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2016-07-01T06:33:13Z impaktor: Hi! I'm setting up slime (from melpa) with sbcl in emacs. My config is one line, setting inferior-lisp-program to sbcl. Yet, my REPL doesn't look as "nice" as in the tutorials I've seen (that also use sbcl), like Marco Baringer's 1h SLIME tutorial. Is this how it is supposed to be, or am I doing something wrong: http://pastebin.com/BUwGs7az
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2016-07-01T07:57:36Z impaktor: Do I need to put something in .sbclrc to use slime?
2016-07-01T08:04:16Z impaktor: (Ah, I see, I'm slightly in the wrong channel, sorry)
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2016-07-01T22:15:33Z PuercoPop: Hi I'm want for sb-bsd-sockets:get-protocol-by-name to handle ENOENT (for lp#1596043 which seems related to lp#1195002 as well). I have a couple of questions, should I use sb-posix:enoent of sb-unix:enoent when comparing the errno? Should I use sb-int:simple-perror when signaling the error? Also is there any reason why instead of (cond ((eql ..))) case is not used instead?
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2016-07-02T11:24:50Z flip214: christoph_debian: please, bring us poor Debian users a new SBCL! 1.3.7 would be nearly 1e37 ;)
2016-07-02T11:24:53Z flip214: thanks a lot.
2016-07-02T11:25:25Z christoph_debian: ah indeed. was a bit slow the last few months
2016-07-02T11:27:10Z flip214: you're a hero!
2016-07-02T11:28:41Z Cthulhux: flip214, can't you just compile it? :o
2016-07-02T11:30:55Z flip214: Cthulhux: of course *I* can .. but not all of the Debian users want to, me included ;)
2016-07-02T11:31:05Z Cthulhux: :D i see.
2016-07-02T11:31:26Z Cthulhux tries NOT to start a rant about the time when debian users where those who WANTED to compile things. 
2016-07-02T11:31:34Z Cthulhux: lazy 2016's users :D
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2016-07-02T12:19:53Z edgar-rft: People who WANT to compile things should not use debian but http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
2016-07-02T12:38:28Z flip214: Cthulhux: just saving energy ;)
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2016-07-02T13:10:04Z scymtym: if it is not possible, the :simple-intersection2 type method for classoid could be extended such that e.g. (type-intersection stream condition) => *empty-type* which would enable the desired warning
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2016-07-02T16:58:05Z pkhuong: if structs, I think you can do your thing
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2016-07-02T17:35:31Z pkhuong: oh right...
2016-07-02T17:37:03Z stassats: when is sb-vm::symeval/static-wired ever triggered?
2016-07-02T17:37:31Z stassats: (remove-if-not #'sb-vm::wired-tls-symbol-p sb-vm::*static-symbols*)
2016-07-02T17:37:31Z stassats: (SB-VM:*CURRENT-CATCH-BLOCK* SB-VM::*CURRENT-UNWIND-PROTECT-BLOCK* SB-VM:*BINDING-STACK-START* SB-VM:*CONTROL-STACK-START* SB-VM:*CONTROL-STACK-END*
2016-07-02T17:37:31Z stassats:  SB-SYS:*INTERRUPTS-ENABLED* SB-VM::*ALIEN-STACK-POINTER* SB-KERNEL:*PSEUDO-ATOMIC-BITS* SB-VM::*BINDING-STACK-POINTER*)
2016-07-02T17:37:40Z stassats: how many of those are actually accessed through symbol-value?
2016-07-02T17:43:04Z stassats: i think (let ((*x* *x*)) ...) can be optimized, it just needs to push the value to the binding stack
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2016-07-02T17:44:29Z stassats: and *interrupts-enabled*
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2016-07-02T19:38:09Z stassats: sigh, optimizing wired-tls binds on arm64 is quite involved
2016-07-02T19:38:21Z stassats: it being a RISC
2016-07-02T20:35:07Z stassats: converting (let ((* *))) to something is not as easy as i expected
2016-07-02T20:35:33Z stassats: since it's a combination
2016-07-02T20:35:48Z stassats: i have to catch it earlier then
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2016-07-04T12:40:40Z christoph_debian: I think I have a hang in sbcl testsuite
2016-07-04T12:40:44Z christoph_debian: 1.3.7
2016-07-04T12:41:16Z christoph_debian: ::: Running (WAIT-ON-SEMAPHORE SEMAPHORE-NOTIFICATION)
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2016-07-04T12:55:38Z christoph_debian: is that expected and I have to manually kill sbcl to get tests to finish?
2016-07-04T13:01:15Z scymtym_: christoph_debian: that is a known bug in that particular test. unless it hangs every time, you can assume that the hang does not indicate a regression
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2016-07-04T13:02:38Z christoph_debian: hum ok
2016-07-04T13:03:51Z scymtym_: you can run the test repeatedly via sh run-tests.sh threads.pure.lisp
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2016-07-04T13:57:53Z sjl: if I have an array of :element-type 't, and store a bunch of fixnums in it, SBCL will store the fixnums right in the array's hunk of memory, not as pointers to some other memory on the heap, right?
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2016-07-04T14:07:11Z scymtym_: sjl: no. :element-type determines the layout in memory
2016-07-04T14:08:23Z Xof`: but fixnums are not pointers anyway
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2016-07-04T14:11:25Z sjl: scymtym_: really?  but why does this work then?  http://paste.stevelosh.com/577a6e7f3a53230007d7447c
2016-07-04T14:12:08Z sjl: I can allocate an array of (* 1024 1024 110) fixnums, but 120 exhausts the heap
2016-07-04T14:12:22Z sjl: but allocating 110 with element-type t doesn't exhaust the heap
2016-07-04T14:12:41Z sjl: if changing the element type to t forced it to box those fixnums, it should blow the heap
2016-07-04T14:13:36Z Xof`: boxing fixnums does not take heap space
2016-07-04T14:14:03Z Xof`: the box is pointer-sized, and does not require any extra storage space
2016-07-04T14:15:22Z sjl: yeah as long as the actual fixnum is stored inside the contiguous hunk of memory allocated for the array I'm happy
2016-07-04T14:16:03Z sjl: I'm writing a Prolog VM and using an array for its heap.
2016-07-04T14:16:11Z sjl: most of the heap elements will be addresses of other things in the heap
2016-07-04T14:16:39Z sjl: but I'd like to also be able to store pointers to arbitrary lisp objects in memory in a few rare cases
2016-07-04T14:17:28Z sjl: but I don't want to destroy the memory locality of ALL the addresses by adding a pointer deref for the 99% case
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2016-07-04T14:29:58Z scymtym_: sjl: i misunderstood your question as "does sbcl dynamically detect that all elements are fixnums and somehow adapt the array accordingly", sorry. in addition to what Xof` pointed out, I was thinking about 1) :element-type t :initial-element (1+ most-positive-fixnum) => heap exhausted 2) :element-type 'fixnum :initial-element (1+ most-positive-fixnum) => type-error but 3) :element-type '(unsigned-byte 64) :initial-element (1+
2016-07-04T14:29:58Z scymtym_: most-positive-fixnum) => works
2016-07-04T14:29:58Z scymtym_:  
2016-07-04T14:30:58Z sjl: ah yeah, no I know that things are AREN'T fixnums will live elsewhere on the heap, that's fine
2016-07-04T14:31:43Z sjl: I just don't want to pay an addition pointer deref for the vast majority of the cases, since it's a VM and chasing these address cells around this array is like 80% of what it does, heh
2016-07-04T14:31:46Z sjl: *additional
2016-07-04T14:32:03Z scymtym_: the addition i wanted to make is that integers larger than fixnums might *not* go on the heap if the :element-type is right
2016-07-04T14:32:28Z scymtym_: (probably irrelevant for your case, maybe just worth noting)
2016-07-04T14:32:42Z sjl: yeah definitely
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2016-07-04T14:33:29Z sjl: if my prolog REF cells are pointing to addresses larger than most-positive-fixnum I have far bigger things to worry about, lol
2016-07-04T14:34:37Z scymtym_: right, if your heap is an array, addresses should be below array-dimension-limit
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2016-07-04T16:40:54Z scymtym: Xof`: do you know the rationale for the test mentioned in "Remaining Problems" in https://www.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de/~jmoringe/condition-report.html?
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2016-07-04T19:42:55Z Xof`: scymtym: I think checking that the compiler doesn't erroneously treat (and standard-object function) as the empty type
2016-07-04T19:44:23Z Xof`: and also that things that are conditions or functions (but not both) don't pass type tests for (and condition function)
2016-07-04T19:45:07Z Xof`: if (funcall fun1 (make-condition 'error)) is returning, then the (and condition function) declaration hasn't caught that (make-condition 'error) is not a function
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2016-07-04T20:08:26Z scymtym: can there be an object that is a condition and function?
2016-07-04T20:09:31Z Xof`: I would think not
2016-07-04T20:09:39Z Xof`: at least at the moment
2016-07-04T20:09:57Z Xof`: but the results of the test seems to show that (make-condition 'error) is being treated as something that is
2016-07-04T20:10:17Z Xof`: [because (funcall fun1 (make-condition 'error)) isn't throwing a type error]
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2016-07-04T20:10:34Z scymtym: i think the type check is thrown because the type is inferred to be nil
2016-07-04T20:10:45Z scymtym: try (funcall (compile nil '(lambda (x) (declare (type nil x)) x)) 1)
2016-07-04T20:11:04Z scymtym: s/thrown/thrown out/
2016-07-04T20:11:19Z Xof`: right
2016-07-04T20:11:36Z Xof`: but that's probably undesireable
2016-07-04T20:11:42Z scymtym: that could be considered a bug in its own right, imo
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2016-07-04T20:16:51Z scymtym: without my change, we already have the same issue for (and <some-structure-type> function)
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2016-07-04T20:23:39Z scymtym: it seems more reasonable to me to have (and <structure-type> function) and (and condition function) either both be the empty type or both not be the empty type
2016-07-04T20:25:05Z Xof`: yes, sure
2016-07-04T20:29:31Z scymtym: i could change the test to ensuring that a compile-time full warning is signaled because the declared type of the argument is the empty type. but having the equivalent of (declare (type nil x)) signal an error at runtime (and checking that in a test) would also be good
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2016-07-04T20:30:35Z Xof`: I wouldn't block your work on that one test failing
2016-07-04T20:30:43Z Xof`: as you say, it is testing a variant of something that already fails
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2016-07-04T20:33:52Z scymtym: s/come/might come/,s/if make/if we make/
2016-07-04T20:34:19Z scymtym should to go to bed soon
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2016-07-04T21:06:59Z stassats: that is correct
2016-07-04T21:07:04Z pierpa: damn!
2016-07-04T21:07:07Z pierpa: :)
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2016-07-05T15:06:37Z christoph_debian: flip214: just updated sbcl. should be built and on a mirror near you somewhen today
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2016-07-05T15:35:20Z flip214: christoph_debian: thanks, not yet... but tomorrow it should be available.
2016-07-05T15:35:24Z flip214: thank you very much!
2016-07-05T15:36:38Z flip214: hmmm, https://packages.qa.debian.org/s/sbcl.html doesn't know about it yet, too ;)
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2016-07-05T22:30:42Z schjetne: What's SBCL's internal representation of characters? UTF-32, like CCL?
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2016-07-06T07:06:24Z Xof`: schjetne: yes
2016-07-06T07:07:25Z Xof`: (well, "sort of").  Characters are represented by their code point and an 8-bit tag, which is fine because Unicode is a 21 bit space
2016-07-06T07:08:16Z Xof`: in specialized arrays (strings), characters are untagged; depending on the kind of string, the representation might be 8-bit or 32-bit
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2016-07-06T07:15:56Z schjetne: Xof`: thanks
2016-07-06T07:17:03Z schjetne: I've been experimenting with keeping large datasets constantly in memory (so they can be manipulated freely with CLOS without worrying about ORMs and queries)
2016-07-06T07:18:57Z schjetne: But strings take up quite a bit of space
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2016-07-06T07:39:59Z Xof`: if your strings are ascii, you can use base-strings for a 4x saving
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2016-07-06T09:17:11Z schjetne: Xof`: unfortunately I need at least Latin-1 support
2016-07-06T09:17:31Z schjetne: I could of course store them as byte arrays
2016-07-06T09:18:06Z schjetne: And handle the conversion back and forth as needed with methods
2016-07-06T09:26:04Z schjetne: Now I'm dealing with a problem where SBCL seemingly just grinds to a halt right before the 1GB mark, no conditions are signalled and there is no way to interrupt from SLIME
2016-07-06T09:26:38Z schjetne: 1.2.11 on Mac OS X
2016-07-06T09:26:45Z schjetne: Looking in the manual for clues now
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2016-07-06T16:02:11Z Guest42766: schjetne: if you started SBCL with a 1G heap, that would do it.
2016-07-06T16:16:32Z Xof`: when you say "the 1GB mark, how are you measuring that"?
2016-07-06T16:17:06Z Xof`: 1GB of array could mean more than 1GB of data, if there are pointers in your array
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2016-07-06T16:47:15Z schjetne: Guest42766, Xof`: yes, that was it. I somehow missed the LDB message in another buffer
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2016-07-06T17:00:24Z flip214: In case anybody has a bit of time, with SBCL 1.3.7 I can't (SETF (SYMBOL-FUNCTION (gensym)) ...) anymore.
2016-07-06T17:00:31Z flip214: That did work fine with 1.3.3.
2016-07-06T17:00:33Z flip214: http://paste.lisp.org/display/319924
2016-07-06T17:01:15Z stassats: in case nobody has a bit of time file a ticket
2016-07-06T17:01:54Z flip214: yeah, thanks.... I'm hoping that someones interested and tries that
2016-07-06T17:03:11Z stassats: the macro seems broken, though
2016-07-06T17:04:55Z flip214: yeah, perhaps it should return ',g
2016-07-06T17:05:11Z flip214: but that's not the point, why does the setf throw that error?
2016-07-06T17:05:38Z stassats: does it though?
2016-07-06T17:06:33Z flip214: with ',g I get the same error.
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2016-07-06T17:07:30Z stassats: i don't believe that
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2016-07-06T17:09:19Z flip214: http://paste.lisp.org/display/319924#1
2016-07-06T17:09:52Z flip214: okay, one sec...
2016-07-06T17:09:59Z stassats: that macro must still be broken then
2016-07-06T17:10:15Z stassats: in another place this time, though
2016-07-06T17:11:08Z Xof`: you need to quote the symbol in (symbol-function ...) too
2016-07-06T17:11:30Z Xof`: a simple test, running your initial bug report above "I can't (SETF (SYMBOL-FUNCTION (gensym)) ...)" would have told you that this was your problem
2016-07-06T17:11:42Z stassats: does ppcre really produce something like that? i didn't think ppcre got broken
2016-07-06T17:12:14Z Xof`: the lambda's produced by ppcre, and the lambda's not broken
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2016-07-06T17:14:14Z flip214: hrmpf, but there's something different between 1.3.3 and 1.3.7....
2016-07-06T17:14:24Z flip214: need to find a small reproducing case
2016-07-06T17:14:44Z stassats tries to make the EQUAL transform smarter with mismatching types, and stumbles upon the usual "i thought it would be trivial" 
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2016-07-06T22:03:23Z stassats: ok, equal and equalp transforms are now appear to be as smart as they can be
2016-07-06T22:03:49Z stassats: handling stuff like different array dimensions or incompatible upgraded element types
2016-07-06T22:04:44Z stassats: save for any bugs, and i think i found one just i pressed "git push", sigh
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2016-07-06T22:19:36Z stassats: ; possible LRA header on x86-64? huh
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2016-07-06T22:48:30Z sebboh`: Hello.  I invoked `sh make.sh --prefix=/home/sebboh/bin/sbcl` to build a recent git checkout of sbcl.  Now I realize that I named that directory poorly.  What need I change to rename the directory?
2016-07-06T22:48:52Z stassats: look in INSTALL
2016-07-06T22:49:10Z sebboh`: I've already called sh install.sh.  ok, I will.
2016-07-06T22:51:13Z stassats: sebboh`: you'd have to recompile if you want ./sbcl to just work
2016-07-06T22:52:41Z stassats: i hope you're not compiling on alpha in an emulator or something
2016-07-06T22:53:15Z sebboh`: I am not.  I'm curious, why would you think that?
2016-07-06T22:53:28Z stassats: it would take more than 5 hours
2016-07-06T22:53:33Z sebboh`: oh, compile time.  Right. No, it should only take a few minutes. :)
2016-07-06T22:54:01Z sebboh`: do I have to do a clean?
2016-07-06T22:54:08Z stassats: no
2016-07-06T22:54:15Z stassats: (yes, but make.sh does it)
2016-07-06T22:54:15Z sebboh`: ok.
2016-07-06T22:54:20Z sebboh`: ah.
2016-07-06T22:55:50Z sebboh`: hah, woopsie, I already uninstalled the host's sbcl. :D  no matter...
2016-07-06T22:56:10Z stassats: you can use the one from /home/sebboh/bin/sbcl, can't you?
2016-07-06T22:56:30Z sebboh`: and rm'd that one.
2016-07-06T22:56:40Z sebboh`: thus the "woopsie"
2016-07-06T22:57:05Z stassats: ./make.sh shouldn't probably nuke things when "sbcl" is not present
2016-07-06T22:57:26Z sebboh`: I rm'd it.  Anyway the build is running.
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2016-07-07T00:10:13Z stassats: looks like a found a bug in the EQ transform too
2016-07-07T00:10:26Z stassats: (defun bar (x) (declare ((array t (20)) x)) (let ((y (adjust-array x 10))) (declare ((array t (10)) y)) (eq x y)))
2016-07-07T00:10:29Z stassats: returns NIL
2016-07-07T00:10:51Z stassats: adding (notinline eq) correctly returns T
2016-07-07T00:10:57Z stassats: sigh, is this stuff complicated or what
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2016-07-07T00:14:21Z stassats: oh my
2016-07-07T00:14:24Z stassats: it's even worse
2016-07-07T00:14:52Z stassats: (declare ((array t (20)) x)) (adjust-array x 10) (aref x 15) works
2016-07-07T00:15:55Z stassats: basically everything is broken when adjust-array is done on a declared aray
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2016-07-07T00:17:49Z Bike: isn't that just that the adjust-array violates the declaration?
2016-07-07T00:18:04Z stassats: how come?
2016-07-07T00:18:50Z Bike: because the declaration says x is going to be an array t (20) all throughout that scope, and then the adjust-array makes it an array t (10).
2016-07-07T00:33:22Z stassats: Bike: that's just transformed into (let ((y (the (array t (20)) (make-array 20 :adjustable t)))) (eq y (the (array t (10)) (adjust-array y 10))))
2016-07-07T00:33:28Z stassats: => NIL
2016-07-07T00:36:10Z stassats: this basically means only simple arrays can have dimension information
2016-07-07T00:36:18Z stassats: beyond the rank
2016-07-07T00:38:07Z stassats: i guess an easy fix would be just to enforce that
2016-07-07T00:38:34Z stassats: specifier-type on non-simple just not recording dimensions
2016-07-07T00:39:16Z stassats: though (something (the type x)) wouldn't be able to use dimension information anymore
2016-07-07T00:42:25Z stassats: it's similar to the unintern :keyword thing
2016-07-07T00:45:30Z Bike: um, i mean "During the execution of any reference to the declared variable within the scope of the declaration, the consequences are undefined if the value of the declared variable is not of the declared type.". and that's the case after the adjust-array, so, undefined?
2016-07-07T00:45:57Z stassats: Bike: THE doesn't declare variables
2016-07-07T00:46:58Z Bike: i know, i mean the original code with the declare is undefined.
2016-07-07T00:47:07Z stassats: it doesn't matter
2016-07-07T00:47:15Z stassats: because that's not reason it behaves like that
2016-07-07T00:47:21Z stassats: not the reason
2016-07-07T00:47:37Z stassats: it behaves like that because nobody thought of it
2016-07-07T00:49:17Z Bike: but you don't have to think of it, the code is wrong.
2016-07-07T00:49:37Z stassats: forget about the code
2016-07-07T00:53:40Z Bike: oh. you mean the version with THE is defined but gives the wrong answer. though i guess adjust-array can return a new array
2016-07-07T00:54:19Z stassats: it actually can't
2016-07-07T00:58:18Z stassats: i'll just pretend i didn't discover this
2016-07-07T00:58:32Z stassats: i don't want to think what will involve fixing it
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2016-07-07T11:45:51Z engblom: Is here any sbcl developers that would be willing to fix the source of sb-posix? This is NetBSD on rpi2. I do not have knowledge enough to get it to work. I can create a temporary shell account for this task...
2016-07-07T11:46:06Z engblom: Without sb-posix slime will not work
2016-07-07T11:54:47Z flip214: engblom: it might be helpful to paste the error you see somewhere, eg. paste.lisp.org.
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2016-07-07T12:06:53Z engblom: flip214: Currently I do not have it, but if I remember right it was utime that was failing in interfaces.lisp
2016-07-07T12:07:07Z engblom: interface.lisp
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2016-07-07T15:28:46Z flip214: > failed AVER: (NOT (SB-C::CTRAN-NEXT SB-C::CTRAN))
2016-07-07T15:30:16Z stassats: huh, some tests are compiled really slowly
2016-07-07T15:33:23Z stassats: ; compiling (WITH-TEST (:NAME #) ...)
2016-07-07T15:33:25Z stassats: oh come on
2016-07-07T15:37:45Z stassats: all the sequence-bounding-indices-test were naked, i added with-test, now one of the tests gets 40 seconds to compile
2016-07-07T15:38:00Z stassats: 0.37 seconds without with-test
2016-07-07T15:38:03Z stassats: (without-test?)
2016-07-07T15:45:50Z flip214: How can I increase the number of lines in a backtrace? my last one is still   49: (SB-C::IR1-CONVERT-PROGN-BODY
2016-07-07T15:46:06Z stassats: which backtrace?
2016-07-07T15:46:14Z flip214: in slime
2016-07-07T15:46:20Z flip214: resp. via swank
2016-07-07T15:46:20Z stassats: >
2016-07-07T15:46:35Z flip214: in slimv
2016-07-07T15:46:40Z stassats: get out!
2016-07-07T15:47:07Z flip214: thanks for the patience ;)
2016-07-07T15:49:37Z stassats: so, just adding handler-bind causes an explosion in compilation time
2016-07-07T15:52:33Z stassats: LIFETIME-ANALYZE seems to be suspect
2016-07-07T15:54:22Z stassats: 86% spent in propagate-live-tns
2016-07-07T15:54:56Z stassats: why does handler-bind do that, though?
2016-07-07T16:07:44Z stassats: dialing *max-fast-propagate-live-tn-passes* up to 100 goes from 40 seconds to 2 seconds
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2016-07-07T16:12:21Z stassats: don't want to deal with it, no with-test for seq.impure then
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2016-07-07T16:25:47Z stassats: another type derivation error, this time more trivial
2016-07-07T16:25:54Z stassats: (eql (car (nreverse (the (cons (eql 10)) x))) 10) gets folded to T
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2016-07-07T17:35:54Z stassats: huh SB-COLD::*UNDEFINED-FUN-WHITELIST* is incomplete
2016-07-07T17:38:35Z stassats: what does that even mean?
2016-07-07T17:39:32Z stassats: dougk_ dougk__ is that supposed to catch undefined functions? it caught an undefined variable here
2016-07-07T17:40:27Z dougk_: it's supposed to warn about functions which are known not to be defined until make-target-2
2016-07-07T17:41:03Z dougk_: maybe there's a bug that it'll indicate a variable as well
2016-07-07T17:41:18Z stassats: it's just     (when sb!c::*undefined-warnings* (setq fail t)))
2016-07-07T17:41:22Z stassats: so, it catches both
2016-07-07T17:41:42Z stassats: aren't undefined variables supposed to be caught anyway?
2016-07-07T17:42:10Z dougk_: should be, but I think we don't consider it a hard error where CLISP and CCL do
2016-07-07T17:42:16Z dougk_: so this was to avoid accidental breakage
2016-07-07T17:43:07Z stassats: let me see what happens without it
2016-07-07T17:45:28Z stassats: but that's supposed to be during cross compilation, clisp and ccl shouldn't interfere?
2016-07-07T17:45:36Z dougk_: true
2016-07-07T17:45:48Z stassats: so, without *undefined-warnings* i get debugger invoked on a UNBOUND-VARIABLE in thread in warm-init
2016-07-07T17:45:58Z stassats: so, it's kinda good, except for the message it print
2016-07-07T17:47:07Z stassats: i'll see how it can be improved
2016-07-07T17:48:00Z stassats: dougk_: what made win32 fail? undefined variables or functions?
2016-07-07T17:48:13Z dougk_: don't remember
2016-07-07T17:56:28Z stassats: going with "Undefined ~@[variables~] ~@[types~] ~@[functions (incomplete SB-COLD::*UNDEFINED-FUN-WHITELIST*?)"
2016-07-07T17:58:53Z dougk_: lgtm
2016-07-07T17:59:13Z stassats: if i can get it right, recompiling for the fifth time, sigh
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2016-07-07T21:50:16Z stassats: (eql (car (fill (the (cons (eql 10)) x) 20)) 10) gets folded to T
2016-07-07T21:51:40Z stassats: if something modifies an object it probably can't use detailed types
2016-07-07T21:54:15Z stassats: lvar-conservative-type tries to solve stuff like that, but i don't think it works in all cases
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2016-07-07T21:57:06Z stassats: (defun foo (x) (let ((cons (the (cons (eql 10) (cons (eql 20))) (cons 10 x)))) (setf (car x) 10) (eql 10 (cadr cons))))
2016-07-07T21:57:23Z stassats: an example where lvar-conservative-type, used by car and cdr derive-types, falls short
2016-07-07T21:59:10Z stassats: basically anything involving types and modifiable objects is pretty screwed
2016-07-07T21:59:26Z stassats: i guess i need to compile a list of test cases and try to work through them
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2016-07-07T22:39:36Z stassats: ensuring lvar-conservative-type is used everywhere is difficult
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2016-07-08T11:42:34Z scymtym: looks like a recent commit broke the unparse-string test in type.pure.lisp: https://ci.cor-lab.org/job/sbcl-master/1665/
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2016-07-08T11:58:08Z scymtym: seems to be a typo in the specifier in the test
2016-07-08T12:00:32Z scymtym: i pushed a fix
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2016-07-08T20:35:30Z akssri: hello. I need to bypass initialize-instance at specific places (yet keep the definition); I was planning on using allocate-instance, but this call is quite slow, since there is no compiler-macro to inline the contructor.
2016-07-08T20:36:08Z akssri: Am I right in assuming that it should be okay to port the compiler-macro from make-instance to allocate-instance as well ? Thanks.
2016-07-08T20:37:14Z stassats: make-instance and allocate-instance work differently
2016-07-08T20:37:25Z stassats: it would have to be a different transformation
2016-07-08T20:38:42Z akssri: it looks like the difference is only in handling the initargs ?
2016-07-08T20:39:24Z stassats: make-instance accepts symbols, allocate-instance does not
2016-07-08T20:41:26Z akssri: Right, that will probably amount to a change from constant-p (which seems to check for symbols) to only class-p
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2016-07-08T20:43:40Z akssri: can I still use ensure-ctor to inline the contruction ?
2016-07-08T20:43:56Z stassats: you as in your program? no
2016-07-08T20:44:43Z akssri: no i mean, can i write a new compiler macro for allocate-instance using ensure-ctor ?
2016-07-08T20:45:03Z stassats: not really
2016-07-08T20:45:32Z stassats: do you expect to automagically have the semantics of allocate-instance and not make-instance?
2016-07-08T20:46:41Z akssri: the doc seems to say that allocate-instance essentially creates the class with not initialization. This seems very close to the semantics of make-instance.
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2016-07-08T21:23:05Z akssri: @stassats it looks like ctor itself is doing something with initialize-instance and shared-initialize; is this what you were alluding to ?
2016-07-08T21:23:23Z stassats: well, there is a lot of stuff
2016-07-08T21:23:40Z stassats: make-instance and allocate-instance are completely different
2016-07-08T21:23:50Z stassats: make-instance uses allocate-instance, that's the only thing they share
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2016-07-08T21:29:48Z akssri: @stassats I see; is there some way to make allocate-instance faster ? It looks like if caching class-wrapper, and inlining to allocate-standard-instance makes things better; but this probably breaks CLOS.
2016-07-08T21:30:31Z stassats: well, copy what make-instance does, rewrite it
2016-07-08T21:31:54Z akssri: @stassats Yeah, but I'll have to fiddle with the whole ctor mechanism (which itself seems to do something with allocate-instance).
2016-07-08T21:32:26Z stassats: it fallbacks to an unoptimized version if there are applicable methods for allocate-instance
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2016-07-08T22:43:39Z scymtym__: dougk_: with fasteval, compiler.impure.lisp is failing (https://ci.cor-lab.org/job/sbcl-master/1667/featureset=8,label=ubuntu_trusty_64bit/consoleFull , search for "TYPE-ERROR-EXPECTED-TYPE") because failing interpreter type-checks put CTYPEs instead of specifiers into TYPE-ERRORs. does this change look ok: http://paste.lisp.org/display/320020 ?
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2016-07-08T22:46:05Z dougk_: scymtym__: yah, definitely
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2016-07-08T22:48:03Z scymtym__: dougk_: thanks
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2016-07-10T17:00:12Z stassats: ok, i think i got allocate-instance to be optimized the same way as make-instance
2016-07-10T17:01:15Z stassats: looks like ironclad falls to one of my recent type derivers?
2016-07-10T17:01:21Z stassats: not so ironclad now, is it
2016-07-10T17:03:37Z stassats: though need to check that it's not my fault
2016-07-10T17:06:02Z stassats: oh my
2016-07-10T17:06:21Z stassats: (and constant-start (> constant-start) dimensions-length)
2016-07-10T17:06:30Z stassats: what a silly mistsake
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2016-07-10T19:21:57Z stassats: 100000 x (change-class *x*  #.(find-class 'bar)) (change-class *x*  #.(find-class 'foo))
2016-07-10T19:22:07Z stassats: was 0.593 seconds 193,597,008 consed, now 0.132 seconds 16,763,200 consed
2016-07-10T19:22:41Z stassats: could be faster with something like ctors
2016-07-10T19:28:43Z Xof`: from allocate-instance speedups?
2016-07-10T19:28:52Z stassats: no, that's separate
2016-07-10T19:29:11Z stassats: basically removing unnecessary consing and not doing initarg checks if there are no initargs
2016-07-10T19:36:07Z stassats: make-instance is still much faster
2016-07-10T19:36:28Z stassats: 2xmake-instance 'foo x 100000,  0.004 seconds of real time
2016-07-10T19:36:33Z stassats: 12,812,288 bytes consed
2016-07-10T19:36:42Z stassats: but at least consing is not as horrible as before
2016-07-10T19:36:55Z stassats: caching precompiled change-class functions is left for the future
2016-07-10T19:42:38Z stassats: that extra consing is actually caused by the new allocate-instance compiler-macro
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2016-07-10T20:03:47Z stassats: mop change-class
2016-07-10T20:03:47Z specbot: Couldn't find anything for change-class.
2016-07-10T20:04:02Z stassats: i wonder if change-class has to call allocate-instance
2016-07-10T20:17:50Z stassats: disable allocate-instance caching in change-class, it's not too much of a win without a constant arg and the cache is shared by all programs and will probably be thrashed
2016-07-10T20:17:52Z stassats: disabled
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2016-07-10T23:58:53Z stassats: ugh, who reports bugs as a repl session
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2016-07-11T00:31:14Z stassats: did nobody notice that io streams are broken? since cmucl?
2016-07-11T00:33:09Z stassats: or is it dictated that finish-output must be run between calls to write-char and read-char?
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2016-07-11T00:39:20Z stassats completely rewrote the bug report
2016-07-11T00:40:22Z stassats: lp 1600610
2016-07-11T00:40:22Z specbot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1600610
2016-07-11T00:41:42Z stassats: it's a pretty glaring hole in the whole streams implementation, and how to square it with utf8?
2016-07-11T00:43:10Z stassats: i guess utf8 shouldn't be a problem really, it just needs to synchronize buffer positions
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2016-07-11T01:22:56Z stassats: or io streams should have a single buffer
2016-07-11T01:23:27Z stassats: big big hole
2016-07-11T01:23:32Z stassats: how did it never come up before?
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2016-07-11T05:39:33Z pillton: I'm using read-sequence on a file created using mkfifo(1) (OSX). I'm having and issue with the code at http://paste.lisp.org/display/320171 where SBCL blocks when the stream element type is 'base-char, but terminates correctly when the element type is '(unsigned-byte 8).
2016-07-11T05:40:03Z pillton: The problem appears to be specific to OSX. Is this a bug?
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2016-07-11T12:08:35Z stassats: pillton: i see what's going on, but it's strange why that happens only on osx
2016-07-11T12:09:12Z stassats: basically, the ub8 variant works directly with the buffer, but other variants do read-byte, which first fills a 512 buffer, so it already gets EOF
2016-07-11T12:09:42Z stassats: when read-byte/read-char get to the end of that 512 buffer they try to refill it and it gets stuck, since it already ate the EOF
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2016-07-11T12:13:20Z stassats: on linux that third refill returns :eof too
2016-07-11T12:13:22Z stassats: but not on osx
2016-07-11T12:14:18Z pillton: stassats: Thanks for looking at the problem.
2016-07-11T12:19:30Z pillton: I'll submit the bug report and recheck my linux test in the morning.
2016-07-11T12:23:57Z stassats: really strange, why does linux eof there?
2016-07-11T12:24:08Z stassats: i would actually expect the behavior demonstrated by osx
2016-07-11T12:29:41Z stassats: pillton: if you want to make a report i have a better test case
2016-07-11T12:31:31Z stassats: http://paste.lisp.org/display/320171#1
2016-07-11T12:31:32Z pillton: Sure. I'll include it.
2016-07-11T12:32:19Z pillton: Can
2016-07-11T12:32:53Z stassats: not include, replace your test case with it
2016-07-11T12:33:16Z pillton: Can't the (with-open-file (in ..)) error in some situations?
2016-07-11T12:33:38Z stassats: not really
2016-07-11T12:33:57Z pillton: I don't run SBCL with threads so I would have never have written that test case. :)
2016-07-11T12:34:29Z pillton: Ok. I'll include that test case in the report.
2016-07-11T12:34:33Z pillton: Thanks again.
2016-07-11T12:34:55Z pillton: Sorry. Replace.
2016-07-11T12:35:35Z pillton: Night.
2016-07-11T12:36:02Z stassats: can also include something like (sb-posix:mkfifo #p"~/lisp-input" sb-posix:o-rdwr)
2016-07-11T12:36:30Z stassats: but mkfifo from the command line is just as good as this
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2016-07-11T12:50:38Z stassats: so, the difference is in sysread-may-block-p
2016-07-11T12:51:11Z stassats: on linux it returns NIL when on osx it's T
2016-07-11T13:04:55Z stassats: http://paste.lisp.org/display/320171#2
2016-07-11T13:05:29Z stassats: eof on linux, spinning in wait-until-fd-usable on osx
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2016-07-11T13:46:21Z stassats: our streams are pretty bad
2016-07-11T13:46:38Z stassats: io streams are broken, file-position flushes buffers, this thing on osx
2016-07-11T13:46:57Z stassats: no line terminators support, slow
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2016-07-11T15:11:50Z stassats: are the sb-bsd-sockets tests with #+internet-available ever run?
2016-07-11T15:12:26Z foom: seems unlikely. who'd ever know to define that?
2016-07-11T15:13:24Z stassats: there seems to be no other references to "internet-available" anywhere
2016-07-11T15:13:46Z stassats: trying to run some tests, i get Socket error in "connect": ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused)
2016-07-11T15:14:03Z stassats: which also says ";;; these require that the echo services are turned on in inetd"
2016-07-11T15:14:16Z stassats: so, what's the point of all those tests then?
2016-07-11T15:15:17Z foom: To test actually connecting to something, I'd expect. :)
2016-07-11T15:15:39Z foom: It would seem a good idea to run a local server and test against that.
2016-07-11T15:16:37Z stassats: foom: while you're here, can a fifo ever block?
2016-07-11T15:17:00Z stassats: sb-impl::sysread-may-block-p sometimes returns T on osx, breaking stuff
2016-07-11T15:17:09Z stassats: done as (not (sb!unix:unix-simple-poll (fd-stream-fd stream) :input 0))
2016-07-11T15:17:10Z foom: Sure, doesn't it work just like a pipe?
2016-07-11T15:17:26Z stassats: always NIL on linux, sometimes T on osx
2016-07-11T15:17:43Z stassats: foom: without this check read just returns 0
2016-07-11T15:17:52Z stassats: and everything works
2016-07-11T15:18:42Z foom: Did we open it non-blocking?
2016-07-11T15:20:54Z stassats: no, open flags are 0
2016-07-11T15:21:17Z stassats: that's why i wanted to check with sockets, how do they handle the same situation
2016-07-11T15:21:26Z foom: I mean, mkfifo /tmp/myfifo; python -c 'import os; fifo=os.open("/tmp/myfifo", os.O_RDONLY); print fifo; print os.read(fifo, 100)' sure blocks until I run python -c 'import os; fifo = os.open("/tmp/myfifo", os.O_WRONLY); os.write(fifo, "hi")'
2016-07-11T15:21:45Z foom: It blocks both on open, and on the read call.
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2016-07-11T15:21:55Z foom: (As I'd expect it to.)
2016-07-11T15:21:57Z stassats: here's the test http://paste.lisp.org/display/320171#2
2016-07-11T15:22:11Z stassats: open blocks, but here the second read-char blocks on osx, signals EOF on linux
2016-07-11T15:23:29Z stassats: all because sb-impl::sysread-may-block-p says T, on osx, when commenting it, read() simply returns 0
2016-07-11T15:27:43Z foom: well, hold on, that program closes the fifo. So, it then gets a POLLHUP event.
2016-07-11T15:28:01Z foom: On the read side:
2016-07-11T15:28:02Z foom: poll([{fd=6, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}], 1, 0) = 1 ([{fd=6, revents=POLLIN}])
2016-07-11T15:28:02Z foom: read(6, "hello world\n", 4096)          = 12
2016-07-11T15:28:02Z foom: poll([{fd=6, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}], 1, 0) = 1 ([{fd=6, revents=POLLHUP}])
2016-07-11T15:28:02Z foom: read(6, "", 4096)                       = 0
2016-07-11T15:28:07Z foom: (linux)
2016-07-11T15:28:09Z stassats: even with an external process like echo abc > fifo
2016-07-11T15:28:24Z foom: sure, that also closes it
2016-07-11T15:29:49Z foom: a fifo is a named pipe -- it only has one writer open() call connected to one reader open() call
2016-07-11T15:29:49Z stassats: let me trace on osx then
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2016-07-11T15:33:36Z foom: poll has been known to be broken on OSX...
2016-07-11T15:33:44Z foom: I don't know the current status of it's brokenness
2016-07-11T15:34:12Z foom: For a long time, it was basically unusable, because for some reason in the kernel select was implemented separately from poll for each device.
2016-07-11T15:34:17Z foom: And nothing actually implemented poll
2016-07-11T15:34:37Z foom: Well -- sockets did. And just about nothing else.
2016-07-11T15:35:13Z foom: Well -- that was the state after poll was a userspace wrapper over the kernel's select() syscall, which was even more broken.
2016-07-11T15:35:43Z foom: Oh, and there was the version when poll crashed the kernel if you tried to use it in certain ways.
2016-07-11T15:37:10Z stassats: i wonder what ccl does
2016-07-11T15:39:25Z foom: It sometimes amazes me how bad osx's kernel is.
2016-07-11T15:50:27Z stassats: so, ccl does return an EOF, but not if there is a timeout
2016-07-11T15:51:27Z stassats: so, it is an osx problem, poll on a closed fifo doesn't return
2016-07-11T15:51:58Z stassats: first google result https://blog.valerieaurora.org/2008/07/29/poll-fifos-and-mac-os-x/
2016-07-11T15:52:35Z stassats: though it says "poll() on a fifo immediately returns POLLNVAL in every case." which is not the case here
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2016-07-11T16:08:43Z stassats: the only idea i can come up with, if the fd stream is of type :fifo on darwin, then don't use wait-until-fd-usable
2016-07-11T16:08:48Z stassats: no timeouts, but it'll at least work
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2016-07-11T16:22:42Z stassats: actually, it looks like select does return upon closing
2016-07-11T16:23:08Z stassats: but when select is called the second time on the closed fifo, it waits
2016-07-11T16:24:25Z stassats: which probably makes sense, since it can be reopened
2016-07-11T16:29:57Z stassats: "The POLLHUP event does not occur for FIFOs just because the FIFO is not open for writing. It only occurs when the FIFO is closed by the last writer and persists until some process opens the FIFO for writing or until all read-only file descriptors for the FIFO are closed."
2016-07-11T16:30:08Z stassats: so, it does not persist on osx
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2016-07-11T18:36:36Z foom: stassats: I guess they actually implemented the poll callback in the file struct for fifos, FINALLY.
2016-07-11T18:36:56Z foom: stassats: Only took a decade or so, so really unsurprised it doesn't work right.
2016-07-11T18:37:33Z stassats: it seems to work with pipes from run-program
2016-07-11T18:38:29Z stassats: so my fix on not running wait-until-fd-usable on :fifos isn't that good
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2016-07-11T18:42:52Z stassats: and it actually returns pollhup from a closed pipe from run-program
2016-07-11T18:42:58Z stassats: but not from mkfifo
2016-07-11T18:43:27Z stassats: so, i don't know what to do, not even for a workaround
2016-07-11T19:04:50Z fe[nl]ix: what's the point of polling a single descriptor, again ?
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2016-07-11T19:23:31Z foom: To make timeouts work.
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2016-07-11T19:24:23Z foom: I really wish that feature didn't exist, and that read/write just read and wrote.
2016-07-11T19:24:28Z stassats: and interrupts, read is under without-interrupts
2016-07-11T19:38:29Z stassats: kqueue doesn't wake up on eof for fifo either
2016-07-11T19:41:28Z stassats: ok, i think i can workaround it while not breaking pipe() pipes
2016-07-11T19:42:00Z stassats: i need to disable wait-until-fd-usable not just when the type is :fifo but also when the stream has a file
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2016-07-11T20:20:25Z stassats: pushed a workaround disabling wait-until-fd-usable on named pipes
2016-07-11T20:21:29Z stassats: minion: memo for pillton: i pushed a workaround that should make your test run, but it's not a complete solution
2016-07-11T20:21:34Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell pillton when he/she/it next speaks.
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2016-07-11T22:29:06Z minion: pillton, memo from stassats: i pushed a workaround that should make your test run, but it's not a complete solution
2016-07-11T22:29:13Z pillton: stassats: Thanks.
2016-07-11T22:29:39Z pillton: Do you still want me to submit a bug/wishlist report?
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2016-07-11T23:28:24Z pillton: Are you sure it is OSX's fault? I can't see the problem with the output of fifo-test. http://paste.lisp.org/display/320171#4
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2016-07-12T00:18:06Z pillton: Ok I see. Neither poll nor select return when the other side of the fifo disconnects.
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2016-07-12T00:19:27Z pillton: If the file descriptor has blocking mode set, read returns 0 though when there is no data to be read.
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2016-07-13T01:17:30Z muyinliu: hey guys, http://www.sbcl.org/  now can NOT be access, what happen?
2016-07-13T01:18:02Z stassats: it went playing pokemon go
2016-07-13T01:18:37Z muyinliu: stassats: what?!
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2016-07-13T01:23:31Z |3b|: muyinliu: sbcl.org is (as far as i know) hosted by sourceforge, and sourceforge is "experiencing issues"
2016-07-13T01:25:31Z muyinliu: |3b|: thanks. Looks like sourceforge do so a little often.
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2016-07-13T16:24:00Z stassats: do you need something from there?
2016-07-13T16:24:12Z ChibaPet: No. Just noticed someone saying it was down.
2016-07-13T16:24:18Z stassats: ok
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2016-07-16T12:54:34Z sjl: if sbcl's statistical profiler call graph says that function foo is spending n% of its time in SB-C:RETURN-MULTIPLE, what exactly does that mean?
2016-07-16T12:54:52Z sjl: does it mean that foo is returning multiple values, and the samples are hitting that code?
2016-07-16T12:55:04Z sjl: or is it time that foo is spend waiting for something ELSE which returns multiple values?
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2016-07-16T15:31:47Z scymtym_: sjl: i believe it means that foo returns an unknown number of values and that it is called in a context which does not permit return value optimizations
2016-07-16T15:32:05Z scymtym_: what does DESCRIBE say about the declared and derived types of the function?
2016-07-16T15:34:57Z sjl: yeah it must be only when something returns an unknown number of values...
2016-07-16T15:35:12Z sjl: but looking at the disassembly for this function I don't see a RETURN-MULTIPLE call anywhere
2016-07-16T15:35:29Z sjl: (whereas I do when I purposely make a function that returns an unknown number)
2016-07-16T15:36:21Z sjl: I wonder if the call graph is confusing me by saying "function `run` calls RETURN-MULTIPLE" but really means "something that function `run` called calls RETURN-MULTIPLE"
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2016-07-16T15:36:50Z scymtym_: RETURN-MULTIPLE is a VOP, not a function
2016-07-16T15:38:06Z scymtym_: it seems to jump to an assembly routine
2016-07-16T15:38:35Z scymtym_: so it's similar to a function
2016-07-16T15:38:38Z sjl: hm
2016-07-16T15:38:51Z sjl: so that's why it appears in the call graph in the profiler?
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2016-07-16T15:41:13Z sjl: so, when I disassemble something that definitely does need to return an unknown number of values, I see the RM noted in the ASM: http://paste.stevelosh.com/578a5575a398f70007b319ed
2016-07-16T15:41:16Z sjl: this makes sense
2016-07-16T15:41:50Z sjl: but when I disassemble the real function in my code, I do not see that ; RETURN-MULTIPLE in the ASM anywhere
2016-07-16T15:42:05Z sjl: and yes the call graph from the profiler still says the function is spending time there
2016-07-16T15:42:07Z sjl: *and yet
2016-07-16T15:42:11Z sjl: that's what's confusing me
2016-07-16T15:46:25Z scymtym_: maybe it happens in a part of the code that you did not disassemble. any luck with https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/387357 ?
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2016-07-16T15:55:51Z sjl: yeah so, the function does take a function as an argument
2016-07-16T15:55:57Z sjl: and calls it with ; FBFA:       FF50FD           CALL QWORD PTR [RAX-3]
2016-07-16T16:06:01Z stassats: sjl: the assembly routines share a code object, and the statistical profiler can't distinguish between them
2016-07-16T16:07:07Z stassats: it can be either return-multiple, tail-call-variable, throw or unwind
2016-07-16T16:07:14Z stassats: unwind is a more likely candidate
2016-07-16T16:11:27Z stassats: and regarding lp#387357, there is sb-disassem:disassemble-code-component for seeing all the code
2016-07-16T16:12:07Z scymtym_ obviously didn't know that. convenient
2016-07-16T16:14:27Z scymtym_: receiving a function as an argument without sufficiently declaring the type of the argument and calling it in tail position seems to emit code that jumps to RETURN-MULTIPLE for the slow path
2016-07-16T16:14:54Z scymtym_: so i guess that could be a possibility given that sjl has a higher-order function
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2016-07-16T16:17:32Z stassats: tail calling a function shouldn't call return-multiple
2016-07-16T16:17:43Z stassats: multiple-value-prog1 can
2016-07-16T16:18:26Z scymtym_: maybe my policy causes that
2016-07-16T16:18:47Z stassats: if it calls return-multiple then it's not a tail call
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2016-07-16T16:20:26Z stassats: besides, return-multiple would be called only if something returns multiple values
2016-07-16T16:20:39Z stassats: besides, the profiler doesn't know that return-multiple is actually called
2016-07-16T16:20:54Z stassats: but you can see in the profiler who calls return-multiple, and look for other assembly routines
2016-07-16T16:22:49Z scymtym_: i think, my high debug/safety and low speed policy prevented tail call optimization, leading to RETURN-MULTIPLE
2016-07-16T16:28:33Z sjl: I guess my questions is: when the profiler's call graph says function FOO is spending n% of its time in "RETURN-MULTIPLE", should I be just looking at that function (and possibly the lambda it takes as an argument) or do I need to look through everything it calls?
2016-07-16T16:29:34Z sjl: cause my program is spending 18% of it's time in RM
2016-07-16T16:29:40Z sjl: which seems excessive
2016-07-16T16:29:55Z stassats: did you catch my first message to you?
2016-07-16T16:31:00Z sjl: oh where it can be one of those four things?
2016-07-16T16:31:06Z stassats: yes
2016-07-16T16:31:07Z sjl: so they call get lumped together?
2016-07-16T16:31:10Z sjl: *all
2016-07-16T16:31:10Z stassats: yes
2016-07-16T16:31:16Z sjl: hrm
2016-07-16T16:33:29Z sjl: is there a way I can narrow it down?  I don't think this particular function should be doing any of those things
2016-07-16T16:35:02Z sjl: this is the function: https://bitbucket.org/sjl/bones/src/f1ef8f905a1d4f583e59547de2de1e8d7ba34bba/src/wam/vm.lisp?at=default&fileviewer=file-view-default#vm.lisp-865:930
2016-07-16T16:35:09Z sjl: and the ASM: http://paste.stevelosh.com/578a6212a398f70007b319ee
2016-07-16T16:35:15Z sjl: I'm probably just doing something really stupid
2016-07-16T16:39:40Z stassats: you mean like using defun-star?
2016-07-16T16:41:43Z sjl: https://bitbucket.org/eeeickythump/defstar/
2016-07-16T16:41:49Z sjl: that just macroexpands into type declarations
2016-07-16T16:42:40Z stassats: i gathered as much, just that it does not look like common lisp anymore
2016-07-16T16:43:36Z sjl: yeah, it's easier than typing (declare ()) a hundred million times
2016-07-16T16:44:00Z stassats: i do close to zero declares
2016-07-16T16:44:47Z scymtym_: isn't returning (values) slower than returning nil? especially if there is another exit which returns nil
2016-07-16T16:44:58Z stassats: scymtym_: it is slower, yes
2016-07-16T16:45:40Z stassats: returning 1 value is an optimized case, the other cases are not
2016-07-16T16:46:21Z scymtym_: yeah, the fast past is in the vop while everything else goes through the assembly routine, right?
2016-07-16T16:47:04Z stassats: known values usually do not go trough routines, but the contract is that all untouched registers are NIL
2016-07-16T16:47:18Z sjl: ah, good to know
2016-07-16T16:47:23Z stassats: scymtym_: while with 1 value the other registers do not matter
2016-07-16T16:47:51Z stassats: and returning different amount of values, even if they are NIL, is slow too
2016-07-16T16:48:16Z stassats: the latter is an opportunity for optimization, but not trivial
2016-07-16T16:48:50Z scymtym_: yes, i wanted to shut up about RETURN-MULTIPLE, but in a little experiment, this situation (two exits: one (values) and one (values nil)) is exactly what leads to the emission to a call to it
2016-07-16T16:48:55Z stassats: i never return (values), what's the point even?
2016-07-16T16:49:42Z stassats: one minute you complain about all the declares, the next, it's littered with (values), go figure
2016-07-16T16:49:58Z stassats: well, to be fair, it's just two, but still
2016-07-16T16:50:20Z stassats: sjl: also, you don't need PROGN after DO in LOOP
2016-07-16T16:51:36Z sjl: ah yeah, I always forget that
2016-07-16T16:51:51Z sjl: because I think I need it when I use :when foo :do ...
2016-07-16T16:51:54Z sjl: but not here
2016-07-16T16:52:00Z stassats: no
2016-07-16T16:52:04Z stassats: do is always a progn
2016-07-16T16:54:12Z stassats: and UNTIL before FOR will be problematic as well
2016-07-16T16:54:38Z stassats: (cough, clisp, cough)
2016-07-16T16:55:10Z sjl: yeah I know that's not strictly allowed... it works on ccl, sbcl and ecl though
2016-07-16T16:56:37Z sjl: I suppose there's no harm in swapping them here though
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2016-07-16T16:57:02Z sjl: just one extra aref on failure, doesnt matter
2016-07-16T16:57:10Z scymtym_: sjl: does nil instead of (values) in line 930 speed things up?
2016-07-16T16:57:19Z stassats: sjl: will aref fail on +code-sentinel+?
2016-07-16T16:57:58Z sjl: stassats: ... possibly, though I should fix that
2016-07-16T16:58:39Z sjl: scymtym_: no, not really
2016-07-16T16:59:06Z scymtym_: sjl: ok, thanks
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2016-07-16T16:59:24Z sjl: well, I was really just looking at RM, let me just reprofile in general and see
2016-07-16T17:00:28Z scymtym_: ah, i didn't look at the rest of the function. since it contains an inner loop, the return will probably not matter
2016-07-16T17:03:44Z sjl: it might be a little bit faster actually... hard to tell how much difference is just statistical noise
2016-07-16T17:06:37Z stassats: sjl: can you macroexpand defun* push-unbound-reference! and show the result?
2016-07-16T17:08:19Z sjl: stassats: http://paste.stevelosh.com/578a69e9a398f70007b319ef
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2016-07-16T17:09:09Z stassats: defstar* appears to be GPL, can it be used by a MIT licensed project?
2016-07-16T17:10:04Z stassats: sjl: so, this (the heap-index ) will cause return-multiple
2016-07-16T17:10:29Z sjl: ugh, for some reason I though ds was bsd
2016-07-16T17:10:45Z sjl: guess I'll have to remove it, probably for the best anyway, one less dep for people
2016-07-16T17:10:49Z stassats: so, my irrational hate for defstar is not so irrational now!
2016-07-16T17:11:12Z sjl: yes that's a reasonable reason to hate it
2016-07-16T17:11:16Z stassats: sjl: can you quickly remove all those (:returns) and see if it helps with runtime?
2016-07-16T17:11:33Z sjl: yeah one sec
2016-07-16T17:13:51Z stassats: what's interesting, sbcl actually refuses to check (the type (function-call)), but it still happily tries to and you get a return-multiple
2016-07-16T17:17:12Z stassats: and if you get rid of all those other unnecessary declarations pushed by defstar, you'll get even more speed improvement
2016-07-16T17:17:28Z sjl: removing all the returns slows things down a bit
2016-07-16T17:18:34Z stassats: some code may be using derived types from that
2016-07-16T17:18:36Z sjl: stassats: possibly if the thing in (the type ...) is inlined it doesn't trigger the return-multiple?
2016-07-16T17:19:04Z stassats: sjl: if it's not involved in returning, yes
2016-07-16T17:19:17Z sjl: http://paste.stevelosh.com/578a6c8ea398f70007b319f1
2016-07-16T17:19:25Z sjl: that's the disassembly for that function you mentioned before
2016-07-16T17:20:18Z sjl: it does reduce the return-multiple time down to 12% though
2016-07-16T17:20:44Z stassats: sjl:  right, the declaim helps
2016-07-16T17:21:06Z scymtym_: if you want to keep the function type declarations, can you try changing them from (function (<arg-types>) <return-type>) to (function (<arg-types>) (values <return-type> &optional))
2016-07-16T17:25:06Z sjl: I'll have to think about the best way to switch it over
2016-07-16T17:25:31Z sjl: whether that's writing a replacement for defstar or just omitting most of the types and writing the most important ones by hand
2016-07-16T17:25:39Z stassats: too much type declarations can slow things down, so i only apply then only where they needed and where they can help
2016-07-16T17:25:41Z sjl: I would miss having SBCL catch my stupid type errors though
2016-07-16T17:26:59Z sjl: so, removing all those returns still didn't reduce the time spent in RET-MULT much
2016-07-16T17:27:44Z sjl: I think I'll just let it go for now
2016-07-16T17:29:07Z stassats: sbcl can actually derive a lot of things on its own
2016-07-16T17:29:21Z stassats: even across functions, if they are in the same file
2016-07-16T17:31:08Z stassats: so, just a few straegic declaims can help you, like for wam-heap-push!, and push-unbound-reference! won't need its own type
2016-07-16T18:22:48Z sjl: stassats: even after removing defstar entirely (not even loading it with asdf anymore) return-multiple is still the #1 thing in the profile
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2016-07-16T18:24:00Z sjl: so it's probably one of the other things you mentioned I guess
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2016-07-17T17:07:53Z flip214: Is there a way to get the lisp forms after macros, compiler macros, and inline functions have been expanded?
2016-07-17T17:09:08Z flip214: or can I get more information about style-warnings? I get "This is not a (MOD 4611686018427387901): NIL", but with macros, inlined functions, etc., this is hard to follow...
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2016-07-17T17:10:12Z flip214: especially as the code works as expected; I've got (SAFETY 3) (DEBUG 3) but don't get thrown into the debugger, so I don't know which part exactly throws that message
2016-07-17T17:16:56Z flip214: and the "BLOCK WITH-SLOTS LET SYMBOL-MACROLET ECASE LET COND IF PROGN IF" part of the message doesn't match the macroexpand-all output, too
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2016-07-22T06:48:17Z strawairplane: in the sbcl source code, where does a call like sb!sequence:length get handed off to?
2016-07-22T06:49:03Z strawairplane: i just started learning lisp, and i was curious about the computation behind the evaluation of (length "string")
2016-07-22T06:50:05Z strawairplane: i can't really tell where the sb!* packages reside...
2016-07-22T06:51:12Z PuercoPop: strawairplane: if you use slime and compile from source you can use M-. to jump to the source.
2016-07-22T06:52:50Z Bike: sb!foo is just sb-foo basically. some stuff about the build process is involved.
2016-07-22T06:53:06Z strawairplane: PuercoPop: damn. i've been wasting a lot of time then.
2016-07-22T06:53:08Z strawairplane: thanks!
2016-07-22T06:54:03Z strawairplane: PuercoPop: i do that from the REPL?
2016-07-22T06:58:38Z PuercoPop: strawairplane: from the Slime REPL, yes
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2016-07-22T07:18:12Z Bike: it s hould be constant an vectors, yeah
2016-07-22T07:18:19Z Bike: should, on
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2016-07-23T17:40:34Z scymtym: does this look ok: https://www.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de/~jmoringe/0001-Fix-circularity-detection-in-logical-block-directive.patch ?
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