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Probably a more involved question. 03:38:16 -!- sam_ [n=Sami__@hoasnet-fe1add00-113.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 03:38:27 ok, I'm just rolling towards the nearest bed.... 03:39:58 Roll on, brother. 03:40:42 -!- fschwidom [n=fschwido@dslb-088-068-124-061.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:40:55 -!- peter_12 [n=peter@pool-71-105-154-91.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [] 03:45:00 oh damn... I didn't realize the GUI potential ... very impressive! 03:45:08 incubot: amazing 03:45:10 nothing amazing. and the fact that it is 2:27 03:49:58 So I'm probably going to mangle this question, but in PLT scheme I'm trying to define a syntax macro that's only available within the lexical scope of another syntax form. Any ideas on how to do that? 03:55:58 -!- pitui [n=pitui@c-76-98-192-104.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:59:49 wasabi_______ [n=wasabi@ntoska205253.oska.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 04:00:31 -!- eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-147-189.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["leaving"] 04:01:16 *Vaeshir* suspects with-syntax is what he wants. 04:04:31 *offby1`* suspects likewise 04:08:45 -!- melito [n=melito@70.99.250.82] has quit ["Leaving..."] 04:12:34 arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-137-203-206.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 04:12:38 -!- wasabi______ [n=wasabi@ntoska205253.oska.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:20:29 *Vaeshir* boggles. 04:23:44 jlongster [n=user@c-68-59-187-95.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:23:59 -!- wingo-tp [n=wingo@131.Red-81-38-183.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 04:24:21 *offby1`* Parchesis 04:24:44 I've been playing around with the plt gui toolkit for a bit now.... but I'm confused about the issue of taking the standard output from my main program and simply displaying it as it happens in the gui... so far I've a frame, a dialog, etc.. but I haven't been able to figure out how to show output.. should I be concerned with the eventspaces, windowing only? don't think drawing is what I want... 04:25:31 list-box comes close, but it appears I have to enter items manually rather than relay program data 04:26:57 I am pretty sure I've done that 04:27:03 I _think_ you can just spew to the console 04:27:10 But you can also spew to a window. 04:27:26 -!- johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 04:30:25 -!- arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-137-203-206.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:31:32 offby1`, do you know of any examples? 04:31:34 Vaeshir, let-syntax 04:32:29 wingo-tp [n=wingo@81.Red-81-38-181.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 04:33:08 jonrafkind: Just use that in the template part of the enclosing syntax-rules statement? 04:33:17 CaptainMorgan: gimme a minute 04:33:29 Vaeshir, well it has to be syntax-case 04:33:41 jonrafkind: Ah. Why? 04:33:45 This is all very new. 04:33:52 because syntax-rules automatically quotes its template 04:33:57 no problem 04:34:16 CaptainMorgan: where can I send a (small) tarball? 04:34:24 whatever the template of syntax-rules is will be the code that the macro expands to 04:34:51 if you want to use a macro in the template where that macro only exists in the lexical scope of the first macro, use let-syntax, or you can do another define-syntax inside the first syntax 04:35:30 (define-syntax (foo stx) (define-syntax whatever ...) (syntax-case stx () ...)) 04:36:17 I see. I didn't understand the implicit quoting of the template. 04:36:30 ok I guess you could do (syntax-rules () (pattern (let-syntax (...) ...)), ive never tried it though 04:38:56 incubot: if you're gonna spew, spew into this 04:38:58 see, each eval can generate a value, and it can also spew output to stdout (and to stderr, too, but I silently drop that). Both are potentially interesting, so --- what do I do with them? 04:39:53 -!- phao [n=phao@189.13.133.142] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:40:07 i guess offby1 uses the word 'spew' a lot 04:40:57 I do. 04:41:23 I spit out like a sewer hole, yet still receive your kiss. 04:41:31 I need a remedy, for what's ailing me. 04:43:18 thank you offby1` - that looks to be pretty similar to what I'm trying to accomplish 04:45:17 damn, I've got one o' those ticks again 04:45:20 can't shake 'em 04:47:15 incubot: careful, you'll get lyme disease 04:47:17 LyME. 04:48:45 With rudybot's eval and incubot's witty comebacks, we've almost got a replacement for Sarah... 04:48:50 ... almost. 04:54:56 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-228-143.dsl.look.ca] has quit [] 04:55:39 rudybot: whyn't you two go get a room. Here's a coupon for a bottle of vodka from room service 04:58:43 perhaps if rudybot, incubot and minion combined to form voltron... 04:59:46 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:59:53 incubot: anything in there about voltron? 04:59:55 (I am probably not telling you anything new) 05:02:49 -!- AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable230.56-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["strawberries"] 05:04:43 -!- Kopophex [n=kopophex@dtp-1.dyn.cs.washington.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:05:29 incubot: by the power of greyskull 05:05:31 Let's suppose I told you that you were allowed a power source for the computer, adequate connections to make the computer run, and no details about the operating system that is running on your machine. 05:06:00 incubot: grayskull 05:06:03 Or was that the power of Grayskull? 05:11:40 jonrafkind: Hmm. That usage of let-syntax seems to let me use the inner macro in the template, but doesn't let me use the inner-macro in the syntax being handled, if that makes sense. 05:11:56 MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@chld.ru] has joined #scheme 05:12:03 anyone here ever write a siggraph paper? 05:12:05 mm, i dont get it 05:12:18 what do you mean "in the syntax being handled" 05:12:22 anyone here ever write a siggraph paper? (besides karl popper's evolved creatures, i've never seen a siggraph paper in scheme) 05:12:30 jonrafkind: I want behavior kind of like 'else' in cond. 05:13:04 as a macro? like match pattern1, pattern2, pattern3, else ... ? 05:13:22 jonrafkind: Say 'bar' is a macro, but it's only usable within a define-syntax'd 'foo' form. e.x.: (foo (bar x)) is valid, but simply (bar x) at the top level isn't. 05:13:41 Does that follow? 05:13:47 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@chld.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 05:13:52 yes, but else is a literal keyword inside a macro 05:13:54 MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@chld.ru] has joined #scheme 05:13:54 its not a macro itself 05:13:57 Right. 05:14:04 so do you want literal keywords or lexically scoped macros? 05:14:09 Lexically scoped macros. 05:14:15 ok, I have a solution for you 05:14:18 let me dig up some code 05:14:21 I am excited by this. 05:14:22 :) 05:15:09 hm, well actually it might work.. 05:15:51 (define-syntax-parameter bar (lambda (stx) (error "dont use bar outside foo")) 05:16:05 that sets up an identifier, bar, that can only be used in a syntax transformer 05:16:15 Aha! 05:16:23 I thought parameters might be involved somehow. 05:16:34 Then there's with-syntax-parameter or something? 05:17:03 so then you will write foo like (define-syntax (foo stx) (syntax-case stx () (blah #'(let ((x (syntax-parameterize (bar (make-rename-transformer #'1))))) x))) 05:17:05 or something like that 05:17:18 but you want bar as a macro, not just renamed as an identifier, which is what im unsure about 05:17:20 let me try it.. 05:18:47 btw, you need (require scheme/stxparam) 05:19:43 M'k. 05:22:21 I can't seem to replace the syntax identifier with a macro identifier 05:26:58 Hmm. 05:30:08 This seems illuminating: http://www.cs.brown.edu/pipermail/plt-scheme/2007-March/016953.html 05:30:34 -!- gweiqi [n=greg@69.120.126.163] has left #scheme 05:32:03 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@chld.ru] has quit [Connection timed out] 05:32:20 Vaeshir, ok I got something 05:32:26 OK. 05:33:13 jon pasted "jon" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/71962 05:33:32 I couldnt figure out how to make bar lexically scoped inside foo 05:33:41 but if you are writing a module then you can just not provide the bar syntax 05:34:00 Yeah, that at least gets the desired semantics. 05:34:01 langmartin [n=user@adsl-074-167-038-128.sip.cha.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 05:34:08 Awesome. Thanks, Jon! 05:34:25 By the way, is this you? 05:34:26 http://paintown.sourceforge.net/ 05:34:33 ha yea, thats me 05:35:06 oh its the first hit on google these days, lucky me 05:35:08 Nick sounded famiiliar. 05:35:11 *familiar 05:35:17 MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@chld.ru] has joined #scheme 05:35:31 bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 05:39:53 tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-3-141.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 05:40:49 rudybot: eval (begin (require scheme/stxparam) (define-syntax-parameter x (lambda (stx) (error "don't use x"))) (define-syntax bar (syntax-rules () ((_ q) (+ 1 q)))) (define-syntax (foo stx) (define (bar2 stx3) (syntax-case stx3 () ((_ q) #'(+ 1 q)))) (syntax-case stx () ((_ pat) #'(syntax-parameterize ((x (lambda (stx3) (printf "You called x with ~a!\n" stx3) (syntax-case stx3 () ((_ . q) #'(bar . q)))))) (begin (printf "You won ~a!\n" 05:40:49 pat)))))) (foo (x 2)) ) 05:40:49 offby1`: error: eval:1:403: read: expected a `)' to close `(' 05:40:51 nuts 05:42:26 rudybot: (require scheme/stxparam) 05:42:34 rudybot: eval (require scheme/stxparam) 05:42:51 rudybot: eval 2 05:42:51 jonrafkind: ; Value: 2 05:44:10 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-33-74.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:44:37 yeah, sure; feed it to him one line at a time 05:44:44 rudybot: eval (begin (define-syntax-parameter x (lambda (stx) (error "dont use x")))(define-syntax bar(syntax-rules ()((_ q) (+ 1 q))))(define-syntax (foo stx)(define (bar2 stx3)(syntax-case stx3 ()((_ q) #'(+ 1 q))))(syntax-case stx ()((_ pat) #'(syntax-parameterize ((x (lambda (stx3)(printf "You called x with ~a!\n" stx3)(syntax-case stx3 ()((_ . q) #'(bar . q))))))(begin (printf "You won ~a!\n" pat))))))(foo (x 2)) 05:44:44 jonrafkind: error: eval:1:0: read: expected a `)' to close `(' 05:44:53 rudybot: eval (begin (define-syntax-parameter x (lambda (stx) (error "dont use x")))(define-syntax bar(syntax-rules ()((_ q) (+ 1 q))))(define-syntax (foo stx)(define (bar2 stx3)(syntax-case stx3 ()((_ q) #'(+ 1 q))))(syntax-case stx ()((_ pat) #'(syntax-parameterize ((x (lambda (stx3)(printf "You called x with ~a!\n" stx3)(syntax-case stx3 ()((_ . q) #'(bar . q))))))(begin (printf "You won ~a!\n" pat))))))(foo (x 2))) 05:44:54 jonrafkind: ; stdout: "You called x with #!\nYou won 3!\n" 05:44:58 yay! 05:44:59 w00t 05:45:11 smart bot, eh? 05:45:20 grade A 05:51:24 -!- hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:52:28 Sandbox is a marvel. 05:52:35 Or whatever module you're using. 05:52:47 yep, sandbox 05:52:57 Eli keeps finding holes in it, but then, he would 05:53:21 He's a good guy to have on your team. 05:57:36 dakeyras_ [n=dakeyras@pool-98-117-134-71.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 05:58:25 -!- elf_ is now known as elf 06:00:33 -!- langmartin [n=user@adsl-074-167-038-128.sip.cha.bellsouth.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 06:01:45 N.D'd 06:01:51 ("indeed") 06:01:56 jonrafkind: The end goal is for other modules to be able to define and export syntax that's only available in the lexical scope of foo, so I think I may actually want parameterize as opposed to syntax-parameterize. 06:02:23 I dont think you want parameterize.. thats for thread stuff mostly 06:02:28 and global settings 06:02:40 at least it has nothing to do with syntax 06:04:04 do you mean that you do (require "a" "b") and "a" exports a syntax that you only want to be able to use inside b? 06:04:12 inside a syntax that "b" exports 06:04:33 otherwise you could just (require "b") and then make b (require "a") and re-export a's syntax 06:09:02 -!- Dawgmatix [n=deep@207-237-30-94.c3-0.avec-ubr11.nyr-avec.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 06:10:07 saccade_ [n=saccade@65.78.24.47] has joined #scheme 06:10:08 jonrafkind: I want module "a" to require a number of modules all of which export syntax which is only usable inside the lexical scope of some macro in "a". 06:10:25 then you can do that with my scheme 06:10:36 although syntax-parameterize might not be the "correct" way, but Im not sure what is 06:11:04 hm, I wonder if in my code bar can't be used in the template because it has a different syntax mark than x 06:12:08 You mean using the technique you pasted? 06:12:13 yea 06:13:43 *Vaeshir* nods. 06:14:56 Might be som trickiness with being able to add additional syntax-exporting modules "d" "e" and "f" and have that syntax work in "a" without modifying "a". 06:14:59 I need to think this through. 06:16:04 naw, thinking is for the weak 06:17:55 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 06:19:47 -!- ozy` [n=vt920@pool-71-184-104-97.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["absquatulating"] 06:20:24 -!- mornfall [n=mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:20:29 mornfall [n=mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has joined #scheme 06:20:49 -!- phax [n=phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:37:54 jonrafkind: In your example, why the redirection from stx3 to bar? 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10:59:55 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-62-141.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 11:00:47 the voting process for a new committe was sent to r6rs-discuss 11:01:25 -!- Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:01:34 *foof* votes for incubot 11:01:43 incubot: speech! 11:01:45 geez, folks, it might not be popular, but rendering speech illegal is, er, kind of scary 11:02:51 Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #scheme 11:03:56 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-62-141.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:04:41 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-62-141.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 11:05:03 -!- underspecified [n=eric@clair05.naist.jp] has quit [] 11:14:51 wingo-tp [n=wingo@74.Red-80-24-4.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 11:16:09 banisterfiend [n=john@203-97-217-154.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #scheme 11:20:25 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-62-141.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:20:32 underspecified [n=eric@clair05.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 11:21:29 jewel [n=jewel@41.247.195.35] has joined #scheme 11:24:35 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-62-141.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 11:28:02 -!- Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:28:42 Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #scheme 11:29:43 -!- orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFE256.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:32:02 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #scheme 11:43:55 sam___ [n=Sami__@hoasnet-fe1add00-113.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #scheme 11:47:04 Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-1-238.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 11:49:30 -!- Arelius [n=Indy@netblock-68-183-230-134.dslextreme.com] has quit [] 11:58:30 attila_lendvai [n=ati@business-89-132-61-222.business.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 12:00:16 Arelius [n=Indy@netblock-68-183-230-134.dslextreme.com] has joined #scheme 12:00:25 -!- Arelius [n=Indy@netblock-68-183-230-134.dslextreme.com] has quit [Client Quit] 12:05:01 -!- tizoc_ is now known as tizoc 12:05:28 vixey [n=vicky@amcant.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 12:07:39 -!- a-s [n=user@89.38.174.194] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:09:15 a-s [n=user@89.38.174.194] has joined #scheme 12:17:44 Arelius [n=Indy@netblock-68-183-230-134.dslextreme.com] has joined #scheme 12:17:55 -!- Arelius [n=Indy@netblock-68-183-230-134.dslextreme.com] has quit [Client Quit] 12:17:57 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@chld.ru] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:19:32 MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@chld.ru] has joined #scheme 12:20:52 -!- Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:21:03 Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #scheme 12:25:04 -!- Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:25:28 Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #scheme 12:26:35 -!- gaja [n=Gabriel@c-0689e555.017-40-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 12:28:27 -!- Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:28:42 Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #scheme 12:32:55 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-62-141.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:34:08 GreyLensman [n=ray@c-76-108-235-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 12:34:19 -!- GreyLensman [n=ray@c-76-108-235-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:39:33 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-62-141.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 12:43:38 drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 12:44:31 ttmrichter [n=ttmricht@58.49.244.134] has joined #scheme 12:46:09 -!- ineiros_ is now known as ineiros 13:02:22 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 13:05:24 wow... planet appears to be very sluggish this morning... 13:05:31 indeed 13:07:43 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-62-141.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:08:24 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-62-141.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 13:15:28 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@adsl-70-250-184-34.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [] 13:16:47 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-62-141.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:20:47 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-62-141.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 13:21:52 Am I the only one who thinks scsh's process redirection notation is just bizarre and not aesthetically pleasing by either Scheme standards or Unix standards? 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15:09:17 umis [n=umis@prudent-gloryer.volia.net] has joined #scheme 15:18:03 Probably easier to rewrite scsh. 15:18:43 Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #scheme 15:18:57 benny [n=benny@i577A1A45.versanet.de] has joined #scheme 15:21:23 -!- dsmith [i=txqq1vd3@cpe-71-74-230-225.neo.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:21:26 athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has joined #scheme 15:23:09 mfredrickson [n=mfredric@c-98-212-171-158.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:26:17 Right. I'd like to write something similar for Gauche. 15:28:43 -!- banisterfiend [n=john@203-97-217-154.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:29:39 banisterfiend [n=john@203-97-217-154.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #scheme 15:30:49 why don't you just use zsh 15:32:46 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bbl"] 15:34:15 Because it is not scheme? 15:34:55 ok 15:35:09 wait 15:35:11 you're not sure 15:36:57 Depends on the complexity of the script. 15:37:31 There's nothing you can do with zsh that you couldn't do with scheme. 15:38:43 except like 15:38:50 be a sh language 15:42:30 vasa [n=vasa@mm-1-90-84-93.dynamic.pppoe.mgts.by] has joined #scheme 15:45:03 kuribas: that's only cos both languages are turing complete 15:45:07 same applies to brainfuck 15:45:26 -!- jgracin [n=jgracin@93-138-121-154.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:49:18 -!- a-s [n=user@89.38.174.194] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:49:35 banisterfiend: no 15:50:21 -!- aneqrs [n=andreas@c83-253-104-206.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 15:50:21 tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-4-73.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 15:50:56 vixey: no yourself 15:51:24 yes 15:51:49 and the oracle said "know thyself" 15:51:58 but banisterfiend says to visey "no yourself" 15:52:03 who is wiser 15:52:16 -!- Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:52:50 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-13-129.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 15:52:52 -!- tizoc_ is now known as tizoc 15:52:52 you 15:52:59 AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable230.56-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 15:53:02 Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #scheme 15:53:04 thx, u should be my gf 15:53:10 no 15:53:46 incubot: do you nouw yourself? 15:53:48 where 'good' means "you won't want to kill yourself after using it for 20 minutes" 15:54:06 sam_ [n=Sami__@hoasnet-fe1add00-113.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #scheme 15:54:40 incubot: too right, suicide is the primary question of true philosophy. 15:54:42 I think the suicide rate in Asia is higher. 15:56:57 banisterfiend: It's not only turing-completeness which matters, also interfacing with the OS. 15:57:36 Actually the second is more important for scripting, because usually you don't do complex calculations in scripts. 15:58:32 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:02:56 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@chld.ru] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:04:40 MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@chld.ru] has joined #scheme 16:17:30 -!- Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:18:47 Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #scheme 16:23:19 orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFD122.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 16:27:12 -!- xwl [n=user@123.112.121.62] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:28:30 offby1`` [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 16:33:14 jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 16:42:11 -!- offby1` [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:43:43 lisppaste: url 16:43:54 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme and enter your paste. 16:46:49 gaja [n=Gabriel@c-0689e555.017-40-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 16:51:26 -!- jamesbeebop [n=jcb1710@wsip-98-190-202-10.rn.hr.cox.net] has left #scheme 16:52:38 cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #scheme 16:56:59 Is there a paren match hilighting mode in MIT Scheme? 16:57:38 tzimakis [n=lisa@150.140.225.243] has joined #scheme 16:58:34 -!- tzimakis [n=lisa@150.140.225.243] has left #scheme 17:00:27 In Edwin, you mean? 17:02:27 Yes. Do you use MIT Scheme in Emacs or Edwin? 17:02:58 I use Edwin. It flashes matching parentheses, but has no analogue of GNU Emacs's Show Paren Mode. 17:05:02 Hmm. I'm using Edwin (in X11) and as I move around the buffer, there's no flashing or what-have-you as I pass over closing (or opening) parens. 17:05:41 When you type a closing delimiter, it flashes the matching opening delimiter. That's all, and that's all GNU Emacs does, too, without Show Paren Mode. 17:06:25 Ah. Makes Paredit somewhat less useful. 17:06:50 Well, you can always do C-M-b C-M-f. 17:07:16 At some point I suppose I ought to update Edwin's Paredit Mode to reflect the current version of Emacs's. 17:08:46 Grr: I can use option as Meta in Emacs.app but not in Edwin under X11. 17:09:28 You'll have to use xmodmap to persuade X11 to send Meta for Option. 17:10:47 -!- cemerick [n=la_mer@75.147.38.122] has quit [] 17:10:58 I had to reboot a friend's Mac into single user mode the other day and was struck by how much latency there is in Terminal.app for keyboard input. In the console, the character seemed to appear before I typed them. Xterm is similarly quick compared to Terminal.app. And xterm is a pig. 17:11:31 Characters, even. 17:13:54 -!- sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:14:03 sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 17:16:53 eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 17:18:58 hey cool, you can alias '\ to lambda 17:19:36 I presume you mean "\ " and not "'\" -- but in any case, that won't work portably. 17:20:07 yes, backslash-space 17:20:44 it works in csi, at least 17:20:48 I wonder if it'll compile 17:21:49 I should be surprised if Chicken's compiler and interpreter treated that differently. 17:22:07 because \ is so much more readable than lambda 17:22:16 vixey: it's terse, which is all I ask for 17:22:20 -!- olgen [n=jacobm@1603ds3-by.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [] 17:22:23 arc 17:22:25 ---> 17:22:42 I heard they use CCC instead of CALL-WITH-CURRENT-CONTINUATION 17:22:44 Use pretty-greek. 17:22:57 must save hours 17:24:44 edw: can't be bothered typing ^Kl* when \ will work 17:25:04 -!- a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 17:25:09 I usually type 'lambda; and 17:25:37 D'oh... I usually type 'lambda' and it shows up as a lambda if I'm in pretty-greek mode. 17:25:42 I type LAMBDA in full every time, uphill both ways in the snow 17:26:24 ^Kl*? 17:26:26 I walk seven miles to school every morning, in half the time it took Jim Thorpe. 17:27:23 Riastradh: vim digraph input 17:27:38 ...uh, OK. 17:27:57 (where ^K is control-K, naturally) 17:28:14 I dunno if these digraphs are standard on all installs though 17:32:29 jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless302.wireless.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 17:34:51 how can I shorten '(apply append (function-that-returns-a-list-of-lists)) ? 17:35:48 `concatenate' is one character shorter than `apply append'. What's more important, though, is that the former works more reliably. 17:35:49 jop [n=jop@222.165.105.99] has joined #scheme 17:36:08 -!- jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has left #scheme 17:37:44 jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 17:37:50 -!- Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:38:07 Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #scheme 17:38:14 (function-that-doesnt-return-a-list-of-lists) 17:39:08 Riastradh: More reliably? Across more implementations? 17:39:54 Riastradh: is that due to edge cases in (apply append) that break with some args or on some implementations? 17:40:00 -!- foof [n=user@195.207.5.2] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:40:14 Try it on Chicken with a list of more than one thousand twenty-four or so lists. 17:40:17 (I think I covered all my bases there) 17:40:18 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-228-143.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 17:40:21 ah, of course 17:40:21 He said the former is more reliable, ie apply is more reliable. 17:40:26 -!- jop [n=jop@222.165.105.99] has left #scheme 17:40:27 No, edw. 17:40:29 Reread. 17:40:30 Huh? 17:40:38 Ah. 17:40:39 which ones the latter! 17:40:52 ozy`, you should paste yoru code 17:40:55 function-that-returns-a-list-of-lists 17:41:11 jop [n=jop@222.165.105.99] has joined #scheme 17:41:45 vixey: can't remember where I used (apply append) last, but I do it all the time when juggling lists 17:42:07 (not that I've ever written a serious program in scheme... haven't written much of anything lately) 17:42:34 is Chicken's apply limited to 1024 args? 17:42:43 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@chld.ru] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:43:15 leppie: well it has to be limited to something, if it's going to be compiled 17:43:18 -!- Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:44:14 ozy`: nope, i dont see the correlation 17:44:47 leppie: Gambit's limit is 8192 17:44:49 Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #scheme 17:45:21 -!- jop [n=jop@222.165.105.99] has quit [Client Quit] 17:45:38 jop [n=jop@222.165.105.99] has joined #scheme 17:47:03 i can see that there will be a issue for normal function calls, but not with apply though 17:48:02 -!- jop [n=jop@222.165.105.99] has quit [Client Quit] 17:48:50 having the limit might make things more efficient, but that's not very schemy 17:48:51 -!- Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:51:31 -!- jewel [n=jewel@41.247.195.35] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:51:47 the only problem I can see is with apply append is something like: (apply append '((1) (2) (3) (4) 5)) 17:52:12 -!- wastrel [n=wastrel@nylug/member/wastrel] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:52:37 rudybot: eval > (apply append '((1) (2) (3) (4) 5))) 17:52:37 hkBst: error: eval:1:37: read: unexpected `)' 17:52:44 rudybot: eval > (apply append '((1) (2) (3) (4) 5)) 17:52:44 hkBst: ; Value: (1 2 3 4 . 5) 17:53:33 ok let me rather call it a 'problem' 17:53:36 :) 17:57:45 -!- REPLeffect [n=REPLeffe@69.54.115.254] has quit ["bye"] 17:58:33 REPLeffect [n=REPLeffe@69.54.115.254] has joined #scheme 18:00:48 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-228-143.dsl.look.ca] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:01:02 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-228-143.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 18:11:03 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:11:22 saccade_ [n=saccade@18.188.72.216] has joined #scheme 18:23:39 tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-58-250.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 18:29:09 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@18.188.72.216] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 18:30:54 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-4-73.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 18:30:56 -!- tizoc_ is now known as tizoc 18:31:02 -!- tizoc is now known as tizoc_ 18:34:58 schmalbe [n=bernhard@p4FC17DD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:37:17 choas [n=lars@p5B0DD589.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:37:42 if it doesn't then it isn't length/2 (tautology, i know) 18:37:59 ECHAN 18:43:39 -!- vasa [n=vasa@mm-1-90-84-93.dynamic.pppoe.mgts.by] has quit ["I am not vasya, i am vasa"] 18:46:48 -!- tizoc_ is now known as tizoc 18:52:06 melito [n=melito@70.99.250.82] has joined #scheme 18:54:46 sreeram [n=sreeram@122.164.255.142] has joined #scheme 18:55:01 -!- tizoc is now known as tizoc_ 18:55:10 -!- tizoc_ is now known as tizoc 18:55:30 arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-137-203-206.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 18:58:06 -!- sreeram [n=sreeram@122.164.255.142] has quit [Client Quit] 18:58:21 sreeram [n=sreeram@122.164.255.142] has joined #scheme 19:02:17 MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@chld.ru] has joined #scheme 19:03:41 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has quit ["leaving"] 19:14:25 athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has joined #scheme 19:15:01 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 19:15:57 -!- phao [n=phao@189.13.113.125] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:18:34 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #scheme 19:20:46 certainty [n=closure@dslb-082-083-144-235.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 19:20:57 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@chld.ru] has left #scheme 19:22:34 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B0539A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:25:33 -!- szgyg [n=luni@dsl51B6AA0A.pool.t-online.hu] has left #scheme 19:49:30 -!- sam_ [n=Sami__@hoasnet-fe1add00-113.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:55:16 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 19:57:57 evening 20:05:57 aack [n=user@s559195f7.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #scheme 20:06:24 Afternoon 20:07:26 OMG rxvt is so much faster than Terminal.app. 20:07:48 urxvt is nice :) except for the stupid shift-control thing 20:07:51 Wonder how fast Terminal.app would be w/o antialiased type... 20:08:00 Huh? 20:08:01 i keep forgetting how to permanently disable that 20:08:03 urxvt's selection also loses badly. 20:08:18 Riastradh: what issues are there with that? 20:08:25 phao [n=phao@20158138032.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #scheme 20:08:38 I have to octuple-click or something to begin selecting linewise. 20:08:57 thrice works for me :) 20:09:07 Usually actually this winds up being hexadecaduple-clicking or duodecaduple-clicking because I can't figure out the number of times right away. 20:09:22 though it seems it has to be more like a triple-click 20:09:29 Or do I mean isodecaduple? I've forgotten. 20:09:58 Double-clicking and dragging selects characters. Triple-clicking and dragging selects lines. 20:09:59 isodeca is not a greek number-word afaik 20:10:02 ...er 20:10:09 Triple-clicking and dragging selects words. 20:10:18 Also, sometimes `word' means `URI' and sometimes `word' means `word'. 20:10:47 Quadruple-clicking selects a line, but subsequent dragging selects words. 20:11:05 Quintuple-clicking appears to select lines -- if I'm lucky. 20:11:27 you're on a mac? 20:11:39 Quintuple-tapping of the trackpad does not select lines, however. 20:11:54 Quintuple-tapping of the trackpad selects words. 20:12:20 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B0539A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 20:12:21 Quintuple-tapping with a grace-tap immediately afterward selects lines. 20:12:25 Yes, I'm on a Mac. 20:12:28 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B0539A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 20:12:41 hm.. very strange, double-clicking selects words, triple-clicking selects lines for me. dragging goes by character, i think, never anything else 20:12:52 Sextuple-tapping, with a quarter tap or eighth tap afterward (heaven forbid a half tap or whole tap), and then dragging, selects characters. 20:13:08 Let me clarify: I want to drag a selection of lines. 20:13:09 actually dragging selects by words 20:13:24 after double-clicking, without clicking, just dragging selects by characters 20:13:35 so you want to select every line you drag over? 20:13:38 Yes. 20:13:47 Ordinarily, in OS X, this is a matter of triple-clicking and dragging. 20:14:07 quintuple-clicking works for me 20:14:45 With the button, quintuple-clicking and dragging works to select lines -- on this machine. (Not, if I recall correctly, on my PowerBook, running NetBSD, which is over a hundred miles distant right now.) 20:15:04 hm.. urxvt probably does not support all the os x standards 20:15:29 Even if it doesn't support `standards', what it does is insensible. 20:15:45 If triple-clicking selects a line, then triple-clicking and dragging should also select lines. 20:15:48 But it doesn't. 20:17:14 write a bug report? maybe it *is* a bug? 20:17:19 And tapping six times in a row (with a special rhythm) is just silly. 20:17:59 Writing a bug report requires *effort* on my part. 20:18:01 Come now. 20:20:17 pmatos [n=pmatos@pocm06r.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 20:21:33 -!- pmatos [n=pmatos@pocm06r.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:24:01 pmatos [n=pmatos@pocm06r.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 20:25:21 -!- pmatos [n=pmatos@pocm06r.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:25:30 -!- sreeram [n=sreeram@122.164.255.142] has quit [] 20:30:48 jewel [n=jewel@41.247.195.35] has joined #scheme 20:32:13 offby1``` [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 20:33:48 -!- arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-137-203-206.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:37:13 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless302.wireless.utah.edu] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:38:45 waterh [n=waterh@114.143.38.188] has joined #scheme 20:41:33 -!- schmalbe [n=bernhard@p4FC17DD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["good night"] 20:43:29 jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless302.wireless.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 20:46:11 aack` [n=user@s559195f7.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #scheme 20:46:11 -!- aack [n=user@s559195f7.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:46:16 -!- offby1`` [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:47:04 moghar [n=user@unaffiliated/moghar] has joined #scheme 20:51:11 -!- valiza2 [n=haroldo@r190-133-131-188.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:03:30 -!- klutometis [n=klutomet@pdpc/supporter/active/klutometis] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:03:34 klutometis [i=klutomet@klutometis.wikitex.org] has joined #scheme 21:07:07 -!- jewel [n=jewel@41.247.195.35] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:10:50 valiza1 [n=haroldo@r190-133-130-104.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 21:14:01 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-69-254-76-231.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:17:24 -!- edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:22:02 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 21:25:52 -!- choas [n=lars@p5B0DD589.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 21:31:48 the font in rxvt is rather large 21:31:56 -fn fixed 21:32:38 I'm doing this exercice here, http://rafb.net/p/rhuj1f29.html, and I've get to an answer, which is 1/3, but I didn't quite know how to make a software from it, and I don't know if that answer is right. 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