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2017-07-03T22:10:17Z stassats: what the hell happened to the latest bug report?
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2017-07-04T06:57:54Z tonton: stassats: fyi, yesterday my first sbcl bug report (#1702178) got assigned to null-and-void / invalid + my account suspended right after the submission. I was quite surprised.
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2017-07-04T07:43:50Z scymtym: tonton: we (sbcl developers) could see the issue appearing and disappearing via email notifications. no idea what actually happened, though. maybe a launchpad admin mixed up issue numbers?
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2017-07-04T07:59:56Z tonton: scymtym: oh, good to know. I'll try to contact a launchpad admin to see if I get an explanation. Thanks for your feedback.
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2017-07-04T11:06:08Z Xof: what's up with https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1702178 ?
2017-07-04T11:09:13Z tonton: Xof: tried to submit a bug report yesterday, got kicked. Asked launchpad admin for an explanation, I'm waiting for a reply.
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2017-07-05T16:30:47Z kencausey: oops, should have tried #lisp first, sorry
2017-07-05T16:32:44Z kencausey: I was using lowercase, my mistake
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2017-07-06T16:34:52Z scymtym: minion: memo for stassats: i believe your float constant reduction test uncovered a problem in the x86 backend: (compile nil `(lambda (x) (* 4.457268f31 4 x -46253801283659))) signals FLOATING-POINT-OVERFLOW
2017-07-06T16:34:53Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell stassats when he/she/it next speaks.
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2017-07-06T17:24:27Z dougk_: would it be best if ENSURE-DIRECTORIES-EXIST always returns a pathname (specifically) and not a "pathname designator" ?
2017-07-06T17:25:14Z dougk_: i'm looking at some code that goes (defvar *thing* (ensure-directories-exist "blah")) and then binds *default-pathname-defaults* to *thing* in unsafe code, which leads to infinite recursion on the next call to parse-namestring
2017-07-06T17:25:47Z dougk_: the AVER in parse-namestring that *d-f-d* is a pathname is basically useless because the compiler is sufficiently smart to delete the test entirely, since *d-f-d* can't be anything but a pathname
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2017-07-06T17:26:20Z dougk_: and thus we have infinite recursion instead of an aver failure.
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2017-07-06T17:44:27Z fe[nl]ix: I think it's safe to declare that ENSURE-DIRECTORIES-EXIST always returns a pathname
2017-07-06T18:01:38Z dougk_: well, that might depend on what the word "is" means: "The primary value is the given pathspec"
2017-07-06T18:02:06Z dougk_: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/chatterbox/1998/09/bill_clinton_and_the_meaning_of_is.html
2017-07-06T18:03:31Z Bike: if d-f-d is declared to be a pathname, shouldn't the binding to *thing* have signaled an error?
2017-07-06T18:04:47Z dougk_: this was unsafe code
2017-07-06T18:05:04Z Bike: oh, right sorry.
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2017-07-07T01:09:01Z joinr: is it possible to redefine special forms in sbcl?  I've seen the defspecial form show up in source, is there any way I can access it or otherwise redefine #'let and #'quote ?
2017-07-07T01:09:25Z joinr: redefine/shadow
2017-07-07T01:10:23Z Bike: if "shadow" includes just having symbols with the same names in other packages, you can do that.
2017-07-07T01:10:34Z joinr: case in point: I'd rather just define a macro for let, that implements the semantics i'm interested in, ultimately deferring to sbcl's let, but defmacro takes issue
2017-07-07T01:10:50Z joinr: seems like let and other special forms are exempt, bike..
2017-07-07T01:11:06Z Bike: they're not.
2017-07-07T01:11:10Z joinr: hmm
2017-07-07T01:11:17Z Bike: (defpackage joinr-lisp (:use :cl) (:shadow :let))
2017-07-07T01:12:11Z joinr: ah
2017-07-07T01:12:29Z joinr: does let live in the function namespace?
2017-07-07T01:12:37Z joinr: any way I can tell?
2017-07-07T01:12:56Z Bike: it lives in the function namespace in that (fboundp 'let) => true, (fdefinition 'let) => something
2017-07-07T01:13:07Z Bike: but it's not first class. you can't pass it around or anything.
2017-07-07T01:13:20Z joinr: roger
2017-07-07T01:13:28Z Bike: none of this is sbcl specific, by the way
2017-07-07T01:14:30Z joinr: (defmacro let (&rest args) `(cl:let ,@args)) => special operator 'let can't be redefined as a macro
2017-07-07T01:14:39Z Bike: did you do (in-package #:joinr-lisp)?
2017-07-07T01:14:54Z joinr: will shadowing help here?  on the outside seems like no
2017-07-07T01:15:00Z Bike: or just write (defmacro joinr-lisp:let ...)
2017-07-07T01:15:03Z joinr: lemme retry
2017-07-07T01:15:20Z Bike: well, ::let
2017-07-07T01:15:54Z joinr: righteous
2017-07-07T01:16:01Z joinr: that's exactly what I needed bike
2017-07-07T01:16:13Z joinr: so, shadowing extends to special forms too
2017-07-07T01:16:51Z Bike: shadowing actually just has to do with symbols. there is no relation to special operators (or functions, or variables, or anything)
2017-07-07T01:17:44Z joinr: why does sbcl complain if we don't shadow then?  I guess the binding for 'let has some special information in the cl package
2017-07-07T01:18:19Z Bike: you can't redefine symbols in the CL package
2017-07-07T01:18:31Z Bike: you'd get a similar error if you did (defmacro defmacro ...) or something
2017-07-07T01:18:55Z joinr: I got the idea for that from Let over Lamba
2017-07-07T01:19:12Z joinr: so, as long as we shadow we're good...
2017-07-07T01:19:29Z Bike: you should know that defmacro/g! in that book is not conformant, and won't work on sbcl
2017-07-07T01:19:38Z Bike: if you have more questions you should probably take them to #lisp regardless
2017-07-07T01:20:22Z joinr: roger. thanks
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2017-07-09T18:52:21Z stassats: oops
2017-07-09T18:52:46Z stassats: and i've had enough of "backtrace" in ldb segfault
2017-07-09T18:56:07Z stassats: call pthread_getspecific(specials) returns 0, so that's too happening quite early?
2017-07-09T18:57:26Z stassats: ok i guess it doesn't happen often to worry
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2017-07-12T11:55:52Z pkhuong_: I had a lisppaste. nothing special if you don't care about interactions with constraint propagation
2017-07-12T11:57:22Z stassats: hm, we have zero terminated strings, yet string-to-c-string always creates a ub8 array regardless
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2017-07-12T12:14:21Z stassats: solved that, but external formats code needs a major rewrite
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2017-07-12T12:23:12Z stassats: i wonder if i can just make utf8 better and leave everything else as is
2017-07-12T12:23:23Z stassats: because who really cares
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2017-07-12T19:35:56Z stassats: i guess "abc" can be read as base string
2017-07-12T19:36:19Z stassats: if a string with all base characters is not a base string it would use the specialized syntax
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2017-07-13T15:45:43Z dougk_: where's the thing in the compiler that decides that non-eql-comparable named constants (i.e. DEFCONSTANT) should be referred to in compiled code as if expressed as (load-time-value <the-name>) instead of just dumped?
2017-07-13T15:45:58Z dougk_: there's a bug in &OPTIONAL conversion regarding that.
2017-07-13T15:46:24Z dougk_: compile-file these forms: (sb-int:defconstant-eqx mystr "HI" #'string=) (defun f (&optional (s mystr)) s)
2017-07-13T15:46:36Z dougk_: then (eq (f) mystr) => NIL
2017-07-13T15:47:10Z dougk_: because it has dumped a different copy of the string. But the bug doesn't happen if &optional were &aux or &key.
2017-07-13T15:57:31Z dougk_: looks like this is a bug in generate-optional-default-entry
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2017-07-14T03:47:25Z |3b| wonders if 'first chance exception' on windows should only signal an error if *break-on-signals* is true (and continuable in that case)... seems like it does a sort of similar thing in ms c++
2017-07-14T03:55:40Z |3b|: ah, i guess that's probably not what it is anyway
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2017-07-14T19:00:46Z knobo: Does sbcl consider it safe to do vector-push-extend on the result of delete?
2017-07-14T19:01:56Z knobo: Just wondering since clhs says no, but people semes to do it, and the compiler does not complain.
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2017-07-15T15:19:06Z aceluck: Hi - I'm getting "Heap exhausted during allocation" and it drops down to the debugger. Is there any way I can grant more heap and resume?
2017-07-15T15:31:59Z scymtym: continue: yes. continue with resized heap: no. the heap size is determined at process startup. use the --dynamic-space-size runtime option to adjust it
2017-07-15T15:32:48Z attila_lendvai: this answer was only a trivial google search away from you...
2017-07-15T16:05:07Z aceluck: Well google said no, I was hoping you hackers had some workaround. But thanks
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2017-07-18T13:05:27Z AWizzArd: I was opening the sbcl github repo and searching for   "defun search"  inside it. I couldn’t find it. Any hints? Where can I see the source of the `search` fn?
2017-07-18T13:06:42Z scymtym: AWizzArd: installing sbcl with source and using SLIME's M-. probably works best
2017-07-18T13:07:04Z AWizzArd: Okay :-)
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2017-07-19T16:38:26Z rpg: Is it an error in SBCL to have only an :AROUND method, and no primary method for an arglist? I *think* that's how I interpret an error message I'm seeing that refers to CLHS 76.6.6.2
2017-07-19T16:38:54Z rpg: (my around method preprocesses the arguments and re-invokes the function).
2017-07-19T16:39:36Z rpg: ah, yes, I see that it is.
2017-07-19T16:39:38Z rpg: never mind...
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2017-07-20T10:37:42Z flip214: is it possible to tell SBCL save-lisp-and-die to use a different dynamic-space-size in the created executable?
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2017-07-20T14:46:35Z flip214: doing (make-array size :element-type 'type :initial-contents (mapcar #'constructor (iota size))) tells me "The default initial element 0 is not a TYPE" which, while technically correct, shouldn't matter here...
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2017-07-20T14:54:30Z Bike: i've seen that before, but i'm not sure where it comes from. transform-make-array-vector only has that warning in a condition that i don't think is reached if initial-contents is specified.
2017-07-20T14:55:26Z stassats: flip214: i don't believe that still happens
2017-07-20T14:59:13Z stassats: happens for (make-array (list y y) :element-type 'list :initial-contents x), but not for (make-array (+ y y) :element-type 'list :initial-contents x)
2017-07-20T15:00:33Z flip214: stassats: yeah, I had a two-dimensional setup, right...
2017-07-20T15:01:09Z stassats: i'll look into it
2017-07-20T15:01:18Z stassats: but the fix won't be in until the next release
2017-07-20T15:01:34Z flip214: no problem. it's right, anyway, isn't it?
2017-07-20T15:02:13Z flip214: doing a one-dimensional array, and then creating a two-dimensional that's displaced from the former does work, so I did that instead
2017-07-20T15:02:27Z Bike: you could just ignore it. it's only a style warning.
2017-07-20T15:04:23Z stassats: flip214: it's not right
2017-07-20T15:04:43Z stassats: using a displaced array is the worst idea
2017-07-20T15:07:03Z flip214: is it? why?
2017-07-20T15:07:40Z flip214: so I should pass a flat list via :initial-contents?
2017-07-20T15:07:59Z Bike: well, contorting your program to get around a wrong style-warning is definitely not how to go
2017-07-20T15:08:38Z flip214: well, I don't know any better than to heed warnings...
2017-07-20T15:09:43Z Bike: in this particular case the warning is improperly issued. the fact the initial element is not of the correct type does not matter because the initial element is not used, as you said
2017-07-20T15:10:10Z flip214: and creating a nested list for :initial-contents doesn't look that nice either - but a flat list is wrong according to CLHS
2017-07-20T15:10:29Z flip214: so it's not a simple MAPCAR any longer, etc.
2017-07-20T15:11:16Z flip214: Bike: reading the CLHS I don't think that the warning is improper. my MAPCAR will return a list of objects, but that won't match a 2-dimensional array
2017-07-20T15:11:48Z stassats: just don't supply element-type
2017-07-20T15:11:50Z stassats: don't use mapcar
2017-07-20T15:11:56Z stassats: fill it using setf aref
2017-07-20T15:12:57Z flip214: that's quite some longer (both as text and as code) than the displaced array (and wouldn't generalize to more dimensions that easily)... why would it be better?
2017-07-20T15:13:25Z flip214: although I could use ROW-MAJOR-AREF, true
2017-07-20T15:13:27Z Bike: flip214: if your initial-contents is wrong than the make-array should signal an error (or compile time warning) about that. it's a separate question from the initial-value.
2017-07-20T15:16:04Z stassats: is your only measure the size of text?
2017-07-20T15:16:35Z flip214: stassats: no, readability too. and nested loops aren't among my favourites.
2017-07-20T15:16:48Z flip214: yeah, with row-major-aref I only have one loop now...
2017-07-20T15:17:19Z flip214: still, the (MAPCAR #'constructor (iota total-size)) was nicer (but still wrong)
2017-07-20T15:17:43Z stassats: so, you just don't care about time complexity, space complexity and garbage collector pressure?
2017-07-20T15:20:14Z flip214: stassats: is that about the displaced-array? if so, is performance really that bad? creating an additional list and an additional array-descriptor which can immediately be GCed?
2017-07-20T15:21:02Z flip214: well, never mind.
2017-07-20T15:21:53Z flip214: the style-warning that confused me a bit was right (in my case) after all, so I changed the code to be correct.
2017-07-20T15:22:23Z flip214: I'm grateful for all the time you're investing, though!
2017-07-20T15:35:18Z stassats: and a fix is not so trivial, might have to extend the compiler
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2017-07-24T11:52:52Z stassats: why does synchronize-stream-output say (unless (fd-stream-dual-channel-p stream))?
2017-07-24T11:52:55Z stassats: UNLESS?
2017-07-24T11:58:36Z stassats: i have no idea really what dual-channel-p is supposed to mean, but synchronize-stream-output synchronizes an input buffer on an output stream
2017-07-24T12:00:47Z stassats: ok, it's for sockets, but synchronize-stream-output still shouldn't touch the input buffer if there's none
2017-07-24T12:04:53Z stassats: is it even worth salvaging the IO system or a new one should be just rolled out from scratch?
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2017-07-24T14:04:52Z stassats: something's wrong with unbound variables
2017-07-24T14:05:57Z stassats: (safety 0), fair enough
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2017-07-27T14:29:50Z pkhuong: that's how complex floats are passed.
2017-07-27T14:30:16Z pkhuong: otherwise you can just pretend that a complex type is a struct { float r; float i; }
2017-07-27T14:40:21Z stylewarning: Passing that by value is pushing two floats onto the stack I guess. I suppose I know nothing about ABIs
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2017-07-29T09:07:28Z Posterdati^2: hi
2017-07-29T09:07:45Z Posterdati^2: please I have a problem compiling the latest sbcl from git
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2017-07-29T09:08:11Z flip214: Posterdati^2: ENODATA. which OS, which architecture, which git commit, etc.
2017-07-29T09:08:23Z Posterdati^2: flip214, hi
2017-07-29T09:08:47Z Posterdati^2: flip214, debian jessie, amd64
2017-07-29T09:09:07Z flip214: okay, I'm trying 63349f365713aa6b19fa97ab2761775406879a07 on Debian amd64 now
2017-07-29T09:09:25Z Posterdati^2: /tmp/sbcl-git-build/build/src/runtime/traceroot.c:79: undefined reference to `instance_classoid_name'
2017-07-29T09:09:45Z Posterdati^2: shall I miss any system libs?
2017-07-29T09:13:02Z flip214: one sec
2017-07-29T09:13:06Z flip214: still building
2017-07-29T09:13:09Z Posterdati^2: ok
2017-07-29T09:13:21Z Posterdati^2: amd64?
2017-07-29T09:13:31Z flip214: right
2017-07-29T09:13:38Z Posterdati^2: does it work?
2017-07-29T09:13:57Z flip214: building contribs now, so looks good for me.
2017-07-29T09:14:09Z flip214: please paste the last 100 lines somewhere.
2017-07-29T09:14:51Z flip214: do you have a src/runtime/print.o ?
2017-07-29T09:15:03Z flip214: "make clean" does help?
2017-07-29T09:15:17Z flip214: my build line is
2017-07-29T09:15:19Z flip214: # SBCL_MAKE_JOBS=-j3 SBCL_MAKE_PARALLEL=3 nice -10 bash make.sh --fancy
2017-07-29T09:16:19Z Posterdati^2: compiling with your build line
2017-07-29T09:17:11Z Posterdati^2: seems it is working
2017-07-29T09:18:11Z flip214: so perhaps the "--fancy" became mandatory for some reason
2017-07-29T09:18:16Z Posterdati^2: ok
2017-07-29T09:18:26Z Posterdati^2: I'm using a script that someone gave me here
2017-07-29T09:19:04Z Posterdati^2: which downloads the latest git, compiles it and finally installs the compiled sbcl
2017-07-29T09:19:40Z Posterdati^2: flip214, are you running linux?
2017-07-29T09:19:53Z Posterdati^2: it is performing tests now!
2017-07-29T09:19:58Z Posterdati^2: finished
2017-07-29T09:20:54Z flip214: not only linux, but even Debian - so the results should be easily transferable to your system.
2017-07-29T09:21:25Z flip214: what's your build lisp? clisp, or do you have another sbcl installed?
2017-07-29T09:21:48Z Posterdati^2: I have the 1.3.19 downloaded form official page
2017-07-29T09:22:37Z flip214: the sources, or the binary?
2017-07-29T09:22:46Z Posterdati^2: binary
2017-07-29T09:24:08Z flip214: without --fancy it works for me, too
2017-07-29T09:24:49Z flip214: perhaps the sources you have need two compile runs to work, eg. because of a missing dependency or so
2017-07-29T09:27:13Z Posterdati^2: I cloned from https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl
2017-07-29T09:27:39Z flip214: me too
2017-07-29T09:30:45Z Posterdati^2: now, why the sequence #p"**/*" make sbcl fall into ldb while inside a .lisp file?
2017-07-29T09:32:14Z Posterdati^2: http://paste.lisp.org/display/351932
2017-07-29T09:33:09Z Posterdati^2: http://paste.lisp.org/display/351932#1
2017-07-29T09:33:28Z flip214: :UTF-8 c-string decoding error: the octet sequence #(192) cannot be decoded
2017-07-29T09:33:39Z Posterdati^2: which is **/*
2017-07-29T09:33:59Z flip214: looks like you have filenames with bytes >\x80 in them, but not valid utf8
2017-07-29T09:34:10Z Posterdati^2: no
2017-07-29T09:34:18Z Posterdati^2: it is there isn't
2017-07-29T09:34:23Z Posterdati^2: sorry
2017-07-29T09:34:27Z Posterdati^2: no there isnàt
2017-07-29T09:36:19Z Posterdati^2: ok
2017-07-29T09:37:08Z flip214: # find . | grep "$(printf \\x80)"
2017-07-29T09:37:14Z flip214: see if there's a result
2017-07-29T09:37:23Z flip214: bbl
2017-07-29T09:40:47Z Posterdati^2: thanks for help I found the problem
2017-07-29T09:45:42Z Posterdati^2: gsll is broken again! :)
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2017-07-30T10:40:12Z stassats: huh, FDEFINITION conses
2017-07-30T10:41:08Z stassats: %coerce-name-to-fun, specifically, this is bad
2017-07-30T10:49:22Z stassats: due to the restarts, even when they are not involved
2017-07-30T10:49:39Z stassats: i can break out the restart stuff into a function, but why is it consing
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2017-07-30T11:08:02Z stassats: this seems familiar, closures being allocated before they are actually used
2017-07-30T11:10:20Z stassats: (defun bar (x) (setf x x) (or x (lambda () x))) conses
2017-07-30T11:10:29Z stassats: when X is T
2017-07-30T11:10:35Z stassats: caused by (setf x x)
2017-07-30T11:13:55Z stassats: so it creates a value cell even if the closure is not reached
2017-07-30T11:13:59Z stassats: that kinda makes sense
2017-07-30T11:15:37Z stassats: but could be better, (setf x x) is done only once, no need for a value cell
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2017-07-30T11:31:35Z stassats: will fix FDEFINITION consing after the freeze...
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2017-07-30T18:17:59Z stylewarning: Is this right? (type-of (values)) => NULL
2017-07-30T18:20:48Z |3b|: looks right to me
2017-07-30T18:20:54Z |3b|: clhs type-of
2017-07-30T18:20:55Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_tp_of.htm
2017-07-30T18:21:42Z |3b|: TYPE-OF is a function, so (values) passes NIL to the function, and the type of NIL is NULL
2017-07-30T18:23:02Z |3b|: (not really sbcl specific though, so better question for #lisp, if that wasn't enough explanation)
2017-07-30T18:23:33Z stylewarning: i see thanks
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2017-07-31T08:29:06Z schweers: I have a (hopefully) short question: why does (namestring (make-pathname :defaults #P"foo.bar.5113/" :name "spam.egg")) throw an error like this: "too many dots in the name: ~S"?
2017-07-31T08:29:16Z schweers: it works on clisp, but not on sbcl
2017-07-31T08:36:50Z scymtym: schweers: that pathname has no namestring. try omitting the outer NAMESTRING call
2017-07-31T08:37:21Z schweers: I see that, yet I need it, as a library I’m interfacing doesn’t use pathnames
2017-07-31T08:37:48Z schweers: I’ve found a way to solve this: instead of :name "spam.egg" I use :name "spam" :type "egg"
2017-07-31T08:37:57Z schweers: which, as far as I can tell, is better anyway
2017-07-31T08:38:36Z schweers: out of curiosity: why is there no namestring in this case?
2017-07-31T08:38:43Z scymtym: depends on what your original example was intended to demonstrate
2017-07-31T08:39:15Z schweers: well, the "egg" part is the type extension if you will
2017-07-31T08:39:26Z scymtym: (make-pathname :name "spam.egg") and (make-pathname :name "spam" :type "egg") would have the same namestring
2017-07-31T08:39:40Z scymtym: then :type "egg" seems ok
2017-07-31T08:40:01Z schweers: (make-pathname :name "spam.egg") yields a pathname object with no namestring
2017-07-31T08:40:09Z schweers: and I wonder why
2017-07-31T08:40:48Z scymtym: see comment about identical namestring above (pathname (namestring <your pathname>)) wouldn't roundtrip
2017-07-31T08:41:59Z scymtym: for interfacing with other programs or libraries, SB-EXT:NATIVE-NAMESTRING or UIOP:NATIVE-NAMESTRING may be more appropriate. should also allow for dots in the :name component, in case you need that despite moving "egg" into the :type
2017-07-31T08:42:49Z Shinmera: How would you produce the namestring for a file with multiple dots in its full filename? Or is that "not intended to be possible" for the non-native-namestring?
2017-07-31T08:44:50Z scymtym: Shinmera: i think that is not a problem as long as you also have a type
2017-07-31T08:45:36Z Shinmera: Ah, right. Dots in the name work if there's a type.
2017-07-31T08:46:37Z scymtym: yeah, you just can't have arbitrary "splits" like you may want for "my.file.tar.gz", for example
2017-07-31T08:46:37Z schweers: I just tried that, seems to be the case
2017-07-31T08:55:15Z phoe_: Can I somehow measure CPU usage of individual threads in SBCL?
2017-07-31T08:59:12Z flip214: phoe_: "htop" on linux, for example.
2017-07-31T08:59:32Z flip214: but (time ...) only shows CPU time for the current thread anyway, AFAIU
2017-07-31T08:59:40Z flip214: so that might be even easier
2017-07-31T09:00:28Z phoe_: flip214: I actually want to solve a different problem: if I have multiple threads, and one of them goes into a loop, I need to figure out which one did
2017-07-31T09:00:36Z phoe_: So I can kill only the offending thread.
2017-07-31T09:00:54Z schweers: flip214: (time ...) has reported more than 100% and more cpu time than real time, doesn’t that indicate that time does not only report the time of the current thread?
2017-07-31T09:01:50Z flip214: phoe_: "htop" would fill that usecase.
2017-07-31T09:02:45Z flip214: or do (sb-thread:interrupt-thread) for each of them and observe if CPU use goes down...
2017-07-31T09:04:52Z flip214: or look at /proc/self/task/<tid>/sched to see which thread is misbehaving (from the SBCL process)
2017-07-31T09:06:11Z flip214: a simple "htop" replacement might be # watch -d grep se.vruntime /proc/<pid of sbcl>/task/*/sched
2017-07-31T09:11:15Z phoe_: flip214: thanks!
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2017-07-31T09:45:13Z flip214: you're welcome!
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2017-07-31T12:58:21Z phoe_: In which order are files inside /src/code/ compiled? Is there a file that describes this?
2017-07-31T13:00:28Z whoman just downloaded the source, gonna help figure that out =)
2017-07-31T13:08:29Z scymtym: phoe_: build-order.lisp-expr controls this. however, the files are compiled multiple times with variations between compilation phases
2017-07-31T13:10:22Z phoe_: scymtym: where is that file located? I can't find it with a quick glance at /src/
2017-07-31T13:10:45Z scymtym: project root directory
2017-07-31T13:11:05Z phoe_: scymtym: yes - thanks!
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2017-07-31T13:15:18Z phoe_: Where is the SBCL compilation process, including compilation phases, describe?
2017-07-31T13:16:26Z scymtym: phoe_: have you read http://research.gold.ac.uk/2336/ ? if not, i recommend doing that first
2017-07-31T13:17:01Z scymtym: implemented in make*.{sh.lisp}
2017-07-31T13:17:51Z phoe_: scymtym: I have read that once - time to read it again
2017-07-31T13:18:05Z phoe_: Thanks - I actually forgot about that paper
2017-07-31T13:18:36Z whoman: if we were playing for keeps you would be fired
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2017-07-31T14:13:50Z phoe_: Is there some implementation-defined way of writing "constructor" functions for conditions? like, something that will trigger the moment one calls a MAKE-CONDITION?
2017-07-31T14:17:48Z phoe_: If there's an implementation-defined way of declaring constructors for conditions in SBCL, I might actually make a portability library that serves this purpose.
2017-07-31T14:18:02Z phoe_: I want the equivalent of http://paste.lisp.org/display/352149
2017-07-31T14:18:25Z phoe_: (which is from CCL which has conditions as standard-objects)
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2017-07-31T14:38:29Z phoe_: I can see no obvious means of doing this in the source in https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl/blob/bb1e50f538da92593b4302603ccb2bc173bdef2d/src/code/condition.lisp#L209 .
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2017-07-31T15:12:47Z Xof: happy sbcl release day
2017-07-31T15:12:57Z Xof: one day ahead of mailman day, so hooray
2017-07-31T15:20:07Z phoe_: yay!
2017-07-31T15:26:53Z leah2: nice
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2017-07-31T20:04:44Z Xof: yes indeed
2017-07-31T20:04:48Z Xof: even though I am "on holiday"
2017-07-31T20:05:05Z Xof: blah blah no recognition for all my hard work blah blah :-)
2017-07-31T20:05:46Z Shinmera: I observed some odd/annoying behaviour on Windows today. Synchronisation between two threads through a condition variable seems incredibly slow (~200ms!) is this a known problem?
2017-07-31T20:05:48Z Xof: (I do very little hard work on sbcl.  Pressing the "release" button is pretty easy)
2017-07-31T20:07:37Z Xof: would anyone like an x86/linux binary?
2017-07-31T20:14:09Z Xof: (can I remember how to do this?)
2017-07-31T20:16:14Z Xof: just doing ls in /home/pfs/project/s/sb/sbcl/sbcl gives a feeling of "how long have we been doing this!?"
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2017-07-31T20:26:50Z foom: I am amused that you have so many projects that you need to shard them in 2 levels.
2017-07-31T20:28:03Z foom: oh nvm, that's sourceforge's homedir, not yours, isn't it. :)
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2017-07-31T20:42:21Z Xof: yeah
2017-07-31T20:42:43Z Xof: I am not quite /that/ OCD
2017-07-31T20:43:01Z Xof: the ls fills up an 80x25 terminal
2017-07-31T20:43:16Z Xof: I wonder if I should try to build a windows binary
2017-07-31T20:43:18Z Xof: tomorrow maybe
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2017-07-31T20:44:19Z Xof: unless stassats beats me to it
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