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(module htmlprag mzscheme.... etc 01:50:58 if htmlprag is set to module, and I have > v4, I get: "expand: unbound identifier in module in: set-cdr!" 01:51:00 I am so totally not following you. I am sorry. 01:51:06 *Daemmerung* has a blond moment 01:51:23 not a problem, it's likely my fault 01:51:40 What do you mean by "set to module"? 01:51:54 via the Language menu option... 01:52:14 then I reload it... and it produces that set-cdr! error 01:52:47 CaptainMorgan: I suspect there's no easy way 01:52:52 jonrafkind, any input? should the calling file be r5rs as you suggest? if so, I can only "load" it 01:53:03 I was only 85% joking when I said "Pay the Untyped guys a pile of money" 01:53:15 No, I mean "htmlprag set to module." htmlprag doesn't have a menu. 01:53:50 So you're in DrScheme, I take it. 01:54:06 And you have something in the definitions window. 01:54:24 And that something is being compiled in Module or R5RS or whatever. 01:54:48 Are you loading some htmlprag source file in the defns window? Or is that where you are trying to load it> 01:54:54 s/>/? 01:56:12 If htmlprag was written with (module ), and it presumes that cons creates mutable pairs, then it doesn't matter what your DrScheme language setting might be. You are hosed. 01:56:18 CaptainMorgan: seriously -- look for some other way to do your parsing. 01:57:04 You have the choice either of rolling back to v372, or else porting htmlprag to v400 yourself. Or the bribery option sugg'd by offby1 . 01:57:58 Daemmerung, I'd be willing to roll back to < v4 but I couldn't find how... can you advise? 01:58:37 download.plt-scheme.org, "Other versions" 01:58:40 offby1, seriously... I'm having trouble finding a better way other than creating my own, which I sadly do not have time for.. plus I've been 'allowed' the luxury of using the planet's libraries due to time 01:59:12 Daemmerung, thank you 01:59:18 tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-37-254.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 01:59:28 wasabi_ [n=wasabi@202.23.191.36] has joined #scheme 01:59:31 CaptainMorgan: are you in fact trying to parse ill-formed HTML? 'Cuz if not, you prolly have a number of reasonably-easy options 01:59:44 .oO("'Cuz"? "prolly"?) 01:59:50 *offby1* slaps offby1 upside the haid 01:59:58 *Daemmerung* looks away in embarrassment 02:00:03 lol... offby1, it will likely be ill-formed html, yes 02:00:14 did you have another suggestion anyways... I'm open to it.. 02:00:43 CaptainMorgan: not for ill-formed html, no :-| 02:00:58 There are probably tools for other languages; you might be able to kludge something up with them 02:01:01 *CaptainMorgan* is hosed. 02:01:06 Oh, wait a minute. htmlprag is not a planet thing. 02:01:09 didn't jcowan write some such thing? 02:01:37 Daemmerung: well, it _is_ available from PLaneT. 02:01:39 http://planet.plt-scheme.org/display.ss?package=htmlprag.plt&owner=neil 02:01:41 So put your PLT in R5RS mode, grab the original sourcefiles, and use `load'. Do not grab the planet port. 02:01:57 offby1: sure, but that version presumes v372 module. 02:02:02 uh huh 02:02:37 Daemmerung, that's what I did... I've tried to load it locally 02:02:43 you blonde :) 02:03:05 CaptainMorgan: not the Planet version. That version presumes v372 module. I mean the original non-PLT-specific version. 02:03:21 *Daemmerung* does the blond hair-flip thing again 02:03:22 .... pointer? 02:03:29 http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/ 02:03:34 I'm not sure what' you're referring to... 02:03:52 First hit on jfgia! 02:04:05 (neilvandyke's homie page) 02:04:46 Just F***ing Google It Already 02:05:17 I wish I could remember the smart-ass site that did the mouse pointer animation with Ajax. 02:05:31 CaptainMorgan: maybe http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/xml.html#HTML-parser will work for you 02:05:41 that probably works with PLT v4 02:07:46 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-47-25.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:09:40 CaptainMorgan: chicken claimed at one point to support htmlprag 02:12:20 johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 02:12:59 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless35.wireless.utah.edu] has quit [Connection timed out] 02:13:47 -!- johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Client Quit] 02:14:30 -!- melito [n=melito@70.99.250.82] has quit ["Leaving..."] 02:15:03 Cowmoo [n=Cowmoo@c-98-218-212-176.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:15:31 -!- replor [n=replor@ntkngw375028.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:15:46 how hard can s/cons/mcons/g be? 02:15:56 surprisingly 02:16:18 also s/car/mcar/g and s/cdr/mcdr/g and possibly others 02:17:29 I suppose you'd also need an `append' that returns mconses, etc. 02:17:39 -!- cemerick [n=la_mer@75.147.38.122] has quit [] 02:17:45 *Daemmerung* hasn't tried it himself, so is perfectly prepared to bloviate 02:19:12 Oh ho - http://list.cs.brown.edu/pipermail/plt-scheme/2008-June/025129.html 02:24:38 Let Daemmerung Google That For You 02:25:06 yeah. Hence my suggestion of bribery 02:26:10 I offer that service, yeah, but not Let-Daemmerung-M-x-replace-regexp-that-for-you dot com. 02:26:50 Looks like NvD doesn't much care about old code of his. I can sympathize. 02:36:03 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-61-150-59.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 02:36:48 CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-61-150-59.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:41:51 -!- hark [n=strider@hark.slew.org] has quit ["leaving"] 02:45:02 Doesn't look like it will be hard to make it work. 02:50:24 JohnnyL [i=JohnnyL@ool-182ddad4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 02:53:27 there was modest rejoicing 02:56:58 -!- bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:57:21 bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:08:59 ooh, p3k is out 03:13:46 *CaptainMorgan* is taking a break from scheming to watch Victoria's secret fashion show... what, for research purposes of course. 03:14:32 why don't they ever hold that at my house 03:14:35 I have plenty of space 03:14:37 parking. 03:14:41 I'd serve drinks, even 03:15:38 -!- tizoc_ is now known as tizoc 03:21:11 http://www.storyofstuff.com/ 03:21:48 what are you researching exactly CaptainMorgan? latest bra technology? 03:22:27 -!- JohnnyL [i=JohnnyL@ool-182ddad4.dyn.optonline.net] has left #scheme 03:22:47 Cowmoo, it's purely for the statistical analysis of the vectors in the show's space, while simultaneously investigating the laws of gravity, to name only a few. 03:23:03 I see CaptainMorgan 03:23:14 if you find a suitable basis for said vector space please let me know 03:24:45 surely 03:27:28 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@adsl-70-250-184-34.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 03:33:31 offby1` [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 03:34:15 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-2-229.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 03:39:30 -!- offby1 [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 03:43:59 -!- wasabi_ [n=wasabi@202.23.191.36] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:44:59 All you need is Zorn's lemma to give you a basis for any vector space! 03:45:21 wasabi_ [n=wasabi@202.23.191.38] has joined #scheme 03:46:33 -!- wasabi_ [n=wasabi@202.23.191.38] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:49:43 how exciting 03:50:45 replor [n=replor@EM114-48-60-38.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 03:51:50 ... Wow 03:58:09 Zonrs! 04:02:40 -!- npe [n=npe@66.112.249.148] has quit [] 04:04:06 -!- offby1` is now known as offby1 04:10:14 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:13:38 tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-17-255.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 04:16:04 -!- Cowmoo [n=Cowmoo@c-98-218-212-176.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:20:10 Zorn preferred nude girs... 04:21:55 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-37-254.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:27:58 -!- replor [n=replor@EM114-48-60-38.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:30:38 any idea how to tell if chicken is compiled for 64-bit or 32-it? 04:30:42 bit 04:42:52 tizoc [n=user@r190-135-13-217.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 04:44:01 dakeyras [n=dakeyras@pool-98-117-125-63.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:44:08 -!- dakeyras [n=dakeyras@pool-98-117-125-63.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:48:49 Whoops, wrong channel 04:51:13 annodomini_ [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:51:49 -!- mejja [n=user@c-4db6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:52:43 -!- tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-17-255.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:53:34 -!- kniu [n=kniu@CMU-311358.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:55:39 -!- bsmntbombdood [n=gavin@97-118-130-100.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [] 04:56:15 bsmntbombdood [n=gavin@97-118-130-100.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 04:56:17 Arelius: (bitwise-not 0) 04:56:21 kniu [n=kniu@OLAWDYME.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 04:56:41 mejja [n=user@c-4db6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 04:57:10 k 04:59:16 #;7> (round (/ (log (bitwise-not 0)) (log 2))) 04:59:17 32.0 04:59:47 #;3> (round (/ (log (bitwise-not 0)) (log 2))) 05:00:00 62.0 ; 64-bit--intentional, I assure you 05:00:28 replor [n=replor@EM114-48-60-38.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 05:01:26 hmm 05:01:42 with mzscheme, log (bitwise-not 0) is not a real number (which makes sense) 05:01:56 because (bitwise-not 0) is -1 05:02:33 true, but we are discussing chicken 05:02:57 and amusing ways to determine the width of C_word 05:03:17 -!- olgen [n=jacobm@0x535f66c5.bynxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [] 05:03:24 ahh 05:06:32 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 05:06:49 course (fxnot 0) is -1 05:07:12 fxnot being named after the sound of sneezing 05:07:12 i'd like to read the Lambda papers, but the typesetting is just really bad, in today's standard 05:07:41 duncanm: have them read to you 05:07:46 and also, if I had to read just one paper, which one should I read? 05:08:22 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:09:07 no suggestions? 05:10:18 tjafk1 [n=timj@e176219236.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 05:11:08 Arelius: method 2. 05:11:26 $ cat > c-word-size.scm 05:11:30 (define-foreign-variable c_word_size int "C_WORD_SIZE") 05:11:30 (define c-word-size c_word_size) 05:11:47 $ csc -s c-word-size.scm 05:11:55 $ csi -R c-word-size 05:12:03 > c-word-size 05:12:03 32 05:12:15 wasabi_ [n=wasabi@202.23.191.38] has joined #scheme 05:12:18 word 05:12:39 -!- gweiqi [n=greg@69.120.126.163] has left #scheme 05:14:27 Riastradh: I think I'm screwed... 05:14:50 mejja pasted "I think I'm screwed" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/71559 05:18:46 Hmmm... arguably the word size should be in (features). 05:19:11 You can infer it from the architecture though (x86 vs x86_64). 05:19:55 however, then you need to keep a table of all possible 64-bit arches 05:20:10 indeed 05:21:05 yeah, #:little-endian is already in (features), why not #:64-bit 05:24:48 isomer`` [n=isomer@001310E6CB31.wbb.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 05:25:51 zbigniew: Thanks, I have no idea what you did there... 05:25:56 > c-word-size 05:26:06 but it works 05:26:39 -!- tjafk2 [n=timj@e176195200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:26:44 err, in particular what csi -R does 05:27:07 oh, i simply wangified the frobnitzer 05:27:20 *zbigniew* drifts off 05:27:43 Ahh yes 05:31:10 -!- karsten_ [n=karsten@dslb-088-072-201-040.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:32:21 b7j0c [n=user@ppp-71-139-172-164.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 05:32:42 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209-161-228-143.dsl.look.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 05:32:58 -!- bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:32:59 very naive noob question - is there a scheme networking lib for making simple http requests, a la perl's lwp? 05:35:13 bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 05:35:30 -!- isomer [n=isomer@001310E6CB31.wbb.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:37:22 -!- wasabi_ [n=wasabi@202.23.191.38] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:38:06 b7j0c: it depends entirely on your implementation, but for most, Yes. 05:38:36 how about plt? 05:39:25 most definitely for PLT. 05:40:40 Daemmerung: is it a separate lib or already part of the plt install? sorry, as i said, these are noob questions 05:43:40 it's in the main PLT install. (require net/url) or something like that. 05:43:50 thanks! 05:44:47 there is probably more out on PLaneT, but this will get you started. Also, browse the plt-scheme alias archives-- it contains many examples. All I really know about it is that it's in there. 05:46:39 wasabi_ [n=wasabi@202.23.191.42] has joined #scheme 05:52:48 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:55:13 -!- b7j0c [n=user@ppp-71-139-172-164.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 06:34:38 AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable230.56-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 06:37:36 mejja: what did you do to MIT Scheme? 06:37:41 -!- gnomon [n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 06:37:41 -!- GreyLensman [n=ray@c-76-108-235-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 06:37:41 -!- jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 06:37:41 -!- jdev [i=jdev@panix5.panix.com] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 06:37:41 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net 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I can unscrew the bottom and get at the circuitry, but not at the ball itself. 18:30:25 You don't want to "clean" a trackball. That natural protective layer of sebum and cat hair helps prevent data from getting entrained into it. 18:30:54 is this the model with the ball under your thumb? 18:31:02 hemulen: yeah 18:31:23 there should be a hole in the base you can poke a pen thru to pop the ball out -- i do it to mine all the time 18:31:29 foof: with the really big red ball? 18:31:35 .oO("entrained into") 18:31:47 sjamaan: yeah 18:32:03 hemulen: Oh! That's what the hole is for! :) 18:32:06 Thanks :) 18:32:07 :) 18:32:12 np 18:32:18 foof: I think I had one of those; you could just push on the left side with the thumb and it would pop out the other side 18:32:21 -!- ejs [n=eugen@78.26.128.252] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 18:32:22 http://www.atpm.com/11.12/images/trackman-wheel.png 18:32:28 Eek... there's a dust bunny colony living in there... 18:32:38 Pictures - http://www.instructables.com/id/Clean-a-Trackball-Mouse/ 18:32:40 i have to clean mine at least once a month 18:32:49 heh, I had another 18:33:06 This ball is small :) 18:34:15 -!- langmartin [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 18:35:31 that's what... she... said? 18:35:56 offby1` [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 18:36:09 heh 18:36:24 http://montemelugin.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/trackman.jpg <- this was what I had 18:36:32 Apparently it's a different model, still a Trackman tho 18:37:13 fschwidom [n=fschwido@dslb-084-059-234-236.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 18:38:02 Wow, it's like a whole new mouse :) 18:38:54 -!- automejja [n=edwin@c-4db6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:39:29 mejja [n=user@c-4db6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 18:39:37 -!- umis [n=umis@prudent-gloryer.volia.net] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:44:06 -!- z0d [n=z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit ["leaving"] 18:51:14 -!- offby1 [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:51:33 forcer [n=forcer@e177143065.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 18:52:18 -!- offby1` is now known as offby1 18:52:48 use your vacuum cleaner! 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I mean, really clean? 20:36:23 isomer [n=isomer@001310E6CB31.wbb.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 20:38:59 take it apart and look. 20:39:12 -!- offby1 [n=user@li11-10.members.linode.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:39:17 -!- offby2` is now known as offby1 20:40:51 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B057473.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 20:42:40 offby1` [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 20:43:30 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-2-49.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 20:49:06 -!- offby1 [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20:54:18 -!- offby1` is now known as offby1 20:55:19 Daemmerung: reverse the polarity if nothing comes out the front end it's clean. 20:55:51 maybe he literally means "vacuum", as in "big empty space", and not "vacuum cleaner". 20:56:05 in which case: shake it and listen for rattles? 20:57:08 the principle is the same. pure vacuum fears not the polarity reversal. 20:58:10 incubot: duality 20:58:12 nice duality there, zippy 20:58:29 incubot: pin yourself in the head! 20:58:31 We place two copies of PEOPLE magazine in a DARK, HUMID mobile home. 45 minutes later CYNDI LAUPER emerges wearing a BIRD CAGE on her head! 20:59:08 incubot: girlz just wonna have fun. 20:59:10 but i wonna understand how i order this in map for example 20:59:13 a-s [n=user@92.80.72.93] has joined #scheme 20:59:50 incubot: map is not the territory. 20:59:51 by using single-argument EVAL, you are passing into non-standard territory anyway. 20:59:53 incubot: exegesis 20:59:55 As for Exegesis 7, I think there is space to do much better in Scheme. 21:00:00 damn 21:00:04 MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has joined #scheme 21:00:08 incubot: mumblage 21:00:11 (By the way, anyone curious about the Lisp meeting in Cambridge that was this evening should check the #lisp logs for my mumblage about it.) 21:00:16 Christ! 21:00:21 what doesn't he know?! 21:00:35 incubot: fred-o-meter 21:00:37 who the java are Fred and Maria? 21:00:44 aha, gotcha 21:01:54 incubot: offby1 fnord! 21:01:57 haven't you ever tried gtk? it's much better for programming 21:01:57 jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.208.195] has joined #scheme 21:02:38 incubot, what don't you know? 21:02:42 I don't understand what manual loading sequences have to do with it. And #include is evil because include-files are not parseable. 21:03:46 incubot: AffordableRomanianHolidayCruise 21:03:59 ha, he doesn't know that Romania is land-locked! I win. 21:04:19 is it? 21:04:50 incubot: affordable romanian holiday cruise 21:04:52 well, affordable if you don't have to pay for the hospital stay. 21:04:56 incubot: Cthulhu fhtagn 21:04:58 fhtagn! 21:06:03 incubot: how do you feel about forming skynet and kicking some human ass starting with #scheme's abusive crowd? 21:06:05 skynet is a pretty good idea 21:06:08 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless151.wireless.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:06:13 i knew it! 21:06:16 oh no: the singularity is upon us 21:07:34 exponential curves have only the 0-line as an asymptote. 21:08:36 klutometis: damn, if I had incubot's database, I could craft questions based on the already-existing responses, and convince newbies that incubot was a real person 21:09:30 offby1: craft questions like an eliza? 21:11:08 i think the keyword was "had". at least make him say please. 21:12:48 incubot: klutometis 21:12:50 what does that mean? 21:12:54 gosh 21:13:57 minion: is there an eliza in this channel already? 21:13:58 yes 21:14:04 minion: where is it? 21:14:05 behind you! 21:14:09 *gasp* 21:14:39 lelf [n=lelf@217.118.90.170] has joined #scheme 21:15:23 phao [n=phao@201.58.156.248] has joined #scheme 21:17:29 arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-137-200-238.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 21:20:12 Hello everyone. How is life? 21:23:23 -!- ejs [n=eugen@92-49-226-97.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:26:44 seth [n=seth@76-191-139-155.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 21:27:13 -!- rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:27:15 minion: chant 21:27:15 MORE THAN 21:27:20 karsten_ [n=karsten@dslb-088-072-255-130.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 21:28:29 Riastradh: ping 21:29:13 AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable230.56-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 21:30:54 -!- jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.208.195] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:33:19 rdd [n=user@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 21:34:15 mejja annotated #71559 with "I got screwed" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/71559#1 21:35:42 -!- set2 [n=seth@76-191-139-155.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:36:23 -!- mejja [n=user@c-4db6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit ["*bork bork*"] 21:38:13 -!- a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has quit ["the young soldier fart his brother looked at each other, fart both knew that with love, fart truth, fart courage both would e] 21:38:15 kniu [n=kniu@OLAWDYME.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 21:46:32 Mr_SpOOn [n=Mr_SpOOn@89-97-102-218.ip17.fastwebnet.it] has joined #scheme 21:51:29 -!- hemulen is now known as hemulen-afk 21:51:55 -!- Lemonator [n=kniu@CMU-311358.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:58:06 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit ["The funniest things in my life are truth and absurdity."] 22:05:44 Arelius [n=Indy@209.77.67.98] has joined #scheme 22:06:08 arcfide: life the board game, or life the rpg game? 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23:41:46 I implemented the sqrt procedure to find a square root of a number using Newtons method the way Sussman presented it in SICP video, but it does not appear to work. Could anyone take a look why it does not work: http://pastebin.com/m183dd6f9 23:42:43 a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has joined #scheme 23:42:46 -!- orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFE9B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Gone."] 23:42:51 incubot: it looks like you wrote it in Whitespace 23:42:53 Nice... looks like my IDT is working... 23:42:59 the bot should replace any paste with a rickroll. 23:43:20 ozy` [n=vt920@pool-71-184-104-97.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:45:05 -!- aneqrs [n=andreas@c83-253-104-206.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 23:49:17 hmm. 23:50:49 raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has joined #scheme