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At those times, I seriously consider Mac-and-Cheese-icide. I dare not confess these feelings to my pastor. 01:19:37 one `Robert Pastor,' director of the `Center for Democracy and Election Management' at `American University.' 01:20:16 klutometis: about how big is the database? 01:20:22 it must be Hugh Mongous 01:24:39 of course it is, you mongoose 01:24:49 0_o 01:25:15 O_O 01:26:36 .oO("/õ\") 01:27:03 Institute for Advanced Smiley Explication 01:35:15 peter_12 [n=peter@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 01:35:42 -!- peter_12 [n=peter@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:38:33 mejja [n=user@c-4db6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 01:41:57 offby1: approaching a gig uncompressed, iirc 01:42:06 gol-lee 01:44:40 incubot: Trappist Bier 01:44:42 DRINK BIER. 01:47:56 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-73-185.dyn.mit.edu] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 01:50:15 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless209.wireless.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 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psychotic utterance! 02:20:32 incubot: Is stallman stalled? 02:20:33 Kind of stalled :-\ 02:22:13 replor_ [n=replor@ntkngw375028.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 02:22:54 incubot: my hovercraft is full of eels 02:22:56 It won't work e.g. with mysql, since the mysql client library doesn't support making a new query on the same connection if the previous result set is not fetched in full. 02:23:24 incubot: my incunabula and hapax legomenon 02:23:27 java, you understand, is presented as an hapax legomenon to unschooled undergraduates: the ur-Innovator of OO 02:23:32 shit 02:24:08 incubot: WTF 02:24:30 ventonegro: the droid only indexes 4+ letter words, unfortunately 02:24:38 oh 02:25:47 *ventonegro* -> bed 02:25:58 -!- ventonegro [i=alex@189-95-11-252.3g.claro.net.br] has quit ["going to bed"] 02:27:47 incubot: Pelé 02:28:34 ttmrichter [n=ttmricht@59.172.141.32] has joined #scheme 02:31:00 -!- Cowmoo [n=Cowmoo@c-98-218-212-176.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Connection 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Do tell about your linode being hacked, with an emphasis on how I can avoid the same fate 17:10:56 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-133-170-239.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:14:52 Happy thanksgiving american people! 17:15:10 Happy Thanksgiving! 17:15:15 *offby1* throws his turkey-encrusted dentures at mbishop 17:16:13 *mbishop* dips them in cranberry sauce and throws them back 17:16:37 saccade_ [n=saccade@209.6.23.56] has joined #scheme 17:27:08 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@209.6.23.56] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 17:49:15 -!- fschwidom [n=fschwido@dslb-084-059-232-176.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:53:20 -!- forcer [n=forcer@e177140083.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:53:25 forcer [n=forcer@e177140083.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 17:57:24 fschwidom [n=fschwido@dslb-088-068-120-240.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 17:59:15 ^self [n=fn@116.58.16.76] has joined #scheme 17:59:41 http://truckbearingkibble.com/ 17:59:59 athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has joined #scheme 18:00:02 -!- luz [n=davids@139.82.89.70] has quit ["Client exiting"] 18:04:07 -!- bsmntbombdood [n=gavin@97-118-130-100.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:04:27 attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-133-170-239.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 18:04:42 bsmntbombdood [n=gavin@97-118-130-100.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 18:05:33 -!- kuribas [i=kristof@d54C43B25.access.telenet.be] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 18:12:21 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-228-143.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 18:14:36 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-133-170-239.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:23:18 Daekene [n=foo@c-24-99-122-104.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:26:30 forcer- [n=forcer@e179199093.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 18:26:45 -!- forcer [n=forcer@e177140083.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:26:58 -!- Cowmoo [n=Cowmoo@c-98-218-212-176.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:28:02 OverNord [n=OverNord@host-091-097-123-145.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #scheme 18:33:18 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@217.205.201.45] has quit [] 18:34:44 -!- Daeken [n=foo@c-24-99-122-104.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:37:28 lisppaste: url 18:37:29 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme and enter your paste. 18:45:41 -!- OverNord [n=OverNord@host-091-097-123-145.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: 148 (No route to host)] 18:49:05 how big can an integer be in scheme? 18:50:14 depends. 18:50:43 most schemes have no limit other than the amount of available memory (i.e, you could have an integer with almost 2 billion digits) 18:50:53 a few schemes only have the usual 32-bit or 64-bit integers 18:51:07 drscheme advanced? 18:54:23 plenty big! 18:54:31 rudybot: eval (expt 2 1024) 18:54:32 offby1: ; Value: 179769313486231590772930519078902473361797697894230657273430081157732675805500963132708477322407536021120113879871393357658789768814416622492847430639474124377767893424865485276302219601246094119453082952085005768838150682342462881473913110540827237163350510684586298239947245938479716304835356329624224137216 18:54:38 big enough for ya? 18:54:51 rudybot: eval (banner) 18:54:51 offby1: ; Value: "Welcome to MzScheme v4.1.2 [3m], Copyright (c) 2004-2008 PLT Scheme Inc.\n" 18:54:57 Don't drown us in digits! 18:55:03 he asked! 18:57:42 <^self> i am inspired by this post: http://jwz.livejournal.com/854482.html 18:58:32 -!- yagur [n=yyaaa@211.109.158.113] has quit ["  ."] 18:59:45 -!- fschwidom [n=fschwido@dslb-088-068-120-240.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:00:50 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@chld.ru] has quit ["Leaving."] 19:01:06 GreyLensma1 [n=ray@c-76-108-235-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:01:32 I wasn't aware that jwz had that effect on anyone ... I'll bite 19:01:59 -!- GreyLensma1 [n=ray@c-76-108-235-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #scheme 19:03:19 ^self: interesting indeed. 19:04:57 incubot: (expt 2 1024) 19:04:58 +inf 19:05:27 *snicker* 19:05:36 heh 19:05:44 minion: chant 19:05:44 MORE SPECIFIC 19:05:47 indeed 19:05:49 although to be fair, incubot is a far more scintillating conversationalist than is rudybot 19:06:01 he sure is 19:06:09 incubot: do you like the weather in Atlanta? 19:06:12 I'm just kidding around. You ask hard questions. How do you like the weather in Atlanta? 19:06:25 hey offby1, still on the computer? 19:06:52 who, me? 19:06:54 lemme check 19:06:57 offby1: i gave my girlfriend some webspace on my linode, and she never much used it, so the passwd was the same as the account name 19:07:03 aaah 19:07:14 women 19:07:16 slack admin 19:07:17 offby1: according to lastlog, the IP came from Romania 19:07:19 Fare [n=Fare@cpe-72-224-62-193.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 19:07:27 I get probed like that once in a while. 19:07:36 I suspect everyone who runs ssh does. 19:07:44 offby1: i looked into .bash_history, it looks like it's a human, and not a bot, there were lots of ls and what not 19:07:52 any real damage? 19:08:11 i don't think he gained root, or i sure hope not 19:08:16 mainzelM [n=gasbichl@abbruchco.de] has joined #scheme 19:08:21 oh. Not much of a hack, then :-) 19:08:50 he ran some spam/port mapping type of thing out of my /var/tmp/ directory 19:09:30 it's fun reading thru the bash_history, people host all sorts of stuff off these site with funny domains 19:09:39 -!- mainzelM [n=gasbichl@abbruchco.de] has left #scheme 19:09:45 and they rename tarballs as jpg, or png and what not 19:13:00 <^self> mv ssh-hack.tar.gz ..profile 19:14:10 mv turkey table 19:15:25 jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.208.195] has joined #scheme 19:16:00 yagur [n=yyaaa@211.109.158.113] has joined #scheme 19:17:36 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 19:18:29 that's of course 19:18:34 if you want to use your turkey as a table 19:18:54 <^self> does it...hash well? 19:22:31 incubot: i can't help inserting mario-brothers ornaments into the d-minor sinfonia 19:22:33 Redefining Hood ornaments 19:22:56 ^self: corned beef hashes fairly well; but other hashes are insecure 19:23:30 Daemmerung [n=goetter@64.146.161.228] has joined #scheme 19:24:46 choas [n=lars@p5B0DDAC5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:28:48 *Daemmerung* considers a spherical turkey of uniform density 19:30:00 tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-52-217.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 19:32:08 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-28-184.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:32:11 -!- tizoc_ is now known as tizoc 19:37:03 geckosenator [n=sean@c-24-8-193-190.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:39:27 -!- Fare [n=Fare@cpe-72-224-62-193.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:42:26 *offby1* considers a spherical pillow of uniform density 19:42:34 but only because my wife just showed it to me; she's sewing it 19:47:28 eno [n=eno@adsl-70-137-136-221.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 19:48:01 -!- raikov [n=igr@81.153.145.122.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 19:49:24 -!- Adrinael [n=adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 19:49:24 -!- bsmntbombdood [n=gavin@97-118-130-100.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 19:49:24 -!- sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 19:49:24 -!- certainty|work [n=david@hades.d-coded.de] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 19:49:24 -!- DuClare [n=duclare@a81-197-106-84.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 19:49:24 -!- jlilly_ [n=jlilly@mail.justinlilly.com] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 19:49:24 -!- Elly [n=pyxy@unaffiliated/elly] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 19:49:24 -!- dlouhy [n=jdlouhy@pinball.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 19:49:24 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@196-210-170-62-wfor-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 19:49:24 -!- Leonidas [n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 19:50:37 Leonidas [n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas] has joined #scheme 19:50:37 leppie [n=lolcow@196-210-170-62-wfor-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 19:50:37 dlouhy [n=jdlouhy@pinball.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 19:50:37 Elly [n=pyxy@unaffiliated/elly] has joined #scheme 19:50:37 DuClare [n=duclare@a81-197-106-84.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 19:50:37 certainty|work [n=david@hades.d-coded.de] has joined #scheme 19:50:37 Adrinael [n=adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has joined #scheme 19:50:37 jlilly_ [n=jlilly@mail.justinlilly.com] has joined #scheme 19:50:37 sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 19:50:37 bsmntbombdood [n=gavin@97-118-130-100.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 20:02:11 happy splitsgiving@ 20:02:20 s/@/!/ 20:02:47 -!- ventonegro [n=user@136.166.1.3] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 20:05:51 JohnnyL [i=JohnnyL@ool-182ddad4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 20:07:16 replor_ [n=replor@ntkngw375028.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 20:08:11 raikov [n=igr@81.153.145.122.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 20:09:22 does anyone here knows which implementation of scheme is faster, mitscheme or mzscheme? 20:11:36 setf [i=54a66eb1@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-073b51622f55beb5] has joined #scheme 20:12:14 phao: if you're writing a program in any language that uses the hard disk, chances are the disk will be the biggest speed factor. 20:15:17 mzscheme because it has fewer letters in the name. 20:15:36 phao: What are you doing? 20:15:42 more faster to type, so much more efficient. less wear on the kbd, too. altogether superior. 20:19:44 given a list like (1 2 3 4), and a single value like 'x, what's the most elegant way to get a list like (1 x 2 x 3 x 4) ? 20:19:50 if these were strings, I could use "string-join" 20:21:00 Cowmoo [n=Cowmoo@c-98-218-212-176.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:21:17 *Daemmerung* double-takes 20:21:46 whachoo lookin' at, bwah? 20:21:59 ...a Scheme programming question? From offby1?? 20:22:05 *Daemmerung* checks the calendar 20:22:10 offby1: list-tabulate, with a cyclic list? 20:22:17 "I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny ?" 20:22:22 It doesn't make sense. April is many months away. 20:22:24 sjamaan: sounds groovy 20:22:38 *Daemmerung* thumps his calendar widget in frustration 20:23:02 Daemmerung: smarty-pants 20:23:28 I'd split the orig list into its car and cdr, then interleave the cdr and the separator element by hand, then paste the car back on at the end 20:23:42 well, I did say "elegant" :-| 20:23:44 or write a macro to do that 20:23:56 I've already got some godawful ten-line kludge that works 20:23:57 I have no elegance in my soul. 20:24:07 aren't you lot supposed to be eating turkey now? 20:24:33 Waiting for my wife to get out of the kitchen and clear the decks for my work. Turkey is coming up to room temp. 20:24:48 -!- replor [n=replor@ntkngw375028.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:24:56 hmm, not list-tabulate.. 20:25:31 actually list-tabulate might do it, but there'd be no need for a circular lits 20:25:32 list 20:26:29 (flatten (zip '(1 2 3 4) (circular-list 'x))) seems to do the trick 20:26:32 You could apply append on the results of a zip. 20:26:44 Or that 20:27:10 Jinx, dammit. 20:27:10 rudybot: eval (let ((n 4)) (flatten ( build-list n (lambda (i) (if (= i (sub1 n)) (list i) (list i 'x)))))) 20:27:11 offby1: ; Value: (0 x 1 x 2 x 3) 20:27:23 I think we're all in the same neighborhood 20:27:38 rudybot: eval (flatten (zip '(1 2 3 4) (circular-list 'x))) 20:27:38 offby1: error: reference to undefined identifier: zip 20:27:41 aw 20:27:46 rudybot: eval (require srfi/1) 20:27:48 aw 20:27:50 rudybot: eval (flatten (zip '(1 2 3 4) (circular-list 'x))) 20:27:50 offby1: ; Value: (1 x 2 x 3 x 4 x) 20:28:07 sjamaan: then I have to drop the last pair ... but still, that's not bad. 20:28:48 Chicken has INTERSPERSE 20:28:55 rudybot: eval (require srfi/1) (cons 1 (flatten (zip (circular-list 'x) '(2 3 4)))) 20:28:56 I wonder if there's something like that in SRFI-1 20:28:57 Daemmerung: ; Value: (1 x 2 x 3 x 4) 20:29:37 mainzelM [n=gasbichl@abbruchco.de] has joined #scheme 20:29:48 incubot: eval (intersperse '(1 2 3 4) 'x) 20:29:49 (1 x 2 x 3 x 4) 20:29:50 sjamaan: intersperse is exactly what I want. 20:29:53 *smack* 20:30:12 PLT has it too? 20:30:13 nothing in srfi-1 that I can see. 20:30:15 alas, no. 20:30:30 Hey not just use a fold? 20:30:43 s/Hey/Why/ 20:30:45 rudybot: eval (drop-right (flatten (zip '(1 2 3 4) (circular-list 'x))) 1) 20:30:45 offby1: ; Value: (1 x 2 x 3 x 4) 20:31:03 arcfide: I suspect a fold will be as ugly as my thing with the (if) in it. 20:31:06 But hey, give a try! 20:31:25 "intersperse" would be ideal; failing that, I kinda like what I just did above with drop-right (although it conses a lot) 20:32:10 Daeken [n=foo@c-24-99-122-104.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:32:10 -!- mainzelM [n=gasbichl@abbruchco.de] has left #scheme 20:32:29 You say it conses a lot; I say that it insists on returning only the freshest results to its caller. 20:32:45 :) 20:33:21 how from within a function, cycle across it's parameters? 20:33:26 Ha, wife's pie is in the oven. Time for men to perform manly deeds in a manly fashion. 20:34:23 (define intersperse-val (lambda (val lst) (fold-right (lambda (e s) (if (null? s) (cons e s) (cons e (cons val s)))) lst))) 20:34:41 rudybot: eval (define intersperse-val (lambda (val lst) (fold-right (lambda (e s) (if (null? s) (cons e s) (cons e (cons val s)))) lst))) 20:34:51 Real men bet on the Lions to win a game 20:34:58 knowing full well they will lose anyway 20:34:59 rudybot: (intersperse-val 'x '(1 2 3 4)) 20:35:04 bu that's the manly thing to do 20:35:06 but* 20:35:17 rudybot: eval (intersperse-val 'x '(1 2 3 4)) 20:35:18 *sjamaan* kicks rudybot 20:35:18 arcfide: error: reference to undefined identifier: fold-right 20:35:26 ... 20:35:27 Heheh. 20:35:35 rudybot: eval foldr 20:35:35 arcfide: ; Value: # 20:35:50 rudybot: eval (define fold-right foldr) 20:35:53 yep 20:35:54 rudybot: eval (intersperse-val 'x '(1 2 3 4)) 20:35:54 arcfide: error: procedure foldr: no clause matching 2 arguments: # (1 2 3 4) 20:36:14 Bah, humbug. LOL 20:36:30 rudybot: eval (define intersperse-val (lambda (val lst) (foldr (lambda (e s) (if (null? s) (cons e s) (cons e (cons val s)))) '() lst))) 20:36:34 rudybot: eval (intersperse-val 'x '(1 2 3 4)) 20:36:34 arcfide: ; Value: (1 x 2 x 3 x 4) 20:36:37 yay 20:37:21 BW^- [i=Miranda@79.138.178.231.bredband.tre.se] has joined #scheme 20:37:27 offby1: This is uglier than your other IF solution? 20:37:45 Sorry, as ugly? 20:38:05 there was some web page where ITA was interviewed on QPX and they said they somethling like use new technology to do what mainframes are used for in other companies, and deliver a better service than competitors. 20:38:09 now what URL? 20:38:16 MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has joined #scheme 20:38:35 hi BW^- 20:39:31 sjamaan: hey wzup? 20:39:40 Not much 20:39:45 Hacking on uri-generic a bit 20:39:57 arcfide: no, I love "intersperse-val" and have chosen it as the winner! 20:40:03 yay! 20:40:04 *offby1* hands arcfide a wreath with a ribbon 20:40:50 -!- Cowmoo [n=Cowmoo@c-98-218-212-176.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:40:57 how from within a function, cycle across it's parameters? 20:41:18 "cycle"? 20:41:41 -!- Daekene [n=foo@c-24-99-122-104.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:41:47 rudybot: eval ((lambda (arg1 arg2 . rest) (map add1 rest)) 1 2 3 4 5) 20:41:48 sjamaan: ; Value: (4 5 6) 20:41:54 Is that what you're looking for? 20:41:55 Cowmoo [n=Cowmoo@c-98-218-212-176.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:43:11 a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has joined #scheme 20:43:47 sjamaan iterate? 20:44:09 JohnnyL: Check the example. It maps over the rest args 20:44:15 sjamaan you see i'm a bicyclist. 20:44:23 heh 20:44:32 -!- schmalbe [n=bernhard@p549A1506.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:44:42 sjamaan what example is that? 20:44:58 -!- choas [n=lars@p5B0DDAC5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:45:22 sjamaan oh that one? 20:45:43 -!- setf [i=54a66eb1@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-073b51622f55beb5] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 20:46:58 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-139-18.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:47:26 sjamaan how do you interate over arg1, arg2? 20:48:03 offby1` [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 20:48:13 JohnnyL: Put it in the dotted list 20:48:37 rudybot: eval ((lambda all-args (map add1 all-args)) 1 2 3 4 5) 20:48:37 sjamaan: ; Value: (2 3 4 5 6) 20:50:10 oh ok, thanks! 20:50:42 sjamaan how do you grab one of the iterated values? 20:50:49 ? 20:50:54 It's a list 20:51:05 sjamaan how do you read and process only one of the iterated values? 20:51:25 How would you process a value in a list? 20:52:12 sjamaan: uri-generic? a chicken library? 20:52:21 aye 20:52:25 -!- rotty [n=rotty@chello084114192192.1.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit ["leaving"] 20:52:54 rotty [n=rotty@chello084114192192.1.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 20:53:13 -!- rotty [n=rotty@chello084114192192.1.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Client Quit] 20:53:32 sjamaan probably using car, cdr, right? 20:53:39 sure 20:53:44 or list-ref 20:53:51 it's just a list, EREKA! 20:54:04 :) 20:55:14 rotty [n=rotty@chello084114192192.1.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 21:03:17 -!- offby1 [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:05:54 lelf [n=lelf@217.118.90.201] has joined #scheme 21:06:09 dakeyras_ [n=dakeyras@76-204-254-96.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 21:06:12 -!- dakeyras_ [n=dakeyras@76-204-254-96.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:10:01 -!- umis [n=umis@prudent-gloryer.volia.net] has quit [] 21:16:00 -!- phao [n=phao@20158132063.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:19:14 -!- jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.208.195] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:20:35 choas [n=lars@p5B0DDAC5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 21:23:06 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #scheme 21:30:58 how can one simulate OO inheritence in Scheme? 21:33:00 JohnnyL: http://community.schemewiki.org/?object-oriented-programming 21:35:14 jso [n=user@host-9-143-107-208.midco.net] has joined #scheme 21:35:34 forcer- thanks 21:38:32 -!- BW^- [i=Miranda@79.138.178.231.bredband.tre.se] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 21:39:13 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has quit ["leaving"] 21:39:28 athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has joined #scheme 21:43:15 arcfide pasted "Suggestions?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/71135 21:43:33 So, I could only figure out how to do this with elementary recursion. 21:44:07 Can anyone suggest a rewrite to make this more comprehensible? 21:44:33 -!- a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 21:44:44 And for those of you who understand foof loop, I would be interested if someone knows a way to do this in foof loop that is simpler than this, because it is just a nested loop, and I would expect foof loop to handle these well. 21:44:54 s/foof loop/nested foof loop/g 21:45:08 Other more abstract forms are welcome as well. 21:46:09 -!- vasa [n=vasa@mm-74-85-84-93.dynamic.pppoe.mgts.by] has quit ["I am not vasya, i am vasa"] 21:52:52 a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has joined #scheme 21:54:33 <^self> hi 21:56:30 Hello 21:57:31 -!- lelf [n=lelf@217.118.90.201] has quit ["used jmIrc"] 21:57:38 -!- choas [n=lars@p5B0DDAC5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 22:00:21 arcfide: it'd be more comprehensible if you didn't shadow `path' twice. 22:01:00 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-61-150-59.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:02:51 -!- Cowmoo [n=Cowmoo@c-98-218-212-176.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has left #scheme 22:04:48 BW^- [i=Miranda@79.138.219.31.bredband.tre.se] has joined #scheme 22:05:46 sjamaan: where are you? 22:07:16 ^self annotated #71135 with "maybe this?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/71135#1 22:09:57 ^self: This fails because of the shadowed start. 22:10:23 <^self> oh, hmm. 22:11:02 <^self> so much for writing code at 3am! 22:11:27 Daemmerung: I am not sure that using a different name for path is more useful, because I really am just progressively modifying something that should be considered the same thing throughout. 22:13:13 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bbl"] 22:13:47 There are numerous tweaks that I could make to this general approach: LETREC vs. DEFINE, shadowing and argument order or internal scoping among them. 22:14:48 However, I was hoping that there was a neater, nicer approach that didn't rely on explicitly exposing a tail-recursive nested set of looping procedures. 22:17:20 -!- raikov [n=igr@81.153.145.122.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:17:59 BW^-: I am right here. 22:22:36 sjamaan: nice! 22:22:38 where's that? 22:22:45 In .nl 22:22:51 nice! 22:23:08 are you working with a scheme c/o? 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