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Deleting some code that has been dead for fifteen years, two months, and two days. 2016-11-01T00:53:36Z stassats quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-11-01T00:57:23Z _death: did it smell 2016-11-01T01:37:54Z nyef: Not too badly, really: If it did, somebody would have noticed and gotten rid of it already. 2016-11-01T01:47:28Z _death: still looking for feedback on highly inefficient https://github.com/death/sbcl/commit/4341538e3e4f62ae111fee2e657d5969322f6b02 2016-11-01T01:49:43Z nyef: _death: I'm unable to help you there, as PCL is one of the parts of the system that I simply Do Not Understand. 2016-11-01T01:53:22Z _death: well, it's more about the type discrimination/declaration kludgery in CL.. the investigation also exposed a bug in the typechecking test 2016-11-01T02:21:49Z em1l joined #sbcl 2016-11-01T02:22:17Z dougk__ joined #sbcl 2016-11-01T02:25:02Z em1l_ quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-11-01T02:28:20Z dougk__: I believe i've found the occult heap corruption bug in parallel load 2016-11-01T02:29:02Z nyef: Oh? 2016-11-01T02:29:25Z dougk__: imagine GC occuring in between the two stores in the set-fdefn-fun vop 2016-11-01T02:29:40Z dougk__: the raw fun slot looks like a fixnum, so references no heap object (ostensibly). 2016-11-01T02:29:44Z nyef: Yeah, that'd do it. 2016-11-01T02:29:52Z dougk__: but it's only fixed up by GC if it *matches* the tagged object 2016-11-01T02:30:03Z nyef: Right, because otherwise it's a tramp. 2016-11-01T02:30:06Z dougk__: so if they don't match, you have a thread holding the fdefn about to jump to that fixnum 2016-11-01T02:30:26Z dougk__: and bam, it's either been zeroed out, or fine-grained-wiped, or simply written over with new objects 2016-11-01T02:30:38Z dougk__: wow, was that crazy. I've been poking at it for nearly 3 weeks 2016-11-01T02:31:39Z dougk__: and of course since all information is lost, but gc's view of the heap is that all invariants are satisfied, nothing we have would indicate an error except process death 2016-11-01T02:31:53Z nyef: Right. 2016-11-01T02:32:31Z nyef: Actually, the entire mechanism is not threadsafe. 2016-11-01T02:33:21Z dougk__: right, but foom convinced me that semantic corruption can't happen - you can change simple to non-simple or vice-versa and won't actually go wrong in terms of control flow 2016-11-01T02:33:53Z dougk__: we had totally disregarded the question of whether the jump was legal at all. d'oh! 2016-11-01T02:33:55Z nyef: I'll have to think about that a bit. 2016-11-01T02:34:23Z nyef: ... right, normal functions don't care about their lexenv, just closures and funcallable-instances, and they go through the closure tramp. 2016-11-01T02:35:11Z nyef: And closure-tramp on a normal function pulls simple-fun-self, so no effect. 2016-11-01T02:35:18Z dougk__: well anyway I have 12 concurrent processes running the 3-thread parallel load and hopefully none will die by tomorrow morning. I'll call that a win. 2016-11-01T02:36:13Z nyef: There is some sort of reliance on memory ordering there, though. 2016-11-01T02:36:51Z dougk__: yes, a tad 2016-11-01T02:36:59Z nyef: Good catch! 2016-11-01T02:37:29Z dougk__: thanks. i needed to find this because my immobile code patch made it worse somehow 2016-11-01T02:37:30Z nyef: And I put a zombie reference in a commit about removing dead code today. 2016-11-01T02:37:35Z dougk__: ironically 2016-11-01T02:37:39Z dougk__: nice 2016-11-01T02:37:58Z dougk__: oh, i remember - i put toplevel code in dynamic space, so it's still movable, but the sequence of instructions to write an fdefn is longer 2016-11-01T02:38:08Z dougk__: so there's a wider window of error 2016-11-01T02:38:35Z dougk__: plus notice my use of the word "occult" 2016-11-01T02:39:10Z nyef: Maybe always slap down the closure tramp, then the new function, then optionally the raw-fun? 2016-11-01T02:39:40Z rumbler31 joined #sbcl 2016-11-01T02:39:41Z dougk__: i don't think we should worry about people actually *doing* this kind of thing. just not corrupting the process is good enough 2016-11-01T02:41:57Z nyef: There's only two valid values that aren't part of the function, isn't there? We could have the GC set it to the closure-tramp or undefined-tramp straight-up if it's out-of-bounds. 2016-11-01T02:43:16Z dougk__: what my fix does is allow the slots to each refer to an object independently. I'm taking the approach that if you can set them non-atomically, then GC should at least be aware that they're each pointers. i.e. there's no comparison of one against the other 2016-11-01T02:43:21Z dougk__: so out-of-bounds isn't really testable 2016-11-01T02:43:39Z dougk__: it's a separate question of whether we should actually enforce pseudo-atomicity of the write of those slots 2016-11-01T02:43:48Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2016-11-01T02:44:47Z nyef: Outside the VOP level, you can't really set them non-atomically without breaking out the SAP functions. 2016-11-01T02:45:13Z nyef: If the function is NIL, then the raw-addr is either the undefined-tramp or about to be set to the undefined-tramp. 2016-11-01T02:45:24Z nyef: Oh! 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Or do I have to do something special to make sb-bsd-sockets work? 2016-11-02T23:06:04Z fiddlerwoaroof_: 2016-11-02T23:06:25Z stassats: is it broken? 2016-11-02T23:07:19Z fiddlerwoaroof_: When I run sh make.sh --prefix=$HOME && INSTALL_ROOT=$HOME ./install.sh 2016-11-02T23:07:23Z nyef: fiddlerwoaroof_: What do you find for errors in output/building-contrib.sb-bsd-sockets ? 2016-11-02T23:07:46Z fiddlerwoaroof_: Then I can't load quicklisp because of a "can't require sb-bsd-sockets" error 2016-11-02T23:07:46Z fiddlerwoaroof_: 2016-11-02T23:07:53Z fiddlerwoaroof_: nyef: I'll look into that 2016-11-02T23:12:12Z fiddlerwoaroof_: http://paste.lisp.org/+72QX 2016-11-02T23:12:20Z fiddlerwoaroof_: Looks like inet6 test failures 2016-11-02T23:12:32Z DeadTrickster quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2016-11-02T23:12:49Z fiddlerwoaroof_: The whole thing is here: http://pastebin.com/fZHWAe2G 2016-11-02T23:13:11Z DeadTrickster joined #sbcl 2016-11-02T23:13:54Z nyef: ... Protocol not supported? 2016-11-02T23:14:14Z stassats: ipv6 is too cutting edge 2016-11-02T23:14:18Z fiddlerwoaroof_: I'm running in a jail, maybe I haven't setup the environment correctly 2016-11-02T23:14:45Z nyef: Yeah, I've got no idea there. 2016-11-02T23:15:33Z stassats: well, just mark it as passing a test 2016-11-02T23:16:14Z nyef: touch(1) the test-passed file? 2016-11-02T23:16:25Z stassats: i'm also inclined to remove the whole test-passed thing 2016-11-02T23:16:29Z stassats: when was it ever useful? 2016-11-02T23:16:41Z stassats: beside making the ipv6 even more robust 2016-11-02T23:16:47Z stassats: (didn't i do that already? 2016-11-02T23:17:07Z stassats: Author: Stas Boukarev 2016-11-02T23:17:08Z stassats: Date: Wed Apr 15 01:06:35 2015 +0300 2016-11-02T23:17:08Z stassats: sb-bsd-sockets: Stop failing tests when there's no ipv6 support. 2016-11-02T23:17:13Z stassats: freebsd must be special 2016-11-02T23:17:50Z nyef: It's a decent warning flag for something having gone wrong with contribs, especially when there's an out-and-out crash-the-process problem. 2016-11-02T23:18:26Z nyef: (Which, I realize, most people don't run into, but I do often enough.) 2016-11-02T23:18:37Z stassats: the perennial sb-concurrency build problems annoy me, it's not it not usable because of that 2016-11-02T23:18:43Z nyef: FreeBSD seems to report protocol not supported rather than address family not supported. 2016-11-02T23:20:12Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2016-11-02T23:20:35Z fiddlerwoaroof_: Ok, so how would I get around this, I'm not really all that familiar with how the build process works 2016-11-02T23:21:58Z nyef: Three ways come to mind. Faking up the test-passed file is one of them. Adding additional conditions to check for in the three failing test cases is another. 2016-11-02T23:21:59Z stassats: fiddlerwoaroof_: i pushed a fix but you'll have to test it for me 2016-11-02T23:23:49Z fiddlerwoaroof_: Ok, cloning it right now. 2016-11-02T23:24:20Z stassats: nyef: not including the contrib in installation is of a rather delayed warning kind 2016-11-02T23:24:45Z stassats: do we at least return non-0 on failed contribs? 2016-11-02T23:30:37Z fiddlerwoaroof_: Ok, that patch seemed to fix it 2016-11-02T23:34:43Z cromachina joined #sbcl 2016-11-02T23:41:21Z fiddlerwoaroof_: Thanks, I can use quicklisp now 2016-11-03T00:17:11Z Guest20298 quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 2016-11-03T00:18:37Z Reinisch quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-11-03T00:19:17Z drl joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T00:20:52Z jdz quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-11-03T00:22:45Z jdz joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T00:52:43Z Reinisch joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T00:56:06Z drl quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 2016-11-03T01:02:48Z drl joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T01:35:09Z rpg joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T01:36:33Z rpg_ joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T01:39:28Z rpg quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-03T02:18:01Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-03T02:20:22Z em1l joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T02:22:33Z _death: something seriously wrong with SBCL.. typing 'v' for #18 leads to json-builder.lisp??? https://i.imgur.com/vMJzaUo.png 2016-11-03T02:23:29Z em1l_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-11-03T02:23:51Z stassats: with sbcl or with slime? 2016-11-03T02:24:10Z _death: I assume the source location info is sbcl's responsibility? 2016-11-03T02:24:29Z _death: the problem I want to diagnose is with slime (autodoc) 2016-11-03T02:24:36Z stassats: let's take assuming out of the equation first 2016-11-03T02:25:06Z _death: if I assume nothing, then I have nothing to say 2016-11-03T02:25:54Z stassats: ok then 2016-11-03T02:38:15Z Reinisch quit (Quit: Leaving...) 2016-11-03T02:40:15Z _death left #sbcl 2016-11-03T03:02:40Z slyrus joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T03:06:05Z joshe quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-03T03:20:32Z joshe joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T03:21:40Z stassats quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-03T05:00:56Z rumbler31 joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T05:04:42Z shka_ joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T05:05:44Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-03T05:13:29Z rpg_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-03T05:37:52Z shka_ quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2016-11-03T06:10:18Z drl quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-11-03T06:39:04Z ASau quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2016-11-03T06:40:03Z edgar-rft joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T07:02:08Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2016-11-03T07:22:37Z gingerale joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T07:52:08Z ASau joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T07:58:58Z ASau quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-11-03T07:59:42Z ASau` joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T08:16:12Z gingerale quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-11-03T08:20:32Z scymtym joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T08:28:37Z angavrilov joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T08:34:00Z ASau` quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-11-03T08:34:41Z ASau` joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T08:39:27Z ASau` quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-11-03T08:40:44Z ASau` joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T08:42:40Z Bike quit (Quit: late) 2016-11-03T08:50:25Z scymtym quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-11-03T08:55:37Z ASau` quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-03T08:58:49Z scymtym joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T09:16:30Z rumbler31 joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T09:21:00Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-03T09:33:14Z m00natic joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T11:02:21Z ASau joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T11:59:10Z sjl joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T12:00:18Z rpg joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T12:01:44Z rpg_ joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T12:04:36Z rpg quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-11-03T12:19:27Z ASau quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-03T12:34:35Z edgar-rft quit (Quit: edgar-rft) 2016-11-03T12:34:56Z rpg_ quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2016-11-03T13:34:49Z cromachina quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-11-03T13:41:09Z sjl quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-11-03T14:00:22Z rumbler31 joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T14:14:24Z rpg joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T14:19:22Z rpg quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2016-11-03T14:33:50Z sjl joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T14:37:57Z rpg joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T15:06:44Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-03T15:22:29Z nzambe joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T15:23:23Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2016-11-03T15:27:18Z rpg_ joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T15:29:01Z rpg quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-03T15:38:34Z m00natic quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-11-03T16:44:44Z Reinisch joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T16:46:38Z jdz quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 2016-11-03T16:46:48Z jdz joined #sbcl 2016-11-03T16:48:19Z rpg_ is now known as rpg 2016-11-03T17:09:16Z rpg quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I think it may use pc-relative on x86-64, though. 2016-11-04T18:38:52Z leo_song quit (K-Lined) 2016-11-04T18:48:26Z ASau joined #sbcl 2016-11-04T18:53:41Z ASau` joined #sbcl 2016-11-04T18:54:54Z ASau quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-11-04T18:57:29Z angavrilov_ joined #sbcl 2016-11-04T18:57:44Z angavrilov quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-11-04T18:58:09Z drmeister: I see - so x86-64 does have pc-relative but x86-32 and earlier doesn't? 2016-11-04T19:00:42Z leo_song joined #sbcl 2016-11-04T19:00:44Z eschatologist quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-04T19:01:03Z eschatologist joined #sbcl 2016-11-04T19:10:30Z nyef`: Right. 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Yes, what platform? 2016-11-07T18:51:08Z rpg joined #sbcl 2016-11-07T19:08:58Z DGASAU quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-11-07T19:09:22Z DGASAU joined #sbcl 2016-11-07T19:10:37Z nyef: Hunh. Just tried to build --arch=x86, and it crashed to LDB at the start of target-2. 2016-11-07T19:11:41Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-07T19:12:12Z nyef: ... file claims that the runtime is 32-bit, the fasl headers in from-xc are for x86... 2016-11-07T19:12:47Z nyef: Blows up with a memory fault during cold-init. 2016-11-07T19:26:12Z |3b| wonders if BUG-936304 test would be faster and still valid if it used a typed array (particularly when compiled with a large heap) 2016-11-07T19:28:27Z |3b|: instead of spending time to collect a few billion NILs 2016-11-07T19:30:05Z nyef: Hrm. Something to do with stat_wrapper ? 2016-11-07T19:31:21Z rpg quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Is that the memory model with 32-bit address space and 64-bit registers? 2016-11-07T19:54:16Z |3b|: it is when i test the sbcl i'm installing :) 2016-11-07T19:54:38Z nyef: Or am I mixing it up with something else? 2016-11-07T19:54:53Z stassats: nyef: that's x32 2016-11-07T19:57:44Z m00natic joined #sbcl 2016-11-07T19:58:23Z |3b|: stassats: mostly just idle curiosity rather than serious suggestion, since the rest takes a while anyway, mainly interested in it because it takes long enough to wonder if it locked (which needs monitored when running tests on windows) 2016-11-07T20:00:50Z madbub quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-11-07T20:03:11Z m00natic quit (Quit: Bye) 2016-11-07T20:03:28Z m00natic joined #sbcl 2016-11-07T20:03:56Z m00natic quit (Client Quit) 2016-11-07T20:06:51Z DeadTrickster: nyef, x86-64 2016-11-07T20:07:00Z DeadTrickster: hope this helps 2016-11-07T20:14:34Z nyef: DeadTrickster: parallel build or not? 2016-11-07T20:14:40Z nyef: Any special build options? 2016-11-07T20:15:07Z DeadTrickster: just $ sh ./make.sh && cd ./test && sh ./tests.sh 2016-11-07T20:15:20Z nyef: Umm. 2016-11-07T20:15:32Z nyef: I see no "test/" here. 2016-11-07T20:15:48Z DeadTrickster: tests 2016-11-07T20:16:09Z nyef: I see no "tests/tests.sh" here. run-tests.sh, maybe? 2016-11-07T20:16:31Z DeadTrickster: yes 2016-11-07T20:16:39Z nyef: Trying now. 2016-11-07T20:24:06Z _8hzp joined #sbcl 2016-11-07T20:24:58Z _8hzp` quit (Write error: Broken pipe) 2016-11-07T20:35:55Z Reinisch joined #sbcl 2016-11-07T20:38:57Z nyef: ... Still no luck, trying with 1.3.11 itself rather than 1.3.11.16. 2016-11-07T20:42:03Z |3b|: (:timer :parallel-unschedule) seems to be failing as well, and uncaught deadline timeout error causes it to skip rest of file 2016-11-07T20:43:52Z |3b|: (:WITH-TIMEOUT :MANY-AT-THE-SAME-TIME) seems to have failed/locked up that time too 2016-11-07T20:45:07Z attila_lendvai quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2016-11-07T20:45:59Z gingerale quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-11-07T20:46:02Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2016-11-07T20:46:52Z Reinisch quit (Quit: Leaving...) 2016-11-07T20:47:05Z ASau joined #sbcl 2016-11-07T20:47:09Z Reinisch joined #sbcl 2016-11-07T20:51:34Z ASau` joined #sbcl 2016-11-07T20:53:06Z ASau quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2016-11-07T21:00:55Z nyef: DeadTrickster: Still no luck reproducing that test failure here. 2016-11-07T21:01:28Z stassats: it haven't failed for anyone before, not surprising 2016-11-07T21:02:03Z DeadTrickster: nyef, http://pastebin.com/FfRke97r 2016-11-07T21:02:15Z stassats: what's the failure? 2016-11-07T21:02:20Z DeadTrickster: I'll try to recompile 1.3.11 with itself and rerun the tests 2016-11-07T21:06:36Z nyef: Yeah, I'm definitely not getting that here. 2016-11-07T21:13:46Z DeadTrickster: more detailed log: http://pastebin.com/NeWHmM84 2016-11-07T21:14:09Z stassats: 2.20 KB 2016-11-07T21:14:13Z stassats: that's detailed all right 2016-11-07T21:15:30Z DeadTrickster: and this time (without recompiling) it got to the end 2016-11-07T21:15:39Z DeadTrickster: ok 2016-11-07T21:15:39Z DeadTrickster: /apparent success (reached end of run-tests.sh normally) 2016-11-07T21:15:45Z DeadTrickster: paste is from stderr 2016-11-07T21:16:23Z stassats: di you really think there's anything useful in that paste? 2016-11-07T21:17:08Z DeadTrickster: I hope so, at least it shows code 2016-11-07T21:18:29Z |3b|: shows code failing to run a different test file though 2016-11-07T21:20:32Z stassats: |3b|: nothing actually is failing there 2016-11-07T21:20:34Z scymtym joined #sbcl 2016-11-07T21:21:47Z |3b|: if you didn't recompile, try just ./run-tests.sh smoke.impure.lisp 2016-11-07T21:22:03Z |3b|: stassats: ah, that's even less useful then :) 2016-11-07T21:22:43Z stassats: and "it got to the end", it did get to the end before too 2016-11-07T21:23:47Z ASau` quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-11-07T21:24:36Z ASau` joined #sbcl 2016-11-07T21:30:41Z ASau` quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-11-07T21:31:14Z ASau` joined #sbcl 2016-11-07T21:48:01Z nyef: Wow. Umm... Is the test suite not expected to behave with --evaluator-mode interpret as well as it does normally? 2016-11-07T21:48:54Z nyef: I'm counting eight failures, an unhandled error, and an invalid exit status. 2016-11-07T21:49:11Z nyef: On x86-64/linux. 2016-11-07T21:56:30Z scymtym: nyef: afaict, the old interpreter is expected to fail some tests. the new interpreter (--without-sb-eval --with-sb-fasteval) does better 2016-11-07T21:58:18Z scymtym: on a related note, i think compiling with --with-sb-fasteval makes some tests fail in a --evaluator-mode compile run 2016-11-07T22:16:09Z nyef: Lovely. 2016-11-07T22:17:00Z ASau` quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-11-07T22:17:02Z foom: I thought doug changed that recently to have it fallback to the compiler if the interpreter can't handle the compilation context that arises from trying to interpret within an outer compiler-generated function context. 2016-11-07T22:17:25Z foom: (Which is typically the reason the interpreter fails) 2016-11-07T22:20:10Z ASau` joined #sbcl 2016-11-07T22:29:10Z milanj joined #sbcl 2016-11-07T22:30:04Z ASau` is now known as ASau 2016-11-07T22:30:09Z scymtym: i haven't looked at the failures in detail. logs are available here: https://ci.cor-lab.org/job/sbcl-master/1835/featureset=8,label=ubuntu_trusty_32bit/#showFailuresLink 2016-11-07T22:32:09Z shka_ quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2016-11-07T22:42:53Z milanj quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-11-07T22:53:30Z nyef: Okay, with --without-sb-eval --with-sb-fasteval, running tests with --evaluator-mode interpret on x86-64/linux, I get... 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(defun foo (&rest r) (* 2 (first r))) => ; caught STYLE-WARNING: This is not a NUMBER: NIL 2016-11-08T21:18:43Z |3b|: talking about (first r) 2016-11-08T21:18:48Z |3b|: (foo 1) returns 2 2016-11-08T21:19:16Z stassats: (foo ) doesn't 2016-11-08T21:19:30Z |3b|: ah, ok 2016-11-08T21:19:31Z stassats: but this is related to &more 2016-11-08T21:20:41Z stassats: it's transformed into (AND (< (THE SB-INT:INDEX SB-C::N) COUNT) (SB-C:%MORE-ARG SB-C::CONTEXT SB-C::N)) 2016-11-08T21:20:49Z stassats: hence the possible NIL 2016-11-08T21:21:15Z |3b|: yeah, not enough arguments is a valid reason 2016-11-08T21:21:34Z |3b|: just got confused by the definite /is not/ 2016-11-08T21:21:49Z stassats: that's because there is branch 2016-11-08T21:22:07Z stassats: and sbcl is really simple minded 2016-11-08T21:22:38Z |3b|: yeah 2016-11-08T21:23:29Z rpg_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2016-11-08T21:25:17Z stassats: i might see a way or two around that, but i think there are better targets for improvement 2016-11-08T21:49:19Z shka_ quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2016-11-08T22:38:05Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-08T22:49:49Z rumbler31 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-11-08T23:18:45Z npatrick04 joined #sbcl 2016-11-08T23:18:54Z Reinisch quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-11-08T23:19:13Z Reinisch joined #sbcl 2016-11-08T23:30:17Z npatrick04 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-11-08T23:32:35Z dougk_: about to push the immobile code feature. Looks like another ~3% speedup 2016-11-08T23:33:38Z stassats: so, is the code never moving now? 2016-11-08T23:33:58Z stassats: can that be exploited on gengc targets? 2016-11-08T23:34:00Z dougk_: code that is from DEFUN won't move, everything else might 2016-11-08T23:34:23Z stassats: ok 2016-11-08T23:34:26Z dougk_: it's only x86-64, linux+mac. basically layered on the immobile-space patch 2016-11-08T23:34:45Z stassats: i wish we could get rid of this LRA hack 2016-11-08T23:34:53Z dougk_: took me weeks to kill the last few concurrency bugs. 2016-11-08T23:35:28Z dougk_: i think i could port this to the other backends. i'm back to working on SBCL officially pretty soon now (come December) 2016-11-08T23:35:47Z dougk_: everything else was in my spare time. So if you thought that was a lot of patches, wait until next year 2016-11-08T23:36:18Z stassats: but to get rid of LRA all the code must be immovable 2016-11-08T23:36:47Z dougk_: there's no strict reason to put some of the code in movable space, i just didn't want to aggravate fragmentation 2016-11-08T23:37:01Z dougk_: all the toplevel code created by the fasloader becomes garbage as soon as it is funcalled 2016-11-08T23:37:47Z dougk_: i.e. i didn't want to punch holes in the immobile space 2016-11-08T23:38:03Z stassats: fair enough 2016-11-08T23:39:00Z stassats: pinning live code can help 2016-11-08T23:40:45Z stassats: do we even need static functions then? 2016-11-08T23:41:36Z dougk_: no, no need for 2016-11-08T23:42:38Z dougk_: i plan to also try true static linkage for low debug and maximum speed. re-defining a DEFUN would have ill-defined semantics but it's an interesting experiment 2016-11-08T23:43:45Z stassats: could use trampolines to new definitions 2016-11-08T23:46:24Z stassats: does save-lisp-and-die compact the code pages? 2016-11-08T23:47:54Z dougk_: i want to do both of what you just said 2016-11-08T23:47:56Z dougk_: i have not 2016-11-08T23:48:39Z stassats: and there's a possibility of relocatable cores 2016-11-08T23:48:56Z stassats: static functions and symbols and assembly routines are tricky for relocating 2016-11-08T23:49:55Z stassats: truly relocatable, not just for dynamic space 2016-11-09T00:09:58Z cromachina joined #sbcl 2016-11-09T00:37:55Z Bike quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-11-09T01:14:45Z Bike joined #sbcl 2016-11-09T01:31:31Z Bike quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-11-09T01:32:10Z Bike joined #sbcl 2016-11-09T01:40:18Z garamirez joined #sbcl 2016-11-09T01:40:52Z garamirez quit (Client Quit) 2016-11-09T01:41:09Z garamirez joined #sbcl 2016-11-09T02:13:03Z em1l joined #sbcl 2016-11-09T02:16:05Z em1l_ quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2016-11-09T02:37:06Z garamirez quit (Quit: Bye) 2016-11-09T03:34:53Z Reinisch quit (Quit: Leaving...) 2016-11-09T03:35:08Z Reinisch joined #sbcl 2016-11-09T03:50:38Z rumbler31 joined #sbcl 2016-11-09T03:55:08Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-09T03:58:12Z shka_ joined #sbcl 2016-11-09T04:13:57Z rpg joined #sbcl 2016-11-09T04:15:42Z rpg_ joined #sbcl 2016-11-09T04:18:13Z rpg quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2016-11-09T04:21:30Z stassats quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-11-09T04:52:32Z shka_ quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-11-09T04:56:49Z DeadTrickster_ quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2016-11-09T04:57:53Z DeadTrickster_ joined #sbcl 2016-11-09T05:40:57Z rpg_ quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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elude me on darwin 2016-11-09T14:07:32Z stassats: but looks like i can reproduce it now 2016-11-09T14:07:57Z edgar-rft joined #sbcl 2016-11-09T14:09:18Z nspain joined #sbcl 2016-11-09T14:10:01Z macdavid313 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-09T14:16:43Z stassats: i guess this is due to the immobile thing 2016-11-09T14:18:35Z stassats: so, has the layout of code objects changed? 2016-11-09T14:21:33Z stassats: the header data has changed, actually 2016-11-09T14:21:50Z stassats: dougk_: so, how do i know the number of constants? 2016-11-09T14:22:15Z stassats: i guess i can look at alloc_code_object 2016-11-09T14:22:53Z stassats: that didn't change 2016-11-09T14:26:02Z stassats: ok, there's a thing called short-header-max-words 2016-11-09T14:32:36Z cromachina quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-11-09T14:33:07Z nspain left #sbcl 2016-11-09T14:40:49Z stassats: dougk_: ok, i fixed slime by using code-header-words 2016-11-09T14:42:38Z stassats: but this gives me a good test case into the darwin thing 2016-11-09T14:46:36Z scymtym_ joined #sbcl 2016-11-09T14:47:04Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-09T14:53:21Z stassats: don't really get how page 1 not marked as write-protected: gets triggered 2016-11-09T14:56:48Z stassats: there isn't even any threads 2016-11-09T15:02:11Z stassats: the same code faults at 0 on linux 2016-11-09T15:02:25Z stassats: but faulting at 0 manually works ok on osx 2016-11-09T15:03:12Z stassats: is mach misreporting the fault address? 2016-11-09T15:08:04Z DeadTrickster_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-09T15:13:25Z stassats: hm 2016-11-09T15:13:31Z stassats: (sb-sys:sap-ref-word (sb-sys:int-sap 15099246051620046223) 0) => Unhandled memory fault at #x102B69000. 2016-11-09T15:14:45Z stassats: and the address is different each time 2016-11-09T15:15:44Z stassats: if the address is paste 48 bits 2016-11-09T15:17:03Z stassats: (sb-sys:sap-ref-word (sb-sys:int-sap (expt 2 48)) 0) on linux says fault at 0 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The mail came automatically back (“You are not allowed to post to this mailing list”), so I contacted the mailing list owner (sbcl-help-owner@lists.sourceforge.net) but got since 3 days no reply. I don't know how to proceed next and I’d 2016-11-10T15:06:37Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-10T15:07:59Z stassats: i don't know either 2016-11-10T15:11:38Z rpg joined #sbcl 2016-11-10T15:19:06Z rumbler31 joined #sbcl 2016-11-10T15:19:21Z foom: I don't think login is related to subscribing to the list 2016-11-10T15:21:12Z foom: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sbcl-help <- subscribe there. 2016-11-10T15:31:00Z test666_: Well, I did that, and already got the “Welcome to the Sbcl-help@lists.sourceforge.net mailing list!” mail. 2016-11-10T15:31:19Z test666_: I’ll just try to send the mail again… 2016-11-10T15:31:46Z foom: Oh...maybe a mismatch between your "from" address and the address you subscribed? 2016-11-10T15:32:16Z foom: I'm not sure, but sending email to sbcl-help-subscribe@lists.sourceforge.net might work. On some mailing lists it does. 2016-11-10T15:36:29Z rpg quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-10T15:39:37Z test666_: Nope, both didn't help. The mail to the „standard“ address was rejected again, the address you suggested is not valid 2016-11-10T15:40:22Z test666_: oh I've get another idea, let me check 2016-11-10T15:50:54Z test666_: Now it works! The mistake was that I subscribed with a @gmail.com address, but my mail client is sending with @googlemail.com …stupid 2016-11-10T15:53:56Z ASau joined #sbcl 2016-11-10T16:01:04Z Bike joined #sbcl 2016-11-10T16:05:06Z DeadTrickster__ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2016-11-10T16:11:10Z test666_: thank you @stassats and @foom for your help 2016-11-10T16:12:10Z rpg joined #sbcl 2016-11-10T16:15:40Z gingerale joined #sbcl 2016-11-10T16:20:04Z foom quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-10T16:20:41Z test666_ left #sbcl 2016-11-10T16:29:55Z rpg_ joined #sbcl 2016-11-10T16:31:12Z rpg quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-10T16:32:44Z foom joined #sbcl 2016-11-10T17:04:17Z ASau` joined #sbcl 2016-11-10T17:04:20Z ASau quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-10T17:06:35Z rpg_ quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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(tagbody (format t "X~[Y~]" t)) 2016-11-11T08:47:04Z loke: I've been looking at the definition of TAGBODY, but I just don't get it. 2016-11-11T08:47:30Z scymtym: loke: i was just looking at your emails. the correction still seems to be identical to the version in the first email 2016-11-11T08:47:50Z loke: No. The correction doesn't have the LOOP part 2016-11-11T08:47:59Z loke: But it can be reduced to the example above. 2016-11-11T08:48:04Z loke: Run it with the TAGBODY, no error 2016-11-11T08:48:08Z scymtym: ok, i see 2016-11-11T08:48:11Z loke: without the TAGBODY, there is an error. 2016-11-11T08:48:33Z scymtym: i see the problem now 2016-11-11T08:49:14Z loke: Do you see the issue, or its solution? :-) 2016-11-11T08:49:24Z scymtym: only the issue so far 2016-11-11T08:49:27Z loke: OK 2016-11-11T08:50:14Z loke: The funny thing is that it must have to do with some interaction between FORMAT and TAGBODY, since the following does behave as expected: 2016-11-11T08:50:15Z loke: (tagbody (error 'type-error :expected-type 'real :datum t)) 2016-11-11T08:50:30Z loke: But when the same error is raised inside FORMAT, it doesn't propagate. 2016-11-11T08:51:30Z scymtym: yes, maybe some THROW/CATCH or BLOCK/RETURN tag capture 2016-11-11T08:51:38Z scymtym: maybe due to FORMAT transforms 2016-11-11T08:52:13Z loke: scymtym: There is indeed a CATCH inside FORMAT, I saw that. But it's catching a very specific tag (can't remember specifically the name) so I figured it wouldn't have an impact. 2016-11-11T08:57:05Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T08:57:05Z attila_lendvai quit (Changing host) 2016-11-11T08:57:05Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T09:02:26Z scymtym: loke: my hypothesis is this: since i (and probably you) tried the examples at the repl, (format …) is simple enough to be interpreted while (tagbody (format …)) non-simple enough to be compiled 2016-11-11T09:02:53Z scymtym: thus the first version uses the FORMAT interpreter while the second uses the FORMAT compiler 2016-11-11T09:03:32Z scymtym: the two probably differ in their type checking of arguments of the ~[ directive 2016-11-11T09:04:35Z shka joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T09:04:57Z loke: Interesteing, and that should be easily tested. 2016-11-11T09:05:09Z scymtym: i'm looking at the code right now 2016-11-11T09:05:23Z shka_ quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2016-11-11T09:05:41Z loke: scymtym: You are right. Putting it in a function also removes the error 2016-11-11T09:06:20Z loke: Ahh! 2016-11-11T09:06:25Z loke: No error: 2016-11-11T09:06:25Z loke: (defun foo () (format t "X~[Y~]" t)) 2016-11-11T09:06:29Z loke: Gives me error: 2016-11-11T09:06:32Z loke: (defun foo () (declare (optimize (speed 0) (safety 3) (debug 3))) (format t "X~[Y~]" t)) 2016-11-11T09:08:26Z loke: Thanks for shedding light on this scymtym 2016-11-11T09:08:30Z scymtym: i'm trying to look at the output of the FORMAT compiler. but since it outputs code, the optimization policy having an effect is plausible 2016-11-11T09:10:21Z scymtym: hm, i don't how exactly the SAFETY declaration changes things, yet 2016-11-11T09:11:21Z loke: scymtym: I didn't try all the permutations. I just tried to enable the most checks :-) 2016-11-11T09:12:02Z scymtym: low speed disables the FORMAT compiler to produce more compact code 2016-11-11T09:12:06Z scymtym: that's the reason 2016-11-11T09:12:57Z scymtym: in any case, the compiled version should check the type as well 2016-11-11T09:21:27Z ASau joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T09:27:48Z ASau quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-11-11T09:38:47Z ASau joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T09:44:14Z ASau` joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T09:47:08Z ASau quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2016-11-11T09:50:50Z ASau` quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-11-11T09:50:58Z ASau`` joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T10:04:11Z ASau joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T10:04:56Z ASau`` quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-11T10:11:15Z sjl joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T10:14:01Z ASau quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2016-11-11T10:16:39Z ASau joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T10:27:07Z loke quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-11-11T10:38:25Z schjetne quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-11T10:42:51Z ASau quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-11-11T10:43:38Z ASau joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T10:55:10Z ASau quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-11-11T11:10:09Z shka_ joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T11:10:16Z shka quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2016-11-11T11:14:10Z madbub joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T11:16:29Z stassats joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T11:16:52Z rumbler31 joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T11:21:43Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2016-11-11T12:17:04Z stassats quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-11-11T12:21:59Z stassats joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T12:31:20Z ASau joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T12:44:26Z DGASAU quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-11-11T12:48:53Z DGASAU joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T12:54:53Z DGASAU quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-11-11T12:55:20Z DGASAU joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T12:58:53Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-11-11T13:00:17Z rpg joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T13:08:40Z rumbler31 joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T13:08:42Z rumbler31 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-11-11T13:09:00Z rumbler31 joined #sbcl 2016-11-11T13:12:53Z rpg quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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(sb-int:with-float-traps-masked (:invalid :divide-by-zero) (/ 0f0 0f0)) 2016-11-12T03:53:01Z aeth: I want NaN 2016-11-12T03:53:52Z |3b|: which NaN? :p 2016-11-12T03:54:05Z |3b|: https://github.com/nikodemus/sb-cga/blob/master/ports/sbcl.lisp#L59 (and see rest of files in that directory for other implementations) 2016-11-12T03:54:08Z aeth: +nan+ would be (/ 0f0 0f0) and +dnan+ would be (/ 0d0 0d0) 2016-11-12T03:54:47Z aeth: ah 2016-11-12T03:55:08Z aeth: better 2016-11-12T03:55:09Z |3b| isn't sure sb-kernel: is actually any better than sb-int: though 2016-11-12T03:55:18Z aeth: |3b|: no, it's better because the way I do it gives a style warning 2016-11-12T03:55:43Z |3b|: the technique is better, i'm just not sure the interfaces either one uses are supported 2016-11-12T03:56:18Z |3b|: also, watch out for using constants, since constant folding might confuse the compiler 2016-11-12T03:57:40Z aeth: |3b|: This is what I have right now. http://paste.lisp.org/+73FN 2016-11-12T03:57:49Z |3b| is serious about "which NaN?" though, there are signalling and quiet NaNs, and the sign bit and low bits are arbitrary (and sometimes used to carry information) 2016-11-12T03:58:41Z nyef`: Mmm. And the "signalling/quiet" bit can vary in polarity by platform. 2016-11-12T03:59:32Z nyef`: I forget if some platforms use the entire mantissa being zero/non-zero as the signalling/quiet flag. 2016-11-12T03:59:33Z |3b|: possibly even which bits, at least from the description in wikipedia 2016-11-12T03:59:51Z aeth: |3b|: What I'm doing is implementing r7rs in CL for use with my game engine, Zombie Raptor. 2016-11-12T03:59:54Z |3b|: isn't lots of zeros INF? 2016-11-12T04:00:16Z nyef`: Might be. 2016-11-12T04:00:54Z aeth: r7rs has +nan.0 +inf.0 and -inf.0 but iirc they're optional 2016-11-12T04:01:12Z aeth: So on Lisps that support it I'll support it 2016-11-12T04:01:20Z nyef`: Needs to be something special in the exponent, though, IIRC. 2016-11-12T04:01:36Z nyef`: Since floating zero is supposed to also be all-bits-zero. 2016-11-12T04:01:41Z |3b|: yeah, some CL implementations have reader syntax 2016-11-12T04:02:15Z |3b|: right, all 1 in exponent all zero mnantissa is INF, all 1 exponent and non-zero mantissa is NaN, if i'm reading wikipedia right 2016-11-12T04:02:34Z rumbler31 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-11-12T04:02:40Z nyef`: You could sb-kernel:float-from-bits / sb-kernel:double-float-from-bits in a pinch, but that runs smack into the machine-dependence of float representation. 2016-11-12T04:02:45Z |3b|: 1f+-0 for NaN on some CLs 2016-11-12T04:02:57Z aeth: nanp is more important 2016-11-12T04:03:13Z aeth: I don't think I'll ever have to read +nan.0 except in the test files 2016-11-12T04:03:18Z nyef`: I've had to fix SBCL's handling of NaNs and whatnot on a platform or two. 2016-11-12T04:03:27Z |3b|: hmm, maybe just ccl? i thought more had that 2016-11-12T04:03:54Z |3b|: yeah, float-nan-p is in the sb-cga ports dir also 2016-11-12T04:04:50Z |3b|: (ecl implementation is probably still buggy, since it had a workaround for an ecl bug that has already been fixed) 2016-11-12T04:05:12Z nyef`: SYS:SRC;CODE;FLOAT.LISP has FLOAT-NAN-P and FLOAT-TRAPPING-NAN-P functions. 2016-11-12T04:05:31Z |3b|: yeah, that is in sb-ext 2016-11-12T04:06:29Z |3b| supposes you could (more or less) portably build a NaN with cffi 2016-11-12T04:06:52Z |3b| also notes that clisp doesn't support NaN/INF last i looked :/ 2016-11-12T04:07:10Z nyef`: Looks like I hacked on this code just over a year ago? 2016-11-12T04:07:21Z |3b|: (something about "portability" since CL doesn't have them) 2016-11-12T04:08:00Z aeth: |3b|: right, fortunately I don't need NaN/inf in what I'm doing, I just need to use it when I have it 2016-11-12T04:08:03Z aeth: if that makes any sense 2016-11-12T04:08:16Z |3b|: expect to confuse compilers when playing with NaN/INF :) 2016-11-12T04:08:39Z nyef`: Also note that FLOAT-TRAPPING-NAN-P is true of infinities on most platforms. 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So, definitely bad code. Now, it *does* end up in the right memory, because that's the offset at which the field fpregs.fpscr exists. 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I'd like to add support for direct command-line arguments on Windows. 2016-11-20T02:46:40Z edgar-rft quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-11-20T02:47:28Z edgar-rft joined #sbcl 2016-11-20T02:58:39Z em1l joined #sbcl 2016-11-20T03:02:05Z em1l_ quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2016-11-20T03:04:38Z |3b| quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-11-20T03:13:58Z Cthulhux`: Fare, great!