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2016-05-02T09:53:17Z engblom: I would want to compile 1.3.5 on armhf. I have already downloaded 1.2.14 binaries. How do I compile without "contaminating" /usr/local? If I set SBCL_HOME to where I have 1.2.14, 1.3.5 will not compile as the destination is conflicting with SBCL_HOME
2016-05-02T10:18:00Z engblom: I think I got it to compile by using the --core argument
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2016-05-02T11:55:02Z attila_lendvai: engblom: the run-sbcl.sh script should be able to run it from a non-installed directory
2016-05-02T11:57:21Z engblom: attila_lendvai: It was not possible before I specified with --core /path/to/sbcl.core. But I got it to compile
2016-05-02T11:58:48Z attila_lendvai: weird, I use it for ages to run uninstalled sbcl's. there's this, too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/666086
2016-05-02T12:00:30Z engblom: I have 1.3.5 up and running on armhf now
2016-05-02T12:22:03Z engblom: How is sbcl built? Is the build process only boot strapped with the older sbcl I used, or is it fully built with an old sbcl? I used 1.2.14 for building 1.3.5.
2016-05-02T12:22:35Z engblom: I am asking so I know if I should rebuild 1.3.5 with 1.3.5
2016-05-02T12:38:21Z Shinmera: The former. There's no need to rebuild.
2016-05-02T12:38:50Z engblom: Thanks!
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2016-05-02T14:25:24Z attila_lendvai: theoretically there can be bugs that only materialize when you rebuild version X with version X, but they are hard to even imagine
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2016-05-03T06:11:12Z engblom: On the download site of SBCL I can find an old version of SBCL for NetBSD armhf. Before trying out NetBSD on rpi2 I would want to verify it is possible to build SBCL 1.3.5 on NetBSD with you. What do you think?
2016-05-03T06:11:33Z engblom: I would build it with help of the old version
2016-05-03T06:12:04Z engblom: NetBSD does not seem to have any common lisp as a ready package for NetBSD armv7
2016-05-03T06:21:37Z jackdaniel: engblom: ecl is packaged for netbsd
2016-05-03T06:22:03Z jackdaniel: engblom: and I believe DGASAU will know if any other is
2016-05-03T06:22:49Z DGASAU: We ship CLISP, SBCL, ECL, ABCL.
2016-05-03T06:23:00Z jackdaniel: o
2016-05-03T06:23:15Z DGASAU: I test them on NetBSD and, occasionally, on FreeBSD and Linux.
2016-05-03T06:23:31Z DGASAU: "or" Linux.
2016-05-03T06:23:44Z engblom: ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/earmv7hf/7.0/All/   <--- all netbsd packages for rpi2
2016-05-03T06:23:52Z engblom: I can not find ecl there
2016-05-03T06:24:33Z DGASAU: I don't know who builds those.
2016-05-03T06:24:44Z jackdaniel: there is abcl though
2016-05-03T06:25:05Z engblom: Ah, yes! You are right!
2016-05-03T06:25:06Z DGASAU: Build report would be nice to see.
2016-05-03T06:25:55Z engblom: So you suspect sbcl 1.3.5 would build on earmv7hf running netbsd using abcl?
2016-05-03T06:26:14Z DGASAU: Never tried that.
2016-05-03T06:27:42Z jackdaniel: engblom: I know that sbcl builds with clisp – you may build lisp and try to bootstrap sbcl from it
2016-05-03T06:28:15Z engblom: jackdaniel: clisp seem to not be ready packaged for netbsd arm
2016-05-03T06:28:26Z jackdaniel: it may be built with gcc and autotools
2016-05-03T06:28:47Z jackdaniel: and I see no reason why it shouldn't work on netbsd armv7
2016-05-03T06:28:56Z jackdaniel: I've got to go now, good luck :)
2016-05-03T06:31:48Z DGASAU: Yet it doesn't sound it builds.
2016-05-03T06:36:57Z engblom: The funny thing is that I am actually I am trying to build as few things as possible by going over to netbsd. Raspbian would be the safe choice for rpi2 and it got all LISP stuff, but my WiFi module is really unstable on the slightly older kernel in raspbian. Currently I am using voidlinux (which got newer kernel) but too many important packages would be needed to be built by hand (vim with python support, s
2016-05-03T06:37:03Z engblom: ubversion, etc) so I am looking into trying netbsd
2016-05-03T06:37:44Z engblom: Then the only thing to build by hand would be sbcl
2016-05-03T07:00:20Z Xof: engblom: sbcl might work with little effort on rpi2, but it would need at least a minimal amount of porting
2016-05-03T07:00:29Z Xof: (to NetBSD, that is; it already works on Linux)
2016-05-03T07:01:33Z Xof: unless I misremember and someone has already done that work
2016-05-03T07:06:40Z engblom: Xof: That means it is probably a project I am not taking up now. The only Lisp background I have is Clojure. Because of the limited resources on rpi2 and the long startup time I am looking into taking another lisp dialect into use and I considered CL (sbcl) for this task
2016-05-03T07:08:46Z engblom: I would not have the skills at this point for porting anything
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2016-05-03T08:56:27Z Xof: engblom: most of the porting would be C, not Lisp
2016-05-03T08:56:32Z Xof: I don't know if that helps or not
2016-05-03T08:57:18Z Xof: (I also think it really wouldn't be very much work, but ...)
2016-05-03T09:14:23Z DGASAU: You can try asking akkad, if he may have ideas. I don't have the hardware.
2016-05-03T09:21:39Z engblom: I could very well temporary provide SSH access to hardware if someone is interested.
2016-05-03T09:41:46Z flip214: engblom: that would be nice, I've got 5 million emails to send anyway ;)
2016-05-03T09:43:50Z engblom: < Xof> engblom: most of the porting would be C, not Lisp
2016-05-03T09:44:09Z engblom: Is sbcl translating to C and then compiled?
2016-05-03T09:44:15Z engblom: compiling*
2016-05-03T09:45:41Z Xof: no, but the porting that is necessary is mostly at the OS support level
2016-05-03T09:46:57Z Xof: some bits of SBCL are written in C: mostly those bits that need to know about signal handling, flushing the instruction cache, and so on
2016-05-03T09:47:10Z Xof: all that said, there is a Config.arm-netbsd file already, so maybe I am behind the times and all this already works
2016-05-03T09:48:09Z Xof: yeah, it looks like Robert Swindells has already done all of this
2016-05-03T09:48:43Z Xof: so, give it a try :-)
2016-05-03T09:49:51Z engblom: I will! I am currently at work and I got my rpi2 at home, so it will have to be later but I will definitely give it a try
2016-05-03T09:50:24Z engblom: ABCL is lacking TCO and will quickly use up the stack. Would this be a problem for building sbcl?
2016-05-03T09:51:15Z Xof: it shouldn't be
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2016-05-03T17:20:01Z jasom: engblom: I think there is a file that lists the implementations that have successfully compiled sbcl
2016-05-03T17:21:51Z jasom: okay, I found one list, but it mentions OpenMCL 0.14.1 compiling 0.8.13 so methinks it's a bit out-of-date
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2016-05-03T18:25:16Z engblom: gmake: Entering directory '/home/lasse/opt/sbcl-1.3.5/tools-for-build'
2016-05-03T18:25:16Z engblom: cc  -I../src/runtime -export-dynamic  determine-endianness.c  -lutil -larm -o determine-endianness
2016-05-03T18:25:19Z engblom: gmake: Leaving directory '/home/lasse/opt/sbcl-1.3.5/tools-for-build'
2016-05-03T18:25:21Z engblom: [1]   Done                    echo "input" | Segmentation fault (core dumped) ./${bin} >/dev/n..
2016-05-03T18:25:42Z engblom: Something went wrong early in trying to compile sbcl on netbsd on rpi2
2016-05-03T18:25:50Z engblom: Still the process continues
2016-05-03T18:27:12Z engblom: Ah, now it halted completely
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2016-05-03T18:50:46Z engblom: I will try git version
2016-05-03T19:00:21Z engblom: git version is segfaulting at the same place...
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2016-05-04T00:13:46Z dto:  hmm --with-sb-thread
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2016-05-04T05:00:58Z engblom: Has anyone tried to compile SBCL against musl (a tiny libc)? After the failure of getting SBCL to compile on netbsd (rpi2), I am considering to try Alpine Linux for my project as it got new enough kernel to support well my WiFi.
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2016-05-04T06:09:42Z engblom: DGASAU: It dumped core on the feature check really early in the build process. I do not remember what exactly the file was called.
2016-05-04T06:11:45Z DGASAU: Do you have enough swap space?
2016-05-04T06:15:06Z engblom: I already throwed out netbsd, but it surely had enough of RAM for that feature test. It crashed on line 12 in grovel-features.sh
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2016-05-13T07:12:01Z potatoe: hey has anyone encountered these tests always failing?
2016-05-13T07:12:06Z potatoe: well hanging
2016-05-13T07:12:07Z potatoe: more like
2016-05-13T07:12:07Z potatoe: https://bpaste.net/show/d5dd52346204
2016-05-13T07:12:28Z potatoe: this is x64 gentoo sbcl-1.3.5
2016-05-13T07:14:30Z Xof: if you can reproduce it systematically, every time, that's very interesting
2016-05-13T07:14:57Z potatoe: Xof yep, every time
2016-05-13T07:15:01Z Xof: I haven't encountered a hang in many builds; that might indicate that something different in your kernel or environment makes something different happen
2016-05-13T07:15:22Z Xof: somewhere there are instructions for how to attach gdb and what is interesting to report
2016-05-13T07:16:51Z potatoe: Xof I can do that, I am familar with gdb but not with lisp
2016-05-13T07:16:58Z potatoe: if you tell me what to look out for
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2016-05-13T07:45:12Z flip214: Q about 226109b3d67a3ebb532343c0a0bef96b98dffc1c
2016-05-13T07:45:19Z flip214:     test for previous (sharp-star) commit
2016-05-13T07:45:31Z flip214:   (read-from-string (format nil "#~D*" (1+ most-positive-fixnum)))
2016-05-13T07:47:32Z flip214: would (read-from-string (format nil "#~D*" most-positive-fixnum))
2016-05-13T07:47:58Z flip214: simply go OOM, or is there some "compact" representation for bit-vectors that have all upper bits 0?
2016-05-13T07:49:16Z flip214: well, as the reader can't (always) know how many bits come in, it'll need to allocate the whole requested space, and die.
2016-05-13T07:49:28Z flip214: never mind.
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2016-05-13T09:26:58Z guicho: hello, I am trying to play with SBCL compiler. is there any way to improve the readability/verbosity of the disassembly results? in particular, can I print which register refers to which variable?
2016-05-13T09:34:57Z Xof: potatoe: http://www.sbcl.org/manual/#Signal-Related-Bugs
2016-05-13T09:35:39Z Xof: flip214: the point is that #1231923* is a reader-error
2016-05-13T09:35:52Z Xof: #1231923*0 is a 1231923-element bitvector
2016-05-13T09:41:23Z Xof: (but before the patch #<bignum>* gave a type-error not a reader-error
2016-05-13T09:41:25Z Xof: )
2016-05-13T09:42:04Z flip214: ah, thanks.
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2016-05-13T11:55:59Z vydd: hi, does sbcl support anything like defadvice http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw445/LWRM/html/lwref-268.htm  ?
2016-05-13T12:05:21Z rszeno: afaik, no doesn't support but i could be wrong
2016-05-13T12:06:07Z vydd: rszeno: ok, thanks!
2016-05-13T12:06:24Z Shinmera: You could write a large chunk of such a system portably.
2016-05-13T12:06:47Z rszeno: you are welcome, :)
2016-05-13T12:08:23Z rszeno: if you do, just postit online
2016-05-13T12:10:41Z vydd: Shinmera: hmmm. I guess I could redefine user functions and make them work as if advised, but I can't think of a way to do this for standard functions
2016-05-13T12:11:30Z Shinmera: Advising standard functions seems like bad juju to me.
2016-05-13T12:14:05Z rszeno: sametimes can be good but implies a very well understating of what is doing
2016-05-13T12:15:39Z vydd: well, I don't know... maybe I could advise arithmetic functions so they can work with vectors, or I could make use of that for optimization
2016-05-13T12:16:30Z mood: You could define your own + (and friends) in a separate package and just use those instead of cl:+
2016-05-13T12:16:42Z vydd: right now, I just want to play with that functionality, but if sbcl, as a major CL implementation doesn't support it, then maybe it's a waste of time
2016-05-13T12:16:58Z Shinmera: vydd: Again, that sounds very much like it'll just wreak havoc all over the place.
2016-05-13T12:18:30Z vydd: mood: yeah..guess that was a bad example
2016-05-13T12:18:43Z vydd: but I guess I'd just like to explore that
2016-05-13T12:18:56Z vydd: maybe it's useless, maybe not
2016-05-13T12:19:49Z rszeno: vydd, proably only few lisps iterp suport advice, emacs lisp in another one
2016-05-13T12:19:50Z vydd: Shinmera: and I agree with you, actually, that's probably something that shouldn't be used often anyway
2016-05-13T12:20:31Z Shinmera: rszeno: elisp has it mostly because there's no CLOS
2016-05-13T12:20:52Z vydd: ccl does: http://ccl.clozure.com/manual/chapter4.3.html
2016-05-13T12:22:22Z rszeno: Shinmera, yes but some peoples doesn
2016-05-13T12:22:35Z rszeno: :) sorry
2016-05-13T12:23:01Z rszeno: ... doesn't use CLOS
2016-05-13T12:23:34Z Shinmera: Then they can write their own ad-hoc, unspecified, bug-ridden version of it if they want.
2016-05-13T12:25:08Z rszeno: it actualy need pre/post guarding of any function, is tricky
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2016-05-14T13:21:38Z flip214: can anybody offer some insight why my LABELS isn't inlined as requested?
2016-05-14T13:21:42Z flip214: http://paste.lisp.org/display/315917
2016-05-14T13:21:56Z flip214: example is from some macro-generated code, only cleaned up a bit.
2016-05-14T13:22:46Z flip214: I'd expect the ($ :start 1) to be reduced to an AREF, the ($ :count) should be a simple lookup...
2016-05-14T13:22:52Z flip214: but most of the forms seem to be left in.
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2016-05-14T17:36:26Z |3b|: flip214: can you make the INLINE a bound declaration on the LABELS instead of putting it in LOCALLY?
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2016-05-14T17:38:43Z |3b| wonders if local functions are like global function in needing to know at definition time that they might be used INLINE in the future
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2016-05-14T18:35:30Z flip214: |3b|: sorry, please come again.
2016-05-14T18:35:42Z flip214: should I just remove the LOCALLY and put the DECLARE directly within LABELS?
2016-05-14T18:36:06Z flip214: putting it *outside* of LABELS doesn't work, according to #lisp.
2016-05-14T18:37:51Z Bike: doing it without the locally should be better, yeah
2016-05-14T18:38:40Z Bike: that will make the declaration bound as 3b said, which means that it will be in effect for the actual bindings, which might mean it saves the inline definitionsn
2016-05-14T18:39:41Z flip214: trying right now
2016-05-14T18:40:30Z flip214: no change, still too much trash^Wunused code is kept
2016-05-14T18:43:17Z |3b|: yeah, i meant put the declaration directly into the LABELS form instead of a LOCALLY
2016-05-14T18:43:28Z |3b|: no ideas if that doesn't help though
2016-05-14T18:43:52Z |3b|: you are looking at the generated assembly?
2016-05-14T18:44:29Z flip214: yes, that too...
2016-05-14T18:44:42Z flip214: mostly looking at the first two lines is enough, which say ~1400 bytes
2016-05-14T18:45:20Z flip214: If I switch the #+nil around I get 240 bytes - but with the one additional indirection via $ it doesn't work any more
2016-05-14T18:46:17Z |3b|: ah, so some of them inline and some don't?
2016-05-14T18:46:51Z flip214: yeah
2016-05-14T18:47:12Z flip214: perhaps the (if (keywordp ...)) part is too complex?
2016-05-14T18:48:06Z flip214: interestingly, with (speed 0) (debug 1) the inlining works much better, too - not quite as good (381 bytes), but still a nice reduction
2016-05-14T18:52:53Z |3b|: also interesting that it is shorted with all the #+nil removed
2016-05-14T18:54:36Z |3b|: (with the LOCALLY version, is longer with declare on the LABELS)
2016-05-14T18:55:06Z |3b|: which i guess is probably correct, since it inlines multiple copies of things
2016-05-14T18:55:49Z |3b|: actually might make sense in the LOCALLY case, if it inlines single-use labels by default, which i think it might
2016-05-14T18:56:01Z flip214: well, if it did inline *everything*, only a simple reference of the one variable should be left over...
2016-05-14T18:56:23Z |3b|: yeah
2016-05-14T18:57:26Z flip214: strange that speed < debug helps, too.
2016-05-14T18:57:39Z |3b|: might be inlining some array access stuff
2016-05-14T18:58:57Z flip214: I'll be offline soon; if you find something, just leave a note here - I'll read the scrollback.
2016-05-14T18:59:03Z flip214: thanks a lot for your effort!!
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2016-05-14T19:02:01Z flip214: SB-EXT:*INLINE-EXPANSION-LIMIT* is at 200; "an upper limit on the number of inline function calls that will be expanded"
2016-05-14T19:02:11Z flip214: function calls, not bytes. so should be good enough, too
2016-05-14T19:02:16Z |3b|: yeah, i think it would complain if it hits that
2016-05-14T19:03:32Z flip214: can I do compiler-macros for LABELS?
2016-05-14T19:04:43Z |3b|: i think not
2016-05-14T19:04:53Z |3b|: "Creating a lexical binding for the function name not only creates a new local function or macro definition, but also shadows[2] the compiler macro. "
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2016-05-14T19:11:28Z |3b|: flip214: probably not related, but is g889 supposed to be interpreting NIL as a symbol?
2016-05-14T19:15:21Z |3b|: flip214: and *regex-test-re-1* is a function name despite the **?
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2016-05-14T19:46:53Z |3b|: flip214: i think some of the problem is that $ calls g889 in addition to f4899, and you only compared to f4899, and i think it doesn't fold CHECK-TYPE (no idea if it is reasonable to expect that there or not)
2016-05-14T19:47:51Z |3b|: (or rather CHECK-TYPE-ERROR in the expansion of CHECK-TYPE)
2016-05-14T20:22:01Z |3b|: flip214: also, i guess KEYWORDP isn't foldable even with constant keyword, since you could unintern the symbol from KEYWORD package before calling the function, so that might prevent it from simplifying even when it is inlined
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2016-05-15T16:46:56Z mfsa: hey, did anyone had any success building sbcl on windows?
2016-05-15T17:04:54Z PuercoPop: mfsa: recently I've been getting a failure regarding something about timespec, but it may be a fault of my mingw setup
2016-05-15T17:21:24Z |3b| last built 1.3.4.28 on windows, trying head now
2016-05-15T17:23:54Z |3b|: yeah, looks like it fails, "Proclaiming SB!EXT:GET-TIME-OF-DAY to be INLINE, but 1 call to it was previously compiled." in src/code/win32.lisp
2016-05-15T17:34:25Z |3b| notes that the function (UNIX-GETTIMEOFDAY) that calls SB!EXT:GET-TIME-OF-DAY before it is declaimed inline has a comment suggesting it be deleted towards the end of 2009 :p
2016-05-15T17:43:44Z |3b|: if i mark that use NOTINLINE, it still fails on some undefined functions though: SB!UNIX::%BLOCK-DEFERRABLE-SIGNALS SB!UNIX::UNIX-SETSID SB!UNIX:USER-HOMEDIR
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2016-05-15T22:49:11Z stassats: especially since it looks that something's wrong with it
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2016-05-15T22:56:10Z stassats: scymtym: looks like the vector version calls the predicate more often
2016-05-15T22:56:33Z stassats: (lambda (x y) (> x y)) makes it as fast as the list version here
2016-05-15T22:56:56Z stassats: i've been meaning to transform cases like this for a long time, haven't found a good place to do this yet
2016-05-15T22:58:47Z stassats: i guess if apply the %%data-vector-reffers%% change to it it'll become faster
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2016-05-15T23:09:37Z stassats: i can slightly speed up #'> on two args, but more args suffer
2016-05-15T23:09:59Z stassats: transforming would be a better idea
2016-05-15T23:10:54Z stassats: maybe an even better idea would be a stub which checks the arguments and if it's a pair jumps to a two-arg function, without doing any &more stuff
2016-05-15T23:13:17Z stassats: maybe even inlined, but that'd need a new XEP kind, shouldn't be too hard, though
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2016-05-17T21:59:14Z Posterdati: hi
2016-05-17T21:59:25Z Posterdati: how can I print the sbcl version from repl?
2016-05-17T22:06:34Z joshe: (lisp-implementation-version)
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2016-05-18T10:33:01Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell stassats when he/she/it next speaks.
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2016-05-18T19:22:03Z scymtym: i would like to commit this: http://paste.lisp.org/display/316332
2016-05-18T19:22:33Z scymtym: any objections?
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2016-05-18T20:32:53Z Bike: Hey so, there's an occasional pattern with loop like (loop for (a b c) = (multiple-value-list some-values-form) ...), since loop can't bind multiple values directly. I put a compiler macro on loop-really-desetq to special case this, and it saves some consing, but it's probably the wrong way to do it. any advice?
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2016-05-18T21:43:19Z dougk_: scymtym: LGTM
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2016-05-18T21:47:11Z francogrex: it seems in older sbcl there was a function: sb-kernel:32bit-logical-or that no longer carries that name
2016-05-18T21:47:26Z francogrex: what can I replace it with?
2016-05-18T21:47:38Z dougk_: what did it do?
2016-05-18T21:49:51Z Bike: i grepped and found (deftransform 32bit-logical-or ((x y)) '(logior x y)), so i have one idea
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2016-05-18T21:50:43Z Bike: the other ones are basically defined as logthing, masked to 32 bits, and with (the (unsigned-byte 32) ...) on the arguments
2016-05-18T21:52:03Z francogrex: yes it was part of this: https://github.com/gwkkwg/cl-mathstats/blob/master/dev/sha1.lisp
2016-05-18T21:52:55Z francogrex: also sb-kernel:32bit-logical-and ... sb-kernel:32bit-logical-andc1
2016-05-18T21:52:58Z Bike: given the type declaration, if you just use the default it should probably work fine?
2016-05-18T21:53:19Z francogrex: Bike: (logior ?
2016-05-18T21:53:27Z Bike: yes
2016-05-18T21:53:33Z francogrex: true yes
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2016-05-18T22:45:04Z Bike: so uh, i rewrote really-desetq. with this version the loop tests pass and it saves about 3/4 of the consing on a dumb benchmark. http://paste.lisp.org/+6S36
2016-05-18T22:46:34Z Bike: i also noticed that the current really-desetq is very slightly broken. it tries to optimize out some forms in a naïve way, so that (symbol-macrolet ((foo (print 'x))) (loop for nil = (prog1 foo 4) do (return nil))) has no side effect.
2016-05-18T22:52:52Z |3b|: dougk_: sb-bsd-sockets fails to build on windows http://paste.lisp.org/+6S39 but with that fixed, sbcl builds and runs well enough to build itself
2016-05-18T22:54:50Z dougk_: the inlining failure fixed, or the apparent inability to print a message about an inlining failure fixed, or both?
2016-05-18T22:56:34Z |3b|: inlining failure
2016-05-18T22:56:53Z |3b| just swapped the inlined function and declaim with previous function which calls it
2016-05-18T22:57:24Z |3b|: didn't actually pay any attention, just tried first thing i thought might get past the error :)
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2016-05-19T21:03:27Z trinque: would anyone have advice on building on musl libc on linux?
2016-05-19T21:03:41Z trinque: looks like the build process bootstraps itself with a glibc-linked binary
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2016-05-19T21:31:10Z pkhuong: you could try to cross compile with a glibc chroot
2016-05-19T21:31:33Z pkhuong: unclear what breaks under !glibc/linux
2016-05-19T21:32:21Z trinque: it's that the bootstrap compiler doesn't even run
2016-05-19T21:34:28Z pkhuong: trinque: that's why you'd cross compile
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2016-05-19T21:47:46Z trinque: yeah, I'm getting a debootstrap going
2016-05-19T21:48:01Z trinque: however glibc sucks; it'd be great to be able to build for alternative libc in the future
2016-05-19T21:53:07Z trinque: whelp, debootstrap doesn't work on musl either
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2016-05-19T21:55:59Z fe[nl]ix: trinque: I suggest waiting until the Debian base system is ported to musl
2016-05-19T21:56:05Z fe[nl]ix: or fixing it yourself, for the glory
2016-05-19T22:07:10Z trinque: brought up a debian machine; is a static compile of the sbcl compiler possible?
2016-05-19T22:09:02Z joshe: it used to be at least
2016-05-19T22:09:44Z joshe: you'll likely have to mess with the generic and platform-specific makefile under src/runtime/
2016-05-19T22:10:39Z joshe: there's probably a few gotchas beyond that though
2016-05-19T22:10:58Z joshe: I'd recommend finding another way to do what you want
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2016-05-19T22:14:26Z pkhuong: if you have a debian machine you can cross compile
2016-05-19T22:15:03Z trinque: the machine I want to run lisp code on has musl as libc
2016-05-19T22:15:09Z trinque: will that work?
2016-05-19T22:16:22Z pkhuong: cross compiling works for things like "I have sbcl on fbsd/x86. I'd like to build an SBCL for linux/arm."
2016-05-19T22:16:34Z joshe: ideally you can cross-compile from any host with a CL implementation
2016-05-19T22:17:23Z trinque: there is no functional lisp on musl gentoo that I've found yet
2016-05-19T22:17:43Z joshe: that would be the easy route
2016-05-19T22:18:34Z pkhuong: s#fbsd/x86#debian/x86# s#linux/arm#musl-gentoo/x86#
2016-05-19T22:18:37Z joshe: cross-compiling from another unix host with a working lisp isn't that hard
2016-05-19T22:38:47Z trinque: Shiz in #musl tells me that alpine linux has patches, uses clisp to cross compile apparently
2016-05-19T22:38:51Z trinque: I'm giving that a whirl
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2016-05-19T23:16:03Z pkhuong: statistic say xcompiling between machines is more likely to work than clisp.
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2016-05-19T23:42:41Z guicho: and a way to make disassemble commands more informative e.g. showing which register corresponds to which argument
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2016-05-20T02:25:10Z trinque: joshe: I snagged the sbcl binary and lib dir from an alpine linux; it runs on my gentoo install as well
2016-05-20T02:25:32Z trinque: so I've tried to use that to then recompile sbcl and enable threading
2016-05-20T02:25:35Z trinque: it blows up with:
2016-05-20T02:25:45Z trinque: interrupt.h:85:20: error: unknown type name 'siginfo_t'
2016-05-20T02:26:18Z joshe: sounds like sbcl may need to be ported to musl
2016-05-20T02:26:39Z trinque: well yes.
2016-05-20T02:26:43Z trinque: do you know where that is defined?
2016-05-20T02:27:14Z trinque: actually. I suppose I need to apply alpine's patches still
2016-05-20T02:27:16Z joshe: some signal header, I'd have to check docs to see which
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2016-05-20T18:11:24Z trinque: @joshe: I have both clisp and sbcl built on the machine in question
2016-05-20T18:11:44Z trinque: the sbcl I built lacks sb-bsd-socket; what would cause that?
2016-05-20T18:11:59Z trinque: does that use something glibc-specific?
2016-05-20T18:12:56Z joshe: I don't know, you'd have to look at the build output to see why it failed
2016-05-20T18:14:09Z trinque: when an extension fails does the build just move on from there and disable the extension?
2016-05-20T18:14:14Z trinque looks
2016-05-20T18:34:15Z reb````: trinque: I think a long time ago the socket code would not compile if IPv6 support was missing on the machine, so it didn't build on my old Raspberry Pi.
2016-05-20T18:34:28Z trinque: where's the build log?
2016-05-20T18:34:36Z trinque: find . -iname '*.log' didn't find it
2016-05-20T18:35:39Z reb````: trinque: Compile output just goes to standard out if you build with "sh make.sh".
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2016-05-20T18:36:26Z trinque: ah ok
2016-05-20T18:36:32Z trinque runs again
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2016-05-20T20:22:08Z stassats: turns out, (write (list '(a b . #1=(c)) '#1#) :circle t) isn't getting shared by the compiler
2016-05-20T20:22:08Z minion: stassats, memo from scymtym: thanks for your thoughts on the SORT question. unfortunately, i don't have time to look into the more principled approaches right now. i will try to get back to it later.
2016-05-20T20:22:44Z stassats: i wonder if the dumper should get rid of the circularity table and just use the eq table at all times
2016-05-20T20:22:58Z stassats: larger lists, but those aren't dump all that often
2016-05-20T20:23:12Z stassats: besides, correctness beats efficiency
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2016-05-20T21:41:28Z scymtym: Xof: i have prepared a branch containing a draft of the PCL changes necessary for the specializable code. would you be interested in reviewing the changes?
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2016-05-21T01:05:28Z |3b|: stassats: is that the same as https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/613905 ?
2016-05-21T01:06:37Z stassats: apparently
2016-05-21T01:07:51Z stassats: treating lists as lists causes a whole series of problems
2016-05-21T01:07:57Z stassats: should be conses, like they are
2016-05-21T01:08:26Z stassats: it's more compact, sure
2016-05-21T01:10:21Z |3b|: i guess actually more general version of mine, since your example isn't circular
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2016-05-21T01:10:44Z stassats: it handles circularity in a special way
2016-05-21T01:11:22Z stassats: i'll try dumping conses some time in the future and see how it impacts fasl size
2016-05-21T01:16:47Z |3b| wonders why the variant of 613905 wrapped in functions works properly
2016-05-21T01:18:05Z stassats: as opposed to?
2016-05-21T01:18:16Z |3b|: just printing the original forms at top-level
2016-05-21T01:18:38Z stassats: the fop compiler then?
2016-05-21T01:23:18Z |3b|: added a comment to 613905 about it
2016-05-21T01:23:30Z stassats: i'm quite inclined in getting rid the fop compiler
2016-05-21T01:23:54Z stassats: need to measure the impact as well
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2016-05-21T14:10:29Z Xof: scymtym: yes, I would!
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2016-05-21T18:29:36Z scymtym: Xof: thanks, i'm improving the code a bit more. i will probably have the branch ready for an initial review today or tomorrow
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2016-05-21T21:14:31Z stassats: pulling on the "remove the circularity table" gets me to "rewrite the whole fasl format"
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2016-05-21T23:42:51Z scymtym: Xof: https://github.com/scymtym/sbcl/tree/wip-extensible-specializers
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2016-05-22T18:38:21Z stassats: gave (eql single-float x) the same treatment as for fixnums
2016-05-22T18:38:31Z stassats: discovered we're in a freeze in the middle of it
2016-05-22T18:40:35Z stassats: interestingly, x86-64 uses float operations for (eq x 2.0), while arm64 doesn't
2016-05-22T18:42:23Z stassats: x86-64 does something really strange, even
2016-05-22T18:43:02Z stassats: it stores 2.0 as an inline constant, then boxes it
2016-05-22T18:47:52Z stassats: move-from-single seems to be the same on both
2016-05-22T18:53:57Z stassats: i added a vop for that case, but still strange
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2016-05-23T19:24:58Z francogrex: hi is it possible to change sbcl's startup message without need to compile from sractch.... I would like to get rid of the "warning that comes on windows"
2016-05-23T19:25:12Z stassats: no
2016-05-23T19:25:19Z stassats: just use no-inform
2016-05-23T19:25:20Z francogrex: This is SBCL 1.3.5, an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp ... etc
2016-05-23T19:25:52Z francogrex: stassats: not even with save lisp and die image?
2016-05-23T19:27:06Z stassats: don't think save lisp and die has any message
2016-05-23T19:27:09Z foom: francogrex: you could probably open the binary in a binary-editor and add a 0 at the part of the message you want to truncate.
2016-05-23T19:27:27Z stassats: and it's noinform, not no-inform
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2016-05-23T19:30:15Z francogrex: yes ok noinform is fine
2016-05-23T19:30:33Z francogrex: then I customize .sbclrc
2016-05-23T19:35:19Z francogrex: foom: that's a little bit too extreme for now
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2016-05-23T19:37:33Z francogrex: i used to build sbcl from source on windows using mingw gcc.
2016-05-23T19:37:54Z francogrex: but now because the win32 binaries are better done I use them directly
2016-05-23T19:38:02Z francogrex: for thread support mainly
2016-05-23T19:38:08Z stassats: "better done"?
2016-05-23T19:38:20Z francogrex: they were inexistant before
2016-05-23T19:38:35Z stassats: five years ago?
2016-05-23T19:38:43Z francogrex: abou
2016-05-23T19:38:46Z francogrex: about
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2016-05-23T20:29:54Z |3b| wonders if  (:EXERCISING-CONCURRENT-SYSCALLS) is broken on win32
2016-05-23T20:30:17Z |3b|: i get "::: UNEXPECTED-SUCCESS (:EXERCISING-CONCURRENT-SYSCALLS) due to NIL: "NIL"" but before that it prints "
2016-05-23T20:30:25Z |3b|: Got errno: 0 (The operation completed successfully.) instead of 4" twice, suggesting it didn't actually succeed
2016-05-23T20:30:45Z stassats: errno is probably a bad idea on windows
2016-05-23T20:32:24Z |3b|: also get "::: UNEXPECTED-SUCCESS (SLEEP :NON-CONSING) due to NIL: "NIL"", no idea if that one is valid or not
2016-05-23T20:32:49Z |3b|: and ::: UNEXPECTED-SUCCESS (WAIT-ON-SEMAPHORE SEMAPHORE-NOTIFICATION :LP-1038034)
2016-05-23T20:32:52Z |3b|:     due to NIL: "NIL"
2016-05-23T20:33:09Z stassats: i haven't run the windows test
2016-05-23T20:33:13Z stassats: for some time now
2016-05-23T20:33:18Z stassats: since they tend to hang
2016-05-23T20:33:19Z |3b|: which prints 3 rows of ; ............................................................
2016-05-23T20:33:29Z |3b|: yeah, which is why i'm try to do so :)
2016-05-23T20:33:32Z |3b|: *trying
2016-05-23T20:36:09Z |3b|: ::: UNEXPECTED-FAILURE (OPEN :IF-EXISTS :ERROR) due to  #<SB-INT:SIMPLE-FILE-ERROR ... The file exists."
2016-05-23T20:38:32Z |3b|: ::: EXPECTED-FAILURE :TEST-FILE-FOR-CLOSE-SHOULD-NOT-DELETE due to #<SB-INT:SIMPLE-FILE-ERROR ...  Cannot create a file when that file already exists."
2016-05-23T20:38:46Z |3b|: oops, that one was expected
2016-05-23T20:42:15Z |3b|: ::: Running (:TIMER :PARALLEL-UNSCHEDULE) ... Unhandled SB-SYS:DEADLINE-TIMEOUT in thread #<SB-THREAD:THREAD "main thread" waiting on: #<MUTEX "thread result lock"  owner: #<SB-THREAD:THREAD "scheduler 2" waiting on: # {1005DB3113}>>
2016-05-23T20:43:16Z |3b|: (and a few hangs as usual)
2016-05-23T20:44:22Z |3b| may try running the ones that hung separately and see if it gets any more results later, but have to go afk for a while first
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2016-05-23T23:50:55Z trinque: looks like my build on musl lacks sb-bsd-socket because of this:
2016-05-23T23:50:57Z trinque: STYLE-WARNING: Couldn't grovel for NETDB_INTERNAL (unknown to the C compiler).
2016-05-23T23:50:59Z trinque: STYLE-WARNING: Couldn't grovel for NETDB_SUCCESS (unknown to the C compiler).
2016-05-23T23:51:14Z trinque: can I just define those somewhere?
2016-05-23T23:52:24Z stassats: alpine linux has sbcl
2016-05-23T23:53:10Z trinque: their build lacks sb-bsd-socket as well
2016-05-23T23:53:14Z trinque: and threading
2016-05-23T23:53:28Z stassats: lame
2016-05-23T23:53:32Z stassats: well, don't use musl then
2016-05-23T23:53:52Z trinque: glibc is a mega-turd
2016-05-23T23:54:08Z stassats: is it? how come it works and musl doesn't then?
2016-05-23T23:54:28Z trinque: because there are non-posix things glibc provided that musl didn't
2016-05-23T23:55:53Z trinque: https://security.googleblog.com/2016/02/cve-2015-7547-glibc-getaddrinfo-stack.html << glibc lulz
2016-05-23T23:57:40Z stassats: where should i send my laughs for the musl vulnerabilities?
2016-05-24T00:04:51Z trinque: I think it'd be hard to argue they're equivalent
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2016-05-24T01:02:59Z trinque made a glibc chroot for now
2016-05-24T01:03:14Z trinque: until I can put the work into either porting the extensions I need or doing a static build
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2016-05-24T03:23:13Z |3b|: signals.impure.lisp gets 'unhandled error' in windows due to failing to READ sb-unix:sigint (in a test that is :skipped-on :win32 anyway)
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2016-05-24T14:49:05Z resttime: Hello, I found a bug for building the sb-bsd-sockets contrib under windows.  Not sure who to talk to fix it.
2016-05-24T14:50:23Z resttime: It's pretty simple dealing misnamed constants I think.
2016-05-24T14:50:32Z Xof: best is to send patches to the sbcl-devel mailing list, or report a bug to the bug tracker at launchpad
2016-05-24T14:51:22Z resttime: Oh okay thanks, off to the launchpad.
2016-05-24T14:54:07Z Xof: thank you
2016-05-24T15:13:39Z resttime: Oh something I'm curious about SBCL, do callbacks (calling lisp from C) work when the FFI function is on another thread?
2016-05-24T15:13:47Z resttime: Seems to crash my SBCL
2016-05-24T15:14:09Z resttime: Err, doing things in another thread that is.
2016-05-24T15:15:43Z resttime: I was trying to get give a CFFI callback to a C function that does things with audio which is probably on another thread since it doesn't block
2016-05-24T15:16:25Z resttime: I tested with a callback that would just (print 'ay) and it would do it once then crash SBCL.
2016-05-24T15:16:37Z resttime: I figure it might just be a limitation instead of a bug but I'm not sure.
2016-05-24T15:19:04Z Xof: the other thread would need to be a lisp thread (have some data structures initialized) rather than an arbitrary OS-level thread
2016-05-24T15:21:52Z resttime: Awwww, I guess I can't then
2016-05-24T15:23:46Z pkhuong: I believe stassats made foreign thread callbacks work some time ago. might need sb-safepoint
2016-05-24T15:26:15Z Shinmera: The commonqt page says that since 1.2.9 it "works as expected" without any extra options https://common-lisp.net/project/commonqt/
2016-05-24T15:28:03Z Xof: oh
2016-05-24T15:28:08Z Xof: I am surprised
2016-05-24T15:28:15Z resttime: Hmmmm, I'll try to see again.
2016-05-24T15:36:11Z resttime: Prints successfully four times then crashes SBCL
2016-05-24T15:36:27Z resttime: 1 in the REPL three in the inferior lisp for SLIME
2016-05-24T15:38:50Z resttime: I guess there's something funny that the library is trying to do
2016-05-24T15:39:57Z pkhuong: are you sure that the callback is what causes the crashes?
2016-05-24T15:40:06Z pkhuong: what if you specify a pure C callback?
2016-05-24T15:40:20Z pkhuong: (from SBCL)
2016-05-24T15:40:39Z resttime: (defcallback ay :void ((buf :pointer) (length dword) (user :pointer))
2016-05-24T15:40:39Z resttime:   (print 'ay))
2016-05-24T15:41:16Z resttime: For http://www.un4seen.com/doc/#bass/DOWNLOADPROC.html
2016-05-24T15:41:27Z resttime: Use in http://www.un4seen.com/doc/#bass/BASS_StreamCreateURL.html
2016-05-24T15:42:53Z resttime: What do you mean by pure C?
2016-05-24T15:43:27Z resttime: I did try just having the body of the callback be empty, but that's still seems to be a problem
2016-05-24T15:43:30Z xristos: write a small C program that links against the library and exercises this function, with a callback also written in C
2016-05-24T15:53:03Z pkhuong: or better create a small C library with only your empty callback
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2016-05-24T15:53:16Z pkhuong: and setup your test in SBCL with that C callback
2016-05-24T15:53:21Z pkhuong: just eliminate variables...
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2016-05-24T15:57:54Z resttime: Hmm, okay C program seem OK.  I'll morph it into something that lisp can call.
2016-05-24T15:58:46Z resttime: Hehehe, I keep putting in parenthesis and forgetting the commas.
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2016-05-24T16:46:28Z resttime: Well that took longer than I wanted, but a pure C callback is okay
2016-05-24T16:46:44Z resttime: Lisp callback doesn't seem like it
2016-05-24T17:00:46Z resttime: Yeah, seems it doesn't work no matter what I try.  Trying the callback from a regular c function works too.  I guess the library is trying to do something funny.
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2016-05-24T17:44:24Z resttime: Oh? I can consistently invoke the callback 304 times if I pass the lisp callback to a c function that puts it in a global variable which is used by the pure c callback.
2016-05-24T17:45:34Z resttime: Then I tried using  a C counter which would activate the Lisp callback only after the pure C callback was called more than 300 times
2016-05-24T17:45:50Z resttime: Very funny, a callback that only works 304 times
2016-05-24T17:48:03Z |3b|: is it reliably 304 times, and what do you mean by "crashes"?
2016-05-24T17:48:40Z resttime: Yes I have a counter in Lisp, always 303-304, and crash by straight up bye bye
2016-05-24T17:49:24Z |3b|: so exits with no output?
2016-05-24T17:49:43Z resttime: Yeah, it just breaks like that
2016-05-24T17:51:40Z |3b|: and this is still with that sound library?
2016-05-24T17:52:31Z resttime: Yeah
2016-05-24T18:00:46Z resttime: Hmmm, now I used a counter in C to stop calling the Lisp callback after 300 times, to see if the pure C callback would keep working and it did.
2016-05-24T18:01:16Z resttime: But since I also included a counter reset in C, I reset it and it worked 4 more times
2016-05-24T18:01:21Z resttime: 304
2016-05-24T18:01:29Z resttime: Boggles my mind
2016-05-24T18:01:41Z Shinmera: Can you try to break on the 304th call with GDB and see what the stack looks like?
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2016-05-24T18:16:48Z resttime: Shinmera: Not sure I know how to make that work with sbcl
2016-05-24T18:22:16Z resttime: No wait, attached now alright let's see if I can do stuff
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2016-05-24T18:35:39Z |3b|: if you can't figure it out from debugger, try printing before/after calling the lisp callback from your c callback (if i'm understanding correctly that you are doing that), to try to see if it is breaking in C or lisp
2016-05-24T18:36:13Z |3b| is always suspicious of C libs exiting or asserting or something when stuff just dies and ffi is involved :/
2016-05-24T18:36:53Z |3b|: though that particular callback seems simple enough for that to be unlikely
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2016-05-24T18:47:19Z resttime: Okay I now activate the LIsp callback via another C function so that I can can see if I can nudge it by a call after the 304th one.
2016-05-24T18:48:07Z resttime: It looks like I can call it as many times as I want until the 304 Pure C Callback that calls the Lisp Callback
2016-05-24T18:48:49Z resttime: Hmmm, perhaps it's because every single pure c callback is actually done in a new thread
2016-05-24T18:49:14Z resttime: So it's knocking some value that on the 304th one will break something hmmm
2016-05-24T18:49:36Z resttime: That explains why it's possible to call it as many times as I want from the lisp thread
2016-05-24T18:50:09Z resttime: Err, calling the lisp callback from a pure c callback in a new thread that is
2016-05-24T18:51:18Z resttime: Hmm, actually knocking the lisp callback by the pure c (not pure c callback) on the 304th lisp callback with the pure c callback breaks my SLIME connection
2016-05-24T18:51:51Z resttime: SBCL is still running however
2016-05-24T18:52:23Z resttime: Though if I try to create a new slime connection it says "Could not create a new thread" SIMPLE-ERROR kinda thing
2016-05-24T18:54:05Z resttime: Oh? Something showed up in the *inferior-lisp* on my 305th knock
2016-05-24T18:54:20Z resttime: Again "Could not create a new thread"
2016-05-24T18:55:30Z resttime: Hmmm, perhaps calling the lisp callback from the pure c callback actually creates a new lisp thread which then exhausts the limit that sbcl allows?
2016-05-24T18:58:29Z Shinmera: This is all still on Windows, right?
2016-05-24T18:58:59Z Shinmera: 305 seems rather low for a thread limit though.
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2016-05-24T19:05:48Z resttime: Yeah only Windows.  Now I tried to test the limit of threads that sbcl can do with looping threads that just sleep for 99 seconds.
2016-05-24T19:07:25Z resttime: Can't create new threads after maybe the 200th one, hmmm
2016-05-24T19:07:43Z resttime: I guess this is a threading issue then
2016-05-24T19:09:48Z resttime: Threads that don't close and exhaust the SBCL limit is my conclusion.
2016-05-24T19:10:26Z Shinmera: Why's it creating a new thread for each call though?
2016-05-24T19:11:41Z resttime: Probably linked to why the library doing everything in a new thread to get audio data and such is my guess
2016-05-24T19:12:23Z resttime: I remember gdb listing out "New thread" a fair amount of times when I would attach to sbcl
2016-05-24T19:15:42Z resttime: Hmm, well the thing I don't get now is that it's inconsistent with just supplying the Lisp callback by itself, which allows it to be 4 times
2016-05-24T19:16:03Z resttime: Waht
2016-05-24T19:22:42Z Shinmera: While we're on the subject of windows, I'm trying to build sbcl with mingw, but it's complaining about a 'struct timespec' redefinition. Am I doing something trivial wrong? http://plaster.tymoon.eu/view/EW#
2016-05-24T19:22:58Z Shinmera: Google is failing me on this too.
2016-05-24T19:23:39Z joshe: iirc that'll be in a windows pthread compat header in src/runtime/
2016-05-24T19:23:56Z Shinmera: Right, but why is it clashing with the MinGW time header?
2016-05-24T19:24:05Z joshe: struct timespec doesn't exist on windows so sbcl invents one, you must have headers that make one up too
2016-05-24T19:25:31Z stassats: Shinmera: are you using msys?
2016-05-24T19:25:31Z minion: stassats, memo from drmeister: externals-clasp has been renamed to legacy-externals-clasp and llvm-clasp has been renamed to externals-clasp.
2016-05-24T19:25:36Z Shinmera: stassats: Yes
2016-05-24T19:25:40Z stassats: 2?
2016-05-24T19:25:55Z Shinmera: 1.0
2016-05-24T19:26:15Z stassats: use 2 then
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2016-05-24T19:53:46Z Shinmera: Using MSYS2 lands me a different set of errors: http://plaster.tymoon.eu/view/EX#
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2016-05-24T20:00:47Z stassats: Shinmera: >cygwin
2016-05-24T20:00:50Z stassats: there's your problem
2016-05-24T20:00:56Z Shinmera: I don't have cygwin installed on this system.
2016-05-24T20:01:12Z Shinmera: Unless https://msys2.github.io/ is not the msys2 you were referring to
2016-05-24T20:03:04Z stassats: well, i haven't used that one
2016-05-24T20:03:06Z stassats: or from that page
2016-05-24T20:03:40Z stassats: and i use an older one
2016-05-24T20:03:43Z Shinmera: Should I be using this https://sourceforge.net/projects/msys2/ ?
2016-05-24T20:03:49Z stassats: they may have broken stuff
2016-05-24T20:07:16Z Shinmera: The download file from the sourceforge page and that github page are the same.
2016-05-24T20:07:31Z stassats: then you somehow need to get rid if cygwin
2016-05-24T20:13:32Z Shinmera: The cygwin stuff seems to come from the msys2-runtime-devel package, which contains pretty much all of the other header files too.
2016-05-24T20:23:36Z Shinmera: And going by the include order that the compiler lists I don't think I can just tear it out.
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2016-05-24T20:36:16Z stassats: i just downloaded that msys2, did pacman -S mingw-w64-x86_64-toolchain and built the runtime just fine
2016-05-24T20:36:31Z stassats: their terminal sucks though, so, going back to my old msys2
2016-05-24T20:36:50Z Shinmera: Hrm.
2016-05-24T20:36:53Z stassats: i may actually have msys1
2016-05-24T20:37:01Z stassats: the old one, that is
2016-05-24T20:37:13Z stassats: so, either works
2016-05-24T20:37:33Z stassats: as long as there's no cygwin in sight
2016-05-24T20:38:02Z Shinmera: Alright, I'll try it with that.
2016-05-24T20:38:03Z |3b| has that cygwin dir, but stuff builds fine
2016-05-24T20:38:16Z |3b|: probably picking up a different compiler or something
2016-05-24T20:38:37Z Shinmera: I just installed the "gcc" package, I guess it automatically chose a cygwin based one.
2016-05-24T20:39:12Z stassats: right, you need mingw-w-something-gcc
2016-05-24T20:39:38Z stassats: mingw-w64-x86_64-toolchain seems to install too much crap like ada
2016-05-24T20:40:00Z |3b|: and possibly also use the mingw-whatever shell link rather than the msys2 one
2016-05-24T20:40:06Z |3b|: so you get the right environment
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2016-05-24T20:44:07Z Shinmera: Alright, that flushed through. Thanks a lot.
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2016-05-25T00:42:11Z resttime: Kind of fell asleep for a while time so I woke up and followed the trail to the end
2016-05-25T00:42:28Z resttime: https://i.imgur.com/M67iSwH.png
2016-05-25T00:42:40Z resttime: Looks like it's a known issue too :<
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2016-05-25T20:16:01Z engblom: So the buildprocess never properly begins
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