have any other thoughts about it? 21:47:12 r2q2: isn't that technically the case already, since lists are a subset of graphs? 21:48:01 s/are/can be representad as/ 21:48:09 s/ad/ed/ 21:48:28 klutometis: Well yea but you could represent other types of graphs. 21:48:33 graph-oriented programming.... yummie. 21:49:01 r2q2: bidirectional, i.e. doubly-linked lists? 21:49:11 superbidirectional? 21:49:32 graph reduction semantics? 21:50:03 This has been done in the past 21:51:41 ? 21:51:54 klutometis: Yea doubly linked , cyclic. 21:52:09 klutometis: Trees. Nonplanar structures etc... 21:52:54 scheme on an abacus! 22:00:48 incubot: old zloty or new zloty? 22:01:52 minion: chant 22:01:53 MORE MOTIVATED 22:04:14 incubot: dingbat 22:04:16 was the problem to compute the next number after 'dingbat circled sans-serif digit four'? 22:04:37 yes, that would be U+2784 22:08:02 -!- lelf [n=lelf@217.118.90.244] has quit ["used jmIrc"] 22:11:02 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@c-98-216-70-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:11:39 saccade_ [n=saccade@c-98-216-70-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:15:24 Save those Confederate zlotys, boy: the Holy Roman Empire will rise again! 22:19:02 name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has joined #scheme 22:22:16 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@c-98-216-70-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:28:55 saccade_ [n=saccade@c-98-216-70-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:33:39 underspecified [n=eric@c-68-50-36-52.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:34:42 aneqrs [n=andreas@c83-253-104-206.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 22:34:59 Kusanagi [n=Motoko@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 22:39:41 Daemmerung: hilarious; pin up that picture of caesar with an old grey pin 22:41:41 -!- sam_ [n=Sami__@e81-197-69-201.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 22:47:35 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@c-98-216-70-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 22:51:10 -!- underspecified [n=eric@c-68-50-36-52.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:55:23 offby1 [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 23:01:37 synthasee [n=synthase@c-68-63-76-191.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:07:01 -!- kuribas [i=kristof@d54C4300E.access.telenet.be] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 23:09:17 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-69-254-76-231.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:24:55 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:37:14 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:39:37 orgy_ [n=ratm_@pD9FFBA53.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 23:40:15 -!- orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFEC6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:41:09 evoli [n=yuhsin@GRUMPY-FUZZBALL.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 23:41:49 tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-51-165.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 23:42:26 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 23:42:50 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-25-145.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 23:42:52 -!- tizoc_ is now known as tizoc 23:44:48 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-228-143.dsl.look.ca] has quit ["Where is the glory in complying with demands?"] 23:53:22 chturne [n=charlie@host86-128-227-77.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 23:53:37 -!- vixey [n=vicky@amcant.demon.co.uk] has quit ["There exists an infinite set!"] 23:55:15 tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-14-78.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 23:56:59 saccade_ [n=saccade@65.78.24.47] has joined #scheme 23:57:40 -!- a-s [n=user@92.81.96.202] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:58:18 -!- chturne [n=charlie@host86-128-227-77.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection]