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2017-01-02T10:20:23Z flip214_: does somebody know why ubuntu is stuck on sbcl 1.3.3, even on zesty?
2017-01-02T10:52:28Z stassats: so, turns out the reason for 32 bit sbcl not being to map any large dynamic spaces is due to gcc
2017-01-02T10:52:50Z stassats: newer gcc maps code and heap higher
2017-01-02T10:54:28Z stassats: even with relocatable cores that reduces contiguous available space
2017-01-02T10:56:15Z stassats: with gcc 4.6 i can use 3800MB
2017-01-02T10:56:26Z stassats: just about as good as it can get
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2017-01-02T11:40:02Z christoph_debian: flip214_: because patched
2017-01-02T11:41:43Z christoph_debian: and once they start patching stuff it needs one of them to manually approve any changes
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2017-01-02T11:45:55Z flip214_: christoph_debian: thanks... I expected something like "the maintainer got disinterested" or similar
2017-01-02T11:46:15Z stassats: no-pie is always needed
2017-01-02T11:46:37Z christoph_debian: flip214_: there's usually no maintainer in ubuntu
2017-01-02T11:46:48Z christoph_debian: patches get added in a drive-by fashion
2017-01-02T11:46:54Z stassats: that's why i can't use large dynamic space sizes
2017-01-02T11:47:00Z christoph_debian: and removed the same way
2017-01-02T11:47:23Z stassats: the linker scripts for pie starts the text segment at some unknown location
2017-01-02T11:47:42Z flip214_: I guess that the debian package will work just as well, and that's nearly up-to-date thanks to YOU! ;)
2017-01-02T11:48:18Z christoph_debian: trying to do .13 tonight btw (-:
2017-01-02T11:48:33Z stassats: i just need to know if the c compiler can accept -no-pie
2017-01-02T11:48:40Z christoph_debian: if that works out great I can probably also try and get it moved to ubuntu .. not sure about the timing
2017-01-02T11:49:25Z flip214_: christoph_debian: typically that works without any problems. should be fairly easy for sbcl, which has nearly no dependencies.
2017-01-02T11:49:34Z flip214_: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)
2017-01-02T11:49:52Z flip214_: these should be possible on ubuntu, too...
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2017-01-02T12:23:30Z stassats: so, cheneygc on ppc can't start with ds larger than 300MB
2017-01-02T12:24:07Z stassats: yet it has the nice property of moving anything into read only space
2017-01-02T12:24:54Z stassats: (i.e. unusable)
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2017-01-02T12:49:44Z `JRG: hello guys, on Windows it looks like #\Newline is still LF,  isn't it?
2017-01-02T12:50:14Z scymtym: `JRG: yes (see #lisp)
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2017-01-02T12:51:24Z `JRG: this is a pain in the neck when converting lisp files from unix to dos, as some of them may not compile anymore after the conversion
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2017-01-02T12:51:41Z `JRG: think about the tilde-newline format directive
2017-01-02T12:51:42Z stassats: easy, just don't convert them
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2017-01-02T12:52:40Z `JRG: easy, sure, but from a logical standpoint, I don't feel like changing the EOL should break a lisp file
2017-01-02T12:53:07Z scymtym: making newline encoding a part of the external-format something i plan to improve in sbcl, though
2017-01-02T12:53:26Z stassats: `JRG: you're not the first one to notice that
2017-01-02T12:57:17Z `JRG: stassats: ok... which means it's time to fiddle with my git configuration (as it just loves to push everything as CRLF)
2017-01-02T12:57:33Z stassats: yes, some git on windows does that
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2017-01-02T20:25:11Z christoph_debian: hm -no-pic is now automatically set on x86 only?
2017-01-02T20:25:20Z christoph_debian: -no-pie
2017-01-02T20:25:26Z stassats: everywhere
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2017-01-02T20:25:58Z nyef: Because pie crusts contain wheat, and wheat is bad for you. d-:
2017-01-02T20:26:40Z christoph_debian: sounds great! sbcl-1.3.12-98-g32fe3b5 seems to be x86_32 only and there's no such thing in e.g. Config.arm64-linux so I was wondering
2017-01-02T20:27:33Z christoph_debian: (where arm64-linux was a random sample
2017-01-02T20:27:35Z christoph_debian: )
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2017-01-02T21:24:41Z leah2: i have a recent intel box where 32-bit sbcl 1.2.7 says on a x86_64 linux:
2017-01-02T21:24:43Z leah2: fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 19834(tid 4158269184:(
2017-01-02T21:24:45Z leah2: unexpected return from initial thread in main()
2017-01-02T21:25:04Z leah2: the binary works on other machines tho
2017-01-02T21:25:17Z leah2: backtrace in ldb makes it segfault
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2017-01-02T21:31:05Z leah2: hm, possibly its a kernel 4.9 thing
2017-01-02T21:31:30Z scymtym: leah2: does this also happen with newer SBCL versions?
2017-01-02T21:31:40Z leah2: let me look for a newer 32 bit one
2017-01-02T21:31:57Z leah2: the 64bit ones run fine btw
2017-01-02T21:32:34Z christoph_debian: vsyscall?
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2017-01-02T21:33:07Z leah2: ah
2017-01-02T21:33:12Z leah2: i think we tweaked that
2017-01-02T21:33:48Z christoph_debian: iirc that changed from emulate to none recently and broke some rather old libc
2017-01-02T21:34:00Z christoph_debian: *the default
2017-01-02T21:34:06Z leah2: same for 1.3.12 x86
2017-01-02T21:34:21Z leah2: -CONFIG_LEGACY_VSYSCALL_EMULATE=y
2017-01-02T21:34:25Z leah2: +CONFIG_LEGACY_VSYSCALL_NONE=y
2017-01-02T21:34:28Z leah2: -CONFIG_MODIFY_LDT_SYSCALL=y
2017-01-02T21:34:32Z leah2: good point
2017-01-02T21:34:57Z nyef: ... Don't we need the modify-ldt syscall for threads?
2017-01-02T21:35:09Z nyef: On 32-bit x86, at least?
2017-01-02T21:35:31Z christoph_debian: leah2: if you're using the pre-built binaries .. rebuilding sbcl might already help
2017-01-02T21:35:52Z leah2: i see modify_ldt(0, 0x807e680, 65536)         = 0
2017-01-02T21:35:59Z leah2: christoph_debian: the 1.3.12 was rebuilt
2017-01-02T21:36:04Z leah2: on the 4.8 one
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2017-01-02T21:39:37Z leah2: seems Go uses set_thread_area now
2017-01-02T21:41:13Z nyef: New in Linux 2.5.29, apparently?
2017-01-02T21:41:49Z leah2: do you support linux 2.4?
2017-01-02T21:42:06Z leah2: https://github.com/golang/go/commit/0f86d1edfb87fddb2c7f50d177b67f48219151f3 unfortunately its assembly
2017-01-02T21:42:17Z nyef: IIRC, not for threads, and possibly not at all.
2017-01-02T21:42:41Z nyef: But I could be wrong.
2017-01-02T21:43:34Z leah2 ponders disabling threads on 32-bit
2017-01-02T21:43:41Z christoph_debian: sbcl build fails for me on arm64 btw: -> https://pbot.rmdir.de/MHH7Q4KOGx8QgsOIvJPbHA
2017-01-02T21:45:31Z christoph_debian: was about to say with and without actually patching in the pie stuff but actually didn't apply the patch before the second build
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2017-01-02T22:45:13Z christoph_debian: stassats: seems at least in .13 -no-pic is not set (at least not on arm64 but I also suspect other non-x86 linuxes
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2017-01-02T22:45:35Z christoph_debian: ah but since then
2017-01-02T22:45:52Z christoph_debian: g3403dba
2017-01-02T22:47:56Z christoph_debian: aeh 3403dbaffc0a9bab49b78cf0bb5308cce0a0c153
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2017-01-03T18:44:22Z flip214_: christoph_debian: I don't look for one second, and you get 1.3.13 in debian unstable without me noticing!
2017-01-03T18:44:25Z flip214_: thank you very much.
2017-01-03T18:44:46Z flip214_: >    is a fasl file compiled with SBCL 1.3.13.debian, and can't be loaded into SBCL 1.3.11.debian.
2017-01-03T18:44:53Z flip214_: is how I noticed right now
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2017-01-03T23:03:41Z Fare: hi
2017-01-03T23:16:54Z Fare: Who shall I ping to get this forward? https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1500628
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2017-01-03T23:27:15Z dougk_: I'll look at it.  I don't have a desktop computer yet.
2017-01-03T23:28:43Z dougk_: or rather, had I opened my physical move ticket last year then it might already have gotten moved, but since I didn't, it isn't
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2017-01-03T23:43:16Z nyef: I have no objection to this patch provided that the system still builds on non-x86oids, non-ppc.
2017-01-03T23:43:31Z nyef: ... Wait, there's explicit support for ppc darwin in this thing? What?
2017-01-03T23:46:40Z nyef: Basically, as long as it doesn't break any of the less-usual platforms, I don't care. (-:
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2017-01-04T00:06:15Z foom: PPC darwin support is being removed from Clang now, even. :p
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2017-01-04T16:19:25Z sebboh: hi all.  I hope you've already seen this: https://github.com/Shinmera/sbcl-logo
2017-01-04T16:19:37Z sebboh: and discussion on https://github.com/Shinmera/sbcl-logo/issues/1
2017-01-04T16:20:25Z Shinmera: sebboh: There's a ticket on launchpad. https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1644984
2017-01-04T16:20:45Z sebboh: ah
2017-01-04T16:21:47Z sebboh: So, some internal part of sbcl is called python?
2017-01-04T16:22:10Z Shinmera: More specifically, the compiler that comes from CMUCL is called Python.
2017-01-04T16:26:31Z sebboh: Hi, Shinmera.  I like your Portacle project, I think.  I already have emacs+sbcl+quicklisp+git on all my machines, so I haven't tried it yet.  But it seems reasonable. :)
2017-01-04T16:27:22Z Shinmera: I just wish people didn't spread it around on social media yet because it's quite severely broken on some configurations.
2017-01-04T16:28:10Z sebboh: Then alter the gh-pages content now, slap a BETA tag on there.
2017-01-04T16:28:53Z sebboh: Because it's currently on the front page of that silly orange "news" site.
2017-01-04T16:28:59Z Shinmera: Yeah, I know.
2017-01-04T16:33:49Z sebboh: https://jsfiddle.net/p4s62L2k/
2017-01-04T16:33:51Z sebboh: BETA
2017-01-04T16:34:20Z Shinmera: I prefer a big 'ol red box.
2017-01-04T16:35:48Z sebboh: However you like it, link it to a github issue describing the problems you are aware of.
2017-01-04T16:38:18Z sebboh: That works. :)
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2017-01-04T20:34:31Z quadresce: Is there an easy way to get the # of bytes available?
2017-01-04T20:34:48Z quadresce: (free bytes on the heap usable for allocation)
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2017-01-04T20:41:43Z Shinmera: quadresce: sb-kernel:dynamic-usage says how many bytes are used, and sb-ext:dynamic-space-size will tell you how much there is in total.
2017-01-04T20:42:05Z quadresce: ah, thanks
2017-01-04T20:51:05Z nyef: This doesn't mean that allocating all of that space is *safe*, of course: You could get killed due to overcommit, or choke come GC time.
2017-01-04T20:51:37Z nyef: ... And the contiguous space available for a single allocation is another question entirely.
2017-01-04T20:51:38Z quadresce: nyef, Yep, understood. I just want to create a kludy solution to checking if a really large allocation is even probable.
2017-01-04T20:51:49Z quadresce: kludgy
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2017-01-04T21:37:34Z pkhuong: maybe you don't want the lisp heap for that allocation ;)
2017-01-04T21:37:42Z pkhuong: (almost definitely)
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2017-01-04T22:05:06Z dougk__: I'm removing (one of) the 15-year-old kludges from print.lisp. Not bad.
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2017-01-06T18:57:42Z Shinmera: I'm running something like this on a tcp-stream: (loop for char = (read-char stream) while (find char *whitespace*) finally (unread-char char stream)) and sometimes I get an error "Value -1 is not of type SB-INT:INDEX" within the unread-char call. Am I doing something obvious wrong?
2017-01-06T19:03:07Z nyef`: No, that seems reasonable.
2017-01-06T19:03:36Z nyef`: I have to wonder if we can reproduce that with a carefully-crafted disk file.
2017-01-06T19:04:07Z Shinmera: It's coming from within fd-stream-misc-routine
2017-01-06T19:05:53Z nyef`: I expected as much. Essentially, it's presuming that there is buffer space before the current character/byte to unread into.
2017-01-06T19:06:09Z nyef`: So if the buffer was *just* filled, no go.
2017-01-06T19:07:39Z Shinmera: I'm running this on a local tcp client/server thing. Not sure how much I can do, but it seems to happen often enough to not be extremely elusive.
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2017-01-07T09:26:09Z Posterdati: hi
2017-01-07T09:26:46Z Posterdati: I compiled the latest git version for sbcl and I've got this for instantiated objects: #<unknown pointer object, lowtag=#x3 {1002E4CC13}>
2017-01-07T09:27:07Z Posterdati: instead of, for example: #<CONDOMINIUM-ACCOUNTING-SYSTEM::DATABASE-DESCRIPTOR {10026AE233}>
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2017-01-07T09:47:26Z Shinmera: nyef`: Never mind, I was doing something dumb, namely reading from the stream from two threads simultaneously. I had completely forgotten about the background thread.
2017-01-07T09:47:52Z Shinmera: Lesson learned (again): late-night coding is never productive
2017-01-07T10:03:27Z Posterdati: did you changed the way sbcl names objects?
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2017-01-07T12:23:24Z scymtym: Posterdati: i believe printing of STANDARD-OBJECT instances was broken for a short time
2017-01-07T12:24:02Z scymtym: please retry with a new build of the current master
2017-01-07T12:28:50Z Posterdati: ok
2017-01-07T12:28:53Z Posterdati: thanks
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2017-01-07T12:43:40Z flip214: I get "WARNING: Function is not TRACEd" when trying to trace via swank...
2017-01-07T12:44:03Z flip214: it's a simple generic function with one argument
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2017-01-07T14:21:57Z scymtym: flip214: i briefly tried with M-x slime-toggle-trace-fdefinition RET GF-NAME RET but that worked as expected. can you give a detailed recipe for reproducing the problem?
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2017-01-07T14:57:14Z flip214: scymtym: not sure whether it's reproducible.
2017-01-07T14:57:27Z flip214: even if it happens again... what info would you like?
2017-01-07T14:58:06Z flip214: and for 2 other functions TRACE was active, and for a fourth one I could activate it.
2017-01-07T14:59:15Z scymtym: flip214: anything that lets us reproduce the problem. mainly details regarding the generic function, i guess
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2017-01-07T15:04:57Z scymtym: flip214: the error message you mentioned, "WARNING: Function is not TRACEd", only appears in the code for UNTRACE (can be called from other paths, though). is it possible that you accidentally tried to UNTRACE a function that wasn't TRACEd
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2017-01-07T15:50:02Z flip214: scymtym: I tried to trace it, thought I didn't give the command, so did the trace command again...
2017-01-07T15:50:23Z flip214: and I guess that slimv does UNTRACE on the second try, which might have caused the message.
2017-01-07T15:50:35Z flip214: but a silent failure to trace - what could I debug here?
2017-01-07T15:50:58Z flip214: this is a ~3200 lines system, so trying to cut down (even if it is reproducible!) would take some time
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2017-01-07T16:17:20Z scymtym: flip214: ok, thanks for looking into it. if you have some motivation left, you could put a (break) into UNTRACE-1 in ntrace.lisp before the (warn "Function is not TRACEd: ~S" function-or-name) line and wait for it to happen again
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2017-01-08T12:37:28Z scymtym: does this look reasonable? http://paste.lisp.org/display/336036
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2017-01-10T10:15:22Z scymtym: i saw (make-array 0 :element-type SOME-TYPE :adjustable t) signal a style warning because the default initial element was not of type SOME-TYPE. i would like to not signal the warning for empty arrays since the initial element is not used in that case. does this look reasonable? http://paste.lisp.org/display/336036
2017-01-10T10:17:11Z stassats: scymtym: is that only for adjustable?
2017-01-10T10:19:01Z scymtym: the original warning or my change?
2017-01-10T10:19:07Z stassats: both?
2017-01-10T10:19:23Z scymtym: i would have guessed neither, but let me try
2017-01-10T10:20:25Z scymtym: the original warning may only be for adjustable given that i did not notice this earlier
2017-01-10T10:21:01Z scymtym: (compile nil '(lambda () (make-array 0 :element-type 'string))) also signals the warning
2017-01-10T10:21:09Z stassats: but adjustable t behaviour has changed
2017-01-10T10:21:54Z scymtym: seems to have no bearing on the warning. in what way did it change, i forgot
2017-01-10T10:22:16Z scymtym: :adjustable t or not seems to have no bearing, that is
2017-01-10T10:23:38Z scymtym: do you agree with the complaint that a warning for on an implied initial element that is not used is bad?
2017-01-10T10:24:21Z stassats: sure, just that it's not always consistent
2017-01-10T10:25:34Z scymtym: can you explain?
2017-01-10T10:26:08Z stassats: can't always know if it's used or not
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2017-01-10T10:28:53Z scymtym: you mean for (make-array NON-CONSTANT …)?
2017-01-10T10:28:56Z stassats: and currently, for simple arrays, type derivation is also inconsistent
2017-01-10T10:29:09Z stassats: (let ((a (make-array '(10 20) :element-type 'list))) (setf (aref a 0 1) 10)) => warning
2017-01-10T10:29:17Z stassats: (let ((a (make-array '10 :element-type 'list))) (setf (aref a 0) 10))
2017-01-10T10:29:36Z stassats: probably because there's an explosion of make array transfroms and even a source transform
2017-01-10T10:31:03Z scymtym: i see, but i consider a warning for those SETFs a separate problem
2017-01-10T10:31:07Z stassats: scymtym: could you look into that too?
2017-01-10T10:31:23Z scymtym: maybe, but not immediately
2017-01-10T10:31:33Z stassats: i think it's just a matter of THE
2017-01-10T10:31:37Z stassats: or truly-the
2017-01-10T10:31:58Z Xof: http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/26_glo_e.htm#expressed_array_element_type
2017-01-10T10:31:58Z scymtym: for your examples, i get the "The default initial element 0 is not a LIST." warning in both cases. did you get it as well?
2017-01-10T10:32:01Z Xof: neat
2017-01-10T10:32:59Z stassats: scymtym: no the default style-warning, but the setf warning
2017-01-10T10:34:39Z scymtym: yes, the first example produces the default i-e style warning and a full warning while the second example only produces the default i-e style warning
2017-01-10T10:36:10Z scymtym: my proposed changes would not change that. after committing the change, i can try to figure out why the second example does not signal the full warning
2017-01-10T10:36:17Z scymtym: that's the plan, right?
2017-01-10T10:36:19Z stassats: argh
2017-01-10T10:36:24Z stassats: i struck the transform again
2017-01-10T10:36:42Z stassats: different behaviour from the source transform and the ir1 transform
2017-01-10T10:39:30Z stassats: (let ((a (make-array '(10 20) :element-type 'list :fill-pointer nil))) (setf (aref a 0 3) 10))
2017-01-10T10:39:36Z stassats: no warnings at all
2017-01-10T10:39:41Z scymtym: Xof: too bad it doesn't say anything about whether array type should be treated as co-, contra- or invariant or about the permitted analysis in general
2017-01-10T10:39:45Z stassats: because the list ir1-transform is used
2017-01-10T10:40:17Z stassats: scymtym: well, you can't lie to the compiler
2017-01-10T10:40:32Z stassats: and adjust-array can't change the type
2017-01-10T10:43:39Z stassats: or rather, no transform is used with fill-pointer nil
2017-01-10T10:44:15Z stassats: and oops, even make-array 10 :fill-pointer nil goes to a full call
2017-01-10T10:44:25Z stassats: even though :fill-pointer t is transformed
2017-01-10T10:45:50Z scymtym: should i defer my change given that we apparently have more things to sort out?
2017-01-10T10:46:04Z stassats: you can go ahead
2017-01-10T10:46:10Z scymtym: ok
2017-01-10T10:49:03Z stassats: the fix for fill-pointer nil or adjustable nil is trivial, but i'll wait for your changes
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2017-01-10T10:50:45Z scymtym: thanks, running tests now
2017-01-10T10:50:47Z stassats: but other than that, i'm not willing to touch the make array transforms because it's a mess
2017-01-10T10:50:54Z scymtym: i agree
2017-01-10T10:51:21Z stassats: largely because of two slightly different code paths
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2017-01-10T11:00:54Z scymtym is also investigating a memory corruption related to ctor cache population, but has trouble narrowing it down
2017-01-10T11:01:29Z stassats: how does it look?
2017-01-10T11:03:45Z scymtym: hang on
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2017-01-10T11:08:53Z scymtym: stassats: http://paste.lisp.org/display/336244
2017-01-10T11:10:12Z stassats: that can't be because of load-time-value not using value cells, can it?
2017-01-10T11:11:48Z scymtym: stassats: i haven't found out anything yet (and only looked very briefly). the potentially unusual thing is that a class constructed via (make-instance 'standard-class …) is involved
2017-01-10T11:12:32Z stassats: oh, i think layout location has changed
2017-01-10T11:12:42Z scymtym: i'm running out of time for now (some things to finish before a meeting in ~ 2 h), but can get back to this later
2017-01-10T11:13:27Z scymtym: threads.pure.lisp / DEADLOCK-DETECTION.1 failed
2017-01-10T11:13:33Z scymtym: is that one known to be flaky?
2017-01-10T11:13:38Z stassats: not really
2017-01-10T11:13:53Z scymtym: that's what i thought
2017-01-10T11:14:07Z scymtym: worked when only running threads.impure.lisp
2017-01-10T11:14:12Z scymtym: hm
2017-01-10T11:14:37Z stassats: as is always the case
2017-01-10T11:15:45Z scymtym: i can't imagine how the warning stuff in the MAKE-ARRAY transform could influence that particular thing, but running tests again
2017-01-10T11:20:37Z scymtym: btw. frame 13 in the paste looks wrong. coverage.lisp is a script driving the test suite. unlikely that it appearing as the source location for that frame is correct
2017-01-10T11:23:33Z scymtym: this time, threads.pure.lisp / DEADLOCK-DETECTION.1 worked when run with everything else
2017-01-10T11:23:45Z stassats: that's what i expected
2017-01-10T11:24:06Z scymtym: yeah, unfortunately
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2017-01-10T11:25:50Z scymtym: i guess i will just have to assume that it's unrelated to my change and push
2017-01-10T11:29:58Z scymtym: pushed
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2017-01-10T20:54:48Z dougk_: scymtym: you fixed one half of https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1060724. If you fixed the other half two as a "drive-by shooting", then we can mark it resolved. (I don't know if you did)
2017-01-10T20:55:01Z dougk_: s/two/too
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2017-01-10T21:27:45Z scymtym: dougk_: didn't know about that. reading
2017-01-10T21:28:16Z scymtym: btw, did the ir1 visualizer work for you?
2017-01-10T21:29:24Z dougk_: have not tried yet. will do
2017-01-10T21:30:09Z dougk_: also btw another recent style-warning: (make-array 5 :element-type 'standard-char) used to not warn. Now it (rightly) warns because the express type is incompatible with the self-selected #\Nul default element
2017-01-10T21:30:45Z dougk_: not sure if we care to select a different default, like #\Space, which actually has overhead because 0-fill is free
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2017-01-11T09:57:14Z Xof: I'm currently planning an early freeze (say Friday, or maybe Sunday) for release next Friday
2017-01-11T09:57:19Z Xof: shout if this is horrible
2017-01-11T10:11:40Z scymtym: i have given up on making pattern specializers work in an unpatched SBCL 1.3.14 and writing a paper for ELS, so no complaints from me
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2017-01-11T10:20:55Z Xof: next year
2017-01-11T10:21:54Z Xof: (I'd like to help but am totally submerged.  I have on my whiteboard a list of SBCL projects on which I thought I was going to make progress in 2016...)
2017-01-11T10:22:54Z scymtym: similar for me but with branches instead of whiteboard list items
2017-01-11T10:26:10Z Xof: one step ahead of me :)
2017-01-11T10:27:48Z scymtym: i guess that depends on whether i will eventually manage to merge the code. otherwise i'm a step ahead in wasting my time :)
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2017-01-12T15:58:00Z Xof: christoph_debian: hi.  I'm reading the Debian freeze announcement, where it says that "no new source packages will enter testing"
2017-01-12T15:58:57Z Xof: would sbcl-1.3.14 be a "new source package" or an update to an existing one?
2017-01-12T15:59:52Z flip214_: an update, I hope
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2017-01-12T17:20:51Z Xof: ok
2017-01-12T17:21:02Z Xof: so the plan to release next week gives you a chance to update if necessary
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2017-01-15T18:44:38Z drmeister: Does sbcl have a special tagged pointer to represent aligned C pointers?
2017-01-15T18:45:49Z drmeister: I thought it did but I don't see it described here:   link_intr
2017-01-15T18:45:58Z drmeister: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/doc/sbcl-doc/html/sbcl-internals/Type-tags.html#Type-tags
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2017-01-15T19:04:53Z pkhuong: no.
2017-01-15T19:05:46Z pkhuong: (in the general case; if we have static type information, there is a specialised untagged representation)
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2017-01-16T01:34:34Z libreman: What is the stack layout in SBCL when using `restart-case' and `handler-bind'? Is the 'handler' code executed on top of the stack where `restart-case' was executed or is the stack first unwinded and later restored?
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2017-01-16T01:51:11Z Xach: Hi friends, I don't quite understand the warnings in http://report.quicklisp.org/2017-01-14/failure-report/cl-secure-read.html#cl-secure-read-tests - is the sb-c:xep thing a sign of sbcl error, user code error, or something else?
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2017-01-16T06:06:35Z flip214: libreman: as it should be possible to choose a restart, they'd have to be run with the full stack still available, I guess.
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2017-01-16T09:47:31Z christoph_debian: hm. how are chances of 32bit arm building again with .14 ?
2017-01-16T09:48:15Z christoph_debian: (memory fault in sb-prof
2017-01-16T09:48:17Z christoph_debian: )
2017-01-16T09:48:51Z christoph_debian: ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1636623 )
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2017-01-16T09:51:41Z christoph_debian: ah partially stupid me
2017-01-16T09:51:51Z christoph_debian: or not
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2017-01-16T09:53:50Z christoph_debian: nope properly built with -no-pie
2017-01-16T10:16:36Z flip214: christoph_debian: do you know any status about ppc64 support?
2017-01-16T10:16:47Z flip214: IBM offers some money for that, but AFAIK there's no port yet
2017-01-16T10:16:52Z stassats: i know
2017-01-16T10:16:53Z stassats: nothing
2017-01-16T10:16:58Z stassats: i mean, i know the status
2017-01-16T10:17:04Z stassats: and it's "nothing"
2017-01-16T10:17:19Z stassats: IBM doesn't offer money
2017-01-16T10:17:22Z stassats: they offer to offer money
2017-01-16T10:17:49Z christoph_debian: (-:
2017-01-16T10:27:23Z flip214: stassats: thanks for the confirmation ;[
2017-01-16T10:28:22Z stassats: if they said how much they would pay that would be more encouraging
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2017-01-16T13:11:19Z Xof: christoph_debian: did .13 build?
2017-01-16T13:15:49Z Xach: sorry to repeat myself, but I don't quite understand the warnings in http://report.quicklisp.org/2017-01-14/failure-report/cl-secure-read.html#cl-secure-read-tests - is the sb-c:xep thing a sign of sbcl error, user code error, or something else?
2017-01-16T13:17:02Z christoph_debian: Xof: nope
2017-01-16T13:17:21Z stassats: Xach: user error
2017-01-16T13:17:25Z christoph_debian: also when trying to bisect it down to 1.3.7 I can't build .7 nowadays
2017-01-16T13:17:32Z christoph_debian: so something in the toolchain I fear
2017-01-16T13:17:42Z christoph_debian: (I had a .7 in the past)
2017-01-16T13:19:34Z stassats: Xach: from https://github.com/mabragor/cl-secure-read/blob/master/cl-secure-read.lisp#L59
2017-01-16T13:19:43Z stassats: it uses the same function for set-dispatch-macro-character and set-macro-character
2017-01-16T13:19:47Z stassats: which is obviously wrong
2017-01-16T13:20:20Z Xach: stassats: ok, thanks. the sb-c:xep seemed unusual to me
2017-01-16T13:29:40Z Xof: christoph_debian: right, toolchain, because I definitely built sbcl-1.3.12 on my RPi
2017-01-16T13:29:57Z Xof: which is running Raspbian $old
2017-01-16T13:30:12Z Xof: I'm test building .13 there now.
2017-01-16T13:30:16Z Xof: will report back this evening.
2017-01-16T13:43:40Z stassats: Xach: i'll remove sb-c:xep in the next release
2017-01-16T13:44:08Z stassats: and also handle one more variation of functional arguments
2017-01-16T13:45:02Z stassats: (let ((x (lambda ()))) (find-if x ())) wasn't warning
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2017-01-16T19:08:30Z stassats: creating and modification of multidimensional arrays can cause issues with memory reordering
2017-01-16T19:08:42Z stassats: setting up array headers, specifically
2017-01-16T19:09:41Z stassats: we do insert barriers around pseudo-atomic, this can cause comparable issues
2017-01-16T19:11:14Z stassats: that'd be on ppc and arm64, the platforms with threads and relaxed memory ordering
2017-01-16T19:12:06Z stassats: well, i guess anyone who communicates between threads should be aware of synchronization issues
2017-01-16T19:13:20Z stassats: but we always do it on allocation, otherwise it leads to nasty stuff
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2017-01-17T01:03:53Z Xach: oh no, Problems
2017-01-17T01:36:12Z Xach: filed https://github.com/mmaul/clml/issues/15 - this looks like an old problem newly erroring in sbcl?
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2017-01-18T01:53:37Z psilord: Hello, has anyone recently reported any bug in sbcl 1.3.13 which emits a mssage like: "Lock on package SB-IMPL violated when interning %VECTOR-WIDETAG-AND-N-BITS while in package XXXX" ?
2017-01-18T01:54:09Z psilord: I get it when compiling static-vectors in the most recent quicklisp (with a clean cache, etc, etc, etc).
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2017-01-18T02:10:12Z Xach: psilord: that is a problem that has been fixed in static-vectors and will be in the next quicklisp update
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2017-01-18T02:12:29Z psilord: Xach: it is good that it is fixed, thank you for the info! Is there any workaround except checking out static-vectors into local-projects until the new quicklisp drops?
2017-01-18T02:13:40Z Xach: You could also use an older sbcl.
2017-01-18T02:16:03Z psilord: Ah, cool. I was branch predicting your suggestion and just found out that it worked with an older sbcl. I appreciate your response and time very much thank you!
2017-01-18T02:18:43Z Xach: no problem
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2017-01-19T05:46:13Z quadresce: Has anyone experimented with using SIMD instructions in SBCL?
2017-01-19T05:46:41Z quadresce: Specifically like AVX?
2017-01-19T06:01:42Z flip214: quadresce: does https://www.pvk.ca/Blog/2014/03/15/sbcl-the-ultimate-assembly-code-breadboard/ helpß
2017-01-19T06:01:46Z flip214: help?
2017-01-19T06:02:06Z quadresce: I've read the article, not sure how adventurous I am compared to pvk
2017-01-19T06:02:55Z flip214: what would you use AVX for? number-crunching?
2017-01-19T06:03:20Z quadresce: flip214, yes, I have a lot of (COMPLEX DOUBLE-FLOAT) stuff to optimize.
2017-01-19T06:03:48Z quadresce: I think I'll end up having a very difficult time, because no stack allocation, easy to box stuff, no special instruction support, ...
2017-01-19T06:03:57Z quadresce: But I'd like to avoid at all costs having to use C.
2017-01-19T06:05:15Z flip214: and liblapack etc. won't help, because you're doing "individual" operations?
2017-01-19T06:06:59Z quadresce: I am just doing simple arithmetic on arrays of these values. Nothing too complicated, so it seems to be within the realm of optimization.
2017-01-19T06:08:59Z flip214: well, of course you could be writing these few parts in a separate lisp file, and use ECL to get GCC to optimize it...
2017-01-19T06:09:12Z flip214: that should give you every possible instruction set
2017-01-19T06:09:37Z flip214: and then you'd only have to FFI the .so
2017-01-19T06:15:31Z quadresce: You mean use ECL entirely? Or use ECL specifically for these computations and link to it?
2017-01-19T06:23:04Z flip214: Well, whatever feels easier.
2017-01-19T06:23:33Z flip214: I guess having a .so that gets loaded from SBCL might be easier to compare in a benchmark.
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2017-01-19T06:49:31Z quadresce: flip214, I'd prefer to just make SBCL smarter.
2017-01-19T06:49:53Z quadresce: AREF/AREF -> arithmetic -> SETF should be optimizable
2017-01-19T06:57:38Z flip214: well, go ahead, then!  We'll all be happy about progress, of course.
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2017-01-19T08:08:11Z quadresce: Is there a way to optimize TEST3? http://paste.lisp.org/display/336940
2017-01-19T08:08:23Z quadresce: i.e., get it to not do a call to SQUARE each loop?
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2017-01-19T08:14:47Z flip214: quadresce: sorry, I don't understand you. you want to call SQUARE for each array element, so how should that be avoided?
2017-01-19T08:15:06Z quadresce: By inlining it
2017-01-19T08:15:13Z quadresce: I don't want a CALL instruction to be generated.
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2017-01-19T08:19:28Z whiteline: http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/d_inline.htm
2017-01-19T08:21:21Z quadresce: whiteline, I've read it, it says it could work for LABELS. Indeed, it does work for LABELS.
2017-01-19T08:21:49Z quadresce: But it doesn't seem to when there's an intermediate inline expansion.
2017-01-19T08:22:06Z whiteline: ?
2017-01-19T08:22:33Z whiteline: elaborate
2017-01-19T08:22:41Z quadresce: i.e., (labels ((f ...)) (inline f) (f x)) will inline
2017-01-19T08:23:09Z quadresce: i.e., (labels ((f ...)) (inline f) (g #'f x)) will not inline even when g is declaimed inline
2017-01-19T08:23:24Z whiteline: oh
2017-01-19T08:23:28Z whiteline: no, that cannot inline
2017-01-19T08:23:35Z quadresce: why not?
2017-01-19T08:23:44Z quadresce: it inlines if F is global and declaimed inline.
2017-01-19T08:23:49Z whiteline: the compiler will never be able to not do a direct reference to #'f there
2017-01-19T08:24:06Z whiteline: the evaluation model doesn't work like that
2017-01-19T08:24:31Z whiteline: you're passing a symbol to g, you're not making a function call
2017-01-19T08:24:42Z quadresce: Why does it work if F is global?
2017-01-19T08:24:57Z quadresce: And no, #'F is a function object, not a symbol.
2017-01-19T08:25:09Z whiteline: well, that is to be considered an optimization then :P
2017-01-19T08:26:00Z quadresce: Yes, and I am wondering if LABELS makes anything particularly special here, or if it's just a matter of not inlining aggressively enough.
2017-01-19T08:26:08Z whiteline: are you certain the compiler inlines the code for f if you pass it to g?
2017-01-19T08:26:43Z quadresce: I tested it, yes, when F is global and INLINE, and G is INLINE.
2017-01-19T08:27:10Z whiteline: ah, when both are inline
2017-01-19T08:27:14Z whiteline: that makes more sense :P
2017-01-19T08:27:18Z quadresce: Yes.
2017-01-19T08:27:49Z quadresce: But it does not do so when F is lexical and INLINE, and G is INLINE
2017-01-19T08:34:14Z whiteline: no idea
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2017-01-20T13:08:38Z stassats: huh, tracing some debug functions leads to bad things
2017-01-20T13:08:54Z stassats: like (trace sb-di::code-location-from-pc :report nil) and the debugger crashes hard
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2017-01-20T13:13:37Z stassats: just doing (progn (trace sb-di::find-escaped-frame :report nil) (sb-di::find-escaped-frame (sb-di::descriptor-sap (sb-kernel:%caller-frame))))
2017-01-20T13:13:40Z stassats: doesn't make any sense
2017-01-20T13:14:23Z stassats: like at all
2017-01-20T13:16:42Z stassats: tracing makes it a closure
2017-01-20T13:17:07Z stassats: how would that matter
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2017-01-20T13:25:10Z stassats: oh hell, trace-call does (sb-di:frame-down (sb-di:top-frame)) even for encapsulated frames which won't use that information
2017-01-20T13:25:19Z stassats: encapsulated functions
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2017-01-20T13:28:56Z stassats: not doing that also speeds up tracing
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2017-01-20T15:43:28Z stassats: attempt to THROW to a tag that does not exist: LOCALL-ALREADY-LET-CONVERTED while building
2017-01-20T15:43:32Z stassats: ain't that great
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2017-01-20T16:02:25Z stassats: managed to do (sb-c::the-context integer "when setting X" x) => 'The value NIL is not of type INTEGER when setting X [Condition of type TYPE-ERROR]'
2017-01-20T16:02:33Z stassats: while encoding it in the debug info
2017-01-20T16:02:51Z stassats: and not using new internal errors
2017-01-20T16:02:58Z stassats: basically any location can have context
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2017-01-20T16:07:37Z pkhuong: nice.
2017-01-20T16:09:56Z stassats: the first goal (make-foo) => `The value NIL is not of type FIXNUM when setting slot X of structure FOO'
2017-01-20T16:12:21Z stassats: i think that way i can even manage something like (missing-arg), basically putting context for :call-site, then walking up the stack looking for the first location with context
2017-01-20T16:12:43Z stassats: would work for (missing-arg) or something the user makes, or just (error )
2017-01-20T16:14:56Z stassats: just need to figure out how to attach context to any location within a block
2017-01-20T16:19:32Z stassats: also this happens only at DEBUG 2 now, i need to increase the amount of overall debug info generated at debug 1
2017-01-20T16:19:41Z stassats: it's 2017, no reason to save bytes
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2017-01-20T18:27:47Z stassats: and this thing finally allows for filling arithmetic-error-operation
2017-01-20T18:28:04Z stassats: arithmetic error FLOATING-POINT-OVERFLOW signalled => Operation was *, operands (1.7976931348623157d308 1.7976931348623157d308).
2017-01-20T18:28:11Z stassats: but has to be done for each backend
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2017-01-20T21:54:04Z stassats: (funcall (lambda (y) (declare (double-float y)) y) 10) => "The value 10 is not of type DOUBLE-FLOAT when binding variable Y"
2017-01-20T21:54:10Z stassats: another trivial use of cast context
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2017-01-20T23:38:50Z stassats: enabling debug dumping increases core size by 6MB
2017-01-20T23:39:06Z stassats: was more, managed to shed 2MB, more possible
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2017-01-21T06:03:54Z guicho: Im trying to allow more aggressive stack allocation to my personal code that handles lots of bit vectors. It looks like subseq on bitvectors are not stack allocated. Is the use of defknown dx-safe a viable approach here?
2017-01-21T06:22:44Z guicho: hmm no ones here
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2017-01-21T09:52:52Z stassats: building with debug 0 causes some sort of miscompilation, huh
2017-01-21T09:53:48Z stassats: oh, i see, it doesn't record lambda lists but define-setters in setf-fun uses that to build setf functions
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2017-01-21T15:37:07Z Fare: Can sbcl please stop exporting SBCL_HOME ?
2017-01-21T15:37:40Z stassats: when did it start doing so?
2017-01-21T15:39:31Z Fare: long ago, IIRC
2017-01-21T15:39:40Z stassats: is that really so?
2017-01-21T15:40:10Z Fare: before it had a (sb-int:sbcl-homedir-pathname) IIRC
2017-01-21T15:40:57Z stassats: well, if it does export SBCL_HOME, then i guess it can't stop doing so
2017-01-21T15:41:04Z Fare: I kind of remember it being a (small) issue back in the days at ITA.
2017-01-21T15:41:28Z Fare: with NixOS, and stumpwm compiled with a different sbcl than the one running another program, it sucks.
2017-01-21T15:41:29Z stassats: call unsetenv if it bothers you
2017-01-21T15:41:43Z Fare: I do.
2017-01-21T15:42:24Z Fare: I'm not sure who is served by it now that there is sb-int:sbcl-homedir-pathname
2017-01-21T15:43:16Z stassats: sb-int:sbcl-homedir-pathname queries SBCL_HOME
2017-01-21T15:45:19Z Fare: maybe it shouldn't, also.
2017-01-21T15:46:02Z Fare: I'll post a bug about it. I'd write a patch, but why bother with the aggravation when my patches take years to not get in?
2017-01-21T15:46:28Z stassats: well, it takes years because your use cases are fairly niche
2017-01-21T15:46:45Z stassats: i still don't see why SBCL_HOME should not exported
2017-01-21T15:47:22Z stassats: considering that the user will often export SBCL_HOME, defeating the non exporting
2017-01-21T15:50:18Z joshe: I put an unsetenv in my .stumpwmrc ages ago
2017-01-21T15:52:59Z stassats: the only thing that'll help would be not to not export, but unsetenv automatically, but that'll cause more problems
2017-01-21T15:53:37Z stassats: so if your sbcls are different you can deal with the differences
2017-01-21T16:04:08Z stassats: environment variables are a poor way of specifying options
2017-01-21T16:09:00Z stassats: i guess not exporting would simplify things, but not totally eliminate problems as long as SBCL_HOME is still used
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2017-01-21T16:14:46Z stassats: all tests pass on linux
2017-01-21T16:14:52Z joshe: ok, thanks
2017-01-21T16:15:01Z stassats: for some values of linux
2017-01-21T16:15:27Z joshe: just making sure the test was correct before attempting to fix run-program on openbsd
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2017-01-22T20:42:23Z Xof: christoph_debian: I suppose you probably know this, but sbcl-1.3.13 built fine on my RPi
2017-01-22T20:42:40Z Xof: (I'd expect sbcl-1.3.14 to as well)
2017-01-22T20:42:46Z Xof: so, toolchain issues
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2017-01-22T20:54:18Z stassats: ok, the internal error context thingy is in
2017-01-22T20:54:50Z stassats: and debug info amount increase, hope it doesn't deplete anyone's disks
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2017-01-23T12:08:14Z stassats: ok, SBCL_HOME is no longer set
2017-01-23T12:08:52Z stassats: trying to come up with a way to change sbcl_home from install.sh without involving the SBCL_HOME environment var
2017-01-23T12:08:54Z christoph_debian: Xof: jep I know due to some toolchain changes. what is your rpi system currently running?
2017-01-23T12:08:57Z stassats: nothing robust
2017-01-23T12:09:51Z stassats: appending sbcl_home after the executable? like a core?
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2017-01-23T12:44:13Z Xof: christoph_debian: Raspbian ancient
2017-01-23T12:44:31Z Xof: gcc 4.9.1
2017-01-23T12:57:41Z christoph_debian: I see
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2017-01-23T15:42:47Z dougk_: do sb-posix tests on x86 darwin fail spordically for people? I'd like to disable the failing ones so that the build runs to completion at least until i care to fix the failures
2017-01-23T16:15:32Z dougk_: stassats: there's a C compiler warning about your latest change. assigning a value on an 'extern'
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2017-01-23T17:15:52Z stassats: dougk_: ok, how should it be done instead?
2017-01-23T17:16:13Z stassats: dougk_: i've never seen sb-posix failures on any darwin
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2017-01-23T19:57:33Z stassats: suppose i know how to record information about which struct slot has called (missing-arg), but the challenge is how to report it
2017-01-23T19:57:50Z stassats: in a general manner, when it's further up the stack
2017-01-23T19:58:14Z stassats: i guess i thing i can do is to make frame location better, so that it will jump to the slot definition, not the whole struct
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2017-01-23T20:17:21Z stassats: actually the source location thing now happens by itself, thanks to more debug information
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2017-01-23T21:55:36Z scymtym: dougk_: in our ci setup, several tests fail reliably, the yellow configurations in https://ci.cor-lab.org/job/sbcl-master/1961/ all have at least one failing test, i.e. all macos configurations and all sb-fasteval configurations have at least one
2017-01-23T22:00:01Z scymtym: dougk_: oh, but you asked about sb-posix and x86 for both of which the above is irrelevant. sorry for the noise
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2017-01-24T12:08:31Z scymtym: can somebody compile and load bordeaux-threads and check whether for BT:CONDITION-WAIT the derived return type is NIL
2017-01-24T12:09:18Z flip214: CONDITION-WAIT names a compiled function:
2017-01-24T12:09:21Z flip214:   Derived type: (FUNCTION (T T &KEY (:TIMEOUT T)) *)
2017-01-24T12:09:28Z flip214: for sbcl 1.3.13 on Debian amd64
2017-01-24T12:09:43Z flip214: scymtym: that's what you wanted?
2017-01-24T12:09:56Z flip214: quicklisp/software/bordeaux-threads-v0.8.5/src/impl-sbcl.lisp
2017-01-24T12:10:15Z scymtym: well, that's what it should be, thanks. now i have to find out why i get NIL
2017-01-24T12:10:25Z flip214: SB-THREAD:CONDITION-WAIT has the same type signature for me.
2017-01-24T12:11:01Z scymtym: strangely, that one is ok for me. only the bt function is broken
2017-01-24T12:11:12Z scymtym: i do everything with COMPILATION-SPEED = 0 DEBUG = 3 SAFETY = 3 SPACE = 1 SPEED = 1
2017-01-24T12:11:12Z scymtym:  
2017-01-24T12:11:19Z scymtym: maybe that has something to do with it
2017-01-24T12:11:35Z flip214: I've got
2017-01-24T12:11:36Z flip214: (declaim (optimize (debug 3) (safety 3)))
2017-01-24T12:11:56Z flip214: scymtym: same B-T version?
2017-01-24T12:12:29Z scymtym: "almost", let me verify
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2017-01-24T12:16:28Z scymtym: ok, this only happens if bt is compiled and loaded in the same session
2017-01-24T12:16:46Z scymtym: loading the fasls in a new session "fixes" the issue
2017-01-24T12:18:01Z flip214: "that's interesting"  ;P
2017-01-24T12:18:11Z scymtym: i can reproduce the issue like this rm -rf ~/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl* ; (require 'asdf) (asdf:load-system :bordeaux-threads) (describe 'bt:condition-wait)
2017-01-24T12:21:38Z scymtym: compiler policy doesn't seem to matter
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2017-01-24T15:43:19Z dougk__: stassats: with your removal of fop-names, I think the "((oname (nth-value 2 (function-lambda-expression function))))" check should be disabled if the host Lisp is not sbcl
2017-01-24T15:43:38Z dougk__: there's no requirement that (nth-value 2 (f-l-e )) return something sane, iirc.
2017-01-24T15:44:23Z stassats: dougk_: right, but ccl, clisp, ecl both return the name
2017-01-24T15:44:31Z stassats: well, not "both", but all
2017-01-24T15:45:03Z dougk__: I guess we can take a wait-a-see approach, if someone wants to try another lisp.
2017-01-24T15:45:11Z dougk__: wait-and-see
2017-01-24T15:45:40Z stassats: and i can't imagine somebody chooses not to attach names to their functions
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2017-01-24T15:51:32Z stassats: looks like i'm finally closing in on no-debug-information-if-load-is-interrupted thing
2017-01-24T15:51:41Z stassats: that was so annoying
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2017-01-24T16:15:07Z stassats: finally, (load (compile-file "(defun foo ()) (foo 1)")) => i can find the source of the error
2017-01-24T16:17:36Z stassats: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/540276 is not even seven years old
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2017-01-24T17:13:44Z stassats: and now to wrestle cold-load
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2017-01-24T19:57:09Z dougk_: i'm pushing a fairly intricate change to the immobile space defrag step. It works for me, but could somewhat obviously use a review that is other than cursory.
2017-01-24T20:03:49Z dougk_: stassats: are you there? I believe you introduced a bug in x86-64/pred some time back. i'll find it ...
2017-01-24T20:04:55Z dougk_: change 72723ad4ca, after (rotatef x y) if (sc-is x immediate) and then (inst cmp x immediate) seems to me like it's comparing x to x instead of x to y
2017-01-24T20:05:11Z dougk_: am i reading this right?
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2017-01-24T20:09:28Z stassats: it should be (immediate32-p value)
2017-01-24T20:10:32Z stassats: but it would've never caused problems, because x would be always a tn and immediate32-p would return nil
2017-01-24T20:13:08Z stassats: and immediates always go as a second argument (don't remember what causes that to happen)
2017-01-24T20:13:49Z Xach:  /win 3
2017-01-24T20:14:08Z stassats: the "commutative" known attribute
2017-01-24T20:14:33Z stassats: i wonder if half the vops could be simplified because of that
2017-01-24T20:16:06Z stassats: no real chance of testing this
2017-01-24T20:16:18Z dougk_: so you'll delete those 2 lines? and the rotatef itself can go away if the commutative attribute always wins
2017-01-24T20:16:34Z stassats: i think deleting would be better, yes
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2017-01-24T20:20:52Z stassats: well, there is a way to test this, it's a missed optimization
2017-01-24T20:26:16Z stassats: well, good luck triggering it to not load a control-stack tn
2017-01-24T20:26:26Z stassats: those get used so rarely
2017-01-24T20:29:17Z stassats: and :load-if is ignored again
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2017-01-24T20:39:20Z stassats: finally managed to trigger it, not by spilling a variable around a call but by having a lot of variables depleting the registers
2017-01-24T20:39:36Z stassats: and it indeed prevents it from doing CMP QWORD PTR [RBP-96], 246
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2017-01-24T20:41:33Z dougk_: eventually i'd like to have a way to directly exercise instruction encoders for testing, and then a level up, directly exercise vops for testing
2017-01-24T20:42:02Z dougk_: thus solving the "it's really hard to test this" situation
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2017-01-24T20:57:24Z stassats: could we fold (eq a 1d0) to NIL?
2017-01-24T20:57:32Z stassats: on the other hand, why bother
2017-01-24T21:07:46Z stassats: i also want performance regression tests
2017-01-24T21:07:59Z stassats: but those would need to be recorded over time, like boinkmarks
2017-01-24T21:08:26Z stassats: but not with a set of unchanging tests, but each time somethings is optimized it's recorded there
2017-01-24T21:08:32Z stassats: (also want a pony)
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2017-01-25T18:58:38Z |3b|: stassats: does the fix for source locations on failed load not work for top-level forms that error? (nice fix aside from that though :)
2017-01-25T18:59:14Z stassats: |3b|: top level forms do not really have a location
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2017-01-25T18:59:53Z |3b| wonders because of the " Cannot find source location for: #<COMPILED-CODE-LOCATION (SB-C::TOP-LEVEL-FORM ...", which suggests it has something
2017-01-25T19:00:16Z |3b|: no idea if it is actually something that would be useful if it found it though
2017-01-25T19:00:53Z stassats: some top level forms may have a function behind it
2017-01-25T19:02:10Z stassats: |3b|: it actually works in slime
2017-01-25T19:02:18Z stassats: not in the repl
2017-01-25T19:02:35Z |3b| is using slime, does it need newer version?
2017-01-25T19:02:44Z stassats: not really
2017-01-25T19:05:45Z |3b|: hmm, works on simple test, wonder what is different
2017-01-25T19:07:40Z stassats: but slime uses a fallback mechanism, so it doesn't get the best location
2017-01-25T19:07:49Z stassats: (and that's why SOURCE in the REPL does not work)
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2017-01-25T19:12:17Z |3b|: finds it (even right sub form) if i use M-C-x instead of C-c C-c or normal asdf load, though shows it in *slime-source* instead of original source (reasonable since  slime probably used EVAL or something)
2017-01-25T19:12:17Z stassats: but it doesn't even get computed in the first place
2017-01-25T19:13:49Z stassats: if (and (>= level 1) (not toplevel-p))
2017-01-25T19:13:51Z stassats: that would explain that
2017-01-25T19:14:12Z |3b|: explain which?
2017-01-25T19:14:18Z stassats: (not toplevel-p)
2017-01-25T19:14:56Z stassats: works without it
2017-01-25T19:16:04Z stassats: ok, that covers top level forms that actually get a function
2017-01-25T19:16:10Z stassats: but fop compiled stuff is still hard to find
2017-01-25T19:19:55Z stassats: well, i can kind see a solution
2017-01-25T19:20:37Z stassats: FOP-FUNCALL* will call the function, i can leave the fop-funcall* frame and somehow cook its location
2017-01-25T19:21:33Z stassats: fop compilation always annoyed me
2017-01-25T19:23:33Z |3b|: http://paste.lisp.org/+78BY is reduced version of what wasn't working
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2017-01-25T19:24:31Z |3b|: works with some combinations of arguments in the 2 calls, don't see any obvious pattern though
2017-01-25T19:25:18Z stassats: |3b|: my upcoming patch fixes this
2017-01-25T19:25:43Z |3b|: cool :)
2017-01-25T19:26:24Z stassats: now, finding where calls to FOO are coming from are more difficult, but should be possible
2017-01-25T19:26:28Z stassats: i'll ponder on that
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2017-01-25T19:27:08Z stassats: well, when the fop compiler is involve
2017-01-25T19:27:32Z stassats: i.e. if you remove the special binding
2017-01-25T19:28:51Z stassats: i need to come up with a FUNCALL that either has cooked debug-info or the debugger interprets such a funcall differently
2017-01-25T19:31:11Z stassats: obviously can't just cook up debug info of a function due to thread and reentrancy problems
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2017-01-25T19:32:38Z stassats: i guess special debug-info kind + using closed over value to relay information to the debugger
2017-01-25T19:35:28Z stassats: also need to handle things like package problems
2017-01-25T19:36:58Z stassats: and in a way that makes it clear to the user which frame has the right location
2017-01-25T19:38:39Z stassats: |3b|: pushed
2017-01-25T19:40:39Z stassats: a simple test case would be (let (*) (aref (lisp-implementation-version) 1000))
2017-01-25T19:48:41Z |3b|: works on original code, even correct sub form :)
2017-01-25T19:50:36Z stassats: thinking about just getting disabling the fop compiler at high debug settings
2017-01-25T19:51:02Z stassats: even if i make this thingy work, it'll never work with xref
2017-01-25T19:51:25Z stassats: need to study how much of an impact the fop compiler is
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2017-01-25T19:54:16Z stassats: fop compiler only reduces fasl size and speeds up fasloading, and introduces three problems, error location, no xref, and double macroexpansion
2017-01-25T19:54:27Z stassats: or was it triple? or did i fix that?
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2017-01-25T19:57:59Z stassats: ok, fopcompile (defun foo (x) x) with fopcompile 832, without 1218 bytes
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2017-01-25T20:02:58Z stassats: my project with lots of dependencies, 27MB => 31MB
2017-01-25T20:03:05Z stassats: that's actually not that bad
2017-01-25T20:04:01Z stassats: could restrict fopcompilation to cases like SB-IMPL::%DEFUN
2017-01-25T20:06:43Z stassats: Xof: dougk__ how do you feel about removing the fopcompiler?
2017-01-25T20:07:56Z dougk__: i don't think we should remove it
2017-01-25T20:08:05Z stassats: actually, xref wouldn't work anyway
2017-01-25T20:08:19Z stassats: it searches through named functions
2017-01-25T20:08:20Z dougk__: but double/triple expansion is never solvable. with PCL having to walk code, and walk code to walk code
2017-01-25T20:08:49Z stassats: double expansion is low value
2017-01-25T20:08:50Z dougk__: until we fix that problem, and fix all problems with people using the walker for whatever they do, you can never stop macros from expanding 47 times
2017-01-25T20:09:30Z stassats: that leaves debug information for toplevel forms
2017-01-25T20:11:23Z stassats: ok, no fopcompiler at debug=2?
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2017-01-25T20:12:52Z stassats: though people who benefit the most from better information are unlikely to know about DEBUG
2017-01-25T20:35:24Z Xof: I care more about slol speed than fasl size
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2017-01-25T21:04:43Z stassats: dougk_: why is the PROGN in (deftransform string ((x) (string)) '(progn x)) necessary?
2017-01-25T21:05:03Z stassats: it'll be combination with an implicit progn anyway
2017-01-25T21:08:27Z stassats: Xof: load times on those 27MB vs 31MB: 4.1 vs 4.4 seconds
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2017-01-25T21:25:52Z dougk__: i think if it's not there the deftransform macro parses wrong. try it and see
2017-01-25T21:26:57Z dougk__: or maybe not. i thought it did
2017-01-25T21:30:09Z dougk__: Xof: if you care about slol speed are you using fasteval? I broke it for a whole week, and nobody even blinked. Surprised myself too
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2017-01-25T21:55:38Z Xof: well, I'm not using anything at all
2017-01-25T21:55:50Z Xof: I am way, way deep in the work mire
2017-01-25T21:56:29Z Xof: writing simultaneous translations of test code in Java and C++ for two cohorts of students in the same class
2017-01-25T21:57:04Z Xof: when I say "I care" I mean with my maintainer / release manager hat on, not as an actual user :-(
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2017-01-25T23:24:44Z scymtym: dougk_: that reminds me: i have noticed that half the test results have disappeared from the fasteval builds. those correspond to running the tests in interpreted mode. is this the breakage you refer to?
2017-01-25T23:27:55Z scymtym: maybe not. the new MAP-ALLOCATED-OBJECTS-NO-CONSING test exhausts the heap in interpreted mode: https://ci.cor-lab.org/job/sbcl-master/1967/featureset=8,label=ubuntu_trusty_64bit/consoleFull
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2017-01-26T14:19:39Z stassats: describe without *print-pretty* eats all new lines
2017-01-26T14:19:42Z stassats: (let (*print-pretty*) (describe 'cons))
2017-01-26T14:21:05Z stassats: can i just bind *print-pretty* to T in DESCRIBE?
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2017-01-26T14:29:54Z |3b|: user-defined describe-object might notice, though not sure if that possibility is worth caring about
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2017-01-26T15:47:00Z dougk_: scymtym: the breakage I meant was inability to use !trivial-defmethod in between cold-init and pcl/print-object. it manifested as build failure
2017-01-26T15:49:35Z scymtym_: dougk_: i see. i probably didn't notice within the retention period for "old" builds and i don't dare to enable email notification for sbcl since the build is more or less permanently broken
2017-01-26T15:50:21Z scymtym_: dougk_: in any case, one remaining problem is that the fasteval build exhausts the heap running the MAP-ALLOCATED-OBJECTS-NO-CONSING test
2017-01-26T15:50:46Z scymtym_: (when running the test suite in interpreted mode)
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2017-01-26T16:08:52Z dougk_: scymtym_: i'm putting skipped-on for the no-consing in fasteval. but also the bignum unpacker fails for me. not for you?
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2017-01-26T16:40:39Z scymtym_: dougk_: :PACK-VARINTS-AS-BIGNUM succeeds in compiled mode (on linux x86, x86_64, MacOS). i don't think the test suite reaches that test in interpreted mode because of the heap exhaustion
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2017-01-26T16:41:20Z dougk_: but now that it skips map-allocated-objects, it reaches that test
2017-01-26T16:41:58Z scymtym_: yes, i can report in a few hours
2017-01-26T16:44:38Z scymtym_: unrelatedly, i may have mentioned this before, there are tests that fail in compiled mode in fasteval builds. e.g. https://ci.cor-lab.org/job/sbcl-master/featureset=8,label=ubuntu_trusty_64bit/1972/testReport/
2017-01-26T16:45:57Z dougk_: yah, that's on launchpad assigned to me
2017-01-26T16:46:22Z scymtym_: sorry, didn't know
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2017-01-26T16:49:03Z scymtym_: if we get rid of that, fix the MacOS-specific test failures, solve the flakiness of the threading tests, workaround sourceforge's intermittent failures, then we could consider starting to think about enabling email notifications :)
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2017-01-26T19:03:37Z sdsadsdas: Hi guys. I am quite a noob, but perhaps I can contribute with something small? E.g. renaming variables. Where shall I start?
2017-01-26T19:05:43Z stassats: what variables do you want to rename?
2017-01-26T19:06:22Z sdsadsdas: I don't have any symbols in particular in mind. It was just an example for an easy job to do :)
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2017-01-26T19:07:07Z sdsadsdas: I can take something that is not very challenging but is perhaps boring for you guys :)
2017-01-26T19:07:45Z stassats: finding things that are boring is pretty boring
2017-01-26T19:08:21Z sdsadsdas: ok I will look at the source and come back with some ideas
2017-01-26T19:08:22Z joshe: finding easy things to do can also be harder than just fixing them
2017-01-26T19:08:34Z stassats: just use sbcl
2017-01-26T19:08:55Z stassats: the opportunities will reveal themselves
2017-01-26T19:09:12Z joshe: heh
2017-01-26T19:09:18Z sdsadsdas: cool tip :)
2017-01-26T19:11:57Z |3b|: might try things marked 'easy' in https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/
2017-01-26T19:12:16Z |3b|: or documentation
2017-01-26T19:13:35Z |3b|: or even just pick random bugs and try any test cases in them (assuming you have applicable hardware/os/etc) and see if they still fail
2017-01-26T19:14:32Z sdsadsdas: Thanks |3b| :) I will look into it :)
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2017-01-26T19:20:52Z stassats: ugh, i'm sick of debug info already
2017-01-26T19:21:14Z stassats: i think i went from 10MB to 5MB core size increase
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2017-01-27T20:55:07Z dougk_: at line 1828 of gc-common, any reason not to change 'if(HeaderValue(object) == subtype_VectorNormal)' to '... HeaderValue(object) != subtype_VectorValidHashing' ?
2017-01-27T20:55:48Z dougk_: anyway it's what purify.c does, and it might help me solve a problem that seems to be introduced by cffi which causes heap corruption such that a vector gains some extra crud in its header.
2017-01-27T20:56:28Z dougk_: obviously that's not supposed to happen, but i'd like to put a hardware watchpoint, and the last thing i need is GC telling me some other nonsense about it not looking like a hashtable vector
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2017-01-28T00:09:09Z stassats: huh
2017-01-28T00:09:16Z stassats: i think i know what happens with make-restart
2017-01-28T00:10:39Z stassats: sorta
2017-01-28T00:11:49Z stassats: since it's not declared inline, but only gets inlined due to SPACE 0, it actually does not get inlined and gets a local function
2017-01-28T00:11:59Z stassats: since there are two calls to make-restart
2017-01-28T00:12:19Z stassats: well, make-restart does not matter here, i can do it with an empty structure
2017-01-28T00:13:27Z stassats: yep
2017-01-28T00:15:14Z stassats: weird stuff
2017-01-28T00:17:05Z stassats: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1659964/comments/1
2017-01-28T00:17:07Z stassats: weird as hell
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2017-01-28T00:20:11Z stassats: they are not even dxed
2017-01-28T00:23:27Z stassats: paging nyef
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2017-01-28T07:38:26Z akkad: ahh fare-memoization was not using sync. nvm
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2017-01-28T12:51:32Z francogrex: hi, why do i get this warning? (only in sbcl and only when debug is not set to 3): http://paste.lisp.org/display/337561
2017-01-28T12:52:17Z stassats: cause that's how it derives the type
2017-01-28T12:53:36Z stassats: francogrex: change (and (null sprinkler) (null rain)) to T
2017-01-28T12:53:48Z francogrex: stassats: ok
2017-01-28T12:53:57Z francogrex: yes that would be the default
2017-01-28T12:54:30Z Xof: right, but sbcl doesn't try to prove that that last clause covers all possible cases
2017-01-28T12:54:36Z Xof: you have to tell it
2017-01-28T12:55:17Z Xof: (relatedly: I got my first Java "program refuses to compile because foo might be used uninitialised" error the other day, and boggled for a while)
2017-01-28T12:56:17Z stassats: why can't it, though (don't tell me i have to suffer through constraint propagation)
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2017-01-29T05:34:30Z nyef: I was just looking through some recent commits, and found a mention of a possibility that "neither evaulator does W-P-O correctly."
2017-01-29T05:34:46Z nyef: I would go so far as to suggest that this is only the case for x86oids.
2017-01-29T05:35:47Z nyef: And that the solution is one of those things that opens up a possible further consolidation of logic across all backends.
2017-01-29T05:36:51Z nyef: But since I don't understand the evaluators or the precise details of x86oid with-pinned-object, I'm not about to touch it.
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2017-01-29T05:47:47Z nyef: If I remember, I may post something about this to the mailing list.
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2017-01-29T08:18:50Z nyef: Nevermind, taking the simple way out: Adding a test case.
2017-01-29T08:30:19Z nyef: Oh, lovely. Core relocation on x86 is now even less supported than it was.
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2017-01-29T10:47:57Z Lord_Nightmare: nyef: i saw https://gist.github.com/burtonsamograd/f08f561264ff94391300 do you or burtons have any plans to further refine that?
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2017-01-29T14:07:18Z francogrex: hi this when i compile-file sbcl does not show me optimization notes why? http://paste.lisp.org/display/337671
2017-01-29T14:07:37Z francogrex: in almost all other progs I compile with speed 3 safety 3 i get the notes
2017-01-29T14:08:04Z francogrex: is there a switch or something that I need to set first?
2017-01-29T14:26:50Z scymtym: francogrex: are you sure that code warrants any efficiency-related notes?
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2017-01-29T16:10:57Z nyef: Lord_Nightmare: No, I have basically no interest in a tree shaker at this point in time.
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2017-01-29T18:23:50Z nyef: ... LEAF-DYNAMIC-EXTENT returns NIL for a GLOBAL-VAR that has been D-X bound? WTF?
2017-01-29T18:41:19Z nyef: ... Is there even a D-X cleanup for this thing?
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2017-01-29T18:45:44Z nyef: Well, a D-X cleanup is at least made for this thing, though it's not easily visible (possibly no longer around?) from where MAY-DELETE-VESTIGIAL-EXIT is looking.
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2017-01-29T19:00:23Z francogrex: how does the implementation decide which code warranrs efficiency related notes and which not? based on what?
2017-01-29T19:01:11Z francogrex: in my code, types were nor declared etc... it seems pertinent to provide those notes there
2017-01-29T19:12:35Z nyef: I think it's a combination of policy settings (OPTIMIZE qualities and the like) and the various optimizers and transforms defined for whatever functions are being called.
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2017-01-29T20:22:31Z akkad: CORRUPTION WARNING in SBCL pid 1142CORRUPTION WARNING in SBCL pid 1142...
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2017-01-30T04:05:37Z nyef: Hrm. I misunderestimated the interpreters. Both of them. They both have special logic to handle W-P-O, which overrides the normal version, which I did not expect. But it's broken in both cases, thus manages to break *all* gencgc platforms rather than merely the x86oids that would have been broken without the special logic.
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2017-01-30T08:55:35Z Xof: nyef: well spotted.  I looked at those forms, very closely, last time I noticed this problem -- and didn't see it
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2017-01-30T12:46:20Z stassats: nyef: so, DX looks in a better shape now any more dx bugs?
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2017-01-30T13:07:49Z nyef: Xof: Thanks. The first step, of course, was the concrete proof that it didn't work. (-:
2017-01-30T13:07:52Z nyef: stassats:
2017-01-30T13:08:15Z nyef: stassats: There's still the XEPs, inlining, and somethingorother, I think?
2017-01-30T13:08:39Z nyef: Which isn't really DX, more DCE.
2017-01-30T13:09:17Z nyef: And it's not really "more dx bugs", it's been the same bug, driven to become more subtle each time.
2017-01-30T13:18:19Z nyef: ... there's still the conditional DX not happening as often as we might like thing, isn't there?
2017-01-30T13:20:39Z nyef: And there are some things like a request to use escape analysis on DX variables to provide warnings.
2017-01-30T13:22:42Z nyef: Possibly still that thing with DX value cells and the debugger?
2017-01-30T13:40:51Z nyef: There's still a few auto-DX and DX-functional things around, as well, but they're also more optimization than correctness.
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2017-01-30T13:54:03Z stassats: nyef: just inlining, i didn't have all the information when i made that title
2017-01-30T13:55:43Z nyef: scymtym: As of earlier this month, the requisite x86 support has been removed.
2017-01-30T13:55:54Z stassats: dxing functionals would simplify handler-bind
2017-01-30T13:56:08Z stassats: with its turning lambdas into dx-flets
2017-01-30T13:56:49Z stassats: i wonder we can simplify (lambda () (go x)) and only save the tag location for handler-bind/restart-bind
2017-01-30T13:57:30Z stassats: though without a physical GO it won't create cleanups and whatnot
2017-01-30T13:58:51Z nyef: I'm not sure that I'm a big fan of crazy hacks like that.
2017-01-30T13:59:03Z nyef: I'd far rather see dxed functionals.
2017-01-30T13:59:12Z stassats: well, when all the sane hacks are exhausted
2017-01-30T13:59:18Z stassats: there's nothing left
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2017-01-30T14:00:12Z stassats: nyef: do you have an outline of why functionals aren't dxed?
2017-01-30T14:01:29Z nyef: IIRC, it's something about the interplay of XEPs and the underlying CLAMBDAs and USE-GOOD-FOR-DX-P.
2017-01-30T14:01:47Z nyef: Every time I've looked into it, I've gotten lost somewhere around there. (-:
2017-01-30T14:02:08Z stassats: i had to deal with use-good-for-dx-p recently
2017-01-30T14:02:38Z nyef: We know that we can DX functions, so the problem is something to do with the way that they're represented in the variable namespace.
2017-01-30T14:03:03Z stassats: i'll take another crack at it then
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2017-01-30T14:03:53Z stassats: why do we need value cells for closures?
2017-01-30T14:04:52Z nyef: When they don't escape, we don't.
2017-01-30T14:05:12Z stassats: it looks like when they are not modified, they aren't needed
2017-01-30T14:05:19Z nyef: Ah, right.
2017-01-30T14:05:35Z stassats: so, why can't the closure be modified directly
2017-01-30T14:05:40Z nyef: Value cells are for closed-over mutable variables.
2017-01-30T14:06:02Z nyef: Because it has to be shared state across every environment that closes over them, including the allocating environment?
2017-01-30T14:06:05Z stassats: ok, shared vars between two cosures
2017-01-30T14:06:06Z stassats: got it
2017-01-30T14:06:23Z nyef: Note that we *do* elide the value cell when all of the environments are DX.
2017-01-30T14:06:36Z stassats: that was an aside from DX
2017-01-30T14:07:03Z stassats: but value cells are still created even if there's no sharing
2017-01-30T14:07:08Z nyef: Oh?
2017-01-30T14:07:27Z stassats: (defun abc (y) (lambda () (incf y)))
2017-01-30T14:07:33Z nyef: You mean, if the mutation occurs prior to closure allocation?
2017-01-30T14:07:34Z nyef: Ah.
2017-01-30T14:07:45Z nyef: Hrm.
2017-01-30T14:08:08Z nyef: Okay, that's a workable angle.
2017-01-30T14:08:50Z nyef: Just be careful with the analysis. I broke closure semantics fairly badly one month doing this kind of stuff. (-:
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2017-01-30T14:44:32Z fe[nl]ix: stassats: commit 31401213f0 "More :read-only for debug structures." broke clos-add-remove-method.impure.lisp here
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2017-01-30T14:46:01Z stassats: fe[nl]ix: it couldn't
2017-01-30T14:46:27Z fe[nl]ix: I know, it's weird
2017-01-30T14:46:42Z stassats: and it works fine here
2017-01-30T14:46:51Z stassats: (obviously)
2017-01-30T14:47:21Z fe[nl]ix: I think the only uncommon feature I enabled is :sb-xref-for-internals
2017-01-30T14:48:38Z fe[nl]ix: trying again without that
2017-01-30T14:52:51Z fe[nl]ix: yes, that was it
2017-01-30T14:54:26Z fe[nl]ix: stassats: try enabling :sb-xref-for-internals
2017-01-30T14:54:52Z stassats: what's the error?
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2017-01-30T15:02:23Z stassats: fe[nl]ix: works fine
2017-01-30T15:03:05Z fe[nl]ix: hmm, something else is wrong
2017-01-30T15:25:28Z fe[nl]ix: stassats: http://paste.lisp.org/+78MP/0
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2017-01-30T15:31:05Z stassats: never seen that error
2017-01-30T15:31:09Z fe[nl]ix: stassats: if I comment out the "(enable :sb-nonexistent-feature)", then the test passes
2017-01-30T15:33:16Z fe[nl]ix: annotation #1 has the customize-target-features.lisp
2017-01-30T15:34:53Z fe[nl]ix: and the host I'm using is 1.3.14 release, on Linux/x86_64
2017-01-30T15:35:46Z fe[nl]ix: yes, I can reproduce again :D
2017-01-30T15:39:11Z stassats: oh joy, another failed AVER from Eric
2017-01-30T15:40:20Z nyef: Lovely.
2017-01-30T15:41:54Z nyef: Checking now.
2017-01-30T15:42:37Z stassats: fails around SB-C::%NIP-VALUES-IR2-CONVERT-OPTIMIZER
2017-01-30T15:42:49Z nyef: Right, because that's where it *always* fails.
2017-01-30T15:43:00Z nyef: Looking at the IR1 blocks already.
2017-01-30T15:43:32Z nyef: (In the debugger, drop down two frames, to the optimizer, then (sb-c::print-all-blocks (sb-debug:arg 0)).)
2017-01-30T15:44:47Z nyef: And I see the damage, IR1 block 5 start c35, it's trying to nip a UV out from under a DV.
2017-01-30T15:45:16Z stassats: just when we though no more dx problems
2017-01-30T15:45:36Z nyef: Damnit, same damned thing. The same two LVARs appear in different orders in different blocks.
2017-01-30T15:46:20Z stassats: fe[nl]ix: no problems with those features
2017-01-30T15:47:25Z nyef: This one's clearly on me.
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2017-01-30T15:50:51Z stassats: Line: 14, Column: -1, File-position: 322
2017-01-30T15:50:56Z stassats: interesting Column value
2017-01-30T15:52:37Z stassats: it even lies about the line
2017-01-30T15:52:58Z stassats: when abc:d is at the end of a line
2017-01-30T15:53:03Z stassats: it gets the next line and column -1
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2017-01-30T15:57:57Z stassats: The value REST is not of type LIST, huh what, in ir1-convert-combination-args
2017-01-30T15:59:37Z nyef: One vestigial exit, MAY-DELETE returned T.
2017-01-30T16:01:27Z stassats: oh right, forgot to :use :cl, so (loop for (arg . rest)) blew up silly
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2017-01-30T16:18:26Z fe[nl]ix: stassats: I copied the source checkout to my server(Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1245 V2 @ 3.40GHz) and the test passes there
2017-01-30T16:18:53Z fe[nl]ix: but it reliably fails on my workstation (Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-1650 v2 @ 3.50GHz)
2017-01-30T16:19:50Z nyef: Obviously, it's bad ram. d-:
2017-01-30T16:20:43Z fe[nl]ix: lol
2017-01-30T16:20:47Z fe[nl]ix: may be
2017-01-30T16:24:59Z fe[nl]ix: the workstation has ECC RAM and I see no errors
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2017-01-30T16:40:50Z pkhuong: could also check for CPU errata. I hit that once (with prerelease gear, granted)
2017-01-30T16:47:26Z fe[nl]ix: I rebooted and no longer see this
2017-01-30T16:47:33Z fe[nl]ix: what a waste of time
2017-01-30T16:50:24Z nyef: Bad RAM segment used for the disk cache?
2017-01-30T16:51:18Z fe[nl]ix: could be
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2017-01-30T17:09:36Z fe[nl]ix: I'm getting that failure again
2017-01-30T17:09:41Z fe[nl]ix: I'll just ignore it
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2017-01-30T17:20:26Z fe[nl]ix: tried on a colleague's workstation
2017-01-30T17:20:30Z fe[nl]ix: same CPU, same error
2017-01-30T17:22:02Z fe[nl]ix: actually, he has an Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-1650 v3 @ 3.50GHz
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2017-01-30T18:59:10Z nyef: Oh, this is clever. The same vestigial exit CAST is being hit from more than one place.
2017-01-30T18:59:18Z nyef: I didn't think that was even *possible*.
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2017-01-30T19:03:54Z stassats: do you need a smaller test case?
2017-01-30T19:04:42Z stassats: (lambda (b) (block b5 (multiple-value-prog1 42 (let ((* (list t))) (declare (dynamic-extent *)) (if b (return-from b5 (catch 'foo)))))))
2017-01-30T19:07:20Z nyef: Thanks.
2017-01-30T19:07:35Z nyef: I don't know what I need quite yet, TBH.
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2017-01-30T19:09:18Z nyef: On the upside, if it's a regression it is at least not a recent regression.
2017-01-30T19:09:29Z stassats: it is a regression
2017-01-30T19:09:35Z nyef: Oh?
2017-01-30T19:10:07Z stassats: well
2017-01-30T19:10:25Z stassats: now that i said it, my variant makes it not a regression
2017-01-30T19:10:31Z stassats: the original one didn't fail
2017-01-30T19:11:02Z nyef: Ah, I see now.
2017-01-30T19:11:15Z nyef: You started stack-allocating restarts.
2017-01-30T19:12:13Z stassats: restart conses were stack allocated before too
2017-01-30T19:12:33Z stassats: well, before i reenabled make-restart dxing
2017-01-30T19:13:40Z stassats: but on that old sbcl (macroexpand '(restart-bind nil 10)) => (LET ((SB-KERNEL:*RESTART-CLUSTERS* (CONS (LIST) SB-KERNEL:*RESTART-CLUSTERS*))) 10)
2017-01-30T19:13:41Z stassats: indeed
2017-01-30T19:14:07Z stassats: (arguably, it should be (progn 10), but that's not important now)
2017-01-30T19:14:28Z nyef: Building 1.3.14 now, to test.
2017-01-30T19:14:37Z stassats: i can tell you that
2017-01-30T19:14:46Z stassats: both fail in 1.3.14
2017-01-30T19:15:08Z stassats: and 1.2.13
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2017-01-30T19:21:25Z stassats: ok, the actually reason lambdas aren't dxed is that FLET handles dx itself
2017-01-30T19:22:33Z nyef: That's not why lambdas aren't dxed, that's why FLET DX works at all.
2017-01-30T19:23:42Z nyef: So, not a recent regression.
2017-01-30T19:24:12Z stassats: no, 1.1.7 fails on the reduced case
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2017-01-30T19:36:43Z stassats: another reason as that FLET and FUNCTION are in different places, but lambda includes both
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2017-01-30T19:48:40Z nyef: Well, I think I have it fixed locally, but now I have to figure out how to fix the comments.
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2017-01-30T20:10:56Z stassats: huh, substitute-let-funargs also comes into play
2017-01-30T20:11:08Z stassats: my old foe
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2017-01-30T20:43:17Z stassats: managed to convince that a lambda is good for dx, but can't actually make it go dx
2017-01-30T20:44:10Z nyef: Did you mark the CLAMBDA, its XEP, or both?
2017-01-30T20:44:39Z stassats: well, i need to mark some lvar, but i don't know how to get to the lvar of the clambda
2017-01-30T20:44:47Z stassats: which is used by %allocate-closures
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2017-01-30T20:45:34Z nyef: Umm... And there's something about it needing to be in the ENTRY DX ?
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2017-01-30T20:50:19Z _rumbler31: hey guys!  Can someone with an instance of sbcl check something for me?  http://paste.lisp.org/display/337801#1
2017-01-30T20:50:41Z _rumbler31: the question is, does the second call to join-thread hang for you guys?
2017-01-30T20:51:51Z stassats: that's not sbcl in the paste
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2017-01-30T20:52:45Z stassats: and of course i now get failed AVER: (SUBSETP SB-C::END SB-C::END-STACK)
2017-01-30T20:54:00Z nyef: Sounds about right.
2017-01-30T20:56:27Z stassats: ok, i was marking the xep lvar as dx
2017-01-30T20:57:24Z stassats: well, not that this is getting me any further
2017-01-30T20:58:34Z _rumbler31: stassats: i know its not sbcl in the paste, but I want to know what someone using sbcl encounters when they use bt this way
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2017-01-30T20:58:58Z stassats: _rumbler31: is sbcl not working on your platform?
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2017-01-30T21:01:39Z stassats: hm, my lvar actually loses lvar-dynamic-extent
2017-01-30T21:03:11Z nyef: Something decides that it's not qualified, possibly in physenvanal.
2017-01-30T21:03:13Z _rumbler31: its been a while since I tried it, but I've been under the assumption that enabling support for threads involves compiling by hand, that it would be quicker if someone already had it up to try this.
2017-01-30T21:03:31Z _rumbler31: or if my usage of bt was obviously pathological
2017-01-30T21:03:37Z stassats: _rumbler31: ask in #lisp
2017-01-30T21:04:08Z stassats: nyef: solved that part, still no dxing
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2017-01-30T21:04:45Z nyef: What on earth? One of these blocks has all the cleanups, the other has *none*?
2017-01-30T21:04:54Z stassats: it has no :info
2017-01-30T21:05:14Z stassats: the cleanup
2017-01-30T21:08:52Z nyef: You're starting to see why I haven't managed to get DX functionals working yet, I think. (-:
2017-01-30T21:09:05Z stassats: lambdas being constants messes things up
2017-01-30T21:10:27Z nyef: Hrm. The escape function is the one which has none of the cleanups.
2017-01-30T21:10:38Z stassats: and it's even a list
2017-01-30T21:10:46Z stassats: a list to %allocate-closures
2017-01-30T21:13:00Z stassats: ok, past that, still no god
2017-01-30T21:13:01Z stassats: go
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2017-01-30T21:15:46Z stassats: ok, leaf-dynamic-extent is nil
2017-01-30T21:16:35Z stassats: and bingo
2017-01-30T21:16:40Z nyef: Oh?
2017-01-30T21:16:52Z stassats: well, it's so horrible and hacky, but it works
2017-01-30T21:19:11Z nyef: Horrible and hacky can usually be fixed.
2017-01-30T21:19:43Z nyef: And having working DX functionals opens up several opportunities for us.
2017-01-30T21:21:03Z stassats: http://paste.lisp.org/display/337807
2017-01-30T21:21:47Z stassats: constant substitution obviously doesn't work for dx
2017-01-30T21:22:19Z stassats: and the way i get to the LVAR is pretty horrible
2017-01-30T21:22:31Z stassats: using the combination-args of the lambda-allocator
2017-01-30T21:23:50Z nyef: Yeah, okay, this is... worrisome. I wouldn't want to commit this as-is.
2017-01-30T21:23:58Z stassats: of course not
2017-01-30T21:24:17Z nyef: Why are clambdas constants, anyway?
2017-01-30T21:24:27Z stassats: well, they kinda are constant
2017-01-30T21:24:30Z nyef: Surely, if they close over something, they're variable?
2017-01-30T21:25:14Z stassats: look at it from the "can-it-be-moved" point of view
2017-01-30T21:25:55Z stassats: that's why i had problems, it made (let ((x (lambda () y))) (bar x)) into (bar (lambda () y))
2017-01-30T21:26:02Z stassats: and that's correct, except for dynamic-extent
2017-01-30T21:27:11Z nyef: Okay, unless you get this completely figured out, I know what to dig into once I've finished figuring out WTF is going on with this CATCH thing.
2017-01-30T21:27:17Z stassats: i don't know if anything wins from that, though
2017-01-30T21:27:33Z stassats: (constant movement)
2017-01-30T21:27:48Z stassats: one less combination?
2017-01-30T21:27:59Z stassats: dubious
2017-01-30T21:28:03Z nyef: Inlinability, I think?
2017-01-30T21:28:14Z stassats: well, lambdas can't be inlined
2017-01-30T21:28:18Z stassats: from LET
2017-01-30T21:28:26Z nyef: They can't?
2017-01-30T21:28:54Z nyef: Try it with a single reference?
2017-01-30T21:29:12Z stassats: forgot again, only closures can be inlined
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2017-01-30T21:29:41Z stassats: otherwise with ship the lambda into another component
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2017-01-30T21:30:37Z stassats: and not calling substitute-let-funargs does prevent inlining of closures
2017-01-30T21:31:11Z stassats: also, it really should be substitute-let-args, otherwise it loses transforms
2017-01-30T21:31:27Z stassats: but that's another matter
2017-01-30T21:31:52Z stassats: ok, how do we both inline and dx-allocate
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2017-01-30T21:32:25Z stassats: set up the clean up stuff around the combination?
2017-01-30T21:33:28Z stassats: anyway, i was just after a proof of concept, that accomplished
2017-01-30T21:33:58Z nyef: ... wait, what? That's not the CATCH escape function, it's the BLOCK escape function? But there's no issue if the CATCH isn't in play?
2017-01-30T21:34:25Z stassats: catch is a regular in those dx cases
2017-01-30T21:35:22Z nyef: Hrm. Or maybe it IS the CATCH escape function, but if that's the case then where are the missing cleanups?
2017-01-30T21:35:59Z nyef: Right, BLOCK doesn't have an escape function.
2017-01-30T21:36:35Z nyef: Which means that we somehow have a RETURN-FROM that doesn't generate an EXIT?
2017-01-30T21:36:50Z stassats: (block exit-block (%escape-fun exit-block)) works too
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2017-01-30T21:38:48Z stassats: nyef: (lambda (b) (block b5 (multiple-value-prog1 42 (let ((* (list t))) (declare (dynamic-extent *)) (if b (return-from b5 (%unknown-values)))))))
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2017-01-30T21:39:28Z stassats: well, maybe that's stripping too much
2017-01-30T21:39:29Z stassats: but anyway
2017-01-30T21:39:38Z nyef: Yeah, strips too much.
2017-01-30T21:39:45Z stassats: same error, though
2017-01-30T21:40:38Z nyef: Not seeing it?
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2017-01-30T21:40:53Z stassats: well, (lambda (b) (block b5 (multiple-value-prog1 42 (let ((* (list t))) (declare (dynamic-extent *)) (if b (return-from b5 (sb-c::%unknown-values)))))))
2017-01-30T21:40:55Z stassats: to be exact
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2017-01-30T21:41:13Z stassats: actually
2017-01-30T21:41:17Z nyef: ... still not seeing it?
2017-01-30T21:41:33Z stassats: (lambda (b) (block b5 (multiple-value-prog1 42 (let ((* (list t))) (declare (dynamic-extent *)) (if b (return-from b5 (undefined)))))))
2017-01-30T21:41:59Z nyef: Style warning for undefined, but otherwise not seeing it?
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2017-01-30T21:42:16Z stassats: get a fresh sbcl then
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2017-01-30T21:42:40Z stassats: triggers back to 1.1.17
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2017-01-30T21:43:09Z stassats: actually it doesn't have to be undefined, just something without known values
2017-01-30T21:43:27Z nyef: Building without my local changes now.
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2017-01-30T21:43:50Z stassats: like (lambda (b) (block b5 (multiple-value-prog1 42 (let ((* (list t))) (declare (dynamic-extent *)) (if b (return-from b5 (eval ())))))))
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2017-01-30T21:48:51Z Xach: What is the variable that has info about loaded foreign libraries?
2017-01-30T21:49:04Z Xach: Xof told me long ago and I have lost my notes on the topic
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2017-01-30T21:49:43Z stassats: reopen-shared-objects says SB-SYS:*SHARED-OBJECTS*
2017-01-30T21:49:44Z nyef: Xach: *shared-objects* maybe?
2017-01-30T21:49:49Z Xach: thank you
2017-01-30T21:49:52Z nyef: Heh.
2017-01-30T21:50:11Z stassats: and foreign-reinit says reopen-shared-objects
2017-01-30T21:50:22Z stassats: (my path to *shared-objects*)
2017-01-30T21:50:27Z Xach: Hmm, is there a way to get the truename, or does that depend on the linker config?
2017-01-30T21:51:18Z Xach: my sole loaded shared object has only "libssl.so.1.0.0"
2017-01-30T21:52:00Z stassats: it depends on how you load it
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2017-01-30T21:52:40Z nyef: stassats: Still not seeing it with a fresh build of 1.3.14.123-677faf3.
2017-01-30T21:52:54Z stassats: nyef: your declarations?
2017-01-30T21:53:26Z nyef: Stock environment, --no-sysinit --no-userinit.
2017-01-30T21:53:44Z stassats: well, it fails on all sbcl versions i have lying around
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2017-01-30T21:54:50Z nyef: So, this is probably the one that I fixed yesterday.
2017-01-30T21:55:51Z stassats: rebuilding then
2017-01-30T22:00:32Z stassats: nyef: ok, right
2017-01-30T22:01:37Z stassats: nyef: (lambda (b) (block b5 (multiple-value-prog1 42 (let ((* (list t))) (declare (dynamic-extent *)) (if b (return-from b5 (block exit-block (lambda () (\
2017-01-30T22:01:38Z stassats: return-from exit-block (eval ())))))))))) try this then
2017-01-30T22:01:41Z stassats: err
2017-01-30T22:01:49Z stassats: (lambda (b) (block b5 (multiple-value-prog1 42 (let ((* (list t))) (declare (dynamic-extent *)) (if b (return-from b5 (block exit-block (lambda () (return-from exit-block (eval ()))))))))))
2017-01-30T22:05:33Z nyef: Okay, found *one* clearly-broken assumption, at least.
2017-01-30T22:05:59Z nyef: Which is also enough, by itself, to justify the change that I have.
2017-01-30T22:06:07Z nyef: Now, why the other?
2017-01-30T22:10:23Z nyef: stassats: Your latest test case does fail, and it's the same failure mode that I've been looking at.
2017-01-30T22:10:40Z stassats: yeah, i just unraveled CATCH
2017-01-30T22:12:21Z nyef: Ahh... I see now. Lambda lexenvs start off with a NIL cleanup list.
2017-01-30T22:12:33Z nyef: Okay, that's the other side that I wasn't seeing.
2017-01-30T22:12:51Z nyef: So, the fix that I have is right, and I "just" have to figure out how to explain why.
2017-01-30T22:23:59Z nyef: Now, can I come up with something that still breaks with my latest fix?
2017-01-30T22:24:20Z stassats: just wait for Eric and his random tester
2017-01-30T22:26:26Z nyef: Well, I managed to trigger a (NOT (MEMQ PUSH END-STACK)) with my first attempt, but that's not the effect that I was looking for...
2017-01-30T22:26:37Z nyef: Still, it *is* a stack analysis issue.
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2017-01-30T23:07:18Z nyef: Yes! It *is* the next iteration of the same damned bug. (-:
2017-01-30T23:07:42Z stassats: catch 'em all
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2017-01-30T23:08:47Z nyef: (lambda (b) (block b5 (multiple-value-prog1 42 (let ((* (list t))) (declare (dynamic-extent *)) (if b (return-from b5 (catch 'nil (tagbody away (go away)))))))))
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2017-01-30T23:09:03Z stassats: failed AVER: (NOT (MEMQ PUSH END-STACK))
2017-01-30T23:09:07Z nyef: Yup.
2017-01-30T23:09:19Z nyef: But if you (defun sb-c::may-delete-vestigial-exit (node) (declare (ignore node)) nil) it goes away.
2017-01-30T23:10:26Z stassats: (lambda (b) (block b5 (multiple-value-prog1 42 (let ((* (list t))) (declare (dynamic-extent *)) (if b (return-from b5 (catch 'nil (error ""))))))))
2017-01-30T23:10:27Z stassats: same result
2017-01-30T23:10:50Z nyef: Okay, yes, I'll believe that.
2017-01-30T23:10:54Z nyef: Because ERROR doesn't return.
2017-01-30T23:13:48Z stassats: NIL return type, to be exact
2017-01-30T23:14:28Z nyef: Right. Basically, the only predecessor to the vestigial exit is from another lambda.
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2017-01-30T23:15:10Z nyef: I think I know where this is going, though.
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2017-01-31T00:08:42Z nyef: Okay, the next fix seems to work in light testing, just doing a full build now so that I can run the test suite.
2017-01-31T00:09:14Z nyef: And I'm going to ask for a code-review before I commit this time, since I'm not quite happy with what I've come up with for this one.
2017-01-31T00:24:29Z nyef: minion: chant
2017-01-31T00:24:29Z minion: MORE SUBTLE
2017-01-31T00:27:36Z stassats: nyef: except that you're probably the only one who can review stack analysis problems
2017-01-31T00:31:15Z nyef: Sure, I'm not asking for a correctness review, more a style review.
2017-01-31T00:31:57Z stassats: and i don't get too deep into stack analysis because i know you'll deal with it
2017-01-31T00:32:35Z nyef: http://paste.lisp.org/display/337813
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2017-01-31T00:34:58Z stassats: nyef: are all other users of map-nested-cleanups not affected by this?
2017-01-31T00:35:14Z nyef: Other users typically have the block handy.
2017-01-31T00:36:24Z stassats: nyef: and what's with (values t)?
2017-01-31T00:36:30Z nyef: ... where?
2017-01-31T00:36:34Z stassats: original
2017-01-31T00:36:35Z nyef: Oh, there?
2017-01-31T00:36:58Z nyef: Because the default is "yes, you may delete this exit", and then we run through a list of reasons why not.
2017-01-31T00:37:07Z nyef: Err... s/exit/vestigial exit/.
2017-01-31T00:37:11Z stassats: (VALUES t)
2017-01-31T00:38:03Z nyef: Using VALUES makes it more obvious that it's deliberate, rather than a stray thing.
2017-01-31T00:38:12Z stassats: it doesn't
2017-01-31T00:38:13Z stassats: really
2017-01-31T00:39:05Z nyef: Okay, well, I can take it out... But not in this commit.
2017-01-31T00:40:04Z nyef: Hrm. Running the test suite on interpreter still breaks with a heap exhaustion in :map-allocated-objects-no-consing.
2017-01-31T00:40:42Z stassats: why do only casts have vestigial exits?
2017-01-31T00:41:50Z nyef: It's not that casts have vestigial exits, it's that some casts ARE vestigial exits. See maybe-delete-exit, earlier in ir1opt.
2017-01-31T00:44:52Z stassats: no wonder it's so fragile
2017-01-31T00:46:54Z nyef: We can easily tag out the vestigial exits. And we *want* to get rid of the exits where possible.
2017-01-31T00:47:33Z nyef: Overall, the system is a lot better than it was three years ago.
2017-01-31T00:47:44Z stassats: could it use a different node, not cast?
2017-01-31T00:48:18Z nyef: We'd have to create a new node type.
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2017-01-31T00:48:39Z nyef: And we'd still want to delete them where possible.
2017-01-31T00:48:41Z stassats: sure, or does valued-node not provide enough interface?
2017-01-31T00:49:26Z nyef: CAST wild-type to wild-type has a copy semantic at IR2 level.
2017-01-31T00:50:39Z nyef: Note that we can say (defun may-delete-vestigial-exit (cast) (not (cast-vestigial-exit-lexenv cast))) and the compiler will simply preserver all of the vestigial exit casts and delete the others as per its old policy.
2017-01-31T00:54:20Z nyef: The part that I don't like in this patch is the double DO loops from not having the actual block (which *is* deleted in our test cases).
2017-01-31T00:56:29Z stassats: can may-delete-vestigial-exit be called before %make-cast .. :vestigial is created?
2017-01-31T00:56:51Z stassats: to avoid creating it if it can already be deleted
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2017-01-31T00:57:53Z nyef: That... would mean that the exit node, and thus block, is still around, so it'd be a win.
2017-01-31T00:58:20Z nyef: Problem is, DCE can make a previously undeletable vestigial exit deletable.
2017-01-31T00:58:23Z stassats: but that wouldn't cover all the cases
2017-01-31T00:58:32Z stassats: just an optimization
2017-01-31T00:58:51Z nyef: And not even the full DCE pass, even just basic dead code removal.
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2017-01-31T01:06:07Z stassats: nyef: why can't node-enclosing-cleanup be used?
2017-01-31T01:07:56Z nyef: Because the node in question was deleted.
2017-01-31T01:08:16Z nyef: (The node in question being the EXIT.)
2017-01-31T01:09:04Z stassats: what about, add lexenv-enclosing-cleanup, (defun node-enclosing-cleanup (node) (lexenv-enclosing-cleanup (node-lexenv node)))
2017-01-31T01:09:15Z stassats: and instead of your do (lexenv-enclosing-cleanup )
2017-01-31T01:09:19Z stassats: DO
2017-01-31T01:11:15Z nyef: Hrm... Okay, that's a start.  Do you have any ideas for the outer DO?
2017-01-31T01:13:09Z stassats: could overload BLOCK
2017-01-31T01:13:41Z stassats: block-or-lexenv
2017-01-31T01:14:16Z stassats: (if (block-p block-or-lexenv) (block-end-cleanup block) (lexenv-enclosing-cleanup block))
2017-01-31T01:14:21Z stassats: can't say i'm a fun of such overloadings
2017-01-31T01:14:26Z stassats: fan
2017-01-31T01:14:27Z nyef: That seems somewhat workable, but... yeah.
2017-01-31T01:14:52Z nyef: Although, typically the type would be known at compile-time, wouldn't ut?
2017-01-31T01:14:55Z nyef: s/ut/it/
2017-01-31T01:15:11Z stassats: well, this is map-nested-cleanups, not inlined
2017-01-31T01:15:38Z nyef: Push the coercion out to do-nested-cleanups?
2017-01-31T01:15:59Z nyef: It's the only caller anyway.
2017-01-31T01:16:15Z stassats: well, i doubt performance matters here
2017-01-31T01:18:57Z stassats: why is node-enclosing-cleanup even needed?
2017-01-31T01:19:20Z stassats: why aren't cleanups inherited by child lexenvs?
2017-01-31T01:19:57Z stassats: or one lexenv can only have one cleanup?
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2017-01-31T01:22:10Z nyef: One lexenv, one cleanup. Plus clambdas start off with no cleanups, so it has to crawl up the call chain as well.
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2017-01-31T01:50:38Z nyef: http://paste.lisp.org/display/337813#1
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2017-01-31T01:52:54Z nyef: I'm probably going to commit this version... as two separate commits.
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2017-01-31T02:12:37Z dougk_: how would people feel about removing the favoritism setting for prefer-symbols-as-ASCII, and *ALWAYS* preferring base-char? technically MAKE-SYMBOL can copy its argument (in an unspecified way). So I'd like to handle it at that level.
2017-01-31T02:13:49Z dougk_: change 437e4e193c added two separately selectable preferences but I think only the one for string literals is technically necessary
2017-01-31T02:14:19Z dougk_: and in any case the preference does not disable creation of UCS4 names if the incoming string has a non-base char
2017-01-31T02:14:38Z nyef: ... I find that I care far less about the element type of symbol names than I do about when x86 code fixups get envectored.
2017-01-31T02:14:47Z dougk_: meaning ... ?
2017-01-31T02:15:17Z dougk_: you liked them envectored in genesis I take it
2017-01-31T02:15:40Z nyef: Yes, for dynamic space relocation.
2017-01-31T02:15:51Z nyef: The patch is still out there, even if it's never been merged.
2017-01-31T02:16:24Z nyef: By the same token, it's not worth worrying about where the fixups get envectored until we *do* merge the dynamic space relocation patch.
2017-01-31T02:16:48Z nyef: Since it'll work on every other platform at cold-init time, and we already know why it would only break on x86.
2017-01-31T02:23:54Z dougk_: well, there's now another place that differs. x86-64 packs lists into a bignum in cold-init. saves about 6x the space over a vector of ub32
2017-01-31T02:24:32Z dougk_: i can probably make them both happen in genesis since you have a definite opinion on the matter
2017-01-31T02:29:55Z nyef: Again, it's not particularly worth doing until we are looking at relocatable dynamic space.
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2017-01-31T07:02:41Z myrkraverk: Why does SBCL on OS X fail to sleep after fork?
2017-01-31T07:02:49Z myrkraverk: http://paste.lisp.org/+78O4
2017-01-31T07:02:56Z myrkraverk: Afaict, this is not a problem on linux.
2017-01-31T07:02:57Z myrkraverk: Let me confirm the example code on linux, btw.
2017-01-31T07:03:55Z eschatologist: It probably depends greatly on what else has been done in the parent process and may be running in the child process.
2017-01-31T07:04:05Z myrkraverk: Nope, no problem on Linux.
2017-01-31T07:04:24Z myrkraverk: eschatologist: What you see is what you get.
2017-01-31T07:04:26Z eschatologist: Something like fork() belies an enormous amount of complexity; in general, if you can avoid forking, you should.
2017-01-31T07:05:50Z eschatologist: For example, if you need to run another executable, including possibly having it inherit some file descriptors, posix_spawn() is a much better API to use because there's no cloning of address space or other resources involved.
2017-01-31T07:05:52Z myrkraverk: Well, true.  But for my actual program, I find it simpler to fork than to need sysadmin privs and create init scripts/systemd files and whatnot.
2017-01-31T07:06:10Z myrkraverk: eschatologist: did you look at the paste?
2017-01-31T07:06:10Z eschatologist: So you're writing a daemon?
2017-01-31T07:06:14Z myrkraverk: Yes.
2017-01-31T07:06:36Z myrkraverk: And because I (sleep) in it, I can't test anything on OS X.
2017-01-31T07:06:49Z eschatologist: Yes, and as I said, it probably depends greatly on what else has been done in the process.
2017-01-31T07:07:34Z myrkraverk: So, if I'm not doing anything apart from what's in the example code I pasted, what "else" is there?
2017-01-31T07:07:40Z eschatologist: The SBCL runtime.
2017-01-31T07:07:59Z eschatologist: For example, SBCL may be doing things with Mach ports that don't translate over to the other side of the fork.
2017-01-31T07:08:22Z eschatologist: I don't know because I'm not an SBCL runtime internals hacker, but that would be my first avenue of exploration.
2017-01-31T07:08:30Z myrkraverk: Hmm.
2017-01-31T07:09:17Z eschatologist: The hint is the "(ipc/send) invalid destination port" - that's definitely Mach related.
2017-01-31T07:09:57Z myrkraverk: Yeah.
2017-01-31T07:10:07Z myrkraverk: I guess I can try to grep that in the source code.
2017-01-31T07:11:17Z eschatologist: That's probably a Darwin perror() rather than an SBCL error.
2017-01-31T07:11:48Z myrkraverk: Yeah.  I don't find it in the SBCL sources.
2017-01-31T07:16:53Z eschatologist: Looks like the first thing that SBCL's mach_fork() does (if sb-posix:fork even calls it) is set up the exception handler thread again, there may be some port ownership issue with something it's doing as part of that.
2017-01-31T07:26:58Z myrkraverk: Could be.  It's annoying that I can't test the daemon part of the code on OS X.  I can however work on the non-daemon part, so I guess I'll do that for now.
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2017-01-31T08:09:49Z eschatologist: As long as it doesn't need to fork to be usable as a daemon, it should wind up fine on macOS. All it'll need is a launchd plist that passes the right command-line argument.
2017-01-31T08:14:57Z myrkraverk: That's not exactly my issue -- I wanted to test the forking parts on OS X.
2017-01-31T08:15:09Z myrkraverk: But I can't with SBCL as is.
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2017-01-31T11:58:45Z stassats: got a fix for the darwin fork-sleep problem, but i think there are more problems with fork and mach ports
2017-01-31T11:58:51Z stassats: potential leaks
2017-01-31T12:06:15Z stassats: ok, nothing seems to be leaking
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2017-01-31T12:19:08Z stassats:  ; /Users/stas/lisp/impl/sbcl/tests/parallel-fasl-load-test.fasl written
2017-01-31T12:19:09Z stassats: Memory fault at 0x1002dba0 (pc=0x21f19490, sp=0x837d460)
2017-01-31T12:24:44Z stassats: can trigger parallel-fasl-load-test semi reliably on macOS
2017-01-31T12:25:01Z stassats: getting Unhandled SIGILL now
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2017-01-31T12:40:08Z stassats: reliably get sigill
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2017-01-31T13:12:18Z stassats: no idea why i'm only seeing this on a mac
2017-01-31T13:12:35Z stassats: maybe the cpu configuration, 2/4 cores/threads
2017-01-31T13:16:01Z stassats: well
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2017-01-31T13:16:11Z stassats: set-fdefn-fun is not really atomic, is it
2017-01-31T13:16:45Z stassats: it first changes the fun slot, then the raw-addr slot, but isn't raw-addr a non-descriptor?
2017-01-31T13:17:31Z stassats: with function no longer pointing anywhere, can it get collected but call raw-addr anyway?
2017-01-31T13:17:49Z stassats: i think i can cook up a set-fdefn-fun and insert a gc between those two sets
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2017-01-31T13:24:01Z stassats: but the function should still be on the stack
2017-01-31T13:25:26Z stassats: oh, but if it switches concurrently
2017-01-31T13:26:38Z stassats: but scav_fdefn takes raw_addr into account
2017-01-31T13:28:22Z stassats: and looks like dougk_ already fixed the fdefn issues
2017-01-31T13:28:34Z stassats: so how come this is happening
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2017-01-31T14:13:36Z stassats: oh bother, is ldb broken too? it prints SELF of a function which does not look right
2017-01-31T14:16:07Z stassats: but dump says the same thing
2017-01-31T14:17:26Z stassats: ok, %simple-fun-self applies some offset
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2017-01-31T16:24:40Z nyef: v3: http://paste.lisp.org/display/337813#2
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2017-01-31T20:22:22Z stassats: testing the fix for the logand bug
2017-01-31T20:22:38Z stassats: the fix not also fixes the bug but optimizes more cases
2017-01-31T20:22:45Z stassats: s/also/only/
2017-01-31T20:25:44Z nyef: stassats: Are you still working on lp#383079, or did you put it aside for now?
2017-01-31T20:26:54Z stassats: lp 383079
2017-01-31T20:26:54Z specbot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/383079
2017-01-31T20:27:15Z stassats: nyef: not working on it
2017-01-31T20:29:07Z nyef: Did you get any further than http://paste.lisp.org/display/337807 ?
2017-01-31T20:29:44Z stassats: didn't touch it after that
2017-01-31T20:30:13Z nyef: Okay, thanks. I'll probably post a link to the paste into the bug, and possibly take a deeper look later on.
2017-01-31T20:30:47Z nyef: Currently catching up on test cases for the stack analysis / vestigial exit stuff.
2017-01-31T20:30:58Z stassats: better copy it, paste.lisp.org is not really reliable
2017-01-31T20:31:17Z stassats: (because i'm not reliable)
2017-01-31T20:33:15Z nyef: So noted.
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2017-01-31T21:37:20Z nyef: ... Do we know if the random-tester uses TAGBODY / GO at all?
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2017-01-31T22:00:14Z stassats: nyef: does LOOP count?
2017-01-31T22:00:48Z nyef: Not sure. Maybe?
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2017-01-31T22:02:18Z nyef: Right, getting close to done-ish, though I found a possible bug elsewhere.
2017-01-31T22:03:00Z nyef: In LOCALL, there's a function, ONLY-HARMLESS-CLEANUPS, which I'm not convinced is right.
2017-01-31T22:05:11Z Lord_Nightmare: rename it to MOSTLY-HARMLESS-CLEANUPS
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2017-01-31T22:12:15Z nyef: Right. Good Hitchhiker's Guide reference, but no. d-:
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2017-01-31T22:35:54Z nyef sighs.
2017-01-31T22:36:47Z nyef: I think that the problem that I've been having with trying to come up with a test case for exit deletion that involves a TAGBODY is that TAGBODY / GO has no value semantics.
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2017-01-31T23:39:23Z stassats: nyef: add a block + return-from?
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2017-01-31T23:50:27Z nyef: Maybe. Also possibly a closed-over reference somewhere.
2017-01-31T23:51:15Z nyef: Or it could be that there simply *isn't* a case where it breaks, even without the tagbody logic in M-D-V-E.
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