00:00:29 I'd call it my plastic pal who's fun to be with. 00:01:06 scheme isn't terse enough to be an assembler for anything 00:02:20 -!- aneqrs [n=andreas@c83-253-104-206.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 00:07:01 -!- langmartin [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:07:46 a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has joined #scheme 00:10:54 k 00:16:59 perl is the assembly language of algorithms 00:18:40 Roger is the perriwinkle of anacoluthons. 00:23:18 -!- pfo [n=pfo@chello084114049188.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:23:33 pfo [n=pfo@chello084114049188.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 00:24:09 -!- fschwidom [n=fschwido@dslb-088-069-165-060.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:26:02 -!- BW^- [i=Miranda@79.138.153.9.bredband.tre.se] has left #scheme 00:31:26 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@business-89-132-61-222.business.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:32:15 attila_lendvai [n=ati@business-89-132-61-222.business.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 00:46:31 -!- koning_r1bot [n=aap@dhcp-077-248-142-146.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:47:35 koning_robot [n=aap@dhcp-077-248-142-146.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 00:52:50 -!- lelf [n=lelf@217.118.90.196] has quit ["used jmIrc"] 00:55:36 -!- ventonegro [n=user@189-95-94-176.3g.claro.net.br] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 00:57:36 rotty: No, the opposite of a fork, a unification. 00:57:49 SCSH should never have forked to begin with. 00:58:29 rotty: they don't have forks in japan... 00:58:55 A simple SRFI would suffice to make the process control functionality available to many Scheme implementations. 01:00:20 z0d [n=z0d@artifact.hu] has joined #scheme 01:03:54 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B057E40.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:05:42 saccade_ [n=saccade@65.78.24.47] has joined #scheme 01:06:03 -!- a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 01:08:19 -!- orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFE978.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Gone."] 01:13:05 -!- underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052011.bbtec.net] has quit [] 01:20:59 sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 01:22:28 incubot: are you delegated or inherited? 01:22:30 right exactly. the opinions should be delegated to the hypothesis part of the argument 01:23:14 incubot: hypothesize! 01:23:16 if there were 3 blue eyes, each blue-eyed person would hypothesize that if there were 2, the 2 other blue-eyed people would leave on the 2ndday 01:24:08 -!- kniu [n=kniu@pool-71-107-51-222.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:24:44 kniu [n=kniu@pool-71-107-51-222.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 01:24:59 incubot: racist! 01:25:01 I must be racist, humans all look alike to me 01:28:35 no, that isn't racist 01:28:47 you have to be able to tell the different races apart 01:28:56 That's just poor facial recognition software. 01:29:06 -!- felipe [n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has quit [Client Quit] 01:30:08 maybe you can still be racist if you use racist terms 01:30:24 Earthling scum! 01:30:49 go home, E.T.! 01:31:12 that's interspecies though 01:31:34 maybe it still counts 01:31:42 racism is a form of speciesim. 01:31:56 since races actually do speciate? 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It's new, and frankly I've never understood what they're up to. 03:44:05 Nobody ever said pimping was easy. 03:45:04 -!- offby1 [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:45:26 offby1 [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 03:47:45 sladegen, DEFINE-MODULE-LOCAL and META are what are known as `magic'. 03:54:31 sladegen, you were not meant to actually use that code, by the way. 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That one doesn't return a boolean indicating whether or not it immediately established the connection. 06:15:28 (Also, it's CONNECT-DAMNIT-CONNECT, not CONNECT-DAMMIT-CONNECT.) 06:15:49 (What you wrote would attempt to connect, and if that failed build a dam and attempt connecting again.) 06:17:32 Not according to ispell and merriam-webster.com... 06:18:42 Whatever absurd authority you defer to, you offered an answer to a question other than the one I asked! 06:20:09 I think I shall lean toward the MAYBE- option. 06:20:58 Hmmm... what are the naming conventions for a side-effecting boolean anyway? Usually booleans predicates would have a `?' suffix. 06:21:09 This is hardly a predicate. 06:21:19 I know, that's why I'm asking :) 06:21:30 I think that there is more precedent for MAYBE- than for any of the other constructions. 06:31:06 -!- ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:31:24 ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has joined #scheme 06:40:57 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-228-143.dsl.look.ca] has quit [] 07:12:52 CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-61-150-59.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:16:56 la al la 07:17:29 -!- topriddy [n=JAVABOY@80.255.61.29] has left #scheme 07:17:54 Riastradh: i like TRY-TO-CONNECT-SOCKET 07:18:31 i like (a) 07:18:41 i dont like adverbs in names 07:19:23 connect-socket/no-fail 07:21:24 or connect-socket/default where default is an argument to be used in case of fail 07:22:15 (You can stop worrying about this now. Poll's over.) 07:22:26 heh 07:25:15 so which one won? 07:43:12 johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 07:44:46 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit ["The funniest things in my life are truth and absurdity."] 07:49:45 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-61-150-59.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:50:16 arcfide [n=arcfide@h-66-167-220-193.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #scheme 07:52:07 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 08:02:46 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #scheme 08:05:35 CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-61-150-59.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 08:05:42 -!- jmccrack__ [n=jmccrack@student312-1.psc.edu] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:10:11 maodun [n=stopgo@c-67-180-49-1.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 08:16:06 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit ["Leaving"] 08:16:30 -!- johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 08:16:42 arcfide: ok, I ported my wp.scm to streams, but it effectively got slower 08:17:09 Ack, remind me again what wp.scm does? :-) 08:17:13 Oh! 08:17:23 Right. 08:17:28 Word counting. 08:17:38 Streams will usually be slower to execute. 08:17:41 that silly fefe benchmark http://ptrace.fefe.de/wp/ :) 08:18:10 Word count sorted by count, right? 08:18:11 it does use quite a bit less memory, though. About 1/10 of the original amount 08:18:17 arcfide: yes 08:18:50 that reminds me 08:19:02 i wrote one in IronScheme 08:19:09 lisppaste: url 08:19:10 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme and enter your paste. 08:19:16 -!- ttmrichter_ [n=ttmricht@59.172.143.193] has quit [Connection timed out] 08:19:44 leppie pasted "word frequency" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/72333 08:22:50 the slowest part by far is the regex 08:22:50 Leonidas annotated #71813 with "wp, ported to streams" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/71813#3 08:24:16 Most time in my code is probably spent on creating hashtables :) 08:24:32 why do you need more than 1? 08:24:33 I could try the PLT profiler 08:24:56 leppie: because I decided to go for immutables 08:25:26 but didnt we decide that was not a good idea, as the entire table will need to be copied? 08:25:48 but wait 08:25:58 oh i see now 08:26:10 leppie: we didn't decide, but I knew that from the start. 08:26:41 maybe I could replace unicode-strings by bytestrings so if would use even less memory 08:26:44 ok, if the hashtable is immutable, im not playing :) 08:27:13 Quadrescence [n=quad@c-24-118-118-178.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 08:27:31 leppie: I've got the only implementation which uses a immutable hashtable, I think. 08:27:34 what happens to all the previous copies of the hashtables? 08:28:11 leppie: get collected by the GC, I guess. A smarter compiler could reuse them and actually make them mutable under the hood. 08:28:53 why would a compiler try to outsmart you? 08:29:15 rcy [n=rcy@S01060002553240a8.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 08:29:36 johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 08:29:42 -!- johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:29:55 but didnt your code use like 3gb ram on a 40mb file? 08:29:59 leppie: optimization. 08:30:29 Which scheme implementations are known "high performance" (in the sense they produce fast code)? 08:30:35 leppie: it used to take up 700+ MB on a 45 MB file, right. 08:31:04 leppie: (emphasis on "used", until 9 minutes ago) 08:31:18 how much now? :) 08:31:35 leppie: now it is more like ~70 08:31:52 Quadrescence: Stalin, Bigloo, maybe Gambit 08:31:53 thats what mine uses too, it seems to flatten out 08:32:05 Quadrescence: depends what you want to do 08:32:22 Ikarus is damn fast, as I learnt yesterday 08:32:25 again 08:32:27 leppie: General programming, I guess 08:32:33 -!- cmatei [n=cmatei@85.186.180.45] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:33:01 I've been studying CL, and decided to just give scheme a shot too. 08:33:03 leppie: Ikarus could release more often 08:33:08 wassup 08:33:19 Leonidas: i just update from the repo 08:35:15 leppie: you into r kelly? 08:35:20 i did metion to him he should make another release 08:35:26 wtf banisterfiend? 08:35:32 leppie: yes, sure, but the 0.0.3 doesn't sound very mature and infrequent releases send the signal of being dead 08:35:41 nm 08:35:41 leppie: ultimate example: SLIME 08:35:57 does anyone know if SLIME works with the most recent build of sbcl? 08:36:12 banisterfiend: better ask in #lisp? 08:36:16 banisterfiend: Works for me. 08:36:24 Quadrescence: hmm iddn't work for me :/ 08:36:30 but should work, since SBCL developers use SLIME 08:36:48 Leonidas: Can you email me your test file? 08:37:07 45mb email? 08:37:19 I remember testing this on Chez with a 700 some meg file, and it was pretty fast. 08:37:38 leppie: it compresses down to 1 or 2 MB 08:38:14 Is there a more-or-less "standard" scheme ide? 08:38:39 (sort of like Slime is for CL) 08:38:50 arcfide: as long as you promise not to put the logfile of my employer somewhere online :) 08:38:54 i wish there was :) 08:39:09 Heh, sure. 08:39:26 but im married to Visual Studio... 08:39:49 Most people use Emacs. 08:39:51 I use nvi. 08:39:57 Happy Happy Joy Joy 08:40:03 It seems that there is some Eclipse plugin that people like, too. 08:40:25 arcfide: beh, I prefer something lightweight 08:40:25 arcfide: that did look nice at one stage, but it never get updated... 08:40:51 I just want my editor and repl 08:40:51 :D 08:41:28 arcfide: ok, mail is on it's way. 08:41:45 Quadrescence: I use MrEd. 08:42:07 There is Jazz Scheme for Windows, that has an IDE 08:42:35 leppie: whyt are you married to visual studio 08:42:53 arcfide: nvi was just too painful for me. Even vim, which I normally use, is too painful for Lisp 08:43:14 day job, pretty much the only IDE i ever used for the last 6-7 years, besides my own 08:43:32 Old skool vi had a Lisp mode 08:43:36 Leonidas: I haven't found it painful at all. 08:43:37 *sjamaan* wonders what that was like 08:43:52 And I am planning to add lisp mode back into nvi a la old school vi. 08:43:56 nvi's documentation mentions it, and that it was not re-implemented in nvi 08:44:16 Quadrescence: Editor and REPL, there it is: http://plt-scheme.org/screenshots/graphical-syntax.jpg 08:44:18 arcfide: Now that would be neat. Do you know what it was like? 08:44:29 Yeah, it was fairly simple. 08:44:37 sjamaan: vim has still a lisp mode. 08:44:40 MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@chld.ru] has joined #scheme 08:44:40 Made a few keystrokes work over s-exprs. 08:44:53 Indented automatically using regular Lisp indentation. 08:45:00 Leonidas: Can this be used with Ikarus, or just their implementation? 08:45:53 Just the indentation would be a great improvement 08:45:54 Quadrescence: the editor can be used, the REPL is Mz-only, because it is tied very deeply into MrEd. 08:46:02 leppie: c# programmer? 08:46:12 yip 08:46:16 Leonidas: shucks 08:47:44 leppie: *sigh* bzr is really slow when cloning over remote :/ 08:47:55 indeed 08:48:21 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-62-141.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:48:52 ttmrichter [n=ttmricht@221.235.56.194] has joined #scheme 08:48:55 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-62-141.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 08:49:03 arrgg 08:53:07 sjamaan: You can indent pretty easily using autoindent. 08:53:20 Leonidas, why are you still on this problem? 08:53:34 Saying nothing for the fact that you've got me testing two implementations of it on Chez. 08:53:46 leppie: do c++ programmers still make more than c# programmers? 08:54:29 -!- synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:54:54 arcfide: But autoindent does not automatically de-indent on ), nor does it reindent entire s-expressions when you change some stuff 08:55:08 banisterfiend: i have no idea 08:55:24 When I tried editing with nvi I kept pressing 'x' all the time, or adding new spaces to shift some stuff to the right 08:55:43 Stuff tends to move around more than with C-like languages 08:56:08 sjamaan: The use of sw option with ^D helps that. 08:56:22 Along with >> 08:56:23 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 08:56:39 But, know, it's not as convenient without lisp mode, and certainly not Emacs-like. 08:57:11 arcfide: just because I wanted to try how to implement it. And then, after it worked, I tried to optimize it without giving up immutability. 08:57:17 What does ^D do? 08:57:36 ah, it shifts left 08:57:46 arcfide: and, well, I'm a CS student. I like pointless hacking ;) 08:58:12 Try the Weight-blanced trees in MIT Scheme, which have a functional interface. 09:00:22 Leonidas: I am testing my hashtable version in Chez right now with a 437MB xml file. 09:01:08 arcfide: thanks, will take a look at that 09:02:11 It will take a while for your email to get to me, because of grey-listing. 09:03:16 *Leonidas* got rid of grey-listing 09:03:39 Turned out that Spamassassin is still quite effective and I get my mail faster :) 09:04:42 -!- raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:05:08 Nice, someone documented streams: http://wiki.freaks-unidos.net/strings%20as%20streams%20in%20scheme 09:06:29 Vaeshir [n=zane@adsl-216-103-252-124.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 09:06:58 these weight balanced trees in MIT scheme sound very nice 09:07:20 The version I am testing uses only 65MB tops for a 437MB file. 09:07:57 arcfide: 09:08:29 ups, sorry. I was thinking whether XML has more or less words then logfiles. It's probably more or less the same. 09:08:45 Total different words was about 275000. 09:09:32 -!- merlincorey [n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:10:17 Leonidas: Where is the link for your original version that didn't use Streams? 09:11:09 arcfide: http://paste.lisp.org/display/71813 the annotations mark the steps of optimization. 09:12:30 And what were your results? 09:16:19 Someone give me a short interesting snippet of scheme code to run (just to test), please. :) 09:17:19 arcfide: first the logic got better, then I replaced the regex and now I switched to streams 09:17:38 arcfide annotated #71813 with "Version for Chez" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/71813#4 09:17:39 Quadrescence: o_O 09:17:53 running low on battery power :-/ See you later 09:18:01 rmrfchik: sudo rm -rf /, right? 09:18:06 ;o 09:18:19 I am guession my version is faster than the streams version, but it should also run in very little memory compared to your tokenizer version. 09:18:28 Quadrescence: ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) 09:18:58 rmrfchik: That doesn't do something interesting. :D 09:19:12 -!- elf [i=elf@antenora.aculei.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:19:27 elf [i=elf@antenora.aculei.net] has joined #scheme 09:19:33 Quadrescence: heh 09:19:51 ugh, I'll just do (+ 1 1) 09:19:59 lol 09:20:11 That worked. 09:20:36 you're kidding 09:20:53 Quadrescence: how about (((call/cc identity) identity) "foo") 09:21:38 identity is an irritant, supposedly 09:22:37 fschwidom [n=fschwido@dslb-088-069-165-060.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 09:24:13 Quadrescence: What are you testing? 09:24:26 Vaeshir: Ikarus + emacs 09:25:07 it's just (lambda (x) x) 09:25:50 use values 09:29:07 leppie: yepp, right. in a more useful definition IDENTITY would probably just be VALUES 09:29:42 valeus is actually better :) 09:29:51 arcfide annotated #71813 with "Better read-word" at 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Isn't this this wacky? :) 14:10:44 Leonidas: Thats a good thing. 14:10:56 Leonidas: The movie took liberties with reality. 14:11:19 -!- cracki [n=cracki@40-050.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:15:01 *r2q2* loves theoretical computer science. 14:16:47 rfgpfeiffer [n=rfgpfeif@wlan1.asg-platform.org] has joined #scheme 14:16:50 -!- Kusanagi [n=Motoko@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [] 14:18:14 sam_ [n=Sami__@hoasnet-fe1add00-113.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #scheme 14:22:31 hemulen [n=hemulen@rrcs-96-10-19-242.se.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme 14:27:48 -!- mqt [i=tran@monaco.nirv.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:27:52 mqt [i=tran@monaco.nirv.net] has joined #scheme 14:29:09 Kusanagi [n=Motoko@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 14:54:17 Fare [n=Fare@c-71-232-6-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:00:10 karsten_ [n=karsten@dslb-088-074-060-021.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 15:07:43 calvin_ [i=calvin@brutaldeluxe.com] has joined #scheme 15:08:02 -!- calvin_ [i=calvin@brutaldeluxe.com] has left #scheme 15:08:05 nvteighen [n=nvteighe@85.Red-79-147-181.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 15:08:51 hi 15:09:52 hi 15:11:32 how would you deploy a Scheme script? 15:11:56 I would just give the script as a text file to you 15:12:19 I bet that answer is somehow inadequate 15:13:14 well, I'm thinking more on a several-files project :p 15:13:41 annodomini [n=lambda@130.189.179.215] has joined #scheme 15:15:24 hiyuh [n=hiyuh@KD125054017176.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 15:21:00 nvteighen, can you be more specific about your question? 15:21:12 A very general question usually nets a very general answer. 15:21:17 Or a very specific, unhelpful answer :) 15:21:20 :) 15:21:26 ok, let's see 15:21:42 I have a Scheme program consisting in three modules 15:22:15 The first one is at toplevel and (load) the other two placed at a subdirectory called modules/ 15:22:23 (I'm on GNU/Linux) 15:23:00 So, what would be the appropriate way to deploy such a thing? Creating a world image and distribute that? 15:23:14 or the .scm files? 15:29:33 ejs1 [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #scheme 15:31:46 -!- hiyuh [n=hiyuh@KD125054017176.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit ["|_ e /\ \/ i |/| G"] 15:32:07 jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 15:33:32 nvteighen, it would generally be more useful for your users to distribute the .scm files rather than a compiled image, but that depends on your audience. 15:34:02 any reason why? 15:35:09 (I mean, why it is more useful to give .scm files rather than an image?) 15:38:06 Daemmerung [n=goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has joined #scheme 15:38:36 -!- ejs2 [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:40:27 nvteighen, because it's a lot easier to recompile source files to run in another instance than it is to attempt to dump an image, extract the source, port and it -then- recompile elsewhere. 15:40:34 It all depends on what you're trying to do, though. 15:40:54 wait, world images are not cross-platform? 15:40:56 If your goal is to ship a seamless user experience to a wide group of potential users, by all means, ship a compiled image. 15:41:06 nvteighen, world images are not cross-implementation. 15:41:23 ok, then I'll stick to .scm... thanks! 15:41:24 What if someone wants to run your code under Scheme48, or Gambit, or Ikarus? 15:41:30 No problem. Best of luck! 15:41:34 good point 15:44:13 Well, this will require a bit more complex .deb package... :D 15:51:19 jdijk [n=jerry@ftth-212-84-159-210.solcon.nl] has joined #scheme 15:51:44 -!- jdijk [n=jerry@ftth-212-84-159-210.solcon.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 15:57:20 wastrel [n=wastrel@nylug/member/wastrel] has joined #scheme 15:57:40 -!- nvteighen [n=nvteighe@85.Red-79-147-181.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #scheme 15:57:56 darker-desires [n=folquen_@78.150.24.200] has joined #scheme 15:58:17 any1 knows any download channel o warez network on irc ? 15:58:28 darker-desires: Yea #go-fuck-yourself 15:58:35 darker-desires: Lurk moar. 15:59:09 hey anyone want to look at a new type of computer that is turning complete? 15:59:29 oh my god r2q2 SHUT UP 15:59:36 ? 16:00:02 vixey, please. You can do better than that. 16:00:27 Dawgmatix [n=deep@207-237-30-94.c3-0.avec-ubr11.nyr-avec.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 16:02:56 hiyuh [n=hiyuh@KD125054017176.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 16:03:16 any1 friendly there to help me ? 16:03:57 darker-desires: This is absolutely the wrong network to do any trading of "warez" or similar 16:04:41 darker-desires: i.e. it would not even be acceptable to mention other IRCs that *do* to someone on here 16:05:36 wow, troll showdown 16:05:50 I have a VISION! It's a RANCID double-FISHWICH on an ENRICHED BUN!! 16:07:40 -!- ejs1 [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:08:32 -!- a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 16:09:52 ern [n=karsten@dslb-088-074-045-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 16:10:04 Anyways. 16:10:11 -!- ern is now known as ern_ 16:15:16 r2q2, what new type of computer did you mean, earlier? 16:18:00 -!- karsten_ [n=karsten@dslb-088-074-060-021.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:21:29 -!- maodun [n=stopgo@c-67-180-49-1.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:22:46 saccade_ [n=saccade@65.78.24.47] has joined #scheme 16:23:51 -!- darker-desires [n=folquen_@78.150.24.200] has left #scheme 16:26:52 -!- tessier_ [n=treed@kernel-panic/sex-machines] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 16:27:30 tessier_ [n=treed@kernel-panic/sex-machines] has joined #scheme 16:28:12 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bbl"] 16:28:17 -!- tessier_ [n=treed@kernel-panic/sex-machines] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:28:56 tessier_ [n=treed@kernel-panic/sex-machines] has joined #scheme 16:29:12 exexex [n=chatzill@85.97.6.31] has joined #scheme 16:33:07 -!- name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 16:42:55 -!- kniu [n=kniu@pool-71-107-51-222.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:43:40 kniu [n=kniu@pool-71-107-51-222.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 16:45:14 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65.78.24.47] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 16:48:31 -!- Fare [n=Fare@c-71-232-6-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:53:47 -!- exexex [n=chatzill@85.97.6.31] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:58:05 LeCamarade [n=LeCamara@41.222.7.35] has joined #scheme 17:04:04 krat3r [n=krat@bl4-39-43.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 17:16:19 saccade_ [n=saccade@65.78.24.47] has joined #scheme 17:17:27 -!- rfgpfeiffer [n=rfgpfeif@wlan1.asg-platform.org] has quit [] 17:25:35 athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has joined #scheme 17:28:00 borism_ [n=boris@195-50-197-14-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has joined #scheme 17:28:00 -!- LeCamarade [n=LeCamara@41.222.7.35] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:31:35 rushfan [n=rushfan@155.33.149.22] has joined #scheme 17:31:48 Hello. How do I connect to a raw socket in scheme? I'm writing an IRC bot 17:32:19 -!- Quadrescence [n=quad@c-24-118-118-178.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:33:32 which scheme implementation 17:34:03 vixey: gauche or plt 17:34:12 plt being mzscheme 17:35:04 -!- krat3r [n=krat@bl4-39-43.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 17:35:58 Raw socket? Why do you want a raw socket for IRC? 17:36:48 I don't thikn they literally mean Raw :P 17:38:27 Riastradh: is there an easier way to do it? 17:38:42 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65.78.24.47] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:40:28 Why do you want your IRC bot to be concerned with the internal details of the network protocols and interfaces? Why do you care about anything below a stream socket on the internet? 17:40:44 rushfan, you meant a TCP one right? 17:40:49 vixey: yes 17:40:52 rushfan, 'raw' has an other meaning you might not have known 17:40:56 Just open a socket on 6667 17:40:58 vixey: oh 17:40:59 my bad 17:41:09 I jsut want to open a socket to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 17:41:15 I think I found the right .plt file anyow 17:42:52 (require scheme/tcp) followed by `tcp-connect' 17:43:26 -!- foof [n=user@clair12.naist.jp] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:43:45 or hang out here and ask offby1 for the innermost secrets of rudybot. 17:43:49 -!- edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:43:50 Daemmerung: ty 17:44:07 edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 17:45:09 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-105-1-236.w193-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 17:46:37 MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has joined #scheme 17:48:17 -!- rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:48:35 rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 17:54:52 saccade_ [n=saccade@65.78.24.47] has joined #scheme 17:57:47 -!- rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:58:06 rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 18:01:25 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:03:58 -!- rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:06:21 karsten_ [n=karsten@dslb-088-072-246-221.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 18:06:38 a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has joined #scheme 18:07:15 rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 18:07:33 -!- Daemmerung [n=goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:07:38 Daemmerung [n=goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has joined #scheme 18:09:35 Daemmerung: I'll talk to offby1. I did this in python but I'm quite grasping how to use scheme's tcp protocols 18:10:04 rushfan, it's a minor point, but Scheme doesn't have TCP protocol access; a particular Scheme implementation does. 18:10:05 -!- karsten_ [n=karsten@dslb-088-072-246-221.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:10:20 karsten_ [n=karsten@dslb-088-072-246-221.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 18:10:22 gnomon: yeah I should point out that I'm using plt-scheme 18:10:47 -!- edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:11:02 edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 18:11:12 geckosenator [n=sean@c-75-71-72-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:11:15 rushfan, cool. I just mean to point out that you're learning PLT's socket system, not Scheme's socket system. It may be a minor point now, but it's important to note. 18:11:23 ...and to keep in mind later. 18:12:24 yeah 18:13:01 gnomon: do you know anythign about plt's socket system? Mainly if its any good? I just don't want to waste time doing this in the wrong implimentation if it'd be easier in gauche or something 18:13:30 What you want to do is straightforward with PLT's networking API. 18:14:17 Riastradh: ok thank you. Now I just need to figure out how to use its networking API. hehe 18:14:28 -!- ern_ [n=karsten@dslb-088-074-045-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:15:05 Riastradh: thats the stuff provided by scheme/tcp right? 18:15:06 aneqrs [n=andreas@c83-253-104-206.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 18:15:06 cause i 18:15:12 I read through the documentation on that* 18:18:26 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65.78.24.47] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 18:19:01 -!- Daemmerung [n=goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:19:04 cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #scheme 18:19:22 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:19:36 Guest28780 [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #scheme 18:20:09 Daemmerung [n=goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has joined #scheme 18:20:32 -!- Guest28780 is now known as cracki 18:20:48 Riastradh: alright I finally tracked down the networking docs. 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I'm trying to get a simple IRC bot going but I am not finding the docs helpful on it's networking at all. Maybe somebody even knows a great web-site that could get me pointed in the right direction. :) 20:47:21 jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.208.195] has joined #scheme 20:47:24 rushfan: You may check out rudybot's source. 20:47:38 rushfan: rudybot is an irc bot written in PLT Scheme if I remember. 20:47:45 I think it is written by offby1. 20:47:54 arcfide: awesome, do you know where the source is hosted? 20:48:00 I wrote an irc bot in plt too 20:48:01 Unfortunately, I do not. 20:48:05 rudybot: source 20:48:05 mejja: http://github.com/offby1/rudybot 20:48:16 jonrafkind: do you have that code anywhere? 20:48:18 thanks for the help guys 20:48:18 yea 20:48:29 jonrafkind: can I take a look please? 20:48:36 of course, just a sec 20:48:41 I just want the basic code driving the reading of the port 20:49:23 http://www.cs.utah.edu/~rafkind/tmp/irc 20:49:41 jonrafkind: thank you 20:49:58 melito [n=melito@c-71-197-146-242.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:50:01 awesome yours is much more simple than rudybot :) Easier to learn from 20:50:14 yea, very simple because it doesnt do a whole lot :p 20:50:28 jonrafkind: oh well, once I get the basic idea I can expand it out. 20:50:36 ya 20:50:57 Ive been using scheme for my fundies class and after learning to love it Im tying to do useful things with it now, after some idiot told me scheme was useless as a real programming tool 20:51:33 well its probably the most difficult language I've ever used, but once you learn it its nice 20:51:45 jonrafkind: I really like it. I hated it at first 20:52:01 But once you adapt to it you're hooked. 20:52:15 rushfan, I hear that stuff a lot, it's weird.. I can't figure out where these people get the idea from (or the confidence in it to state is as fact) 20:52:55 probably real systems that use scheme aren't widely publicized 20:53:14 I can't think of any off the top of my head besides drscheme 20:53:20 vixey: its called fear. They're afraid of scheme so they discredit it rather than learning it. They don't want to cope with the fact that they don't understand it, so they just dismiss it 20:54:21 that sounds very likel 20:54:22 that sounds very likely 20:54:23 my java programming friends dont understand my scheme code so they all just say its worhtless 20:54:49 *rushfan* still needs to learn plt's class system 20:55:33 you wouldn't need to prove scheme's worth through theory if you could point at a major system that impressed them 20:55:50 true 20:59:41 Scheme is great as a secret weapon 20:59:47 Who cares who uses it? 21:00:05 good call 21:00:16 if you want to use it in a team of other people it starts to matter 21:00:17 I still want to see an operating system written in scheme just for the heck of it 21:00:24 Let them mess about with their crappy languages 21:00:57 also isolating yourself from the rest of the world isn't productive 21:01:05 it is! 21:01:12 well, sometimes :p 21:01:22 think about meditation 21:01:29 jonrafkind: pst its been productive in my life :P 21:01:51 well you're in #scheme now :) 21:02:02 im never even going to have a job in IT, what do I care if everyone hates my language 21:02:08 I'll just use it for myself 21:02:28 jonrafkind: Is working within the Scheme community isolating yourself? 21:02:37 no 21:02:38 yes 21:02:41 :p 21:02:42 :P 21:02:44 :D 21:03:15 I'd much rather build some really great stuff with a handful of people who absolutely love the language than work on something mediocre with people who are just using it because they have to 21:03:21 Maybe I'm insane 21:03:34 yes. Id rather scheme with a few ppl than write java code with a bunch of people 21:03:47 (I hate java to no end -- it's hard to explain) 21:04:01 "Id rather scheme with a few ppl than write java code with a bunch of people" :) 21:04:03 Nichibutsu [n=myfabse@wikipedia/Track-n-Field] has joined #scheme 21:04:14 if you don't use macros you can write "scheme" in java, its just much more verbose 21:04:27 *sjamaan* cringes 21:04:34 its basically how I use java these days 21:04:34 jonrafkind: eck. I know 21:04:35 *sjamaan* writes "scheme" in PHP 21:04:38 I did a scheme interpeter in java 21:04:41 it was awful 21:04:47 oh like kawa? 21:04:49 I still get facial ticks at the thought of it 21:04:53 jonrafkind: except mine sucked hard 21:04:56 heh 21:05:14 so mabye its as good as half the scheme implementations out there.. 21:05:27 I never got the damn thing working, but oh well. I just got too frustrated with java 21:05:39 jonrafkind: heh. How bad are the other ones? Ive never gone outside of PLT 21:05:58 rushfan: There are lots of small crappy implementations 21:06:02 heh I dunno, i was kidding. i've never used anything other than plt seriously 21:06:18 I guess I used larceny for a while 21:06:20 But the major ones are all pretty good 21:06:24 Ive used gauche for a bit 21:06:29 Cause gauche has gtk bindings 21:06:35 It'd be nice if PLT had gtk bindings 21:06:40 It doesn't? 21:06:45 That's surprising 21:06:49 I didn't think so. 21:06:55 It has its own GUI toolkit thing. 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what the fruit 22:39:37 rudybot: eval #x1.921fb54442d18 22:39:37 mejja: ; Value: 1.5707963267948966 22:39:59 rudybot: eval #x1.921fb54442d18p+1 22:39:59 mejja: error: eval:1:0: read-number: bad decimal number: 1.921fb54442d18p+1 22:40:01 wasabi_________1 [n=wasabi@ntoska163007.oska.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 22:41:01 rudybot: eval (inexact->exact 1e100) 22:41:02 zbigniew: ; Value: 10000000000000000159028911097599180468360808563945281389781327557747838772170381060813469985856815104 22:41:08 mejja, patches welcome... 22:41:11 rudybot: eval (number->string (acos -1) 16) 22:41:11 mejja: error: number->string: inexact numbers can only be printed in base 10 22:41:13 -!- edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:41:46 edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 22:42:11 rudybot: eval (string->number "2.7be151628aed2a7" #x10) 22:42:11 Riastradh: ; Value: 2.483906828459045 22:42:51 rudybot: eval (string->number "2.b7e151628aed2a7" #x10) 22:42:51 Riastradh: ; Value: 2.718281828459045 22:42:55 That's better. 22:43:41 So PLT Scheme supports parsing hexadecimal but not unparsing it, whereas MIT Scheme supports the converse. 22:44:51 incubot: eval (number->string (acos -1) 16) 22:44:52 3.14159265358979 22:45:36 ...er. 22:45:37 Why, that looks remarkably close to PI in base 10. 22:45:40 *Riastradh* hiccups. 22:46:10 incubot: eval '|hello| 22:46:11 (begin (cons 'Hello #\space) (cons 'world 'node)) 22:46:16 zbigniew: well, that *is* the first 14 digits of pi 22:46:35 incubot, grass is green 22:46:37 i think it's just a "grass is greener on the other side" kind of thing 22:46:54 you're not a bot 22:46:55 incubot: eval (cons (number->string 100.0 16) (number->string 100.1 16)) 22:46:56 (64 . 100.1) 22:47:15 *Riastradh* blinks. 22:47:15 I sense a pattern here. 22:47:40 And Chicken is just broken. 22:50:14 rudybot: eval (acos -1) 22:50:14 proq: ; Value: 3.141592653589793 22:50:20 -!- wasabi_________0 [n=wasabi@ntoska150195.oska.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:50:33 incubot: eval (eqv? (inexact->exact 1e100) 10000000000000000159028911097599180468360808563945281389781327557747838772170381060813469985856815104) 22:50:34 Error: (inexact->exact) inexact number can not be represented as an exact number: 1e+100 22:50:58 .oO("No bignums?") 22:53:57 I don't think inexact->exact works when there is precision overflow. 22:55:14 To be precise, INEXACT->EXACT fails when the underlying implementation is broken. 22:55:56 Is it libgmp that is the issue? rudybot and chicken [under (use numbers)] display the exact same answer 22:56:01 error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:56:17 Huh, no it does. Oh that's incubot. 22:56:18 I don't know which scheme incubot runs. 22:57:13 Chicken 22:57:19 chicken, without (use numbers) 22:57:20 Larceny: (number->string (acos -1) 16) => "#i3243f6a8885a3/1000000000000" 22:57:20 incubot: eval || 22:57:22 eval (exact? 1.5) 22:57:28 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:58:29 mejja: Same with Scheme48 22:58:49 exexex [n=chatzill@88.234.121.182] has joined #scheme 22:58:57 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:59:31 Gee... 23:01:03 rudybot: eval (inexact->exact (expt 1 100)) 23:01:04 sladegen: ; Value: 1 23:01:11 oops 23:01:16 heh 23:01:21 rudybot: eval (inexact->exact (expt 10 100)) 23:01:21 sladegen: ; Value: 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 23:01:34 sheesh. 23:04:00 minion: chant 23:04:01 MORE THAN 23:05:53 rudybot: eval #e1e23 23:05:54 zbigniew: ; Value: 100000000000000000000000 23:07:36 Arelius [n=Indy@209.77.67.98] has joined #scheme 23:09:04 rudybot: eval (inexact->exact (expt 10.0 100)) 23:09:05 sladegen: ; Value: 10000000000000000159028911097599180468360808563945281389781327557747838772170381060813469985856815104 23:09:17 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has quit ["leaving"] 23:11:48 rudybot: eval (exact? (expt 10 100)) 23:11:49 zbigniew: ; Value: #t 23:11:56 rudybot: eval (exact? (expt 10.0 100)) 23:11:57 zbigniew: ; Value: #f 23:12:03 sladegen: that is why 23:12:14 -!- Arelius [n=Indy@209.77.67.98] has quit [Client Quit] 23:12:59 sure, i was just comparing difference with scheme48 (it's more wrong) 23:13:09 rudybot: eval (inexact->exact (expt 10 100.0)) 23:13:10 sladegen: ; Value: 10000000000000000159028911097599180468360808563945281389781327557747838772170381060813469985856815104 23:13:48 incubot: magical auto-increment 23:13:50 (define (increment dig-list) 23:15:00 mejja pasted "feature request: #x[-]H.HHHp[+|-]DD" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/72373 23:15:28 -!- exexex [n=chatzill@88.234.121.182] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:16:14 raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has joined #scheme 23:19:52 -!- edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:20:18 edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 23:24:08 Arelius [n=Indy@209.77.67.98] has joined #scheme 23:25:31 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:34:26 -!- vixey [n=vicky@amcant.demon.co.uk] has quit ["There exists an infinite set!"] 23:36:13 JohnnyL [i=JohnnyL@ool-182ddad4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 23:36:26 -!- JohnnyL [i=JohnnyL@ool-182ddad4.dyn.optonline.net] has left #scheme 23:36:46 -!- langmartin [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:37:02 seth [n=seth@76-191-139-155.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 23:43:36 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@gateway.publicvpn.net] has quit [] 23:44:31 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bbl"] 23:53:44 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-8-251.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:53:45 tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-47-39.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 23:55:36 -!- edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:56:00 edw` [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 23:56:11 -!- tizoc_ is now known as tizoc 23:56:24 -!- kuribas [i=kristof@d54C4300E.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 23:59:00 damonwang [n=damonwan@pool-72-88-129-125.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme