":BW^-!i=Miranda@94.191.174.214.bredband.tre.se PRIVMSG #scheme :johnnyl: i know there's a guy who uses Chicken for this currently" ":BW^-!i=Miranda@94.191.174.214.bredband.tre.se PRIVMSG #scheme :also someone is writing a Nintendo DS game in Gambit" ":name!n=name@sburn/devel/name QUIT :\"Lost terminal\"" ":sctb!n=sebell@S01060016cbc2d41a.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#scheme" ":ccl-logbot!n=ccl-logb@master.clozure.com JOIN :#scheme" ":kubrick.freenode.net 333 ccl-logbot #scheme chandler 1222365730" ":kubrick.freenode.net 353 ccl-logbot = #scheme :ccl-logbot sctb bpt attila_lendvai raikov moonfart BW^- Wardje Poeir gweiqi kniu synthasee Daemmerung JohnnyL bombshelter13 arcfide MichaelRaskin_ ggbbgg tizoc Modius error_developer_ tltstc` sm benny ug cracki schme_ melito Cale kilimanjaro Adamant z0d hiyuh underspecified foof pchrist tjafk2 eno synx grnman offby1 vkm Kinks nicholasw REPLeffect jeremiah elf ski_ ricky mornfall specbot kazzmir_ dfeuer certainty|work Mr_Awesome samth Debolaz " ":kubrick.freenode.net 353 ccl-logbot = #scheme :pitui bsmntbombdood pjdelport mmc1 aquanaut pchrist|univ mbishop araujo levi sjamaan Kusanagi sladegen tarbo CaptainMorgan proq aspect a-s jdev nowhere_man seth keyofnight saccade merlincorey tessier ttmrichter p1dzkl cky elias` sphex xz felipe ineiros rudybot_ rdd tabe Khisanth Axioplase_ duncanm pfo_ borism r0bby travis|away bascule tltstc ctsprsrcl viocizgd djjack_ Elly nasloc__ agemo rmrfchik minion Riastradh dlouhy leppie Leonidas " ":kubrick.freenode.net 353 ccl-logbot = #scheme :Paraselene_ gnomon qebab emma Arelius vincenz Deformative pbusser2 j4cbo chandler xian michaelw XTL Adrinael klutometis clog bunz mqt lisppaste zbigniew ski maskd eli kalven heat " ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :I have a problem understanding how people roll out scheme applications..." ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :Or if \"application\" makes sense at all in scheme..." ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :It does not make sense in the most generic incarnation of Scheme." ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :It does make sense in the context of a particular implementation." ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :BW^-: howdy." ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :so... say you're dealing with an implementation like 48..." ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :s48..." ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :would you save out an image and call that an application? What exactly is an \"image\" anyway?" ":raikov`!n=igr@203.181.243.11 JOIN :#scheme" ":sctb!n=sebell@S01060016cbc2d41a.cg.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #scheme :keyofnight: I might describe this poorly, but an `image' would be the code and program state of a Scheme that supported the concept. You would use a VM to load an image, giving you a running system." ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :that's pretty cool. (:" ":sctb!n=sebell@S01060016cbc2d41a.cg.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #scheme :In the case of Scheme48, I think you might write a shell script to invoke the VM to load your saved image, and call some specified procedure as the entrypoint to your `application'" ":sctb!n=sebell@S01060016cbc2d41a.cg.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #scheme :The regular s48 repl does that, in fact" ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :So that's what a scheme is? A few functions written in some low-level language, and an \"image\" of the rest of the language?" ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :The rest of the implementation, I mean?" ":sctb!n=sebell@S01060016cbc2d41a.cg.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #scheme :No, not generally" ":Cale!n=Cale@CPE001c10c70239-CM000e5cdd834a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":subversus!i=elliot@loveturtle.net JOIN :#scheme" ":sctb!n=sebell@S01060016cbc2d41a.cg.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #scheme :Scheme refers to the language itself, not the implementation" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-208-195.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #scheme :keyofnight: Different implementations have different ways of rolling out applications. Some document their methods fairly thoroughly." ":raikov!n=igr@203.181.243.11 QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-208-195.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #scheme :keyofnight: Common among them all is a runtime library -- though some embed this in the executable." ":arcfide!n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-208-195.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #scheme :keyofnight: As for what makes up an implementation, or rather, how Scheme is implemented, that differs almost as widely as do implementations." ":arcfide!n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-208-195.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #scheme :keyofnight: Some Schemes are, I believe, written entirely in other languages. I think most have some set of primitives that are defined in another language, and then the rest of the system is written in Scheme." ":arcfide!n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-208-195.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #scheme :Many implementations are written almost entirely in Scheme." ":raikov`!n=igr@203.181.243.11 QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :keyofnight: There is not much commonality to speak of here, though I would be surprised if there was a true Scheme where at least one function was not written in Scheme" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :How that works in practice varies wildly." ":BW^-!i=Miranda@94.191.174.214.bredband.tre.se PRIVMSG #scheme :do you know who Nathan Tern is?" ":BW^-!i=Miranda@94.191.174.214.bredband.tre.se PRIVMSG #scheme :apparently he made cygwin ports for many scheme implementations" ":hiyuh!n=hiyuh@KD125054017176.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp QUIT :\"|_ e /\\ \\/ i |/| G\"" ":melito!n=melito@70.99.250.82 QUIT :\"Leaving...\"" ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :mmm." ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :That's interesting." ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :A friend of mine gave me the idea of writing a scheme implementation... to learn." ":AtnNn!n=welcome@modemcable230.56-56-74.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#scheme" ":BW^-!i=Miranda@94.191.174.214.bredband.tre.se PRIVMSG #scheme :keyofknight: good idea. good luck!" ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :I think that's a very ambitious project, and I think that my friend is just an ambitious person." ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :BW^-: I once got pscheme mail from him. Though I doubt he was porting it to cygwin!" ":BW^-!i=Miranda@94.191.174.214.bredband.tre.se PRIVMSG #scheme :aha?" ":BW^-!i=Miranda@94.191.174.214.bredband.tre.se PRIVMSG #scheme :pscheem?" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :(A Scheme of mine that runs on PDAs and Smartphones.)" ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :Awesome. (:" ":BW^-!i=Miranda@94.191.174.214.bredband.tre.se PRIVMSG #scheme :aha" ":BW^-!i=Miranda@94.191.174.214.bredband.tre.se PRIVMSG #scheme :keyofnight: making a scheme yourself is an experience of a lifetime, or how you call it" ":BW^-!i=Miranda@94.191.174.214.bredband.tre.se PRIVMSG #scheme :i didn't, but i wrote an operating system model" ":BW^-!i=Miranda@94.191.174.214.bredband.tre.se PRIVMSG #scheme :you will always be proud of yourself, with good reason" ":BW^-!i=Miranda@94.191.174.214.bredband.tre.se PRIVMSG #scheme :and you'll see how simple it is" ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :Awesome. (:" ":BW^-!i=Miranda@94.191.174.214.bredband.tre.se PRIVMSG #scheme :it's about bringing you to another level" ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :I could write the primitives in C... and then start implementing the core..." ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :but I barely even know the language. (;" ":BW^-!i=Miranda@94.191.174.214.bredband.tre.se PRIVMSG #scheme :right!" ":aspect!i=aspect@burns.dreamhost.com PRIVMSG #scheme :good way to learn it :)" ":BW^-!i=Miranda@94.191.174.214.bredband.tre.se PRIVMSG #scheme :so what are you waiting for, you already know enough. :)" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :Wow. Worst Scheme implementation name ever: http://armpit.sourceforge.net/index.html" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :But, it appears to be neat. No bignums, but it *does* appear to have full call/cc in a tiny-embeddable implementation." ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION resolves to create \"Stalin's Armpit\"" ":hemulen!n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com JOIN :#scheme" ":sctb!n=sebell@S01060016cbc2d41a.cg.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #scheme :Do Chickens have armpits?" ":Cale!n=Cale@CPE001c10c70239-CM000e5cdd834a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#scheme" ":Adamant!n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant PRIVMSG #scheme :eh" ":Adamant!n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant PRIVMSG #scheme :a full Scheme on a decent sized ARM is not all that impressive" ":Adamant!n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant PRIVMSG #scheme :at least not more than a full Scheme on a regular arch" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-208-195.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #scheme :leppie: You here?" ":Adamant!n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant PRIVMSG #scheme :now if you could do a Scheme on an AVR or PIC, that would be quite impressive" ":annodomini!n=lambda@c-75-69-95-99.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#scheme" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :Adamant: these are not \"decent sized\" ARMs, but rather small systems that compete with high-end 8-bits" ":Adamant!n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant PRIVMSG #scheme :ah" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :And he wrote the damned thing in ARM asm." ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION is impressed" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :ARM asm is not unpleasant to work in. The ability to make almost anything a conditional is nice." ":Adamant!n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant PRIVMSG #scheme :ARM asm is impressive" ":echo-area!n=user@cmdev1.test.cnz.alimama.com JOIN :#scheme" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :It's a sweet asm. But writing a Scheme in it is still a laudable feat." ":ug!n=merlin@67.159.169.138 QUIT :\"leaving\"" ":jonrafkind!n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net JOIN :#scheme" ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION giggles." ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :armpit." ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :I am just waiting for someone to come here and ask for an implementation for an ARM microcontroller" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme : newuser: I think you should look at armpit" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :-!- newuser has left [well, if you're just going to insult me]" ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :man. I totally don't have experience in anything. lol" ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :I guess this is what they warned me about when coming out of college." ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :keyofnight: if you do your job right, in twenty-five years you'll still have that same clueless feeling." ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :What did I do wrong?" ":wastrel!n=wastrel@nylug/member/wastrel JOIN :#scheme" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :Interesting that armpit works on a Luminary processor. I thought those were Thumb-2 only." ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :Oh, it probably works due to source-level compatibility in the assembler." ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :Daemmerung: you know... I think you're right about that. If I lose this feeling, I might become as egotistical, complacent, and foolish as some people I know." ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :It's just a really nervous position to be in." ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :chandler: luminary processor?" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :keyofnight: http://www.luminarymicro.com/" ":echo-area!n=user@cmdev1.test.cnz.alimama.com QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :ARM Cortex-M3, which is a Thumb-2 only processor" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :it is ARM's attempt at killing most of the 8-bit midrange." ":gnomon!n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #scheme :Adamant, speaking of Scheme on PIC microcontrollers, have you looked at Feeley's PicoBIT and PICBIT systems?" ":gnomon!n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #scheme :Guess what hardware they target?" ":Adamant!n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant PRIVMSG #scheme :gnomon: AVR? (I wish)" ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :Think I can get a sample? lol" ":Adamant!n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant PRIVMSG #scheme :I will have to look at those." ":gnomon!n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #scheme :chandler, did you catch the news about ARM trying to push the Cortex A8s and A9s into the netbook space/" ":Adamant!n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant PRIVMSG #scheme :I realize people did the whole 8-bit Lisp thing in the 80's on micros" ":gnomon!n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #scheme :?" ":gnomon!n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #scheme :I would cheerfully melt down a busful of nuns to get my hands on a portable A9 machine running Debian." ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :gnomon: Yes, I did. I am very interested in that." ":mbishop!n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop PRIVMSG #scheme :Wirth's latest compiler (for Oberon-07, the latest 'version' of Oberon) is for ARM, has a nice paper showing the asm code certain Oberon code produces" ":gnomon!n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #scheme :Neat! Got a link to that paper?" ":mbishop!n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop PRIVMSG #scheme :gnomon: http://www.inf.ethz.ch/personal/wirth/Articles/Oberon/Oberon.ARM.Compiler.pdf" ":rudybot_!n=luser@li11-10.members.linode.com NOTICE #scheme :http://tinyurl.com/5fqzl8" ":gnomon!n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #scheme :Thanks, mbishop!" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :(Gosh, Oberon still exists?)" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :Yes, and I think work on Native Oberon is still ongoing." ":mbishop!n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop PRIVMSG #scheme :Not only still exists, but Wirth still works on it heh" ":mbishop!n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop PRIVMSG #scheme :The 07 stands for 2007" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :(Gosh, Wirth still exists?)" ":mbishop!n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop PRIVMSG #scheme :Indeed" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :Your questions are not adding much of... eh, I won't bother" ":mbishop!n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop PRIVMSG #scheme :chandler: yeah, the system is no longer called Oberon though. It changed to Bluebottle, and now they call it \"A2\"" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :mbishop: yes, but I did not remember the name :-)" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-208-195.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #scheme :Wow..." ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :(Gosh, I still exist?)" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-208-195.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #scheme :Oberon...that brings back memories." ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :wow. Oberon is such an... old looking language." ":hiyuh!n=hiyuh@ZQ062141.ppp.dion.ne.jp JOIN :#scheme" ":vorpal!n=rhunter@pdpc/supporter/student/vorpal JOIN :#Scheme" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :keyofnight: What? Let me put a little more fresh paint on this Pascal^H^H^H^H^H^Htotally new programming language. Better?" ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :(;" ":mbishop!n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop PRIVMSG #scheme :arcfide: what kind of memories?" ":mbishop!n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop PRIVMSG #scheme :Oberon is indeed pascal, only with less crap" ":mbishop!n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop PRIVMSG #scheme :and amazingly, the crap it lost makes it better heh" ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :pascal is a language I kinda... skipped over. (:" ":mbishop!n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop PRIVMSG #scheme :Common Lisp is to Scheme as Pascal is to Oberon (well, sort of)" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :Does Oberon at least have arrays of length not statically fixed?" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :mbishop: That analogy would work better if I thought less of Comon Lisp, or more of Pascal." ":mbishop!n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop PRIVMSG #scheme :Riastradh: yes" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :\"Common\"" ":mbishop!n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop PRIVMSG #scheme :they call them \"open arrays\"" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :`Better' in the sense that a stick in the eye is better than a barbed spear in the eye, perhaps." ":wasabi_!n=wasabi@p4132-ipbfp04kyoto.kyoto.ocn.ne.jp JOIN :#scheme" ":saccade_!n=saccade@209-6-23-56.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#scheme" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :Or to faint with damn praise, \"At least it's not C\"." ":mbishop!n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop PRIVMSG #scheme :indeed" ":sctb!n=sebell@S01060016cbc2d41a.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":raikov!n=igr@203.181.243.11 JOIN :#scheme" ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :(:" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :When Wirth is gone Oberon will be wirthless." ":Adamant!n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant PRIVMSG #scheme :no" ":Adamant!n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant PRIVMSG #scheme :you can still call it by name OR value!" ":Adamant!n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant PRIVMSG #scheme :har" ":GreyLensman!n=ray@c-76-108-235-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#scheme" ":GreyLensman!n=ray@c-76-108-235-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PART #scheme :" ":dfeuer!n=dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer QUIT :\"Goin' away\"" ":attila_lendvai!n=ati@catv-89-133-170-239.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-208-195.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #scheme :mbishop: Oberon and Native Oberon were the first \"Alternative OSes\" that I used." ":dfeuer!n=dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer JOIN :#scheme" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-208-195.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #scheme :Well, at least, one of the first." ":antoszka!n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka JOIN :#scheme" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :My first was called Windows. I tried it for about a year once in college." ":pitui!n=pitui@doh.research.att.com QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":mbishop!n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop PRIVMSG #scheme :foof: did you ever get over it?" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION twitches" ":mbishop!n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION backs away" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :I remember something about making MS Access databases..." ":jonrafkind!n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #scheme :I remember something about DOS" ":tltstc`!n=nine@192.207.69.1 QUIT :" ":yome!n=guillaum@bas4-montreal28-1279577780.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#scheme" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :So, um, how's my practicality looking, yome?" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :?" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :Practicality for employment?" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :The other day yome walked in here requesting that I be practical. I've yet to figure it out." ":yome!n=guillaum@bas4-montreal28-1279577780.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #scheme :Riastradh, oh, it was about your post on the Gambit mailing-list regarding using C casts instead of using inexact->exact." ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :Gambit is so hideous it's painful :(" ":yome!n=guillaum@bas4-montreal28-1279577780.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #scheme :foof, yes. The sources. But the resulting implementation is quite nice." ":yome!n=guillaum@bas4-montreal28-1279577780.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #scheme :It's so badly missing a real module system, though." ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :The initial snow proposal, as I recall, was a joke, but Feeley seemed" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :to be improving things. Did it never evolve into a real module system?" ":yome!n=guillaum@bas4-montreal28-1279577780.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #scheme :I don't think it has." ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :(offtopic: I can never get over the fact that in Japanese the words for \"science\" and \"chemistry\" are homophones)" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION whistles out the window to tell the dorm cat it's feeding time" ":duncanm!n=duncan@a-chinaman.com PRIVMSG #scheme :Riastradh: ping?" ":duncanm!n=duncan@a-chinaman.com PRIVMSG #scheme :anyone familiar with enum-sets and finite-types in scheme48?" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-208-195.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #scheme :Whoopie! My CVS repo is now on a remote server." ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :What do you want to know?" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :(CVS...?)" ":JohnnyL!i=JohnnyL@ool-182ddad4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #scheme :BW^- thanks" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-208-195.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #scheme :Riastradh: I know, I know. :-)" ":JohnnyL!i=JohnnyL@ool-182ddad4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #scheme :Daemmerung the Scheme interpreter (ARMpit) right?" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-208-195.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #scheme :I've been using CVS to track my sources lately instead of Darcs and the like." ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :...why...?" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-208-195.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION shrugs." ":arcfide!n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-208-195.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #scheme :Honestly, because it's in the Base installation." ":arcfide!n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-208-195.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #scheme :It doesn't have any strong rationale, but since it doesn't harm my productivity any, I'm okay." ":duncanm!n=duncan@a-chinaman.com PRIVMSG #scheme :Riastradh: i'm having trouble making new instance of finite-types, when i put the type definition in a structure" ":gweiqi!n=greg@69.120.126.163 PART #scheme :" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :duncanm, please be more specific." ":yome!n=guillaum@bas4-montreal28-1279577780.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #scheme :I like the automatic backup aspect of using CVS with a remote server." ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :You can get the same automatic backup aspect with any other revision control system you want, with no more (or perhaps with less) effort than with CVS." ":bombshelter13!n=bombshel@209-161-229-68.dsl.look.ca QUIT :\"Where is the glory in complying with demands?\"" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-208-195.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #scheme :CVS is an old, funky system with lots of limitations and strange gotchas; I like it. :-)" ":eno!n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":lisppaste!n=lisppast@208.72.159.207 PRIVMSG #scheme :duncanm pasted \"enum-sets and finite-types\" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/69483" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :You didn't export FOO as syntax, duncanm." ":eno!n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno JOIN :#scheme" ":duncanm!n=duncan@a-chinaman.com PRIVMSG #scheme :ah" ":duncanm!n=duncan@a-chinaman.com PRIVMSG #scheme :i get it" ":raikov!n=igr@203.181.243.11 QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)" ":grettke!n=grettke@CPE-65-31-132-59.wi.res.rr.com JOIN :#scheme" ":bashyal!n=bashyal@208.42.136.59 JOIN :#scheme" ":grettke!n=grettke@CPE-65-31-132-59.wi.res.rr.com QUIT :" ":grettke!n=grettke@CPE-65-31-132-59.wi.res.rr.com JOIN :#scheme" ":grettke!n=grettke@CPE-65-31-132-59.wi.res.rr.com QUIT :Client Quit" ":xz!n=ramana@c-98-228-42-177.hsd1.in.comcast.net PRIVMSG #scheme :Base of what? OpenBSD?" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-208-195.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #scheme :xz: yes." ":Elly!n=pyxy@PHYREXIA.RES.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #scheme :darcs :D" ":sh10151!n=user@cpe-76-181-82-14.columbus.res.rr.com JOIN :#scheme" ":sh10151!n=user@cpe-76-181-82-14.columbus.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #scheme :htmlprag: when will it be fixed? :)" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :sh10151: What's the problem?" ":bashyal!n=bashyal@208.42.136.59 QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":sh10151!n=user@cpe-76-181-82-14.columbus.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #scheme :foof: doesn't run in PLT 4" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :Should be easy to fix." ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :aha" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :There are two uses of SET-CDR!" ":Daemmeru`!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 JOIN :#scheme" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :... and they're used to build the returned sxml representation :/" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :So I take that back, it's not easy to fix." ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :It involves a core change to the logic of how htmlprag builds the result." ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :A hack solution would internally use mutable pairs, and convert them" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :to immutable pairs once on output." ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :This is a common Lisp optimization, and one not mentioned in:" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :http://blog.plt-scheme.org/2007/11/getting-rid-of-set-car-and-set-cdr.html" ":sh10151!n=user@cpe-76-181-82-14.columbus.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #scheme :I think Neil has been wanting to rewrite it for a while" ":sh10151!n=user@cpe-76-181-82-14.columbus.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #scheme :it was the first thing he wrote, I think" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :My HTML parser is better anyway :P" ":rdd!n=user@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":travis|away!n=f00bar@CPE-69-76-71-141.wi.res.rr.com NICK :travisbemann" ":sh10151!n=user@cpe-76-181-82-14.columbus.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #scheme :what is it?" ":JohnnyL!i=JohnnyL@ool-182ddad4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :Oh, heh, it's not on my site :)" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :A lot of my best code isn't :)" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :It was available as a Common-Scheme package." ":peter_12!n=peter_12@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net JOIN :#scheme" ":underspecified!n=eric@softbank220043052011.bbtec.net QUIT :" ":sladegen!n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen QUIT :Nick collision from services." ":sladegen!n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen JOIN :#scheme" ":errordeveloper!n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#scheme" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-208-195.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION sleeps." ":AtnNn!n=welcome@modemcable230.56-56-74.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :\"strawberries\"" ":yome!n=guillaum@bas4-montreal28-1279577780.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :\"Ex-Chat\"" ":benny!n=benny@i577A0084.versanet.de QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":error_developer_!n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":annodomini!n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda QUIT :" ":saccade_!n=saccade@209-6-23-56.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :\"This computer has gone to sleep\"" ":wastrel!n=wastrel@nylug/member/wastrel QUIT :\"bedtime\"" ":tjafk2!n=timj@e176194253.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":tjafk2!n=timj@e176221057.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#scheme" ":kilimanjaro!n=kilimanj@70.116.95.163 QUIT :\"Connection reset by beer\"" ":Daemmeru`!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 NICK :Daemmerung" ":cky_!n=cky@203-211-92-114.ue.woosh.co.nz JOIN :#scheme" ":araujo!n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo QUIT :\"Leaving\"" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp QUIT :\"ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)\"" ":pchrist_!n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist JOIN :#scheme" ":kniu!n=kniu@CMU-301252.WV.CC.CMU.EDU QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":pchrist!n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)" ":kniu!n=kniu@LEMON.RES.CMU.EDU JOIN :#scheme" ":foof!n=user@clair12.naist.jp JOIN :#scheme" ":cky!n=cky@202-74-219-83.ue.woosh.co.nz QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":melito!n=melito@c-24-16-193-208.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#scheme" ":wasabi_!n=wasabi@p4132-ipbfp04kyoto.kyoto.ocn.ne.jp QUIT :\"Leaving...\"" ":sh10151!n=user@cpe-76-181-82-14.columbus.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":kniu!n=kniu@LEMON.RES.CMU.EDU QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":kniu!n=kniu@LEMON.RES.CMU.EDU JOIN :#scheme" ":cky_!n=cky@203-211-92-114.ue.woosh.co.nz NICK :cky" ":incubot!n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com JOIN :#scheme" ":klutometis!i=klutomet@pdpc/supporter/active/klutometis PRIVMSG #scheme :incubot: (+ 2 2)" ":incubot!n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com PRIVMSG #scheme :4" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :how bots do we have here? :p" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :how many" ":klutometis!i=klutomet@pdpc/supporter/active/klutometis PRIVMSG #scheme :we had zero chicken bots; now there's one" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :incubot: (cluck)" ":incubot!n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com PRIVMSG #scheme :Error: unbound variable: cluck" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme ::)" ":klutometis!i=klutomet@pdpc/supporter/active/klutometis PRIVMSG #scheme :heh" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :klutometis, before bringing a bot into the channel, please (in general) OK it with the operators. What does `incubot' do?" ":incubot!n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com PRIVMSG #scheme :Error: unbound variable: klutometis" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :i have gotten to writing the connection bit for an IRonSCheme bot" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :LOLOL" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :So far it appears to respond in bizarre ways to any message with the text `incubot' in it." ":incubot!n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com PRIVMSG #scheme :Bshift & breset have very bizarre semantics that defeat the purpose of composable or partial continuations in the first place." ":Adamant!n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant PRIVMSG #scheme :incubot: tell incubot incubot" ":incubot!n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com PRIVMSG #scheme :I will tell my friend you said I am philosophy of life IS eval lambda x Snakes on a Plane Sarahbot what. Ummm......What were we talking about again?" ":klutometis!i=klutomet@pdpc/supporter/active/klutometis PRIVMSG #scheme :Riastradh: oh, sorry; i asked you about it the other day, and didn't get an explicit negative" ":incubot!n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":klutometis!i=klutomet@pdpc/supporter/active/klutometis PRIVMSG #scheme :killed it" ":klutometis!i=klutomet@pdpc/supporter/active/klutometis PRIVMSG #scheme :sorry to take that for an implicit positive" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :klutometis, sorry, I don't remember that; can you refresh my memory?" ":klutometis!i=klutomet@pdpc/supporter/active/klutometis PRIVMSG #scheme :it's a chicken repl with a four year log of #scheme convos indexed by words greater than three letters" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :It should speak, if ever, only when addressed." ":klutometis!i=klutomet@pdpc/supporter/active/klutometis PRIVMSG #scheme :Riastradh: indeed; I'll convert that to a \"^incubot:\"" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :An (inc incubot)." ":foof!n=user@clair12.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :\"^incubot[:,>]\"" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :...hm, that's usually the SUCC procedure. And why not a succubot?" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :Did I respond to your inquiry, klutometis? I have no recollection of it -- which could be the failure of my memory." ":klutometis!i=klutomet@pdpc/supporter/active/klutometis PRIVMSG #scheme :Daemmerung: good point; there's a subtle pun with incubus and incubation (eggs, etc.)" ":foof!n=user@clair12.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :Time stands still while you and the succubot lie in each other's arms." ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :I feel experienced!" ":klutometis!i=klutomet@pdpc/supporter/active/klutometis PRIVMSG #scheme :Riastradh: you waxed nostalgic about #scheme-repl, and went to bed." ":wasabi_!n=wasabi@p4132-ipbfp04kyoto.kyoto.ocn.ne.jp JOIN :#scheme" ":luhar!i=3ba24401@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-39fa3756620fb127 JOIN :#scheme" ":incubot!n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com JOIN :#scheme" ":MichaelRaskin_!n=raskin@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru QUIT :\"Leaving.\"" ":peter_12!n=peter_12@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net QUIT :" ":brandelune!n=JC@pl044.nas933.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp JOIN :#scheme" ":automejja!n=edwin@c-7d2472d5.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#scheme" ":hadronzoo!n=hadronzo@ppp-70-247-170-199.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#scheme" ":dfeuer!n=dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)" ":pchrist_!n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist QUIT :\"leaving\"" ":pchrist!n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist JOIN :#scheme" ":kniu!n=kniu@LEMON.RES.CMU.EDU QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":kniu!n=kniu@CMU-301252.WV.CC.CMU.EDU JOIN :#scheme" ":puchacz!n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#scheme" ":incubot!n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":incubot!n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com JOIN :#scheme" ":klutometis!i=klutomet@pdpc/supporter/active/klutometis PRIVMSG #scheme :let incubot naught speak lest spoken to" ":foof!n=user@clair12.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :incubot: ciao!" ":klutometis!i=klutomet@pdpc/supporter/active/klutometis PRIVMSG #scheme :incubot: speak, however, when spoken to" ":klutometis!i=klutomet@pdpc/supporter/active/klutometis PRIVMSG #scheme :okay; back to the drawing board" ":incubot!n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A PRIVMSG #scheme :sigh... graphics is hard" ":Kinks!n=Kinks@uc087.housing.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :synx: #t dat." ":foof!n=user@clair12.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION goes shopping" ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A PRIVMSG #scheme :One of my projects is to show the difference between an old byte array and a new one, via colored squares, letting you click on them to change the new array." ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A PRIVMSG #scheme :displaying that difference was pretty easy. But \"letting you click on them\" is danged hard." ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :What's giving you grief?" ":Kinks!n=Kinks@uc087.housing.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#Scheme" ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A PRIVMSG #scheme :converting mouse coordinates to canvas coordinates, mostly. I think it's necessary to manually check the values of the scrollbars, unless I'm mistaken." ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A PRIVMSG #scheme :Also somewhat concerned I might kill X by allocating 4-pixel squares for 4 million bytes. Need zooming or something..." ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :I don't think I've ever had a project with scrollbars that didn't give me a headache." ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :I don't know X, but generally, mouse coords are going to be window-relative, not canvas-relative." ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :(assuming that your canvas is the scrollable entity)" ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A PRIVMSG #scheme :I'd do without the scrollbars, but I know I won't be able to fit more than 300K pixels on the screen that way." ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :Not saying you should bag the scrollbars. Just sympathizing." ":Kusanagi!n=Motoko@unaffiliated/kusanagi QUIT :" ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A PRIVMSG #scheme :thanks" ":kniu!n=kniu@CMU-301252.WV.CC.CMU.EDU QUIT :Connection timed out" ":Kusanagi!n=Motoko@unaffiliated/kusanagi JOIN :#scheme" ":ttmrichter!n=ttmricht@119.96.9.0 QUIT :Connection timed out" ":papermachine!n=ahoman@61.152.106.169 JOIN :#scheme" ":zbigniew_!n=zb@3e8.org JOIN :#scheme" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :foof: if you're still in old Nippon, I need a favor. I need you to take a train to Tokyo, find whoever was broadcasting \"Tokyoninja\" from his employer's attic, and convince him to get his ShoutCast channel back on the air. It was a marvelous thing, more so now that I don't have it." ":foof!n=user@clair12.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :Will you pay for the $300 round trip train fare?" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :I will pay you in lovingly fedexed baked goods. Probably cost me close to that you get it to you semi-fresh." ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :(unless you dig rye, in which case I can send it via transPacific container vessel)" ":foof!n=user@clair12.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :Actually, I have something of a baked goods dilemma." ":foof!n=user@clair12.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :There is only one English muffin producer in the Japanese Isles," ":foof!n=user@clair12.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :and they recently decided to start advertising on TV." ":leppie_work!n=DKK@196.211.225.67 JOIN :#scheme" ":foof!n=user@clair12.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :The result is muffins are now perpetually sold out." ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :Hm. Engleesh muffins are pretty far from my domain of expertise. But I do know that they freeze well, since they're 1) loaded with fat, and 2) always re-baked (\"toasted\"). So if you ever do score some, buy as many as you can and stuff them all in the freezer." ":tizoc_!n=user@r190-135-18-204.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy JOIN :#scheme" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :More of a lean-dough/pain au levain/whole-wheat (\"pain complet\") guy myself." ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :That, and Vollkornbrot." ":zbigniew!n=zb@3e8.org QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":foof!n=user@clair12.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :I tend to prefer French breads, but sourdough is also hard to come by" ":foof!n=user@clair12.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :here." ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A PRIVMSG #scheme :Analyzing binary data is kind of fascinating. It's byte-aligned but..." ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A PRIVMSG #scheme :ROM dumps specifically." ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A PRIVMSG #scheme :I need to record two, both which should be identical, and then mark their differences as to be ignored. Then making a significant change, the only difference left over should be what changed." ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A PRIVMSG #scheme :A 3-stage difference algorithm like that I've never seen before... It's like initial, same, different. Maybe with set operations..." ":MichaelRaskin!n=MichaelR@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net JOIN :#scheme" ":leppie_work!n=DKK@196.211.225.67 PRIVMSG #scheme :synx: like xdelta?" ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A PRIVMSG #scheme :Yeah, but... I don't know that file format." ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A PRIVMSG #scheme :That's really only for a 2-stage diff anyway. I guess what I'm thinking could emerge from that." ":leppie_work!n=DKK@196.211.225.67 PRIVMSG #scheme :i know there has been several versions of that, i read through it some (5 or so) years, wass interesting" ":tizoc!n=user@r190-135-68-185.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":araujo!n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo JOIN :#scheme" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":ecraven!n=nex@140.78.42.104 JOIN :#scheme" ":elmex!n=elmex@e180066111.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#scheme" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 JOIN :#scheme" ":attila_lendvai!n=ati@catv-89-133-170-239.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#scheme" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :foof: it surprises me that you can't find sourdough. The Japanese have wrought havoc in recent World" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme : Cup baking competitions. Maybe that's a Tokyo thing, or else just a few obsessed folks whose work doesn't reflect" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme : elsewhere." ":synthasee!n=synthase@68.63.20.12 QUIT :Connection timed out" ":cracki!n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE QUIT :\"The funniest things in my life are truth and absurdity.\"" ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :I'm confused..." ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :...but hungry." ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":Adamant!n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant PRIVMSG #scheme :Daemmerung: the Japanese wrecked havoc in 60's volleyball. I've never heard of volleyball being particularly popular in Japan." ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A JOIN :#scheme" ":rdd!n=rdd@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#scheme" ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A PRIVMSG #scheme :hmm... I could get multiple \"identical\" save states, and eliminate all their differences..." ":fschwidom!n=fschwido@dslb-088-068-098-079.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#scheme" ":puchacz!n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk QUIT :\"Konversation terminated!\"" ":geckosenator!n=sean@c-24-8-193-190.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#scheme" ":rdd!n=rdd@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":rdd!n=rdd@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#scheme" ":schumaml!i=c19b5f04@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3f06295b8c82f327 JOIN :#scheme" ":foof!n=user@clair12.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :Why does SVN add .so files by default?" ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A PRIVMSG #scheme :no clue" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :foof: You can add an .svnignore on .so files" ":foof!n=user@clair12.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :Sure, I'm talking about the default behavior though." ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A PRIVMSG #scheme :(define (call-with-input-files proc . files) whimper...)" ":foof!n=user@clair12.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :That's more or less #1 on the list of extensions not to include." ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :foof: And .exe, .com, .obj, ..." ":foof!n=user@clair12.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :sure" ":foof!n=user@clair12.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :My personal ignore list should be limited to .[ch] ;)" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme ::)" ":benny!n=benny@i577A0DC7.versanet.de JOIN :#scheme" ":melito!n=melito@c-24-16-193-208.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :\"Leaving...\"" ":leppie_work!n=DKK@196.211.225.67 PRIVMSG #scheme :mine includes .vb* .htm* .php .java .js .delphi :)" ":leppie_work!n=DKK@196.211.225.67 PRIVMSG #scheme :talking about delphi, ohloh detects scheme as pascal..." ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :It doesn't" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :Maybe you have something funky in your source that causes it to do so" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :My code all gets detected correctly" ":leppie_work!n=DKK@196.211.225.67 PRIVMSG #scheme :well maybe it does not like .ss or .sls extensions" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :oh" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION uses .scm" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :You can ask them" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :#ohloh is pretty friendly" ":leppie_work!n=DKK@196.211.225.67 PRIVMSG #scheme :ahh ok" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :(can take a while before you get a reply, but eventually you will)" ":leppie_work!n=DKK@196.211.225.67 PRIVMSG #scheme :yeah, thanks" ":leppie_work!n=DKK@196.211.225.67 PRIVMSG #scheme :i just posted the message there now :)" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :What's your username on ohloh?" ":leppie_work!n=DKK@196.211.225.67 PRIVMSG #scheme :leppie" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme ::)" ":leppie_work!n=DKK@196.211.225.67 PRIVMSG #scheme :it's nice having nick almost no one uses" ":leppie_work!n=DKK@196.211.225.67 PRIVMSG #scheme :well it is being used more nowadays" ":leppie_work!n=DKK@196.211.225.67 PRIVMSG #scheme :a few years back i was pretty much gaurenteed to get my desired username" ":leppie_work!n=DKK@196.211.225.67 PRIVMSG #scheme :mmm, maybe its detecting my .pp (post processed) file as pascal" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :ah, that sounds likely" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :You can download ohcount and check for yourself, btw" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :(if you're willing to create a full ruby environment...)" ":leppie_work!n=DKK@196.211.225.67 PRIVMSG #scheme :i can do that tonite i guess" ":leppie_work!n=DKK@196.211.225.67 PRIVMSG #scheme :hmm, it shows 0 lines of scheme code" ":foof!n=user@clair12.naist.jp QUIT :\"ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)\"" ":leppie_work!n=DKK@196.211.225.67 PRIVMSG #scheme :https://www.ohloh.net/projects/IronScheme/analyses/latest" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :ouch" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :I bet it's the .ss extension that's not recognised" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :_and_ the .pp being recognised as Pascal" ":schumaml!i=c19b5f04@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3f06295b8c82f327 QUIT :\"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client\"" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :Ohloh has quite a few problems detecting languages" ":jewel!n=jewel@dsl-242-171-245.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#scheme" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :I added the Chicken wiki content (it uses svnwiki, so content is versioned), and it sees nothing" ":ttmrichter!n=ttmricht@58.48.196.230 JOIN :#scheme" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :Only one Scheme source file that's in the wiki" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :Funny thing is, it _does_ see the commits I did on it :)" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :So zero files, but a lot of commits :)" ":leppie_work!n=DKK@196.211.225.67 PRIVMSG #scheme :i think it does the same for me" ":leppie_work!n=DKK@196.211.225.67 PRIVMSG #scheme :on .ss files" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)" ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A PRIVMSG #scheme :okay, so create states before, and after. Eliminate differences in the two sets. Then examine differences between the two sets." ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A PRIVMSG #scheme :Oh, or maybe sleep." ":sad0ur!n=sad0ur@psi.cz JOIN :#scheme" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp JOIN :#scheme" ":lucka_!n=mornfall@ip-89-102-33-70.karneval.cz JOIN :#scheme" ":MichaelRaskin!n=MichaelR@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)" ":MichaelRaskin!n=MichaelR@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net JOIN :#scheme" ":lucka_!n=mornfall@ip-89-102-33-70.karneval.cz QUIT :Client Quit" ":lucka_!n=mornfall@ip-89-102-33-70.karneval.cz JOIN :#scheme" ":MichaelRaskin!n=MichaelR@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":MichaelRaskin!n=MichaelR@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net JOIN :#scheme" ":XTL!i=t6haha00@rhea.oamk.fi PRIVMSG #scheme :Snowflakes" ":geckosenator!n=sean@c-24-8-193-190.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":ramkrsna!n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna JOIN :#scheme" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 JOIN :#scheme" ":hkBst!n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst JOIN :#scheme" ":luhar!i=3ba24401@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-39fa3756620fb127 QUIT :\"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client\"" ":jewel!n=jewel@dsl-242-171-245.telkomadsl.co.za QUIT :Connection timed out" ":schumaml!i=c19b5f04@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-25931156f7181b3e JOIN :#scheme" ":jewel!n=jewel@dsl-242-171-245.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#scheme" ":leppie_work!n=DKK@196.211.225.67 PRIVMSG #scheme :sjamaan: .pp does map to pascal, and scheme only gets detected on .scm files" ":leppie_work!n=DKK@196.211.225.67 PRIVMSG #scheme :looking at ohcount" ":cemerick!n=la_mer@75.147.38.122 JOIN :#scheme" ":ramkrsna!n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)" ":automejja!n=edwin@c-7d2472d5.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se QUIT :" ":name!n=name@sburn/devel/name JOIN :#scheme" ":__name__!n=name@sburn/devel/name JOIN :#scheme" ":name!n=name@sburn/devel/name QUIT :Nick collision from services." ":__name__!n=name@sburn/devel/name NICK :name" ":wasabi_!n=wasabi@p4132-ipbfp04kyoto.kyoto.ocn.ne.jp QUIT :\"Leaving...\"" ":sm!n=sm@pool-71-104-93-213.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :" ":ramkrsna!n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna JOIN :#scheme" ":ejs!n=eugen@nat.ironport.com JOIN :#scheme" ":antoszka!n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka QUIT :\"+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++\"" ":antoszka!n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka JOIN :#scheme" ":antoszka!n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka QUIT :Client Quit" ":antoszka!n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka JOIN :#scheme" ":tizoc_!n=user@r190-135-18-204.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy NICK :tizoc" ":peter_12!n=peter_12@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net JOIN :#scheme" ":peter_12!n=peter_12@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net QUIT :Client Quit" ":cky!n=cky@203-211-92-114.ue.woosh.co.nz QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":underspecified!n=eric@softbank220043052011.bbtec.net JOIN :#scheme" ":ecraven!n=nex@140.78.42.104 QUIT :\"bbl\"" ":jewel!n=jewel@dsl-242-171-245.telkomadsl.co.za QUIT :Connection timed out" ":errordeveloper!n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":errordeveloper!n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#scheme" ":jewel!n=jewel@dsl-242-171-245.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#scheme" ":antoszka!n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":GreyLensman!n=ray@c-76-108-235-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#scheme" ":GreyLensman!n=ray@c-76-108-235-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PART #scheme :" ":errordeveloper!n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":errordeveloper!n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#scheme" ":antoszka!n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka JOIN :#scheme" ":annodomini!n=lambda@c-75-69-95-99.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#scheme" ":hemulen!n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":hemulen!n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com JOIN :#scheme" ":annodomini!n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda QUIT :" ":antoszka!n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":antoszka!n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka JOIN :#scheme" ":Nshag!i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-3-199.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#scheme" ":errordeveloper!n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)" ":annodomini!n=lambda@216-107-215-132.Renesys.static.cust.seg.net JOIN :#scheme" ":errordeveloper!n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#scheme" ":annodomini!n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda QUIT :" ":hiyuh!n=hiyuh@ZQ062141.ppp.dion.ne.jp QUIT :\"|_ e /\\ \\/ i |/| G\"" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@adsl-99-14-208-195.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net QUIT :\"Leaving\"" ":hiyuh!n=hiyuh@KD125054017176.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp JOIN :#scheme" ":BW^-!i=Miranda@94.191.174.214.bredband.tre.se QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":peter_12!n=peter_12@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net JOIN :#scheme" ":peter_12!n=peter_12@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net QUIT :Client Quit" ":error_developer_!n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#scheme" ":wastrel!n=wastrel@nylug/member/wastrel JOIN :#scheme" ":errordeveloper!n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":schumaml!i=c19b5f04@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-25931156f7181b3e QUIT :\"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client\"" ":zbigniew_!n=zb@3e8.org NICK :zbigniew" ":jlongster!n=user@75.148.111.133 JOIN :#scheme" ":person5!i=a@c-67-185-17-84.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#scheme" ":errordeveloper!n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#scheme" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu JOIN :#scheme" ":error_developer_!n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":jeremiah!n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":jeremiah!n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#scheme" ":eli!n=eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :duncanm: ping" ":offby1!n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com PRIVMSG #scheme :la la la" ":person5!i=a@c-67-185-17-84.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit" ":Adamant!n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant QUIT :" ":eli!n=eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :offby1: ping!" ":foof!n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp PRIVMSG #scheme :Go Phillies! :)" ":eli!n=eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION wonders if \"duncanm\" is more likely to get offby1's attention..." ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 JOIN :#scheme" ":eli!n=eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :offby1: duncanm!" ":offby1!n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION glowers" ":bweaver!n=bweaver@75.148.111.133 JOIN :#scheme" ":eli!n=eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION runs off to his class" ":eli!n=eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :duncanm: if you see this, then today is the fun LC stuff" ":SinDoc!n=SinDoc@ip-213-49-145-54.dsl.scarlet.be JOIN :#scheme" ":offby1!n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com PRIVMSG #scheme :If you can read this, then you're spending too much time on IRC! Get a life!" ":error_developer_!n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#scheme" ":peter_12!n=peter_12@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net JOIN :#scheme" ":SinDoc!n=SinDoc@ip-213-49-145-54.dsl.scarlet.be PRIVMSG #scheme :Wondering how to use MVC pattern in Scheme;" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 PRIVMSG #scheme :\"Design Patterns don't exist in Lisp\" - Peter Norvig" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 PRIVMSG #scheme :actually he didn't said that :-)" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 PRIVMSG #scheme :Hmmm... Or was it Gabriel?" ":SinDoc!n=SinDoc@ip-213-49-145-54.dsl.scarlet.be PRIVMSG #scheme :Norvig, you mean the AI guy now at Google?" ":errordeveloper!n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk QUIT :Connection timed out" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 PRIVMSG #scheme :yeah, he or Gabriel said that most design patterns are not necessary in Lisp" ":SinDoc!n=SinDoc@ip-213-49-145-54.dsl.scarlet.be PRIVMSG #scheme :Well, how would one build a GUI using Scheme while separating concerns?" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :Gosh, I didn't know Peter Gabriel used Lisp." ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :lol" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :arcfide: you called earlier?" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :leppie: yeah, I did. I was checking on .NET based versions of Scheme." ":antoszka!n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka QUIT :\"+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++\"" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :I have a guy who is building his own scheme because he couldn't find any .NET versions he wanted. I think he was basing it on the DLR." ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :well he will have a hard time" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :He mentioned that he looked at IronScheme pretty heavily, but that you had indicated you weren't going the DLR route." ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :the DLR is not suitable as is, as I discovered" ":sm!n=sm@pool-71-107-249-113.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#scheme" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :Apparently the implementation is still rough, but he claimes that the DLR has changed a lot. *shrug*" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :maybe he meant to 'pure' DLR route" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :well then it wont be SCheme, no tail calls" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :leppie: Could you emulate tail calls?" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :leppie: I have trouble believing that a general purpose language would be incapable of expressing tail calls in some way or another." ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :if you do tail call elimination, sure" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :the CLR supports tail calls, the DLR have not that functionality" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :i requested it, never happened" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :leppie: How can the DLR not support tail calls? I mean, it's a general purpose language, right? So doing tail calls should be possible, even if the language itself doesn't support it." ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :they also have some arb way of doing thing, that just didnt work for me" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :yes tail calls is possible, like I added, but there are a few considerations to take" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :i think the DLR authors just though it's not viable" ":TauPan!n=taupan@dudelab.org JOIN :#scheme" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :I mean how many run of the mill hackers will know what a tail call is?" ":TauPan!n=taupan@dudelab.org PRIVMSG #scheme :Currently I'm half-seriously considering using scheme for a system administration script. I wonder what would be the best scheme implementation for the job." ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :Eh, hackers do, but I think little programming monkies generally have little to no clue." ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :the only place IronScheme does not do tail calls where required is in dynamic-wind" ":ejs!n=eugen@nat.ironport.com QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :TauPan: scsh maybe?" ":TauPan!n=taupan@dudelab.org PRIVMSG #scheme :scsh seems a bit unmaintained" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :although i dont like that , syntax they have" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :If your only complaint with scsh is the use of commas for unquotation, uh..." ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :TauPan: You can probably get away with using just about any decent Scheme for that, but you could give more details and then maybe we could recommend something." ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :Riastradh: it looks weird :) it probably works very well though" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :`I don't like English because of the way that question marks look.'" ":replor!n=replor@ntkngw375028.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp JOIN :#scheme" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :I dont liek english, because you cant ask where someyhing is at" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme ::)" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION blinks." ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :iow, you cant end a sentence with a preposition" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION chuckles." ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :Why can't you?" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :so you have to do: where is this place at, asshole? :p" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :lol" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :its not proper english" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :You are citing a two-century old mistaken importation of a Latin rule into English that was just as bogus then as it is now." ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :leppie: There are a few other \"Standard English Rhetoric\" complaints about asking where something is at." ":TauPan!n=taupan@dudelab.org PRIVMSG #scheme :arcfide: I wonder what kind of details might help you... I certainly like the posix interface available in scsh, but I think something similar is available for scheme48 nowadays. The job is really trivial, read and parse a config file, output some configuration files in a different format and then start (and possibly control) daemons that read in the configuration." ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :No, TauPan, Scheme48's POSIX interface is not really comparable to scsh's, and it doesn't work very well." ":TauPan!n=taupan@dudelab.org PRIVMSG #scheme :the *real* goal here is to show off the elegance and usability of scheme for such a job" ":TauPan!n=taupan@dudelab.org PRIVMSG #scheme :Riastradh: thanks for clearing that up... I never really looked at that." ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :TauPan: then write it in your favorite Scheme, and write it well." ":TauPan!n=taupan@dudelab.org PRIVMSG #scheme :I don't really have a favorite scheme implementation at the moment... didn't program in scheme in a year. :)" ":TauPan!n=taupan@dudelab.org PRIVMSG #scheme :I was planning to take a closer look at plt and/or chicken." ":TauPan!n=taupan@dudelab.org PRIVMSG #scheme :they are probably both up to the job" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :TauPan: A few Schemes have \"scripting\" type support that allows you to treat a file as a script like you would a perl file." ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :leppie, so, please try to do a better job of finding complaints. That is the sort of nonsense up with which I will not put." ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :I am sure Petite, Chicken, PLT, MIT, Scheme48, &c. will be fine." ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :i wasnt complaining, Riastradh :) purely stating my opinion" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :leppie, well, to be precise, you were also claiming a bogus proposition to be fact." ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :Stylistic, I was taught that it should read, \"I will not put up with this sort of nonsense.\"" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :i have never used scsh before, so I shall make any judgement, just what I saw from some tutorials" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :well, maybe I was just taught ending a sentence in a preposition is not correct" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :maybe the definition of accepted english has changed since I been to school" ":TauPan!n=taupan@dudelab.org PRIVMSG #scheme :arcfide: is that srfi implemented in chicken?" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :not that I was very good at it to start with (error again)" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :leppie: It is a rule that exists in the Grammars of some English books, and one which I rather like, but which does not really stand as accepted fact among all Grammarians." ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :TauPan: What SRFI?" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :arcfide: I have dared studying english that well :)" ":TauPan!n=taupan@dudelab.org PRIVMSG #scheme :#! script support is a srfi, iirc" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :I have NOT dared..." ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :duh" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :TauPan, you don't want to use that SRFI." ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :TauPan: I think that it is in R6RS in some suggestion or something like that, but I would just check the implemtnation of your choice." ":TauPan!n=taupan@dudelab.org PRIVMSG #scheme :wait" ":TauPan!n=taupan@dudelab.org PRIVMSG #scheme :chicken is compiled to standalone binaries anyways... I forgot" ":TauPan!n=taupan@dudelab.org PRIVMSG #scheme :<- confused, don't let that confuse you." ":TauPan!n=taupan@dudelab.org PRIVMSG #scheme :Riastradh: I do not? Didn't you forget the jedi master handwave?" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :this is not the scheme you looking for? :p" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :SRFI" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :oops" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :leppie, there is no `definition of accepted English', but in any case, no one has failed to understand a sentence merely because it ended with a preposition, and no one but doddering, ignorant prescriptivists, citing a mistaken rule from two hundred years ago that hitherto had been neither practised nor preached." ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :...er: no one but doddering, ignorant prescriptivists, citing such a mistaken rule, reject the ending of sentences by prepositions." ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :see, my english is do bad, I dont even know the defintion of 25% of the words you used! (well more like 50% but I can deduce some meanings)" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :/sdo/so" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :/s/do/so" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :At best, it is merely a suggestion of style that a sentence is stronger if it ends on a word other than a preposition." ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :(in some cases)" ":jonrafkind!n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net QUIT :Connection timed out" ":mmc1!n=gvtk86@217.147.104.142 QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":vorpal!n=rhunter@pdpc/supporter/student/vorpal QUIT :\"The incensed priests...continued to raise their voices, vituperating each other in bad Latin\"" ":TauPan!n=taupan@dudelab.org PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION downloads chicken." ":SinDoc!n=SinDoc@ip-213-49-145-54.dsl.scarlet.be QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION splits an infinitive" ":Daemmeru`!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 JOIN :#scheme" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":Daemmeru`!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 NICK :Daemmerung" ":proq!n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION wonders why not knowing what prescriptivist means would make someone's english bad" ":TauPan!n=taupan@dudelab.org PART #scheme :\"thanks for your help and happy hacking! :)\"" ":jonrafkind!n=jon@wireless212.wireless.utah.edu JOIN :#scheme" ":hiyuh!n=hiyuh@KD125054017176.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp QUIT :\"|_ e /\\ \\/ i |/| G\"" ":hemulen!n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com NICK :unhemulen" ":unhemulen!n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com NICK :hemulen" ":peter_12!n=peter_12@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :Wohoo...I know have an anoncvs repository." ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :s/know/now/" ":lucka_!n=mornfall@ip-89-102-33-70.karneval.cz QUIT :Client Quit" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :cvs???" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :does anyone still use that?" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :(format \"All the cool kids are using ~a\" (apply amb (filter (lambda (e) (not (eq? e 'cvs))) (all-sccs-installed))))" ":hiyuh!n=hiyuh@KD125054017176.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp JOIN :#scheme" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu PRIVMSG #scheme :leppie: I still use CVS, and lot's of people still use CVS." ":jgracin!n=jgracin@82.193.208.195 JOIN :#scheme" ":saccade_!n=saccade@209-6-23-56.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#scheme" ":AtnNn!n=welcome@modemcable230.56-56-74.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#scheme" ":besiria!n=user@ppp083212086009.dsl.uom.gr JOIN :#scheme" ":Nichibutsu!n=myfabse@wikipedia/Track-n-Field JOIN :#scheme" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :oh dear, you would think people would know the difference between a statement and an expression..." ":hotblack23!n=jh@p5B057B21.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#scheme" ":AtnNn!n=welcome@modemcable230.56-56-74.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :\"foobar\"" ":peter_12!n=peter_12@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net JOIN :#scheme" ":saccade_!n=saccade@209-6-23-56.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :\"This computer has gone to sleep\"" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 PRIVMSG #scheme :leppie: you'd be surprised" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :lucky in scheme people dont have to worry about that (too much)" ":borism_!n=boris@195-50-206-75-dsl.krw.estpak.ee JOIN :#scheme" ":borism!n=boris@195-50-199-184-dsl.krw.estpak.ee QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)" ":jewel!n=jewel@dsl-242-171-245.telkomadsl.co.za QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :Oh, how cute. A Hallowe'en Easter-egg in DrScheme." ":melito!n=melito@70.99.250.82 JOIN :#scheme" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :and what is that?" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 PRIVMSG #scheme :a stack trace?" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :Lambda Jack-O-Lantern splash screen." ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 PRIVMSG #scheme :heh, cool" ":geckosenator!n=sean@c-24-8-193-190.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#scheme" ":cracki!n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE JOIN :#scheme" ":pitui!n=pitui@doh.research.att.com JOIN :#scheme" ":arcfide!n=arcfide@156-56-204-215.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu QUIT :\"Leaving\"" ":borism!n=boris@195-50-212-207-dsl.krw.estpak.ee JOIN :#scheme" ":MichaelRaskin!n=MichaelR@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net QUIT :\"Leaving.\"" ":borism_!n=boris@195-50-206-75-dsl.krw.estpak.ee QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :leppie, yes, because there are no statements in Scheme, only expressions in command contexts. Of course, this doesn't actually stop people from talking nonsense about statements..." ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #scheme :expressions are awesome. Statements are part of what kills Python lambdas (only allows expressions and too many things are statements)" ":peter_12!n=peter_12@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net QUIT :Connection timed out" ":papermachine!n=ahoman@61.152.106.169 QUIT :\"Ex-Chat\"" ":Mr_SpOOn!n=Mr_SpOOn@89-97-102-218.ip17.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#scheme" ":ecraven!n=nex@plc31-103.linzag.net JOIN :#scheme" ":besiria!n=user@ppp083212086009.dsl.uom.gr QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :Riastradh: there are definitions and syntax definitions, which are Not Expressions." ":annodomini!n=lambda@130.189.179.215 JOIN :#scheme" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :Yep. Those are definitions and syntax definitions, which are indeed not expressions, nor even commands (i.e. expressions in command contexts). There are also sequences, which may be expressions or not depending on their context." ":kilimanjaro!n=kilimanj@70.116.95.163 JOIN :#scheme" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :I guess a \"statement\" in the Pascal sense would entail either one of those not-expressions, or else one of the many charming expressions with undefined values." ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :`Statement' is not a term in the Scheme lexicon, and has no linguistic right to serve as a substitute for the term `command'. Its place sensibly lies in logic languages such as Prolog which actually do have declarative statements, rather than imperative commands." ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :a statement is anything that cannot occur on the right hand side of an assignment" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :generally" ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION campaigns for the linguistic rights of oppressed Statements" ":geckosenator!n=sean@c-24-8-193-190.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :Its use to mean `command' is a historical accident that ought to be rectified." ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :but even a scheme 'command' is a still an expression, albeit a context sensitive one" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 PRIVMSG #scheme :leppie: better yet, it's something that has a value (can be eval'ed)" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :ventonegro: try explain that to people coding in visual basic :)" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 PRIVMSG #scheme :leppie: they must repent their imperative ways! :-D" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :http://xacc.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/helpme.png?w=500&h=48" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :thats the vb i have to deal with at work..." ":Daemmerung!n=goetter@64.146.161.228 PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION time-travels back 50 years to protect the Algol designers against the fury of Riastradh" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 JOIN :#scheme" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 PRIVMSG #scheme :leppie: that picture was too much for my emacs" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 PRIVMSG #scheme :it crashed" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :lol :p" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :i do that many times a day :|" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :i wish someone would pay me to do something useful one day" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :i have this tendency to join titanic companies it seems" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 PRIVMSG #scheme :leppie: I shared your wishes" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 PRIVMSG #scheme :share*" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :last one sank in Feb this year, and the current on is sinking in Dec" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 PRIVMSG #scheme :heh" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :at least i have '2 month notice'" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 PRIVMSG #scheme :leppie: i'm sorry" ":Cale_!n=Cale@CPE001c10c70239-CM000e5cdd834a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#scheme" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :it sucked anyways" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :i was dead bored" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :i feel too guilty hacking scheme at work for my own joy" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 PRIVMSG #scheme :I do not :-)" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 PRIVMSG #scheme :it's for my mental sanity" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :i do little bits, but not much" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :this last week involved crystal reports..." ":saccade_!n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-73-186.dyn.mit.edu JOIN :#scheme" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :it's kinda a low point in my carreer i think" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme ::|" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 PRIVMSG #scheme :what are you doing next?" ":hemulen!n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :testing client side integration, involving that vb.net section you saw, thats the middle man, the client is pure vb, i dare not go there" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 PRIVMSG #scheme :i mean, after your notice" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :lol" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :no i meant the company will probably go down in 2 months, they need a new investor..." ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :im looking for work now" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :i doubt they will find an investor, poor product" ":hemulen_!n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com JOIN :#scheme" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :leppie: Investors don't care" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :A client of ours has been carting in investor money for close to 3 years now with a horrible product which still has made zero money" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :lol, i think it's poor product..." ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :i just wanna be kept busy doing not so bring shit" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :boring" ":Cale!n=Cale@CPE001c10c70239-CM000e5cdd834a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :there are people there that takes a week to write the code in php to connect to a .net webservice, then still struggle" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :heh" ":cemerick!n=la_mer@75.147.38.122 QUIT :" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :PHP programmers.." ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :Don't get me started!" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :no, a delphi wannabe in an VB role" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :doing PHP" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :very documentation agnostic" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :heh" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :maybe VB docs were really bad :)" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :then i cant blame them" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :wtf" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :ubuntu.org is not ubuntu?" ":Cale_!n=Cale@CPE001c10c70239-CM000e5cdd834a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com NICK :Cale" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :SGIN FAIL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7702913.stm hahaha" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :oops SIGN" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :FAIL NOTICE FAIL" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme ::|" ":lisppaste!n=lisppast@208.72.159.207 QUIT :\"Want lisppaste in your channel? Email lisppaste-requests AT common-lisp.net.\"" ":minion!n=minion@208.72.159.207 QUIT :\"Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc\"" ":specbot!n=specbot@208.72.159.207 QUIT :\"Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc\"" ":lisppaste!n=lisppast@common-lisp.net JOIN :#scheme" ":minion!n=minion@common-lisp.net JOIN :#scheme" ":specbot!n=specbot@common-lisp.net JOIN :#scheme" ":ecraven!n=nex@plc31-103.linzag.net QUIT :\"bbl\"" ":benny!n=benny@i577A0DC7.versanet.de QUIT :Connection timed out" ":benny!n=benny@i577A0DC7.versanet.de JOIN :#scheme" ":hemulen_!n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com NICK :hemulen" ":bombshelter13!n=bombshel@net1.senecac.on.ca JOIN :#scheme" ":ramkrsna!n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna QUIT :\"Leaving\"" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za PRIVMSG #scheme :the force is strong with this one" ":mbishop!n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":mbishop!n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop JOIN :#scheme" ":subversus!i=elliot@loveturtle.net QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":tizoc_!n=user@r190-135-62-173.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy JOIN :#scheme" ":jgracin!n=jgracin@82.193.208.195 QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":papermachine!n=ahoman@61.152.106.169 JOIN :#scheme" ":tizoc!n=user@r190-135-18-204.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy QUIT :Nick collision from services." ":tizoc_!n=user@r190-135-62-173.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy NICK :tizoc" ":ventonegro!n=user@136.166.1.3 QUIT :\"ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)\"" ":jewel!n=jewel@dsl-242-171-245.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#scheme" ":jgracin!n=jgracin@82.193.208.195 JOIN :#scheme" ":pfo_!n=pfo@chello084114049188.14.vie.surfer.at QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":wastrel!n=wastrel@nylug/member/wastrel QUIT :\"bye now happy halloween\"" ":saccade_!n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-73-186.dyn.mit.edu QUIT :\"This computer has gone to sleep\"" ":ecraven!n=nex@plc31-103.linzag.net JOIN :#scheme" ":MichaelRaskin!n=MichaelR@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net JOIN :#scheme" ":MichaelRaskin_!n=raskin@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru JOIN :#scheme" ":rebe!n=rebe@151.Red-79-150-218.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#scheme" ":GoNoGo!n=GoNoGo@cro34-3-82-236-93-215.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#scheme" ":benny!n=benny@i577A0DC7.versanet.de QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":benny!n=benny@i577A0DC7.versanet.de JOIN :#scheme" ":rebe!n=rebe@151.Red-79-150-218.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #scheme :holaaaaa" ":MichaelRaskin!n=MichaelR@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net PART #scheme :" ":puchacz!n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#scheme" ":synthasee!n=synthase@68.63.20.12 JOIN :#scheme" ":mib_2vd1uj9a!i=43c78706@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4c21f69cbd24362d JOIN :#scheme" ":saccade_!n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-73-186.dyn.mit.edu JOIN :#scheme" ":annodomini!n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda QUIT :" ":hadronzoo!n=hadronzo@ppp-70-247-170-199.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :" ":saccade_!n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-73-186.dyn.mit.edu QUIT :\"This computer has gone to sleep\"" ":kniu!n=kniu@CMU-301252.WV.CC.CMU.EDU JOIN :#scheme" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)" ":Axioplase!n=Pied@79.248.206-77.rev.gaoland.net JOIN :#scheme" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za JOIN :#scheme" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION 's jaw plummets to the floor." ":langmartin!n=user@adsl-074-167-038-128.sip.cha.bellsouth.net JOIN :#scheme" ":Adamant!n=Adamant@c-98-244-152-196.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#scheme" ":Adamant!n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)" ":gnomon!n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #scheme :Riastradh, what's up?" ":Adamant!n=Adamant@c-98-244-152-196.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#scheme" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :The US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit has upheld the rejection of patents for software and business methods. It's not the Supreme Court (yet), but..." ":error_developer_!n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":gnomon!n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #scheme :Holy doodle!" ":errordeveloper!n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#scheme" ":gnomon!n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #scheme :I called that one *totally* wrong." ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :We'll need a jaw-broom here, I imagine." ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)" ":XTL!i=t6haha00@rhea.oamk.fi PRIVMSG #scheme :Hmmh" ":XTL!i=t6haha00@rhea.oamk.fi PRIVMSG #scheme :The world's still going to hell" ":leppie!n=lolcow@196-210-146-254-ndn-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za JOIN :#scheme" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :Interesting, though most patent lawyers specializing in technology will phrase software patents as an instantiation of a combined software / hardware system already." ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :It is a faint glimmer of light amidst the murk of submersion in a cesspool." ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #scheme :So, I'd imagine thata good number of software patents will not be affected by this." ":attila_lendvai!n=ati@catv-89-133-170-239.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":jlongster!n=user@75.148.111.133 QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)" ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :Here's the full opinion of the court, by the way: ." ":Riastradh!n=rias@pool-141-154-225-78.bos.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #scheme :(Ironically, I first spotted this in the Register, and haven't seen it in any major US news sources.)" ":sjamaan!n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan PRIVMSG #scheme :Riastradh: groklaw covered it, iirc" ":bweaver!n=bweaver@75.148.111.133 QUIT :" ":nowhere_man!i=pierre@pthierry.pck.nerim.net QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)" ":bombshelter13!n=bombshel@net1.senecac.on.ca QUIT :No route to host" ":annodomini!n=lambda@64.30.3.122 JOIN :#scheme" ":hemulen!n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)" ":annodomini_!n=lambda@64.30.3.122 JOIN :#scheme" ":hemulen!n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com JOIN :#scheme" ":bashyal!n=bashyal@208.42.136.59 JOIN :#scheme" ":jeremiah!n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":bashyal!n=bashyal@208.42.136.59 QUIT :Client Quit" ":AtnNn!n=welcome@modemcable230.56-56-74.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#scheme" ":annodomini!n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":jeremiah!n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#scheme" ":GoNoGo!n=GoNoGo@cro34-3-82-236-93-215.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :\"ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]\"" ":jeremiah!n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Connection reset by peer" ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A JOIN :#scheme" ":ecraven!n=nex@plc31-103.linzag.net QUIT :\"bbl\"" ":jgracin!n=jgracin@82.193.208.195 QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":annodomini_!n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda QUIT :Connection timed out" ":kniu!n=kniu@CMU-301252.WV.CC.CMU.EDU QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":kniu!n=kniu@LEMON.RES.CMU.EDU JOIN :#scheme" ":langmartin!n=user@adsl-074-167-038-128.sip.cha.bellsouth.net QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :Hey... what do you guys think of test driven development?" ":jeremiah!n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#scheme" ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A PRIVMSG #scheme :AUGH" ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A PRIVMSG #scheme :ACTION has a post-traumatic freak out" ":synx!i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A PRIVMSG #scheme :So...many...tests..." ":puchacz!n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":Elly!n=pyxy@PHYREXIA.RES.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #scheme :keyofnight: it's pretty cool" ":Elly!n=pyxy@PHYREXIA.RES.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #scheme :keyofnight: I should do it more often :)" ":Axioplase!n=Pied@79.248.206-77.rev.gaoland.net QUIT :\"Lost terminal\"" ":jeremiah!n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":annodomini!n=lambda@c-75-69-95-99.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#scheme" ":REPLeffect!n=REPLeffe@69.54.115.254 QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":mib_2vd1uj9a!i=43c78706@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4c21f69cbd24362d QUIT :\"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client\"" ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :ahahaha" ":keyofnight!n=key@ec2-75-101-138-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #scheme :It's freaking me out." ":hotblack23!n=jh@p5B057B21.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #scheme :keyofnight: it's pretty easy to do in a lispy language, I would say" ":peter_12!n=peter_12@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net JOIN :#scheme" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #scheme :following the HtDP style, it's nice you can just kinda write some assertions like (= 0 (myfunction 'data data)) and build out a bunch of those as contracts that your code must fulfill" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #scheme :really gives you a bit of a focus and of course the actual point of tests, verification" ":jeremiah!n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#scheme" ":hkBst!n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":Mr_SpOOn!n=Mr_SpOOn@89-97-102-218.ip17.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":peter_12!n=peter_12@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net QUIT :" ":nicholasw!n=nw@ckc-109-118.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU QUIT :" ":pjdelport!n=pjd@ampere.divmod.com PRIVMSG #scheme :testing and development are like eval/apply" ":gweiqi!n=greg@69.120.126.163 JOIN :#scheme" ":rebe!n=rebe@151.Red-79-150-218.staticIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)" ":Nichibutsu!n=myfabse@wikipedia/Track-n-Field QUIT :" ":mbishop!n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop QUIT :Remote closed the connection"