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You can't really go wrong with either of them. 03:15:36 hml: Gambit's superior numerics win for opengl. Chicken has better call/cc performance and easy-ffi. 03:16:44 Both natively support define-macro. Chicken has the promise of native define-syntax RSN, while that doesn't seem to be a priority for Gambit (which bundles a psyntax port). 03:16:58 Daemmerung, I'm not sure sure about the "Chicken has better call/cc" claim... 03:17:15 s/sure sure/so sure/ 03:17:27 yome: I'll let you and foof fight that one out. Personally I prefer Gambit because it was written by adults. 03:17:31 *Daemmerung* snarks 03:17:39 -!- geckosenator [n=sean@c-24-8-193-190.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:17:47 err? chicken was written by a child prodigy? 03:18:20 Daemmerung, ... what do you mean by "adults"? 03:18:47 Or rather, what do you imply about Chicken by that statement? 03:18:47 yome: I ran a number of benchmarks, and Chicken consistenly had faster call/cc. 03:19:00 foof: a factor of how much? 03:19:02 foof, oh, yeah, I remember some thread a little while back. 03:19:10 hml, pro tip: you don't care. 03:19:14 less than 10x probably won't matter for my uses 03:19:36 hml: 1-5x maybe? I forget exactly. I think usually 1.5x. 03:20:00 this is probably a more subjective question 03:20:04 which implemntation is easier to hack on? 03:20:21 Which is especially impressive since overall Gambit is usually faster than Chicken. 03:20:40 hml, for me I'd say Gambit, but it's just because I'm so used to it. 03:20:41 hml: define "hack" 03:20:49 modify the implementation 03:20:51 hml, flip a coin, and choose whichever comes out. Seriously. 03:21:01 hml, in that sense, then not Gambit. 03:21:06 hml: Yeah, just choose one and study the source code heavily 03:21:13 Gambit's code is sort of scary. 03:21:24 s/sort of/super 03:21:39 foof, Gambit's source code is scary... And you probably know where I'm coming from. 03:21:54 Gambit's source is harder to read, and the output the compiler generates is also harder to understand. 03:22:12 okay;i'm also familiar with chicken 03:22:16 looks like it's decided; thanks 03:22:20 "It was hard to write, it should be hard to read" 03:22:22 On the plus, Gambit provides a good step debugger so it's less important to be able to read the output. 03:22:40 (real quote, but meant as a joke acknowledging the fact) 03:22:42 *offby1* throws a spare pair of dentures at mbishop 03:23:05 The Gambit debugger is nice, and promises soon to be more nicer. 03:23:26 "more nicer-er" 03:24:21 But for optimizing it's nice that Chicken makes it easy to see exactly what C code a given procedure produces, and to manually tweak the Scheme code to make that C code faster. 03:24:35 ... once you grok the internals a little bit. 03:24:40 ...just like a Real C Programmer would. 03:25:47 -!- offby1 [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:26:16 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-9-80.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:26:47 offby1 [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 03:30:05 tizoc [n=user@r190-135-15-40.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 03:30:17 *foof* is still waiting for the "most necest-est" debugger 03:30:31 smalltalk's debugger is amazing 03:33:32 smalltalk's debugger is smalltalk 03:33:44 that's right 03:36:59 squeak has every nice quality a language could have, except for: 1) macros; 2) even the tiniest bit of Emacs integration :-| 03:37:22 and 3) looking not like a child's toy 03:37:47 offby1: i'm a heavy user of emacs, but i didn't miss emacs at all when i used squeak to do a school project a few years ago 03:37:59 offby1: the "work style" is very different 03:38:02 Boy howdy do I loathe Squeak. It's like coding with one's elbows. 03:38:10 and the smalltalk tools are very powerful 03:38:14 does squeak have opengl support? 03:38:20 Daemmerung: you need someone to show you how to use it 03:38:20 i guess no chance for nice c bindings either? 03:38:27 hml: yeah, i think so, look at Croquet 03:38:30 -!- underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052011.bbtec.net] has quit [] 03:38:35 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:38:40 duncanm: I tried for several months. Squeak causes me physical pain. 03:38:57 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:39:00 Daemmerung: using a mouse instead of trackpads/trackpoints help 03:39:06 If I wanted that, I'd code in VB. 03:39:19 I mean, I'd "code" in VB. Sorry. 03:39:35 i dunno, i wonder if the same can be said about acme, it's supposed to be a mouse-heavy editor too 03:39:36 hml, you trying to get bullet physics to work in scheme? 03:39:43 Arelius: yes 03:40:27 Well I use chicken, and I couldn't really get Bullet to work with the FFI 03:40:50 is this some hw assignment? do you guys go to the same school or something? 03:40:52 Bullet uses some pretty strong C++ features 03:41:09 duncanm, if that was homework, it would be pretty cool homework. 03:41:17 duncanm: Nah, Bullet is debatabally the best real-time 2D physics library 03:41:22 i'm more thatn willinig to write a c wrapper if need be, but would prefer something simpler 03:41:29 Arelius, how about box2d? 03:41:36 err, bullet is 3D 03:41:41 yeah, err sorry 03:41:44 bullet is 3D 03:41:48 box2d is 2D 03:42:13 Bullet is one of the better 3D physics libraries, and open-source 03:42:20 which other ones are good? 03:42:39 It's very stable, only really rivaled by PhysX and Havok both of which are closed source 03:42:51 Mr_Awesome [n=eric@isr5956.urh.uiuc.edu] has joined #scheme 03:43:13 Tokomak and ODE which are open-source are not very stable or quick 03:43:38 i'm not a fan of ODE 03:43:47 exactally 03:43:57 bloated slow and lacks stability 03:44:26 a bit convoluted so they can use even less stable integrators and the like 03:45:02 hmm; i'm tring to figure out how to store 120GB worth of siggraph archives on a 90GB partition 03:45:07 duncanm: to be sure, I never used a true mouse. But it wasn't just its ratliness... rather, it was Squeak's complete inadherence to any system Ui standard. Squeak is its own standard, which is lovely as long as you aren't using anything else at the same time. I already switch freely between Emacs and CUA; I don't need a third dialect. Wasn't worth the hassle in the end. 03:45:07 I think the right solution is to buy a new HD 03:45:17 I think so too 03:45:32 Daemmerung: i respect that 03:46:14 hml: Additionally I too would be very interested in Bullet bindings in scheme, I'd be interested in collaborating on such. 03:46:21 offby1: ping 03:46:24 plop 03:46:27 hey eli 03:46:30 wow, 500GB for $99.99 03:46:32 I think I should get two. 03:46:33 fizz 03:46:36 That was fast... 03:46:39 relief 03:46:42 is 03:46:50 duncanm: did you manage the tethering thing? 03:47:03 eli: didn't look into it 03:47:11 offby1: Anyway, do you remember the deal about the output string being created under the sandbox limits? 03:47:17 Daemmerung: I'm now convinced not just that we were born the same year, month, and day; but we grew up in the same TV broadcast region 03:47:25 eli: yep 03:47:37 offby1: it is kind of scary, yah. 03:47:53 Arelius: great, i'll keep you updated if I come up with any nifty lazy solution 03:48:00 hey -- my Mom always said there was a brother whom she put up for adoption ... 03:48:35 scheme48 and ikarus dont have gui, do they? 03:48:37 offby1: is there an example where this is happenning? -- Because now that I look at the code, it explicitly switches to the original custodian to create the output. 03:49:02 I don't know off the top of my head. I seem to recall it was easy to provoke ... lemme poke around 03:49:03 how's ikarus coming along? i've always been curidousa about that implementation 03:49:20 I always wondered why I didn't look like the other bastards in my fambly. Figured that the iceman must have changed his route in my year. 03:49:23 hml: Cool, Though I'm not sure a lazy solution would be very usable. 03:49:55 Arelius: oh, I was just goigin to get it working, then have minions make it nice 03:50:06 Good plan 03:50:16 offby1: looking at rudybot's code, I don't see anything that mentiones it... 03:50:24 yep, I wish i was a prof; then I can use the grad student programming langauge 03:50:54 Though I prefer the method of making it nice, then getting minions to get it working =P 03:51:41 Arelius, how about box2d? 03:51:48 (oops sorry) 03:51:56 loop.ss line 191 or thereaboutes 03:52:00 thereabouts 03:52:20 yome: It has similar problems getting it to work. and is 2D (which can be good or bad) 03:52:31 -!- augustbankr [n=augustba@68-116-166-32.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:52:39 offby1: bah. I don't have that file. How do I get an updated copy? 03:55:06 y'all down with Git? 03:55:16 No... 03:55:23 ah 03:55:33 IIRC, I used some web interface that got me a tgz 03:55:40 rudybot: source 03:55:41 eli: http://github.com/offby1/rudybot 03:55:47 http://github.com/offby1/rudybot/tarball/master 03:55:59 my URL is a nice tarball 03:56:19 augustbankr [n=augustba@68-116-166-32.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #scheme 03:57:08 There's some "download" button on the other page, with some JS-ish popup that asks for the format in a candyful way -- just to let me know that the url doesn't exist... 03:57:41 crap, those all need JS 03:57:44 yeah, just noticed 03:57:49 lemme see if I can find a plain old URL 03:58:18 Nah, that other one worked. 03:58:39 -!- hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has quit ["leaving"] 03:58:58 Anyway, that place (loop.ss:191) seems to confirm what I said -- it's returning the string without allocating it under the limits. 03:59:14 You therefore need to intentionally wrap that in a `call-with-limits'. 03:59:15 hmm 04:00:48 looks like it's allocating it to me. 04:00:56 I wonder if we're looking at different versions. 04:01:40 The snip that I'm talking about is at http://tmp.barzilay.org/x 04:01:44 line 193 of this looks right to me http://rudybot.ath.cx:1234/?p=.git;a=blob;f=loop.ss;h=a8597da2056b4f166c8144080afc25eaa31d6cdd;hb=ab7105311f5b2c37c2e11fcd3c00bdf9b837e735 04:01:46 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/58vw5m 04:01:57 JohnnyL [n=atomicto@ool-182ddad4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 04:01:58 ok, we're looking at the same thing 04:02:02 so what's wrong with that snip? 04:02:22 -!- Mr_Awesome [n=eric@isr5956.urh.uiuc.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:02:40 Nothing -- it confirms what I said -- the sandbox does not use the restrictions when you retreive an output, so you need to write that code to limit it yourself. 04:02:54 -!- augustbankr [n=augustba@68-116-166-32.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:03:13 oh, you're saying there's something wrong with the PLT code? 04:03:52 but the code I'm limiting is essentially calling "format" on it, which is not the sandboxe's responsibility. 04:03:58 No, just figuring out what's going on. For some reason I thought that *I* made the sandbox library use the limit for the retreived string too, and I thought that I did it because of you. 04:04:06 oh 04:04:22 my code seems reasonable, and the way PLT itself is acting seems reasonable too 04:04:38 Well, yeah, you'll need it anyway, if you want to protect the `format' thing. 04:04:51 Mr_Awesome [n=eric@c-98-212-143-245.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:05:02 ayup 04:05:04 Still, I wonder if it shouldn't do the retreival under the limits too... It sounds like it could be surprising. 04:05:22 well, isn't it the _rendering to a string_ that risks being expensive? 04:05:35 And if so, isn't that utterly _not_ the sandbox's responsibility? 04:06:12 Yes, that's why you'll still need that code regardless of the change I'm considering. 04:06:25 Perhaps it's fine to just stick to a warning in the docs. 04:06:29 ok, just makin' sure we're all on the same page. 04:06:35 Yeah, that'd be useful. 04:06:50 We are, AFAICT. 04:07:00 I am pretty sure I didn't have that second call-with-limits originally; saw some weirdness; came crying to you; and changed it only at your suggesting :) 04:07:02 Perhaps I need a southpark episode to think it over. 04:07:08 that, or a beer 04:07:13 three pipes 04:07:16 a cat on your lap. 04:08:08 The cat is really trying to get there. They suffer from neglect these days, being that they're no longer the cutest things in the house. 04:08:32 ah, maybe that's what's up with my neighbor's cats, who spend hours here whenever they can 04:09:31 Maybe if they come over during the day -- at night they seem to appreciate the lack of that new entity that seems to make them second-class. 04:10:06 why -- do you ship Jr off to the coal mines at night, to earn his keep? 04:10:12 surely you're not saying he SLEEPS at night. 04:10:18 That's unorthodox 04:10:42 eli, have you fork()ed? 04:11:29 didn't you know? 04:11:35 fork()ed and exec()ed 04:11:50 offby1: Well, he does... "new" is not too true anymore -- it's almost two years since the fork. 04:12:06 hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has joined #scheme 04:12:14 wow 04:12:23 probably talks 'n' everything 04:12:30 Hebrew, or just English? 04:12:50 *eli* thinks that "we fork()ed" is more technically correct, but less politically correct 04:13:28 Yes, talks like crazy, it's pretty amusing to watch how things come together to him. 04:13:40 -!- JohnnyL [n=atomicto@ool-182ddad4.dyn.optonline.net] has left #scheme 04:14:21 -!- cknapp [n=chatzill@c-67-167-214-128.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has left #scheme 04:15:16 Hebrew and English and Hebrish, BTW. 04:15:28 *eli* is into the SP episode now. 04:21:13 Daemmerung: according to LinkedIn, you know -- at one remove -- about half of the company I work for 04:23:44 johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 04:23:58 -!- hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:27:41 perv [n=yakov@79.136.60.147] has joined #scheme 04:31:40 (not (eq? Hebrish Yiddish)) ? 04:32:18 #t, of course. 04:32:55 yeah, I mean. 04:34:10 -!- jjong [n=jjong@203.246.179.177] has left #scheme 04:34:53 underspecified [n=eric@clair16.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 04:37:03 saccade_ [n=saccade@209.6.23.56] has joined #scheme 04:41:51 offby1: ah, Miksovsky's at Cozi, I see. That's a name I haven't heard... in a long, long time. 04:44:12 aaah 04:44:42 surprising number of scheme/lisp fans there. 04:45:01 Well, at least one, besides me (and there'd been another but he ran off to study at NEU) 04:45:46 >1 is indeed surprising. 04:46:23 I'm intrigued by the missing connections -- the ones that I see as "Ben's Connections" 04:46:58 I must say, your LinkedIn profile is the most amusing I've read. 04:48:03 My only problem with lisp is the namespaces. Otherwise I'm too ignorant to really make a judgement call. I like scheme though. 04:48:59 and different Lisps treat namespaces differently. 04:49:03 Some don't have 'em at all 04:49:23 offby1: one of the following -- Canniff, Wood, LaChapelle, Slivka. 04:49:43 If you know one of those names, a winnar is you. 04:50:14 zip, zip, nada, & bupkis 04:50:54 Didn't Canniff draw "Steve Canyon"? 04:51:50 A one-n Caniff is a priest; a two-n Canniff is a beast; .... 04:55:32 offby1: good point. CL sorry. 04:55:50 I don't really know what the difference is with lisp in general, with scheme. 04:57:58 I will bet Barack Obama .. there isn't any three-n Canniff 04:58:11 OK, twins separated at birth. No other explanation. 04:58:31 synx: buncha minor differences mostl 04:58:33 mostly 04:58:48 Common Lisp has separate namespaces for functions and variables 04:58:56 whereas in scheme they're in the same namespaces 04:58:59 other stuff 04:59:12 Yes, but what about lisp in general? Not just Common Lisp. 05:00:22 well, there really is no "lisp in general" 05:00:30 there are a lot of languages that can be called "lisps" 05:00:34 and the term isn't precisely defined 05:00:45 some would say that Dylan is a lisp. 05:00:55 Paul Graham half-jokingly suggested that Python is a lisp. 05:00:56 I see. 05:02:00 see http://www.paulgraham.com/icad.html, about halfway down: "If you define a language that has car, cdr, cons, quote, cond, atom, eq, and a notation for functions expressed as lists, then you can build all the rest of Lisp out of it." 05:04:27 a definition like that would make things like Clojure not lisps because 'cons' is only used for forming lists, not arbitrary structures (e.g. (cons 1 2) is an error) 05:07:35 offby1: dylan originally had an s-expression syntax, you know 05:09:30 offby1` [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 05:09:30 johnnowak: ? 05:11:05 -!- Mr_Awesome [n=eric@c-98-212-143-245.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:11:16 Daemmerung: I'm not sure what I was going for there really. 05:11:52 Been there, done that. 05:12:19 a week away from freenode and that's the first thing i utter when i return 05:12:22 shameful, really 05:12:36 Next time, try this -- 05:13:01 /msg nickserv identify HOTF0XY0BAMAMAMA 05:13:11 aaah crap!! 05:13:18 hehehe 05:13:19 *Daemmerung* changes password with a quickness 05:13:26 *synx* ghosts Daemmerung! 05:13:38 OH HAI GUYZ 05:14:00 hot foxy obama mama? ¬.¬ 05:14:02 I AM NEWBIE AND WRITING A PROGRM 05:14:43 offby1`` [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 05:15:32 geez 05:15:38 Mama, take these backticks from me ... 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You are a pervert! 20:38:42 Pervert!!! 20:39:13 dsmith-work: is there a way to have it do (use-modules (ice-9 readline)) (activate-readline) by default when you open guile? 20:41:29 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 20:41:43 is incubot really a bot? 20:41:46 that's pretty good 20:42:02 incubot: Are you a bot? 20:42:19 fsk141: Ya, put that in your ~/.guile file (maybe is's ~/.guilerc ) 20:42:23 ok 20:42:28 -!- error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:42:39 fsk141: That's all in the manual 20:42:44 incubot is a bot that quotes messages from the logs over several years. 20:42:50 where's the manual? 20:43:11 So everything incubot says was said by a human. 20:43:34 incubot, sprout paper bags from your tentacles! 20:43:36 You've never seen him sprout paper bags angrily? 20:43:51 it's .guile btw 20:44:34 cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #scheme 20:44:37 fsk141: http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Guile-Modules.html#Guile-Modules 20:44:38 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/5c8stl 20:44:45 thanks 20:45:11 hemulen_ [n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 20:45:29 np 20:46:13 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-73-185.dyn.mit.edu] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 20:48:14 fsk141: It's not slime, but still pretty good: If you are comfortable with emacs, give gds a try: http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Using-Guile-in-Emacs.html#Using-Guile-in-Emacs 20:48:16 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/69r3tt 20:48:33 I like vim :) 20:54:26 Adamant [n=Adamant@AASU-196-61.Armstrong.EDU] has joined #scheme 21:01:10 -!- hemulen [n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:01:30 aneqrs [n=andreas@c83-253-104-206.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 21:02:10 fsk141: there is limp for vim now... back when I started out in lisp there was no such thing so I switched to emacs. very glad I did though 21:04:12 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 21:05:02 incubot: how do you like using limp? 21:05:04 the community is barely able to limp along with a handful of compilers and three or so serious efforts at VM-based schemes. 21:06:51 Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 21:07:14 rtra [n=rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has joined #scheme 21:08:06 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:11:20 amoe [n=amoe@cpc3-brig3-0-0-cust346.brig.cable.ntl.com] has joined #scheme 21:11:56 yagur [n=yyaaa@211.109.158.113] has joined #scheme 21:13:52 fsk141: otoh, limp appears to be for common lisp 21:13:59 hum 21:14:15 ya I kinda wanted scheme, cause I'm trying to learn from sicp... 21:15:57 -!- vasa [n=vasa@mm-155-90-84-93.dynamic.pppoe.mgts.by] has quit ["I am not vasya, i am vasa"] 21:17:03 Riastradh: snapshot-time-p 21:17:30 not-a-clue---try-emailing-chris 21:18:15 Riastradh: x86_64-backend-reelase-time-p 21:18:35 not-a-clue---try-emailing-rozas 21:23:02 -!- kniu [n=kniu@128.237.247.203] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:24:34 -!- hemulen_ is now known as hemulen 21:28:01 set2 [n=seth@76-191-139-155.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 21:30:22 -!- pchrist|univ [n=spirit@gateway.hpc.cs.teiath.gr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:42:01 incubot: All I want for xmas is a NaN tagged x86_64 backend. Is that too much to ask for? 21:42:03 For Xmas. 21:42:39 incubot: is that a yes or no? 21:42:44 To do this properly, you want to syntax-expand code first, but that leads to the whole thing being really difficult... Like what if some macro expands to some non-r5rs thing etc. 21:42:49 NaN tagged? 21:43:47 All objects are represented as double floats. Objects that are not `really' double floats are represented as NaNs. 21:44:07 Riastradh, oh, hbaker once wrote an article about that. 21:44:41 can make sense for float-heavy implementations. 21:45:10 I mean, implementations meant for float-heavy applications. 21:45:59 And it's just waiting for mejja to write it! 21:46:12 -!- set1 [n=seth@76-191-139-155.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:46:14 mejja? 21:46:57 He just remarked that such a system is all he wants for `xmas' (whatever that is). 21:47:03 -!- ejs [n=eugen@92-49-228-199.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:47:45 well, I think there's plenty of time to do it between now and christmas 21:48:04 take any existing scheme system, twiddle its internal object representation. 21:49:25 kniu [n=kniu@OLAWDYME.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 21:55:59 pain, but doable from now to xmas. 21:56:12 mejja: how much are you willing to pay for it? 21:57:16 saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-73-185.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 22:01:44 incubot: Santa is not in it for the money. 22:01:46 money represents new good created adn new land develoed etc. 22:03:40 -!- orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFCC42.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:07:55 mejja, Santa has operating costs -- if you don't help santa help you, who will? 22:09:47 The US federal government, obviously, is prepared to bail Santa out in case of any catastrophes. 22:10:11 Santa is too big to fail! 22:11:32 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has left #scheme 22:17:49 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-139-18.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Operation timed out] 22:18:32 a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has joined #scheme 22:19:31 -!- mejja [n=user@c-4db6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:19:51 -!- Adrinael [i=adrinael@rid7.kyla.fi] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:28:57 Adrinael [i=adrinael@rid7.kyla.fi] has joined #scheme 22:31:12 sctb [n=sctb@mail.arcurve.com] has joined #scheme 22:36:32 -!- Axioplase_ [n=Pied@trex.iro.umontreal.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:38:40 annodomini [n=lambda@130.189.179.215] has joined #scheme 22:40:52 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:42:40 -!- langmartin [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 22:43:03 AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable230.56-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 22:45:58 uh, I am trying to provide a contract for a method in PLT, via provide/contract, but somehow it doesn't work as expected. 22:46:51 I'm pasting code, wait a moment 22:47:24 Leonidas pasted "PLT contracts" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/71368 22:48:47 I'd expect that to fail, but somehow it doesn't 22:49:29 Actually, I want to check the return value of a function. It should be either an empty list or a list of lists that are nonempty. 22:51:54 I suspect provide/contract only applies the contract to other modules importing find-routez 22:53:56 p1dzkl: no, when I change the provide/contract it fails immediately, so I doubt this is the problem 22:59:32 elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has joined #scheme 23:00:56 jcowan [n=jcowan@72.14.228.89] has joined #scheme 23:04:35 *jcowan* unvanishes. 23:05:18 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 23:06:00 -!- choas [n=lars@p5B0DDC8E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 23:11:19 so, how did the jazz meeting go? 23:16:34 jazz? 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