00:02:21 That worked out well, thanks again. 00:06:26 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless32.wireless.utah.edu] has quit [Connection timed out] 00:07:59 arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-137-200-152.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 00:08:53 Is there anything like that for R6RS? 00:11:51 see you, guys 00:14:37 -!- arthurmaciel [n=user@189.107.143.245] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:14:47 p1dzkl [i=p1dzkl@2001:470:d0be:0:0:0:0:13] has joined #scheme 00:17:01 tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-46-60.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 00:18:44 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-46-80.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 00:19:25 -!- tizoc_ is now known as tizoc 00:20:05 -!- orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFF468.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Gone."] 00:22:23 synthasee [n=synthase@68.63.20.12] has joined #scheme 00:30:00 -!- p1dzkl [i=p1dzkl@2001:470:d0be:0:0:0:0:13] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:33:43 -!- fschwidom [n=fschwido@dslb-084-059-143-016.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 148 (No route to host)] 00:37:52 fschwidom [n=fschwido@dslb-084-059-057-174.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 00:38:22 orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFF468.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 00:41:11 *klutometis* thinks to himself: if this were 4chan, I wonder what R6RS would word-filter to. 00:45:03 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@business-89-132-61-222.business.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:48:09 -!- Mr_SpOOn [n=Mr_SpOOn@89-97-102-218.ip17.fastwebnet.it] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 00:49:48 -!- kniu [n=kniu@CMU-301252.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:51:13 kalven, the likelihood of such a test existing for R6RS is a product of the interest that anyone would have in creating such a test and the chance that anyone would have the skill/motivation to create it. 00:52:22 Which tells you where you would find it, if it exists. 00:53:28 Daemmerung, a good first guess could be created by filtering all the names of people who have written SRFIs, and then all the names of people who have written and/or contributed to Scheme implementations. 00:53:36 That list ought to be short enough to cover in an hour or two. 00:53:44 There is an R6RS test suite. 00:54:58 gnomon: interesting. 00:56:43 -!- aquanaut [n=user@pool-71-191-49-201.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:58:50 raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has joined #scheme 01:00:09 kniu [n=kniu@LEMON.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 01:09:26 -!- wastrel [n=wastrel@nylug/member/wastrel] has quit ["bye now"] 01:10:10 did you see any Neural Net stuff in Scheme? 01:10:18 or CL 01:10:22 Oh, this is a bit rude, but the numbers are interesting: for i in {1..98}; do wget -qO- "http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-${i}/index.html" | sed -ne '/by/{s/<[^>]\+>//g;s/ .*by //;s/\( and \|, \)/\n/g;s/\(^[ \t]*\|[ \t]*$\)//g;p;q;}'; done | sort | uniq -c | sort -nk 1,1 01:11:31 I'm sure that Riastradh is irked by the person who shares his rank in that list. 01:13:40 Great... sort choked and died because the pages are not in utf8, thus nullifying all the output. 01:14:02 gnomon: Care to paste the output of that command, since it doesn't work on my system. ;-) 01:17:30 -!- orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFF468.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:19:45 -!- sad0ur [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:20:33 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:23:03 gnomon pasted "List of SRFI authors, sorted by number of appearances in the 'by' line" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/70544 01:25:21 Heheh. 01:27:42 wasabi_ [n=wasabi@p4132-ipbfp04kyoto.kyoto.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 01:28:35 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:36:22 Heh. heh. heh. 01:37:51 anything on neural nets? 01:38:26 -!- underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052011.bbtec.net] has quit [] 01:40:05 BW^-: AIMA has code free for downloading which includes some neural net implementations. 01:40:41 ... in CL, not Scheme, but it's straightfoward to translate. 01:41:06 foof: aha? url? 01:43:54 page 563ff. 01:44:31 -!- onox [n=onox@kalfjeslab.demon.nl] has quit ["zzzz"] 01:47:17 ? 01:47:27 -!- rdd [n=user@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:02:01 -!- fschwidom [n=fschwido@dslb-084-059-057-174.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:04:30 foof: url? 02:04:31 gnomon, your script errs. It fails to identify the three forms of Andre van Tonder, whose SRFI counts sum to four. 02:06:39 BW^-: I dunno... did you try googling it? 02:09:18 ok 02:09:51 That Andre is a sneaky dutchman! 02:09:58 cpfr [n=cf@cpe-76-171-165-212.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:12:07 I thought the Dutch were weird, not sneaky 02:20:03 *foof* is distracted by the two readings of his previous sentence, and what the distinction means linguistically 02:22:02 Riastradh, the script errs in more ways than that. Look how often Marc Feeley appears in the output! 02:22:10 (the dreaded Oxford Comma strikes again!) 02:22:26 No, it was a theft of the perfectly meek Oxford comma. 02:22:26 ugh 02:22:32 http://www.amk.ca/python/howto/unicode 02:22:36 Besides, it's a shell script. Those things aren't supposed to work except by accident. 02:22:40 ...oops. Or your script was wrong. 02:23:02 I'm too lazy either to read your script or to look at the relevant web pages. 02:23:03 "Increased RAM usage doesn't matter too much [...], but expanding our usage of disk and network bandwidth by a factor of 4 is intolerable." 02:23:14 WTF?! 02:23:18 Whatever is wrong, I stand solidly by the Oxford comma. 02:23:26 We need to conserve disk more than RAM?! 02:23:48 Why are you reading a web page whose URI contains the strings `python', `howto', and `unicode'? 02:23:55 It's wrong because the regex replaces all instances of ', ' with a newline, and also replaces all instances of ' and ' with a newline. The bit in question is that in one place, the string ', and Marc Feeley' appears, and the first regex removes the space on which the second regex would have otherwise matched. 02:24:04 Riastradh: Good point. 02:24:10 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Riastradh 02:24:13 *foof* waits for his morning coffee to take effect 02:24:45 foof, that argument is probably less about conserving disk space than about avoiding the performance hit of disk activity... but I'm not going to bother reading the article to find out! 02:25:08 why does drscheme uses so much memory? once memory usage goes up. it hardly goes down. 02:25:28 anyone know why? 02:25:31 *gnomon* ducks under a flame-retardant fallout cape 02:25:39 Duck and cover! 02:26:08 -!- hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has quit ["leaving"] 02:26:21 -!- Riastradh has set mode -o Riastradh 02:29:21 -!- a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 02:30:27 sad0ur [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has joined #scheme 02:36:33 gnomon, by the way, aside from your comments on the introductory paragraph, had you anything else to say about the revised foof-loop.txt? 02:37:10 saccade_ [n=saccade@65.78.24.47] has joined #scheme 02:37:13 yagur: maybe it's slow to garbage collect. 02:37:20 yagur: check for a (gc) procedure or similar 02:37:36 No, that's silly, BW^-. 02:37:48 riastradh: yes i know. 02:37:54 better decrease the live %. 02:37:54 GreyLensman [n=ray@c-76-108-235-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:37:59 -!- GreyLensman [n=ray@c-76-108-235-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #scheme 02:41:50 BW^-: thanks.. But I'm new to scheme... is there a way to check gc procedure to decrease live %? 02:42:19 No, that's all silly. Invoking the GC explicitly will not reduce the amount of memory reserved by the Scheme process. 02:42:58 it's simple hanoi tower. when i execute the code in mzscheme it doesnt use much memory. it happens only in drscheme. 02:43:08 yagur: i don't know drscheme. 02:43:13 DrScheme does much more than MzScheme. 02:43:15 yagur: i would know in gambit. 02:44:26 BW^- Riastradh thanks... maybe i have to change my scheme... 02:44:42 CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-61-150-59.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:44:42 -!- JohnnyL [i=JohnnyL@ool-182ddad4.dyn.optonline.net] has left #scheme 02:44:49 Is RAM a scarce resource for you? 02:46:08 not really but.. when i run 20 disc of hanoi-tower, it uses more than 200 MB of memory. 02:46:28 and if keep executing the code.. drscheme uses more than a gigabyte. 02:47:15 it happens on windows and linux. same... 02:47:24 First of all, be aware that measuring the amount of pages of physical RAM that will actually be occupied by DrScheme is not always a trivial task. It may reserve many more pages of virtual address space than it actually uses at any one time. 02:49:27 riastradh: why? 02:49:49 yagur: Your tower is too tall. 02:50:04 As punishment God has factioned Scheme into dozens of incompatible implementations. 02:50:11 Pages of virtual address space will remain reserved from the operating system even if they contain only garbage. 02:51:09 foof: i'm not good at english.. i think that was funny =) 02:55:24 Dawgmatix [n=deep@207-237-30-94.c3-0.avec-ubr11.nyr-avec.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 02:57:18 is there a scheme implementation which uses rc, instead of gc?... 02:58:11 yagur: Reference counting is broken, slower and more complicated than proper GC. It's inferior in every way. 03:04:36 underspecified [n=eric@clair16.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 03:04:40 What is the current state of the art when it comes to GC? 03:05:00 I understand that generational GC seems to work pretty well. 03:05:25 foof: i didnt know that.. thx.. 03:05:56 foof: but c++ with rc doesnt seems to be slower than java with gc... maybe wrong comparison targets... 03:09:37 Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 03:12:46 -!- mejja [n=user@c-4db6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit ["*bork bork*"] 03:15:26 yagur: With C++ you'd have to use manual reference counting, and the burden is put on the programmer to know when and where to inc/def references. 03:16:37 With a language that manages memory for you, if you use ref counting every single store into memory needs to dec the previous value (freeing if it hits 0) and inc the new value. 03:20:56 RC also requires the memory overhead of a counter for every heap-allocated object. This is usually 16 bits, which gives attackers a consistent way to break the runtime by creating an object with 2^16 references. 03:21:26 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 03:27:19 hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has joined #scheme 03:28:50 foof: yeah, RC requires more effort for the programmer.. but using idom like smartptr makes easier to deal with RC. and I think RC will use memory more efficiently. 03:30:42 and reference counter is usually 32 bits... may be wrong. if it's true than, that make 2^32 references. 03:30:59 yagur: We're talking about two different things that go by the same name. 03:31:17 You're talking about a specific, application-level manual reference counting done in C/C++. 03:32:05 I'm talking about higher-level languages that do memory management for you, which may use global, systematic reference counting do achieve this. 03:32:26 It's apples and oranges. 03:33:00 Compared to proper GC, automated reference counting loses in every way. 03:33:25 You can't, however, directly compare manual memory management to automated memory management. 03:34:42 i wasnt not trying to say which is better.. sorry. 03:35:14 it's just drscheme's keeping the memory.. and dont release it 03:35:47 so I just wanted to know if there are implementation which uses memory more efficiently. 03:39:37 a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has joined #scheme 03:44:20 quix [n=quix@c-24-63-111-249.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:46:01 sure 03:46:41 But in Scheme the sort of RC that would be possible is very different from the manual techniques you can use in C/C++, and would always be worse than GC. 03:48:08 -!- BW^- [n=Miranda@94.191.172.145.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 03:48:10 -!- nigel [n=Nigel@CPE00195b51a890-CM000f212fa654.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 03:49:09 Anyway, Larceny puts a lot of effort into its GC, that might be better. 03:49:41 OK: go run DrScheme on Larceny, then. 03:54:51 I'm not sure if either can relinquish memory to the OS. 03:55:19 Any implementation that uses mmap for large objects will relinquish memory though. 03:55:29 -!- foof [n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp] has quit ["brb"] 03:58:37 Arelius [n=Indy@netblock-68-183-230-134.dslextreme.com] has joined #scheme 03:59:01 yagur: which version/OS are you using? 03:59:21 fedora 9 x86_64, and windows XP. 03:59:39 And which PLT version? 03:59:42 4.1.2 03:59:51 Does it say "3m" when it starts up? 04:00:07 (On the same line that it shows the version.) 04:00:14 Welcome to DrScheme, version 4.1.2 [3m]. 04:00:21 it say.. this.. 04:00:43 In that case it is using the proper GC, and it does return unused pages to the system. 04:01:31 However, no matter how you look at it, DrScheme is heavy. Getting to around 200-300mb is not uncommon. But if you're getting to 1gb, then you might have a bug. 04:02:44 3.7.2 acts same. 04:02:55 maybe it's my os problem. 04:03:03 thx for the answer. 04:03:04 *offby1* waves 04:03:16 -!- quix [n=quix@c-24-63-111-249.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:03:29 foof [n=user@isa7-dhcp-116-151.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 04:06:31 yagur: Yes, 372 uses the same GC. Earlier versions, as well as some debian intallations, use the Bohm conservative GC, which is usually well less behaved. (Especially for long running processes.) 04:06:57 "less well" ? 04:07:11 yes. 04:08:05 The conservative GC has some aspects that make it explode with certain kinds of programs -- 3m, in contrast, takes a somewhat larger overhead, but works much better. 04:08:20 So badly behaved it even transposes words written about it, simply because they had the wrong number in the sequence of words in a document! 04:09:02 -!- Mr_Awesome [n=eric@isr5956.urh.uiuc.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:09:59 *eli* invites everyone to grade midterms, talk with a wife, and deal with a new release 04:10:08 I'll see how you type then. 04:11:38 Mr_Awesome [n=eric@c-98-212-143-245.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:12:00 [When you do all that and IRC at the same time, that is.] 04:21:25 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-61-150-59.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:22:06 sili [n=sili@125.212.94.79] has joined #scheme 04:33:43 Daemmeru` [n=goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has joined #scheme 04:33:55 -!- Daemmerung [n=goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:38:34 -!- Dawgmatix [n=deep@207-237-30-94.c3-0.avec-ubr11.nyr-avec.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 04:54:54 -!- geckosenator [n=sean@c-24-8-193-190.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:56:24 -!- Daemmeru` is now known as Daemmerung 04:58:07 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has quit ["Leaving."] 05:01:05 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A0733.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:02:19 benny [n=benny@i577A0733.versanet.de] has joined #scheme 05:08:22 la la la 05:10:35 tjafk2 [n=timj@e176213144.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 05:14:01 -!- Mr_Awesome [n=eric@c-98-212-143-245.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:16:47 -!- jso [n=user@151.159.200.89] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 05:20:00 synthase [n=synthase@68.63.20.12] has joined #scheme 05:20:31 yeah yeah yeah 05:23:16 -!- qwerty01 [n=nimaj@d199-126-167-79.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:26:58 timmy_boy [n=timmy_bo@71-87-57-97.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 05:27:49 -!- synthasee [n=synthase@68.63.20.12] has quit [Success] 05:28:32 -!- gweiqi [n=greg@69.120.126.163] has left #scheme 05:28:35 -!- tjafk1 [n=timj@e176202010.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:32:22 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #scheme 05:34:22 -!- hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has quit ["leaving"] 05:34:32 -!- incubot [n=incubot@24.205.65.135] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:35:28 synthasee [n=synthase@68.63.20.12] has joined #scheme 05:37:45 incubot [n=incubot@24.205.65.135] has joined #scheme 05:41:32 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 05:41:54 -!- sili [n=sili@125.212.94.79] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:45:04 hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has joined #scheme 05:45:08 -!- synthase [n=synthase@68.63.20.12] has quit [Connection timed out] 05:45:30 in chicken scheme, is there something like (read-line input) 05:45:33 but is non-blocking ? 05:45:53 ? 05:46:04 how could read-line not block, if there wasn't a whole line available? 05:46:05 hml: It's the port itself that blocks, not the procedures you call in it. 05:46:47 ... and I don't think there are any blocking ports in Chicken. 05:47:50 now foof is confusing me 05:48:19 surely there are procedures to read form a port, that don't return until data is available on the port 05:48:38 are we defining "blocking" differently? 05:48:43 offby1: yes 05:49:09 I'm talking about file descriptors with O_NONBLOCK set 05:49:32 *offby1* can't remember what that means 05:49:38 been a while since I wrote any C code 05:50:21 hmm, how can I rewrite: (forever (lambda () (let ((expr (read-line input))) 05:50:21 (let ((res (eval (read (open-input-string expr))))) 05:50:21 (format output "~A~N" res)))))))) 05:50:24 so that it doesn't block? 05:50:56 (i'd prefer to not make my code multithread), something alont the liens of 05:51:10 while(1) { check_for_repl(); display_graphics(); } 05:51:22 and i'd prefer the graphics not wait just because my read=-line is blocking 05:51:48 sounds like a good case for multithreading to me 05:51:56 It affects the behavior of read(2). Normally read(2) will block until data is available, but if O_NONBLOCK is set it will just return 0 bytes. 05:52:28 yeah, I see that now, having read the GNU C Library docs. 05:52:50 multithreading in chicken ... is that stable, with the one thte gc works and all that? 05:53:02 no idea 05:53:13 hml: Yes, multithreading in Chicken is perfectly stable. 05:56:52 for a given port, is ther e afunction to check is there is data to be read from it? 05:57:01 ramkrsna [n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #scheme 05:57:35 kind like tcp-accept-ready?, except rather than checking whether it's ready to accept, i want to check whether there is data there 05:57:40 hml: char-ready? (be careful, it may not be reliable) 06:01:25 hmm, i see srfi-18 06:01:32 so how do threads actually communicate between each other? 06:01:44 i'm not seeing primitives like locks and semaphores 06:01:48 Carrier pigeon. 06:07:02 so no, seriously; what primitives do i have for synchorinizing between threads? 06:09:50 srfi-18 has mutexen 06:12:38 sad0ur_ [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has joined #scheme 06:15:09 foof: good call, i was looking at the chicken -srfi18 docs, not the srfi-18 docs 06:16:19 -!- sad0ur [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:26:40 -!- sad0ur_ [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:27:05 sad0ur [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has joined #scheme 06:28:07 eww. 06:28:15 try to find a message-passing library 06:28:20 mutxes == scary 06:28:47 offby1: What's so bad about mutexes? 06:29:06 hard to avoid deadlock, at least if you're me 06:29:13 *arcfide* shrugs. 06:29:36 And how does message passing make it easier? 06:29:41 no deadlock :) 06:30:00 really, I dunno 06:30:07 maybe I'm just used to message passin 06:30:09 passing 06:30:17 it just seems simpler 06:31:47 -!- MelanomaSky [n=Melanoma@c-98-207-156-209.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["leaving"] 06:34:42 Mr_Awesome [n=eric@isr5956.urh.uiuc.edu] has joined #scheme 06:34:56 BW^- [i=Miranda@79.138.153.132.bredband.tre.se] has joined #scheme 06:35:08 elf: around? 06:42:01 (define (forever x) (x) (forever x)) 06:42:01 (define t1 (make-thread (forever (lambda () (format #t "hello world~N"))))) 06:42:01 (define t2 (make-thread (forever (lambda () (format #t "bye bye~N"))))) 06:42:01 (thread-start! t1) (thread-start! t2) 06:42:06 why do I only get "hello world" in this? 06:46:07 -!- Cale [n=Cale@CPE001c10c70239-CM000e5cdd834a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:49:08 eli, you aren't in the other channel 06:49:30 anyway, have you looked at the output of mzc --decompile and tried to optimize based on that? 06:49:54 sad0ur_ [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has joined #scheme 06:50:55 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:51:08 n/m, gotit fixed :-) 06:51:09 -!- bzzbzz [n=franco@modemcable027.191-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["leaving"] 06:52:15 -!- sad0ur [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:55:18 vorpal [n=rhunter@pdpc/supporter/student/vorpal] has joined #scheme 06:55:53 __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has joined #scheme 07:00:06 -!- __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:03:03 sad0ur [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has joined #scheme 07:09:41 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65.78.24.47] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 07:17:13 saccade_ [n=saccade@65.78.24.47] has joined #scheme 07:19:12 __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has joined #scheme 07:21:06 -!- sad0ur [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has quit [Connection timed out] 07:27:13 -!- __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:30:06 -!- bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:30:18 bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 07:33:48 -!- sad0ur_ [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:37:46 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65.78.24.47] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 07:39:25 in chicken; how do i set up the (repository-path) directory to include things besiders /usr/local/lib/chicken/3 ? I want to include stuff in /home/x/mylibs/utils/ in the path for (require 'XYZ) 07:41:44 Def [n=joe@c-68-62-76-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:43:18 -!- Deformati [n=joe@c-68-62-76-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:46:35 __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has joined #scheme 07:50:29 -!- vorpal [n=rhunter@pdpc/supporter/student/vorpal] has quit ["The incensed priests...continued to raise their voices, vituperating each other in bad Latin"] 07:51:06 -!- __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:00:20 elmex [n=elmex@e180066123.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 08:10:33 __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has joined #scheme 08:13:32 -!- __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:13:33 -!- npe [i=npe@66.112.249.148] has quit [] 08:17:30 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #scheme 08:29:07 schmalbe [n=bernhard@p549A06D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 08:33:32 __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has joined #scheme 08:38:11 -!- __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:53:53 -!- hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:56:59 __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has joined #scheme 08:58:19 -!- __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:12:43 borism [n=boris@195-50-204-153-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has joined #scheme 09:17:33 __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has joined #scheme 09:18:36 -!- __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:20:14 orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFE33F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 09:29:20 ejs [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #scheme 09:31:19 -!- a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 09:37:49 __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has joined #scheme 09:40:36 dirchh [n=user@jimi.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de] has joined #scheme 09:43:12 -!- __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:45:48 user____ [n=user@p549274FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 09:53:32 -!- incubot [n=incubot@24.205.65.135] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:55:15 incubot [n=incubot@24.205.65.135] has joined #scheme 09:59:39 hmm, running drscheme: (require sgl sgl/gl-vectors). result: ffi-lib: couldn't open "libGL.so" (libGL.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory), all the libs seem to be installed: http://pastebin.ca/1259100 10:02:12 __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has joined #scheme 10:04:45 hml: ask on #chicken 10:04:48 -!- __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:04:59 also the gears example from drscheme doesnt work 10:05:01 Mr_SpOOn [n=Mr_SpOOn@89-97-102-218.ip17.fastwebnet.it] has joined #scheme 10:05:19 user____: just because you can find the libs doesn't mean they're in LD_LIBRARY_PATH 10:07:06 foof: isnt the distro (debian) supposed to manage this (i only use their packages)? 10:07:23 Sorry, I just looked at your prompt. 10:07:30 Looks like a bug. 10:08:19 would it be bug in packaging or in the scheme module? 10:08:29 yes 10:11:10 foof: sorry, which one? bug in packaging or in the scheme module? 10:11:29 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 10:11:45 More likely a bug in mzscheme or in the opengl module. 10:11:52 -!- foof [n=user@isa7-dhcp-116-151.naist.jp] has quit ["need food..."] 10:14:53 attila_lendvai [n=ati@business-89-132-61-222.business.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 10:23:47 __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has joined #scheme 10:34:57 -!- __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:35:10 foof [n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 10:36:23 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B057B01.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 10:41:29 Is there a Map datatype SRFI? 10:41:41 key-value map 10:41:54 69 dudes! 10:43:29 rdd [n=user@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 10:43:29 that's hash tables right? 10:43:32 how's 44? 10:44:26 44 is an abstract idea for an API for various datatypes 10:44:55 -!- ttmrichter_ [n=ttmricht@59.172.140.194] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 10:46:07 what sort of useful distinction can you really draw between maps and hashtables? 10:46:07 sure, it's a matter of type/token; but what are you looking for? 10:46:43 Daemmerung: thanks for the fluxus hint, working my way to get it running with an external editor 10:47:39 Hash tables need a hash function. Trees need a less-then comparator. 10:47:42 iion_tichy [n=Bjoern@e179067141.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 10:47:54 klutometis: I don't suspect it'll matter too much atm, as I'm just looking for a quick solution that'll likelly be custom... 10:48:09 Without either of those, you can't have a general-purpose efficient key-value lookup. 10:48:20 but my value is going to be a SHA hash, so it just feels weird to hash a hash. 10:48:28 err 10:48:33 the key is going to be a SHA hash 10:48:52 so I figure a tree of sorts might be more appropiate 10:50:04 jdijk [i=jdijk@ftth-212-84-159-210.solcon.nl] has joined #scheme 10:50:16 -!- jdijk [i=jdijk@ftth-212-84-159-210.solcon.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 10:53:34 ventonegro [n=user@136.166.1.3] has joined #scheme 10:53:35 ttmrichter [n=ttmricht@59.172.140.194] has joined #scheme 10:53:47 __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has joined #scheme 10:56:26 -!- __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:01:45 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-150-142.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 11:11:04 http://curtis.lassam.net/comics/programmers.png 11:12:43 -!- synthasee [n=synthase@68.63.20.12] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:15:12 __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has joined #scheme 11:17:03 -!- __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:17:14 where are the scheme programmers? :-( 11:17:54 hacking 11:18:25 good answer 11:20:20 -!- wasabi_ [n=wasabi@p4132-ipbfp04kyoto.kyoto.ocn.ne.jp] has quit ["Leaving..."] 11:24:55 pmatos [n=pmatos@pocm06r.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 11:33:44 -!- Arelius [n=Indy@netblock-68-183-230-134.dslextreme.com] has quit [] 11:35:44 __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has joined #scheme 11:37:08 -!- __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:39:09 -!- rtra [n=rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:40:57 What's the lisp programmer doing? 11:42:26 -!- orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFE33F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:47:16 fschwidom [n=fschwido@dslb-084-059-057-174.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 11:56:21 __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has joined #scheme 11:56:49 -!- __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:58:36 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-150-142.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Connection timed out] 12:00:24 sjamaan: The other lisp programmer. 12:05:11 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:12:32 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #scheme 12:15:35 __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has joined #scheme 12:18:23 tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-47-208.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 12:20:00 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-46-60.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 12:20:02 -!- tizoc_ is now known as tizoc 12:22:06 -!- user____ [n=user@p549274FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:22:18 -!- __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 12:24:22 -!- AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable230.56-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["foo"] 12:26:29 -!- pmatos [n=pmatos@pocm06r.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:27:33 -!- Adrinael [i=adrinael@rid7.kyla.fi] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:27:37 Adrinael [i=adrinael@rid7.kyla.fi] has joined #scheme 12:29:01 foof: i guess it's kind of haha java/corp-lisp/geriatric-perl/larry-wall-haskell/non-existent, but what's up with ruby/fight-club? 12:29:15 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-128-129.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 12:31:09 -!- specbot [n=specbot@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 12:31:09 -!- minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 12:31:09 -!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Want lisppaste in your channel? Email lisppaste-requests AT common-lisp.net."] 12:31:20 lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 12:31:26 minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 12:31:32 specbot [n=specbot@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 12:31:52 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B057B01.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:32:56 wibble. 12:33:44 higepon578 [n=taro@FL1-122-130-138-220.tky.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 12:34:23 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B057B01.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 12:35:25 incubot: the first rule of fight club is: you don't talk about fight club 12:35:28 unfortunately, I had left my lambda-shaped billy club at home 12:35:34 sehr nice! 12:40:29 incubot: how much code must a man walk down, before he discovers the lam(bda)? 12:40:30 Error: unbound variable: how 12:40:36 thats interesting. 12:40:56 incubot: where do you get off, insulting the memory of the great Dylan?! 12:40:58 Hey! Does anyone here care that Smerdyakov has any connection with reality of Lisp or Smalltalk environments before he makes insulting comments about their technical practicality? 12:40:59 *elf* pokes at klutometis. 12:41:10 __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has joined #scheme 12:41:21 *offby1* peeks at elf 12:41:36 *elf* spews garbage at offby1. 12:41:38 peek, then poke. 12:41:54 sounds like the progress of a date 12:41:55 *offby1* glances around nervously. 12:41:59 *elf* laughs. 12:42:14 *elf* ponders thread-safe BASIC. 12:42:20 you guys nocturnal, or just waking up? 12:42:27 *offby1* ponders a javascript interpreter written in elisp 12:42:27 *elf* kills off his ponderthought before it kills him. 12:42:29 nocturnal. 12:42:41 klutometis: whats with the 'unbound variable' earlier? 12:42:44 klutometis: just waking up: Mr Cat likes us to get up with him ... and will stop at nothing until we do 12:42:51 is that actually a db hit, or is that an error? 12:43:00 offby1: wow; don't tell me you're require to head in by 5am ;) 12:43:09 *elf* can stop your cat for you, offby1. 12:43:14 elf: that's a db hit, (un)fortunately 12:43:25 he doesn't care when I go to work; he just gets up early himself and would really like the company :-| 12:43:26 *elf* puts some kat fud in a washing machine. 12:43:46 elf: heh; what's that from: far side? 12:43:55 elf: I assume that "Error: unbound variable: how" was an actual db hit -- it contains the word "how", after all 12:44:04 *elf* gives klutometis 500 pts for recognising the ref. 12:44:08 http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h190/Morphthecat/FarSide-CatFud.gif 12:44:20 quick googlin' thar, pard 12:44:29 heh 12:44:38 dammit, google got that for you? 12:44:42 *elf* is disappointed. 12:44:50 no, no; i knew it first, googled second 12:44:58 just read the complete larson a few weeks ago 12:44:59 I believe him 12:45:06 i believe you too. 12:45:12 im fond of the far side. 12:45:25 i just dislike the google-as-universal-memory mentality. :) 12:45:46 *elf* likes his information in the form of pulped trees. 12:45:55 eww 12:46:10 that's what they call necrodendrolatry, i think 12:46:12 with a healthy dose of dioxin, bleach, and ink. 12:46:46 *elf* hms. 12:46:51 -!- __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:46:52 dead branches? 12:46:53 hemulen [n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 12:47:01 worship of dead branches? 12:47:07 close: dead trees 12:47:31 elf: hey, I used up all my memory on hash buckets. Outsourcing the chains to Google was my only option. 12:47:32 anyway: the complete far side is beautiful; it comes in two venerable volumes that smell like the OED 12:47:38 *offby1* gon' give Mr Rudybot some knockout drops 12:47:43 -!- rudybot [n=luser@li11-10.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:48:10 necro is a latin prefix, not greek. 12:48:23 combination of greek and latin. hmph. 12:48:28 hotblack231 [n=jh@p5B057B01.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 12:48:30 elf: true; but you'd need to do something awkward like thanatodendrolatry 12:48:33 Which makes sense, since Latin is dead. 12:48:41 or necroarboratry. 12:48:43 -latry itself is latin, i think 12:48:49 elf: that's a good one 12:49:02 *elf* grins at foof. 12:49:54 chandler: perhaps you should switch to hash pails? 12:49:57 elf: it becomes a question of whether to avoid the oa caesura or mix stems 12:50:10 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-128-129.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Operation timed out] 12:50:25 klutometis: i was being a purist. i know thats not a popular opinion in these r6 days... 12:50:52 arboratry is off, anyway. something needs to be cleaned. 12:50:58 i like the oa, though. :) 12:51:09 reminds me of green lantern. 12:51:33 heh; i wonder if r<6-olatry is a condition 12:52:02 *elf* wonders if necror6mancy is an option. 12:52:11 although why we'd want to revive it is a different matter. 12:52:14 *elf* grumps. 12:52:26 *elf* has been sorting through papers all night and is generally grumpy. apologies. 12:52:39 *klutometis* thinks elf just coined a great name for a scheme impl 12:52:46 "necror6mancy"? 12:52:55 polysyllabic, but cute 12:52:56 reviving the spectre of r6rs. 12:53:26 *elf* needs to finish writing this damn post re: SC blah blah. 12:53:37 rudybot [n=luser@li11-10.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 12:53:50 how come monosyllabic isnt? 12:53:58 isn't what? 12:54:05 isnt self-describing. 12:54:20 monosyllabic isnt monosyllabic. its rather obnoxious. 12:54:26 boy, running the PLT standalone compiler 1) took a long time; but 2) sure sped up startup 12:54:30 right, right; pondering... 12:54:40 *elf* grumps at languages. 12:54:48 offby1: as long as stalin? 12:54:52 ha, no 12:54:58 that's not saying much, though 12:54:59 synthasee [n=synthase@68.63.20.12] has joined #scheme 12:55:00 elf: because it's a pretentious way to say "short" 12:55:01 *elf* coughs something about heat-death of universes. 12:55:09 aspect: win :) 12:55:12 it's not a native-code compiler (at least, the standalone compilation isn't) 12:55:42 what book do i want to get? 12:56:01 elf: complete kalvin and hobbes 12:56:05 "Free Pesto Spaghetti For Everyone" 12:56:06 i dont have that much money. 12:56:15 besides, i already i have all the c&h books. 12:56:16 calvin* 12:56:36 or did, before my sisters stole em. :) 12:56:47 where's spot? 12:56:59 where's spot? 12:57:04 *elf* is confused. 12:57:09 winnie ille pu? 12:57:24 *elf* laughs. 12:57:40 where's spot? is a book my daughter recently tore up; winnie ille pu, another. 12:58:08 by 'winnie ille pu' are you referring to the a a milne classics, or to the tao series by benjamin whatshisname.' 12:58:11 ? 12:58:31 it must be nice having children. at least you know where the books go when they disappear. 12:58:39 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 12:58:40 didn't know there were two; must be milne 12:58:53 but their constituent parts dematerialize into the aether 12:58:53 youve not heard of 'the tao of pooh' ? 12:59:15 have now; any good? 12:59:21 not really. 12:59:44 intro to taoism 101 by someone with an incomplete understanding of basic taoist concepts. 12:59:54 still, an amusing and worthwhile read. 13:00:05 benjamin hoff. 13:00:08 thats his last name. 13:00:10 drives me insane. 13:00:15 sounds like that tao-motorcycles book 13:00:28 zen-motorcycles you mean? 13:00:37 sorry; that's zen 13:00:37 yeah 13:00:52 that book isnt about buddhism, though. :) 13:01:13 right; but seems to be a western analogy derived from incomplete understanding 13:01:19 much like any english haiku 13:01:25 m... 13:01:45 i have less objection to the zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance book's reference to zen, actually. 13:02:07 but that may be due to my own incomplete understandings. 13:02:43 i mean, the narrator is trying to unify all the disparate and screwy pieces of his life and find the underlying pattern of himself and his relationships and whatnot. 13:03:16 which, in my limited understanding, is at least a first goal of novices. 13:03:56 whereas the tao of pooh book is actually trying to explain taoism using winnie the pooh as an analogy/model, and does it fairly badly (imho) 13:04:09 *elf* shrugs. 13:04:18 actually, pirsig issues a disclaimer: "it should in no way be associated with that great body of factual information relating to orthodox Zen Buddhist practice. It's not very factual on motorcycles, either." 13:04:27 that saves the book imo 13:04:28 heh. 13:04:32 i dont even remember that. 13:04:42 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B057B01.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:04:55 i dont remember any discussion of zen at all in the book, actually. 13:05:51 whereas hoff has higher pretentions 13:05:57 s/higher/loftier/ 13:06:14 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-187-119.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 13:06:20 s/pretentions/pretenses/ 13:06:24 __link [n=link@122.166.40.72] has joined #scheme 13:06:35 s/pretensiousness/ 13:06:41 *elf* coughs. 13:06:45 heh 13:06:49 its a different category of book. 13:06:54 like i said, intro to taoism 101. 13:07:07 vs life narration find-oneself blah blah. 13:07:16 for people who aren't ready for lao-tzu, apparently 13:07:23 *elf* is being unnecessarily grumpy and mean, sorry. 13:07:49 the pooh that can be spoken of is not the true pooh? 13:08:03 bad mood is just a reservoir of untapped scientific rigour 13:08:03 *elf* dreams klutometis is a butterfly, to avoid the infinite self-recursion. 13:08:12 heh 13:08:42 isn't self-recursion pleonastic, sort of like self-reflection? 13:09:12 not necessarily on either count. 13:09:27 (let loop1 (blah...) 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Riastradh is Katharine Hepburn's nephew. 14:15:34 Ah, I was confusing the bots. 14:15:40 incubot: klutometis 14:15:42 http://paste.lisp.org/display/46470 might interest you 14:16:26 hmm; i always did wonder how to write a nice compose macro 14:16:29 incubot: offby1 14:17:15 offby1 has a non-alphabetic character in his name, unfortunately 14:17:18 have to fix that 14:17:24 similarly with rNrs 14:17:43 Sorry offby1, we need to rename you offbyone 14:18:06 incubot: foof 14:18:09 MIT Scheme's pretty-printer will unexpand things like ((LAMBDA (FOO BAR) BAZ) QUUX ZOT) into (LET ((FOO QUUX) (BAR ZOT)) BAZ). 14:18:25 annodomini [n=lambda@130.189.179.215] has joined #scheme 14:18:29 incubot: That doesn't even have my name in it! 14:18:31 ricky_clarkson: Probably, I don't remember that in SICP, but "selector" sounds the right kind of name :-) 14:19:28 incubot: alas, you retort beggars credulity; turing fail 14:19:31 if beggars were horses, monkeys would fly out of my well. 14:19:40 -!- set2 [n=seth@76-191-139-155.dsl.static.sonic.net] has left #scheme 14:21:14 exexex [n=chatzill@88.235.183.37] has joined #scheme 14:21:18 underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052011.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 14:21:56 incubot: evil 14:21:58 Top level data are evil. Can you be more specific? 14:23:02 aquanaut [n=user@pool-71-191-49-201.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 14:23:11 -!- hotblack231 [n=jh@p5B057B01.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:23:18 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B057B01.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 14:24:02 incubot: Marilyn Monroe 14:24:04 *offby1* ducks 14:24:04 Just reminded me of an incident involving [a book about] Marylin Monroe a few days ago. 14:24:08 -!- exexex [n=chatzill@88.235.183.37] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:24:09 holy *** 14:24:15 that's some database. 14:24:28 exexex [n=chatzill@88.235.183.37] has joined #scheme 14:26:33 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-174-236.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 14:38:15 cemerick [n=la_mer@75.147.38.122] has joined #scheme 14:40:51 -!- higepon578 [n=taro@FL1-122-130-138-220.tky.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:40:58 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B057B01.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:41:01 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B057B01.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 14:43:59 sad0ur [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has joined #scheme 14:51:51 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bbl"] 14:56:12 ejs_ [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #scheme 14:56:16 -!- ejs [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:59:19 rtra [n=rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has joined #scheme 15:00:04 -!- ramkrsna [n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:05:02 incubot: i notice that you always take your interlocutor in good faith; i, however, am descartes' daemon 15:05:04 "Descartes thought that he thought but his dog did not; his dog, however, though otherwise." 15:07:19 minion: tell user____ You may need to install the libgl-devel package for your distro for now. sgl/gl is dlopening a devel name rather than the versioned library name. 15:07:19 user____: what's up? 15:07:28 ah fsck 15:08:01 heh; the tell command is different from sarahbot's, i think 15:09:18 just saw Riastradh using it the other day 15:09:58 minion: memo for user____: You may need to install the libGL-devel package for your distro for now. sgl/gl is dlopening a devel name rather than the versioned library name. 15:09:59 Remembered. I'll tell user____ when he/she/it next speaks. 15:13:49 doesn't freenode also have a MemoServ? 15:14:59 wastrel [n=wastrel@nylug/member/wastrel] has joined #scheme 15:23:01 -!- fschwidom [n=fschwido@dslb-084-059-057-174.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:29:41 npe [n=npe@32.97.110.63] has joined #scheme 15:30:31 Eekdacat [i=Eekdacat@cpe-74-70-20-146.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:34:48 /ms help 15:35:17 procedure application: expected procedure, given: (NUM 3) (no arguments) 15:35:18 what 15:35:45 you wrote (3 ...) somewhere 15:35:54 or its trying to evaluate that somewhere 15:36:07 well.. no args, so (3) 15:36:19 look for an extra pair of braces 15:36:30 problem next to an 'if' 15:36:51 the function takes in 2 lists of size 2, it adds the cdrs of each together 15:36:55 and makes a new list of it 15:37:06 (cons(`NUM (+ cdr(tv1) cdr(tv2)))) 15:37:15 oh wait 15:37:55 i see it 15:38:19 name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has joined #scheme 15:38:40 -!- pchrist [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:40:53 has to be (cons '(NUM) (+ cdr(tv1) cdr(tv2))) but it's still not evaluating the cdr as an s-expression 15:41:23 geckosenator [n=sean@c-24-8-193-190.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:43:57 offby1: you'll be happy to hear that I caught an offby1 bug. 15:44:14 (And not even in PLT but in a respectable unix utility...) 15:45:07 -!- athos [n=philipp@p54B86EB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:46:09 tv1 and tv2 being (NUM 3) and (NUM 5) respectively 15:47:07 Eekdacat: Procedure application is expressed as (procedure argument argument2), not procedure(argument) 15:47:25 eli: cat? 15:47:43 klutometis: pax. 15:48:04 bweaver [n=bweaver@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 15:48:28 [Respectable because it is useful in situations where you really care about the quality of the archives, and pax should be very robust in that area.] 15:48:53 hmm; hadn't heard of pax. thanks 15:49:04 "should be" 15:49:44 the function works ok, it just errors now when evaluating + cdr(tv1) cdr(tv2) 15:50:13 which should work in the test case as + 3 5 15:50:15 klutometis: it's a life saver when you get to these amazingly annoying cases where gnu tar is not the default (eg, creating an archive on linux, and trying to unpack it on solaris). 15:51:54 *offby1* is happy to hear 15:52:27 ha, Solaris can't deal with GNU "tar"? How annoying 15:52:36 And Sun wonders why they've lost market share 15:53:15 -!- exexex [n=chatzill@88.235.183.37] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:53:24 ffx` [n=tits@60-241-74-240.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #scheme 15:53:36 in particular, -v doesn't seem to work on sun utilities; i actually like to see what destructive stuff i'm doing sometimes 15:53:40 They can, but obviously it's in some place where the "real stuff" shadows. 15:53:55 "it's" = "gnu tar is" 15:54:02 +: expects type as 1st argument, given: (3); other arguments were: (5) 15:54:05 ah semantics 15:54:23 Eekdacat: try cadr or apply 15:54:26 That's the real mess -- finding the right path, because every utility has 5 different versions installed in different places. 15:55:05 (+ cdr tv1 cdr tv2) 15:55:27 i can't + (cdr tv1) (cdr tv2) because that returns (3) and (5) 15:55:44 taking car of each would work 15:55:53 but that just leads to the same problem 15:55:54 Eekdacat: so cadr might do the trick; or (apply + (append (cdr tv1) (cdr tv2))) 15:55:56 -!- bweaver [n=bweaver@75.148.111.133] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:56:34 bweaver [n=bweaver@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 15:57:31 |(test_prog) 15:57:31 |(NUM . 8) 15:57:31 (NUM . 8) 15:57:36 that's (NUM 8) right 15:57:42 not quite 15:57:49 oh 15:57:51 (NUM . 8) is a pair; (NUM 8) is a list 15:58:08 well yeah 15:58:16 (NUM 8) = (NUM . 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())) 15:58:26 improper list 15:58:29 sure 15:58:38 a binary one 15:58:59 i.e. pair 16:09:52 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A0733.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:16:36 -!- rtra [n=rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has quit ["off"] 16:19:49 aaco [n=aaco@unaffiliated/aaco] has joined #scheme 16:29:03 replor [n=replor@ntkngw375028.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 16:30:34 -!- schmalbe [n=bernhard@p549A06D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:32:07 CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-75-68-42-94.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:40:53 ahh, i just discovered a bug in PLT 4.1, but it has been fixed in the latest 4.1.3 something :) 16:43:52 drat 16:43:57 hate it when that happens. 16:44:05 rudybot: eval (banner) 16:44:06 offby1: ; Value: "Welcome to MzScheme v4.1.2 [3m], Copyright (c) 2004-2008 PLT Scheme Inc.\n" 16:44:15 leppie: maybe you can make rudybot exercise the bug! 16:47:00 leppie pasted "oink" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/70573 16:47:17 not sure what breaks 16:47:31 but it gets stuck in an infinite loop 16:48:40 not sure how you would feed a top level R6RS program to rudybot 16:49:03 rudybot needs an eval-paste 16:49:30 eval-paste? 16:49:44 eval contents of a pastebin. 16:49:51 yeah, something like rudybot: eval-paste 70573 16:49:55 ahh 16:50:38 offby1: make it so! 16:50:39 i dont think PLT supports R6RS interactively 16:51:00 unless it has some load/as/r6rs/top/level proc 16:51:29 i dont really use it, maybe it does? 16:51:39 *chandler* no idea 16:54:15 -!- ejs_ [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:55:03 -!- maskd [i=maskd@unaffiliated/maskd] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:55:18 can one use the bot in a query? 16:55:25 on irc 16:55:51 -!- Modius [n=Modius@adsl-68-93-132-132.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit ["I'm big in Japan"] 16:56:06 Modius [n=Modius@adsl-68-93-132-132.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 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This is for another part of my Q interface to Chicken. Anyone up for it? 21:00:18 -!- rotty [n=rotty@chello084114192192.1.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit ["leaving"] 21:00:40 rotty [n=rotty@chello084114192192.1.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 21:11:09 incubot: you suck! 21:11:11 well I can see how some embedded cpus suck at division.. 21:11:51 incubot: how is the surrealism in atlanta? 21:11:53 I'm just along for the surrealism. 21:12:11 incubot: stfu! 21:12:13 From what I understand, stfu is Stupid Teen Frenzied Uptakes 21:12:27 incubot: stfu! stfu! stfu! 21:12:29 oh stfu 21:13:16 bashyal [n=bashyal@v-209-98-139-195.mn.visi.com] has joined #scheme 21:14:19 -!- peter_12 [n=peter_12@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [] 21:14:37 -!- npe__ is now known as npe 21:15:32 Arelius [n=Indy@netblock-68-183-230-134.dslextreme.com] has joined #scheme 21:15:50 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 21:18:51 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-174-236.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:20:10 -!- Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:20:25 Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #scheme 21:29:04 -!- iion_tichy [n=Bjoern@e179067141.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #scheme 21:36:51 maskd [i=maskd@unaffiliated/maskd] has joined #scheme 21:45:30 kib2 [n=kib@bd137-1-82-228-159-28.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 21:52:20 -!- vasa [n=vasa@mm-25-90-84-93.dynamic.pppoe.mgts.by] has quit ["I am not vasya, i am vasa"] 21:53:43 -!- gigabytes [n=gigabyte@host137-157-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 21:57:15 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 21:57:42 chandler: actually, "eval-paste" should be easy. 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22:52:23 which one do you recommend? :) I know that LISP is more famous, at least on the college, but I've already worked with Scheme :/ 22:53:36 -!- a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 22:54:36 it's a dialect 22:54:41 a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has joined #scheme 22:54:45 same way ebonics is a dialect of english 22:55:11 didn't get it quite well, I'm not English, never hear of "ebonics" :) 22:55:38 but thanks 22:56:41 geckosenator: so, the other popular dialect is "Common LISP" ? 22:57:23 you might not know about it even if you were english 22:57:30 -!- jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit [Read error: 148 (No route to host)] 22:57:51 same way as american is a dialect of english 22:58:35 so I won't miss anything if I choose Scheme for the "AI thing" ? 22:58:57 for some reason, lisp code confuses me sometimes, and scheme doesn't 22:59:28 ok one more question, DrScheme seems like a fine editor, right? what about these engines, some MitScheme, R5 etc? 22:59:41 just try it 23:00:00 well I did, but I haven't noticed some difference, so I'm asking for your expertise :) 23:00:00 -!- lelf [n=lelf@217.118.90.106] has quit ["used jmIrc"] 23:00:23 If you prefer scheme to CL then it might well be better for you 23:00:28 you know, smart guy learns on his own mistakes, but wise people learn on other's mistakes :) 23:00:33 I'm using emacs 23:01:21 geckosenator: hehe, that is why I'm migrating from vim :) 23:02:01 can't get used to the move keys... anyway, it is just a question of time and practice 23:02:13 yeah 23:02:14 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 23:02:16 thank you both, Jarvellis, geckosenator, have a nice day 23:02:40 see you here again, I hope so :) 23:02:56 You too misreckoning 23:08:27 -!- misreckoning [n=toroman@79.101.245.164] has left #scheme 23:11:57 -!- Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:12:22 Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #scheme 23:13:28 -!- bashyal [n=bashyal@v-209-98-139-195.mn.visi.com] has quit [] 23:13:45 error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 23:15:04 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:24:28 -!- a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has quit ["the young soldier fart his brother looked at each other, fart both knew that with love, fart truth, fart courage both would e] 23:29:04 a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has joined #scheme 23:29:18 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:33:45 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:34:53 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-68-12.dyn.mit.edu] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 23:35:29 -!- mejja [n=user@c-4db6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:37:34 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-229-68.dsl.look.ca] has quit [] 23:40:59 hmm 23:41:08 (define (get-var-name VarEntry) 23:41:08 (car VarEntry) ) doesn't seem to test right 23:42:00 (get-var-name (a (INT 3))) as a test 23:45:01 (get-var-name '(a (INT 3))) 23:46:00 minion: advice for Eekdacat 23:46:01 Eekdacat: #11915: Only Sherlock Holmes can debug the program by pure deduction from the output. You are not Sherlock Holmes. Run the fucking debugger already. 23:46:45 it's part of another procedure 23:47:44 orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFE33F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 23:48:55 hey sladegen 23:49:10 if 'a' is not a procedure you are commiting a syntax error. 23:49:15 duncanm: ey 23:49:16 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:49:47 sladegen: how goes? hacking on anything lately? 23:49:54 php 23:50:04 sladegen: oh, what about? 23:50:16 sladegen: not working on scheme anymore? 23:50:48 nothing exciting... scraping data from mysql and putting it into html... what else can php be used for ;?) 23:51:05 sladegen: you should come back and hack on scsh! 23:51:24 gotta feed myself. 23:51:29 ah 23:52:51 but if i get angry enough about speed of installing stuff on my slackware i might hack on commander-s to make it usable for casual shelling. 23:53:19 sladegen: i started a little something about that called scshi 23:53:29 sladegen: well, me and dlouhy 23:53:49 sladegen: http://git.a-chinaman.com/commits.rhtml/Scheme/scshi 23:56:40 -!- ventonegro [i=alex@189-95-143-29.3g.claro.net.br] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 23:57:20 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B054439.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:59:34 -!- Mr_SpOOn [n=Mr_SpOOn@89-97-102-218.ip17.fastwebnet.it] has quit ["Lost terminal"]