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2016-04-01T09:02:01Z scymtym_: i discussed this in #lisp but didn't come to a satisfactory conclusion:
2016-04-01T09:02:16Z scymtym_: clhs LOAD-TIME-VALUE seems to say that, in a COMPILE-FILE context, the form is macroexpanded and compiled according to "normal semantics". doesn't that mean http://paste.lisp.org/display/312052 should work?
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2016-04-01T09:03:32Z scymtym_: we /compile/ in a null lexenv instead of just arranging for "execution" to happen in a null lexenv
2016-04-01T09:06:48Z stassats: "If a load-time-value expression appears within a function compiled with compile, the form is evaluated at compile time in a null lexical environment."
2016-04-01T09:07:06Z stassats: here it directly contradicts the COMPILE-FILE requirement of expanding macros
2016-04-01T09:07:20Z stassats: so, it'd be weird for compile to work differently from compile-file
2016-04-01T09:07:55Z stassats: or eval
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2016-04-01T09:10:28Z scymtym_: true, i thought the difference was intentional, though, since the cases are described separately like that
2016-04-01T09:10:56Z stassats: there are differences, like evaluation time
2016-04-01T09:12:30Z scymtym_: yeah that was probably the actual reason for the separate descriptions
2016-04-01T09:12:59Z stassats: and macrolet can work in all the cases
2016-04-01T09:13:04Z stassats: technically
2016-04-01T09:13:25Z scymtym_: it could, but i agree that it is forbidden for COMPILE and EVAL situations
2016-04-01T09:13:51Z scymtym_: which is a shame since this makes cl-ppcre-style optimizations like (scan expr input) => (scan/compiled (l-t-v (comp-expr expr)) input) basically impossible
2016-04-01T09:14:07Z stassats: so, i wouldn't like a situation where load and compile-file produce different results
2016-04-01T09:14:34Z scymtym_: because the compiler-macro would have to code-walk expr to find out whether it contains uses of lexical macros
2016-04-01T09:15:13Z stassats: what about lexical variables?
2016-04-01T09:16:00Z scymtym_: aren't uses of lexical variables from within l-t-v clearly forbidden in call situations?
2016-04-01T09:16:29Z scymtym_: even for the COMPILE-FILE situation the compile "arranges for the execution of form to occur at load time in a null lexical environment"
2016-04-01T09:16:33Z stassats: they are, but why is your concern for your compiler-macro only for macrolet?
2016-04-01T09:16:55Z scymtym_: oh, now i see what you are saying
2016-04-01T09:18:00Z stassats: i guess "execution of form to occur at load time in a null lexical environment" can be interpreted that it doesn't expand local macros either
2016-04-01T09:18:39Z scymtym_: i interpreted "execution" to mean execution of the compiled code (thus after macro expansion)
2016-04-01T09:19:15Z scymtym_: since it doesn't say evaluation like the other cases and explicitly talks about macroexpansion
2016-04-01T09:20:05Z scymtym_: but your point means that such a compiler-macro has to pretty much restrict itself to self-evaluating things anyway
2016-04-01T09:20:19Z scymtym_: making the point about lexical macros moot
2016-04-01T09:22:50Z scymtym_: but wait, there may be another nuance there. if the form is CONSTANTP, it can use lexical macros, but can it also use lexical variables under that constraint?
2016-04-01T09:22:50Z stassats: there's constantp
2016-04-01T09:22:54Z scymtym_: :)
2016-04-01T09:23:30Z scymtym_: CONSTANTP is actually how i found the issue as it can be true for forms using lexical macros
2016-04-01T09:24:06Z stassats: you shouldn't use constantp with the environment variable if you wish to pass it to load-time-value
2016-04-01T09:25:55Z stassats: ppcre:scan  does use the environment, let's see if i can break it then
2016-04-01T09:26:19Z scymtym_: i bet you can. i do the same in esrap and it breaks
2016-04-01T09:26:54Z stassats: i can, i can also fix it
2016-04-01T09:27:29Z scymtym_: i will also change (constantp expr env) => (constantp expr) in esrap
2016-04-01T09:28:01Z scymtym_: thanks for discussing this with me
2016-04-01T09:28:09Z stassats: only sbcl is smart enough about the constantp environment, but other compilers break on load-time-value macrolets
2016-04-01T09:29:32Z stassats: constantp can also inline local functions, that's probably even further from what load-time-value can do
2016-04-01T09:31:49Z scymtym_: i tried ccl and clisp, but only the l-t-v part, not their CONSTANTP behavior
2016-04-01T09:32:28Z scymtym_: but calling CONSTANTP without an environment should fix all cases, right?
2016-04-01T09:33:13Z stassats: yes
2016-04-01T09:33:45Z stassats: the default NIL means "the null environment"
2016-04-01T09:37:36Z stassats: writing a test for cl-ppcre
2016-04-01T09:37:51Z stassats: i wonder if the tests are compiled-filed enough fro compiler-macro to work
2016-04-01T09:40:16Z stassats: ok, it does fail when needed
2016-04-01T09:40:31Z scymtym_: you can break it with just COMPILE: (funcall (compile nil '(lambda () (macrolet ((y () ".*")) (cl-ppcre:scan (y) "foo")))))
2016-04-01T09:49:16Z stassats: https://github.com/edicl/cl-ppcre/commit/26aa9b68fb59cc18d216efe0f15d535eb11a2d5a
2016-04-01T09:54:07Z scymtym_: you are always one step ahead :) i was just going to link the esrap commit: https://github.com/scymtym/esrap/commit/f2f837823ada447f5ebb2cba1155b3190e6cbba6
2016-04-01T09:54:52Z stassats: there should have been eval-in-lexenv
2016-04-01T09:55:08Z scymtym_: yeah, i don't understand that design
2016-04-01T09:55:26Z scymtym_: or just an optional environment argument like everywhere else
2016-04-01T09:56:12Z stassats: sbcl has SB-INT:CONSTANT-FORM-VALUE
2016-04-01T09:57:45Z scymtym_: maybe alexandria could add something like that
2016-04-01T09:58:00Z stassats: hard to do while remaining portable
2016-04-01T09:58:38Z stassats: a code walker, gasp
2016-04-01T10:05:34Z scymtym_: stassats: btw. do you have commit-access for alexandria?
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2016-04-01T10:35:09Z stassats: scymtym_: i don't
2016-04-01T10:41:04Z stassats: i guess i haven't found enough bugs in alexandria
2016-04-01T10:41:08Z stassats: which means it's pretty good
2016-04-01T10:59:37Z scymtym_: stassats: ok, thanks
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2016-04-01T11:37:53Z stassats: oh bother, Error: The variable SWANK/SBCL::*SWANK-DEBUGGER-CONDITION* is unbound.
2016-04-01T11:41:10Z attila_lendvai has the commit bit for alexandria
2016-04-01T11:41:54Z attila_lendvai also keeps an eye for patches and commits things that he understands and finds safe
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2016-04-01T12:49:47Z scymtym_: attila_lendvai: can i send some patches your way?
2016-04-01T12:50:38Z attila_lendvai: scymtym_: just send them to the alexandria-devel list. (if it bounces or too much trouble, then send them to me and I'll answer there)
2016-04-01T12:51:24Z scymtym_: attila_lendvai: will do, thank you
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2016-04-01T17:43:36Z fe[nl]ix: any ideas about https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1565023 ?
2016-04-01T17:46:32Z pkhuong: it's the initial thread.
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2016-04-01T20:03:16Z stassats:  first, create_thread_struct doesn't look like it did in 1.3.0.91-f9db2f1
2016-04-01T20:03:35Z stassats: second, i don't trust all those memory sanitizers
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2016-04-01T22:34:44Z fe[nl]ix: stassats: it's possible that this is a false positive
2016-04-01T22:35:12Z fe[nl]ix: in any case I need to fix it because ASAN is becoming mandatory
2016-04-01T22:36:06Z stassats: becoming mandatory? huh
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2016-04-01T22:38:00Z fe[nl]ix: mandatory in the continuous integration environment
2016-04-01T22:38:28Z fe[nl]ix: not in production
2016-04-01T22:38:35Z stassats: but it's useless for SBCL
2016-04-01T22:38:44Z stassats: even if it provides no false positives
2016-04-01T22:38:57Z fe[nl]ix: yes, but they're not going to make an exception for QPX
2016-04-01T22:39:14Z fe[nl]ix: and it's actually useful for the many C++ libraries we statically link into QPX
2016-04-01T22:48:21Z fe[nl]ix: that binary is now over 2G in production
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2016-04-02T00:32:17Z dyre17: hello all.  I am wondering if someone has insight into the following error (netbsd/ using pkgsrc /amd64) http://paste.lisp.org/display/312145
2016-04-02T00:40:58Z stassats: your clisp ran out of memory
2016-04-02T00:41:12Z stassats: maybe don't use clisp for building at all
2016-04-02T00:43:16Z dyre17: I didn't :( I uninstalled it before running 'make install clean'
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2016-04-02T12:42:31Z stassats: would a warning for (/ (the fixnum x) 0) be a good idea?
2016-04-02T12:42:37Z stassats: the integer, rather
2016-04-02T12:42:50Z stassats: rational, even
2016-04-02T13:02:49Z pkhuong: stassats: don't think it can be a warning, but something weaker like a style warning definitely makes sense to me.
2016-04-02T13:15:25Z stassats: pkhuong: but it would signal a warning on (/ x 'a)
2016-04-02T13:22:49Z stassats:  my idea of signalling full warnings is when the code will always cause an error at run-time
2016-04-02T13:27:52Z pkhuong: going purely by the spec passing a non-number and a zero are equally bad
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2016-04-03T00:05:41Z paule32: how can i compile a cl script to exec?
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2016-04-03T05:51:40Z jackdaniel: paule32: if you are interested solely in sbcl you may use http://www.xach.com/lisp/buildapp/ or save-lisp-and-die (for the latter consult the documentation)
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2016-04-03T07:48:43Z paule32: jackdaniel: thx
2016-04-03T07:50:15Z paule32: is it your app?
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2016-04-03T09:39:23Z jackdaniel: no, it's Xach's
2016-04-03T09:39:29Z jackdaniel: it works only with sbcl and ccl
2016-04-03T09:39:44Z jackdaniel: cl-launch works with broader range of implementations but isn't as straightforward
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2016-04-03T13:18:20Z scymtym: the :CLOS-HASH used in the new :PROBE-CACHE-SMOKE-TEST does not work on 32-bit systems: https://ci.cor-lab.org/job/sbcl-master/featureset=1,label=ubuntu_trusty_32bit/1550/consoleFull
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2016-04-03T14:54:41Z scymtym: does this look ok: http://paste.lisp.org/display/312331 ?
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2016-04-03T15:18:56Z stassats: scymtym: i don't think (*package* *cl-package*) is a good idea
2016-04-03T15:30:36Z scymtym: (*package* (find-package :keyword)), then?
2016-04-03T15:31:19Z stassats: *keyword-package*
2016-04-03T15:32:59Z scymtym: ok, thanks
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2016-04-03T15:38:38Z scymtym: hm, that makes it very verbose: http://paste.lisp.org/display/312331#1
2016-04-03T15:41:02Z stassats: well, it's either that or using the current package
2016-04-03T15:45:13Z stassats: and since warnings are involved, using the current package is a no go
2016-04-03T15:46:26Z stassats: when you load stuff and things are printed in the repl you might want to M-. to them, but the package is different
2016-04-03T15:46:38Z stassats: using *cl-package* works in 99% of the time
2016-04-03T15:48:07Z stassats: a better slime would help here, like remember the package at print-time
2016-04-03T15:49:32Z stassats: scymtym: i guess cl:function is worse than sometimes not properly working M-., so, go back to *cl-package*
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2016-04-03T15:53:45Z scymtym: stassats: ok, but i'm a bit confused. shouldn't using *cl-package* make M-.-navigating to named types work in /more/ cases since all symbols with home package /= cl will be package-qualified?
2016-04-03T16:08:22Z scymtym: i just noticed that the PRINT-OBJECT methods for ALIEN-{TYPE,VALUE} did something similar as a kludge which can now go away
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2016-04-03T18:21:23Z stassats: looks like copy propagation works across blocks, but not within
2016-04-03T18:21:49Z stassats: and my optimize-constant-loads only works within blocks
2016-04-03T18:21:54Z stassats: i ought to unify that
2016-04-03T18:22:34Z stassats is working on making fricas to compile
2016-04-03T18:22:46Z stassats: because, apparently, nobody actually wants the bugs to be fixed
2016-04-03T18:28:59Z stassats: looks like i got past copyprop, which was expected to be easy, now to constraints, where i have no idea
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2016-04-03T19:51:33Z stassats: a solitary ";FIXME", so helpful
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2016-04-03T20:41:31Z stassats: hard to visualize what's happening in constraint propagation
2016-04-03T20:41:44Z stassats: but somehow a CAST is adding a constraint and a CSET is removing it
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2016-04-03T20:50:53Z stassats: the set-value is casted beforehand, maybe that's what confusing it
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2016-04-03T21:21:24Z stassats: the type of the cast set variable is (OR NULL (INTEGER -9223372036854775800 9223372036854775807)), and the type of the casted value is (INTEGER -4611686018427387902 9223372036854775808)
2016-04-03T21:21:34Z stassats: i guess that's why they're bumping each other off
2016-04-03T21:22:38Z stassats: although it doesn't seem to have any problems with different numerical types
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2016-04-03T22:04:46Z stassats: i wonder if constraint propagation was just broken at some point
2016-04-03T22:05:35Z stassats: SBCL 1.0 (oh, the memories) was broken already
2016-04-03T22:26:39Z stassats: broken between 0.9.8 and .9.9, bisecting is going to be a pain
2016-04-03T22:28:26Z stassats: perhaps it's b34a3535ed7950a17e5dfe940285dcc10a814cb6
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2016-04-03T22:30:47Z stassats: 350 insertions(+), 275 deletions(-) :/
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2016-04-03T23:44:35Z stassats: i guess constraint propagation needs to use a kill set
2016-04-03T23:44:54Z stassats: otherwise CAST will be adding stuff killed by CSET over and over
2016-04-03T23:46:34Z stassats: there used to be a kill set
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2016-04-04T13:29:29Z stassats: i can build fricas
2016-04-04T13:39:15Z scymtym_: stassats: great. what did you have to change?
2016-04-04T13:40:07Z stassats: copyprop, since it doesn't actually work within blocks, don't push the TNs that live only one block
2016-04-04T13:40:14Z stassats: this reduces consing
2016-04-04T13:40:52Z stassats: constraint, clear the sets created from the previous calls to constraint-propagate
2016-04-04T13:41:46Z stassats: that way it won't think that it changed something and won't run in a loop
2016-04-04T13:42:18Z stassats: i'm not satisfied with either solution, but they shouldn't introduce any new problems and do allow fricas to build
2016-04-04T13:42:31Z stassats: which means i have no pressure to come up with a proper solution
2016-04-04T13:44:10Z scymtym_: proper solution #1 = make copyprop work within blocks?
2016-04-04T13:44:44Z stassats: that would be an improvement, not a solution
2016-04-04T13:44:51Z stassats: the problem is that it uses too much space
2016-04-04T13:45:11Z scymtym_: so you disabled the part that doesn't work anyway to save space?
2016-04-04T13:45:11Z stassats: but that would be one the goals, yes
2016-04-04T13:45:49Z stassats: i now have a sorta peephole stage, i can pick off stuff within the blocks there
2016-04-04T13:46:09Z stassats: though i planned to extend it to work across blocks
2016-04-04T13:46:15Z stassats: so, somehow combine the two
2016-04-04T13:47:57Z stassats: scymtym_: the current strategy (the old strategy) is to first write a visualizer for the IR1 that can examine things at different points in time
2016-04-04T13:48:09Z stassats: then study what's really going on, then solve it
2016-04-04T13:49:22Z stassats: but there were talks of reverting the cast-unifying changes (why not b34a3535ed7950a17e5dfe940285dcc10a814cb6?), and i couldn't agree to that
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2016-04-04T13:54:24Z scymtym__: reverting would have been sad, yes
2016-04-04T13:55:35Z stassats: and reverting would only make it work on fixnums. my test case, involving (signed-byte 64), failed on 0.9.9
2016-04-04T13:59:30Z scymtym__: in my lost messages, i asked whether the changes are available anywhere. i would like to try and see whether some failing builds involving cxml and fiveam tests would be fixed
2016-04-04T13:59:49Z stassats: i'm about to push anyway
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2016-04-04T14:00:18Z stassats: it seems like fricas needs non standard --dynamic-space-size to build, just determining the lowest amount
2016-04-04T14:02:18Z stassats: 3GB seems enough, ok, that should be good for both 64-bit and 32-bit targets
2016-04-04T14:02:22Z scymtym__: in the cxml case the same build fails on archlinux but works on ubuntu so it is probably just at the dynamic-space size threshold for the compiler's current memory use
2016-04-04T14:04:29Z stassats: scymtym__: pushed
2016-04-04T14:05:31Z scymtym__: stassats: cool. i will experiment and report back
2016-04-04T14:06:21Z stassats: i don't really working with time constraints... i have a day job for that
2016-04-04T14:08:44Z stassats: hm, maybe if i clear constraints after the run, not before, it'll leave less garbage
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2016-04-04T14:26:58Z stassats: that doesn't help
2016-04-04T14:27:26Z stassats: because it looks like it conses a lot during the constraint run, maybe i can part with some garbage during that time
2016-04-04T14:29:32Z stassats: ok then, i'll take a break from constraints until i have a better picture
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2016-04-04T15:15:20Z Xof: thank you, stassats
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2016-04-04T17:44:51Z stassats: huh, is in-package detection in slime broken?
2016-04-04T17:45:13Z stassats: it seems to be activating the package before in-package too
2016-04-04T17:45:30Z stassats: but not within the in-package form
2016-04-04T17:47:36Z stassats: annoying, not going to bother fixing though
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2016-04-04T18:18:59Z stassats: is there an easy way to know that a vop before another vop?
2016-04-04T18:21:29Z pkhuong: stick something in the ir2opt pass?
2016-04-04T18:22:10Z stassats: so, nothing existing?
2016-04-04T18:22:44Z stassats: i'm trying to optimize two consecutive writes to the same tn
2016-04-04T18:25:08Z stassats: just assigning numbers is probably not going to do, there is insert-vop
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2016-04-05T00:51:57Z zRecursive: ... //entering make-target-1.sh\n //building runtime system and symbol table file\n make: Entering directory '/cygdrive/c/Z/RnD/sbcl/src/runtime'\n GNUmakefile:32: genesis/Makefile.features: No such file or directory\n  make: *** No rule to make target 'genesis/Makefile.features'.  Stop.  FYI, I use `sh make.sh --prefix=c:/sbcl/ --xc-host="c:/z/ccl/wx86cl.exe -n -Q -K utf-8"` to build SBCL using cygwin.
2016-04-05T00:53:06Z zRecursive: the SBCL is the newest source from git repo.
2016-04-05T00:55:29Z joshe: I don't know anything about sbcl on windows, but the actual error should be above that
2016-04-05T00:56:44Z zRecursive: joshe: There is already the windows binary on sbcl.org, so it should be built successfully on Windows.
2016-04-05T00:58:36Z zRecursive: I ever built SBCL on freebsd successfully using the same command "make.sh ...".
2016-04-05T01:01:45Z aeth: zRecursive: http://paste.lisp.org/
2016-04-05T01:02:43Z zRecursive: aeth: sorry!
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2016-04-05T01:14:43Z stassats: zRecursive: freebsd has a disk C?
2016-04-05T01:20:41Z aeth: stassats: it looks like cygwin
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2016-04-05T01:25:16Z zRecursive: `sh make.sh --prefix=/home/***/sbcl/ --xc-host="ccl -n -Q -K utf-8"` on FreeBSD.
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2016-04-05T02:14:05Z |3b|:  with ./make.sh --fancy --dynamic-space-size=16Gb --prefix=/usr/local
2016-04-05T02:18:14Z zRecursive: |3b|: Just msys2 only ?
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2016-04-05T05:05:23Z zRecursive: |3b|: thanks! Is msys2 + mingw == cygwin ?
2016-04-05T05:05:55Z |3b|: no, different projects
2016-04-05T05:07:11Z |3b|: similar effect, but different implementation details
2016-04-05T05:07:50Z |3b| wouldn't expect it to matter too much in this case, but we probably have different compiler versions, maybe different make or shell or whatever as well
2016-04-05T05:07:58Z zRecursive: then, Can cygwin build SBCL now ?
2016-04-05T05:08:32Z |3b| would expect it to, but i haven't tried it, and not sure if anyone else has recently or not
2016-04-05T05:08:48Z |3b|: first thing i would try is building from an sbcl binary if you can
2016-04-05T05:09:18Z |3b|: well, actually first thing would be to check for errors in the build output... you might just be missing some tool it expects to exist
2016-04-05T05:10:08Z zRecursive: ok, i will try to use SBCL to build the newest SBCL instead of ccl later ?
2016-04-05T05:14:07Z zRecursive building now ...
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2016-04-05T05:24:52Z zRecursive: still error! but sbcl seems give more informaton: "pthreads_win32.h:9:13: error: conflicting types for 'sigset_t'", etc.  Maybe i indeed is missing some stuffs.
2016-04-05T05:25:51Z |3b|: ah, seems to be a known bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1500350
2016-04-05T05:26:48Z zRecursive: yeah, i will use msys2 + mingw instead.
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2016-04-05T23:08:52Z kenanb: data as a stream, set returned streams external-format to utf-8, and yason:parse the stream, I get errors like "colon expected after 'foo'" but if I first flexi-streams:octets-to-string the data with utf-8 external format and then yason:parse the string, there is no error.
2016-04-05T23:09:08Z kenanb: when I tried the same with CCL, I didn't get any error
2016-04-05T23:09:37Z kenanb: any idea why this happens in SBCL?
2016-04-05T23:10:17Z kenanb: I also tried to set sb-impl::*default-external-format* to :utf-8 before loading anything hoping it is related, but nothing changed
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2016-04-05T23:42:51Z kenanb: stassats: but there is no hunchentoot involved, its yason and drakma
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2016-04-06T21:37:14Z reb``: compiler.pure.lisp / (ODDP BIGNUM NO-CONSING) (LOGTEST BIGNUM NO-CONSING)
2016-04-06T21:37:22Z reb``: float.pure.lisp / (SCALE-FLOAT-OVERFLOW BUG-372) (ADDITION-OVERFLOW BUG-372) (ADDITION-OVERFLOW BUG-372 TAKE-2)
2016-04-06T21:37:32Z reb``: debug.impure.lisp / (TRACE ENCAPSULATE NIL) (TRACE-RECURSIVE ENCAPSULATE NIL)
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2016-04-06T22:49:41Z stassats: reb``: nothing's changed otherwise
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2016-04-08T13:25:51Z adjivas: Hello, please, there is a function from `SB-EXT` to exit sbcl's process with -1 ?
2016-04-08T13:28:47Z flip214: adjivas: POSIX only allows return codes from 0 to 126.
2016-04-08T13:33:02Z adjivas: flip214: Your right, best to returns between 1 to 126 when the program fail
2016-04-08T13:35:25Z stassats: flip214: does it?
2016-04-08T13:38:30Z flip214: stassats: exit() says that 8 bit can be returned; but IFSIGNALLED uses bit 7, so killed-by-signal-9 has the same return code as exit(137)...
2016-04-08T13:44:44Z stassats: flip214: that's just interpretation of values
2016-04-08T13:45:13Z adjivas: flip214: It's solved! The command was `(sb-ext:exit :code 1))`
2016-04-08T13:45:43Z stassats: and even then, how many signals are there?
2016-04-08T13:46:46Z adjivas: stassats: Well it's typed like unsigned char
2016-04-08T13:46:59Z adjivas: stassats: -1 will returns 255
2016-04-08T13:47:26Z stassats: exit? it's "int"
2016-04-08T13:48:55Z flip214: stassats: well, on my debian amd64 SIGRTMAX is 64.
2016-04-08T13:51:41Z stassats: that's _RT_
2016-04-08T13:52:46Z adjivas: stassats: Well yes but isn't the conduct adopted by my command, I return only between 0 and 255
2016-04-08T13:53:35Z stassats: adjivas: it's masked off with 255, but its signature is not unsigned char
2016-04-08T13:54:13Z flip214: and 127 overlaps with "cannot exec", and 129 .. 191 overlaps with killed-by-signal.
2016-04-08T13:54:34Z stassats: that's just interpretation, you can return anything
2016-04-08T13:54:59Z adjivas: stassats: Right
2016-04-08T13:55:21Z flip214: stassats: yes, of course you can return *anything*... but successful communication means that the receiver can get the original meaning back.
2016-04-08T13:56:20Z stassats: flip214: yes, 0-255 do reach waitpid
2016-04-08T13:56:24Z stassats: just don't get killed
2016-04-08T14:00:41Z stassats: posix also doesn't say what are the values of EXIT_SUCCESS, EXIT_FAILURE
2016-04-08T14:01:42Z stassats: well, EXIT_SUCCESS is 0, but EXIT_SUCCESS is just non zero
2016-04-08T14:05:35Z stassats: flip214: so, you can't return anything but EXIT_SUCCESS or EXIT_FAILURE if you care for proper interpretation
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2016-04-08T14:12:05Z stassats: and there's always waitid
2016-04-08T14:15:27Z stassats: so, if you control the caller, you can just use waitid and you have all the 8 bites
2016-04-08T14:15:28Z stassats: bits
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2016-04-08T14:19:33Z stassats: flip214: and i think at least on linux it's not true that 137 and kill-9 gets the same status
2016-04-08T14:19:39Z flip214: man 2 exit says: The  use of EXIT_SUCCESS and EXIT_FAILURE is slightly more portable (to non-UNIX environments) than the use of 0 and some nonzero value like 1 or -1.  In particular, VMS uses a different convention.
2016-04-08T14:20:37Z flip214: $ perl -e 'exit 137' ; echo $?
2016-04-08T14:20:37Z flip214: 137
2016-04-08T14:20:41Z stassats: 137 is 35072, kill-9 is 9
2016-04-08T14:20:42Z flip214: $ perl -e 'kill -9, $$' ; echo $?
2016-04-08T14:20:43Z flip214: Killed
2016-04-08T14:20:43Z flip214: 137
2016-04-08T14:20:53Z stassats: see, "killed"
2016-04-08T14:22:30Z stassats: so, with waitpid you get all the bits, with waitid you get the whole int?
2016-04-08T14:25:59Z stassats: waitid still gives 8 bits
2016-04-08T14:26:28Z flip214: that's sad ... else openssl's 32bit error location information could've been returned directly ;/
2016-04-08T14:27:08Z stassats: i guess it's to save space for all the process information
2016-04-08T14:27:10Z stassats: 70s style
2016-04-08T14:28:16Z stassats: and supporting VMS... dunno
2016-04-08T14:31:33Z stassats: what if i call the exit sycall directly?
2016-04-08T14:32:55Z stassats: still cut off
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2016-04-08T17:59:33Z stassats: i think i know what might be causing all this bad widetag warnings
2016-04-08T18:02:13Z stassats: or maybe not, this being x86-64
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2016-04-08T18:11:28Z stassats: call_into_c doesn't seem to be used on x86-64, that explains why it's a bit strange
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2016-04-08T18:38:28Z stassats: huh, sb-show build fails
2016-04-08T18:38:41Z stassats: ;   defining setf macro for TRULY-THE when (SETF TRULY-THE) was previously treated as a function
2016-04-08T18:51:00Z stassats: dougk: that's something you might be able to figure out
2016-04-08T18:51:40Z dougk: sure
2016-04-08T18:52:08Z stassats: sb-show seems to be broken even further
2016-04-08T18:54:06Z stassats: cannot-/show for some reason complains about #:INDEX being unbound
2016-04-08T18:55:03Z stassats: ok, that's the setf truly-the
2016-04-08T18:55:13Z dougk: change 'defun cannot-show' to a defmacro
2016-04-08T18:55:24Z stassats: the concatenate transform invoked from cannot-show is doing (incf (truly-the index .pos.) ,(length value))
2016-04-08T18:55:25Z dougk: make it expand to `(progn (%primitive-print ,(concatenate ... stuff))))
2016-04-08T18:55:55Z dougk: there's no reason to expect that concatenate would work if it's so early in cold-init that you actually "cannot show" anyway!
2016-04-08T18:56:27Z stassats: non transformed concatenate is unlikely to work
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2016-04-08T19:04:57Z stassats:  can't /SHOW:Test of CANNOT-/SHOW [don't worry - this is expected]
2016-04-08T19:04:58Z stassats: ok
2016-04-08T19:05:09Z stassats: but then 45857 Segmentation fault: 11
2016-04-08T19:05:11Z stassats: sigh
2016-04-08T19:07:35Z stassats: now i can't find where it dumped the core
2016-04-08T19:08:11Z stassats: /cores, what a great idea
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2016-04-08T19:25:14Z Shinmera: Can someone confirm that this is a bug: (let ((/ 0))) => Constant 0 conflicts with its asserted type LIST.
2016-04-08T19:25:14Z minion: Shinmera, memo from drmeister: Could you install tmux on linud?  That would make working on there a lot easier because I could keep terminal sessions open.
2016-04-08T19:25:19Z Shinmera: This is on 1.3.3.66-b7bdbc4
2016-04-08T19:25:35Z stassats: clhs //v
2016-04-08T19:25:35Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v_sl_sls.htm
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2016-04-08T19:26:32Z Shinmera: So the type assertion is kept even for local bindings?
2016-04-08T19:26:48Z stassats: what's a local binding?
2016-04-08T19:27:47Z Shinmera: A let binding is what I'm referring to
2016-04-08T19:28:08Z stassats: well, yeah
2016-04-08T19:28:29Z stassats: you can't have "local" bindings for special variables
2016-04-08T19:29:05Z Shinmera: Alright, thanks.
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2016-04-08T20:57:28Z stassats: not "waiting" waiting, but i'm not eager to commit %concatenate-to-base-string
2016-04-08T20:58:30Z stassats: dougk: i can open a ticket if that's something non-trivial
2016-04-08T20:58:59Z dougk: oh i thought you had it working. i'll fix it
2016-04-08T20:59:14Z dougk: btw you broke check-bound in the interpreter, i just pushed that fix
2016-04-08T20:59:21Z stassats: i thought you though that
2016-04-08T20:59:37Z stassats: that's not surprising, i don't really use the interpreter
2016-04-08T21:00:36Z dougk: it's used in our build cloud which you can hear about at the European Lisp Symposium !
2016-04-08T21:01:01Z dougk: (to which i'm not going)
2016-04-08T21:01:21Z stassats: neither am i, at least not really thinking about going
2016-04-08T21:02:27Z stassats: i guess (setf truly-the) can be added to cross-misc
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2016-04-08T21:06:55Z phoe_krk: I want to save-lisp-without-dying for backup purposes. Is it possible to do that, or do I need to save-lisp-and-die, copy the image elsewhere and then immediately re-run the saved image?
2016-04-08T21:08:07Z dougk: stassats: i have the truly-the issue fixed, give me a few minutes
2016-04-08T21:08:26Z stassats: dougk: well, i'm not really going to use sb-show, so, no rush
2016-04-08T21:08:39Z stassats: phoe_krk: you can fork
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2016-04-08T21:09:03Z stassats: but in general, that's not a really great idea
2016-04-08T21:10:51Z phoe_krk: stassats: fork?
2016-04-08T21:11:04Z stassats: save-lisp-and-die
2016-04-08T21:11:45Z stassats: if that's your "backup" strategy, then something's wrong
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2016-04-08T21:12:18Z phoe_krk: stassats: it's not my backup strategy, I want to be able to save snapshots
2016-04-08T21:12:46Z stassats: snapshots of what?
2016-04-08T21:12:57Z phoe_krk: And I can't see an option for forking anywhere inside save-lisp-and-die. Let me find things.
2016-04-08T21:12:57Z White_Flame: phoe_krk: as well as with Lisp, we've built a lot of snapshottable development environment.  It's always a better idea to save the code to get you to that snapshot point, as opposed to tryign to transparently save your state
2016-04-08T21:13:50Z stassats: phoe_krk: there's no such option in save-lisp-and-die
2016-04-08T21:14:18Z phoe_krk: White_Flame: we'll be using git with Lisp scripts to autoload the newest version, so that's the version control. I just want to experiment with Lisp a tiny bit, and that's one way I want to check out.
2016-04-08T21:14:37Z phoe_krk: stassats: how do I fork then? I don't think I can do it from outside the SBCL image
2016-04-08T21:14:42Z stassats: save-lisp-and-die is used for creating executables, not for snapshots
2016-04-08T21:15:27Z stassats: it's going to fall flat for anything complicated
2016-04-08T21:15:30Z White_Flame: reloading from a save-lisp-and-die also wouldn't resume the program counter in your main program, nor have any threads running
2016-04-08T21:15:47Z White_Flame: as well as all the ephemeral state like open sockets or files
2016-04-08T21:15:49Z stassats: well, save-lisp-and-die won't even work if you have multiple threads
2016-04-08T21:16:01Z White_Flame: true, I've never tried
2016-04-08T21:16:07Z White_Flame: since it conceptually doesnt' make sense
2016-04-08T21:19:03Z stassats: dougk: ok, so that's how you fixed it
2016-04-08T21:19:32Z stassats: i thought a (defmacro truly-the (type expr) `(the ,type ,expr)) counterpart would do
2016-04-08T21:20:40Z phoe_krk: https://deplinenoise.wordpress.com/2010/11/13/sbcl-core-saving/
2016-04-08T21:20:44Z phoe_krk: That's what I needed.
2016-04-08T21:21:01Z stassats: dougk: does that mean any usage of concatenate won't work anymore?
2016-04-08T21:21:40Z dougk: no the only use that wouldn't work was one cross-compiled before defsetfs is
2016-04-08T21:21:52Z stassats: ok then
2016-04-08T21:23:17Z stassats: what's even the point of cannot-/show?
2016-04-08T21:23:34Z dougk: there is none
2016-04-08T21:24:51Z dougk: streams didn't used to work early enough.
2016-04-08T21:41:28Z adjivas: Hello, someone can recommend to me a documentation generator from my lisp comment?
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2016-04-09T15:03:56Z f0ff: is it possible to get threading on armhf?
2016-04-09T15:04:51Z f0ff: playing around with a raspberry pi
2016-04-09T15:22:32Z Xof: it's not implemented yet
2016-04-09T15:22:35Z Xof: I have the easy half done
2016-04-09T15:33:02Z f0ff: Oki :-)
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2016-04-12T13:41:00Z Xof: do we actually *run* on an armv5?
2016-04-12T13:42:20Z Xof: (according to The Internet, RPi is armv6
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2016-04-12T13:46:18Z chris2: only armv5 kinda popular is dockstar i think
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2016-04-12T13:58:29Z stassats: Xof: just bump it and see if anyone complains?
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2016-04-12T20:24:42Z joshe: I used to have a buildbot cluster with ppc builders but it's no longer running
2016-04-12T20:25:29Z foom: Xof: Google might want to in the future, per recent announcements.
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2016-04-13T21:46:12Z stassats: why does make.sh need /bin/time
2016-04-13T21:46:33Z stassats: does anybody depend on that?
2016-04-13T21:46:43Z stassats: launched from bash
2016-04-13T21:46:46Z Cthulhux`: why doesnt it depend on left-pad?
2016-04-13T21:46:49Z Cthulhux`: (scnr)
2016-04-13T21:47:22Z stassats: building on cpu model               : Cavium Octeon II V0.1
2016-04-13T21:47:27Z stassats: isa                     : mips2 mips3 mips4 mips5 mips64r2
2016-04-13T21:50:46Z joshe: how long does sbcl take to build on that?
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2016-04-13T23:35:23Z jasom: stassats: what hardware are you using that has an Octeon?
2016-04-13T23:35:47Z stassats: some router
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2016-04-13T23:39:50Z jasom: in general /bin/time is used in favor of shell builtins as the /bin/time is more likely to be gnu time, which IIRC has some features that bash time doesn't have
2016-04-13T23:40:06Z jasom: and definitely has features that /bin/sh might not have on some platforms
2016-04-13T23:40:23Z stassats: it doesn't want /bin/time
2016-04-13T23:40:32Z stassats: /bin/sh doesn't have time and there is no /bin/time
2016-04-13T23:40:45Z jasom: oh
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2016-04-14T10:24:25Z stassats: CALL-INT-DOUBLE-CALLBACK / CALL-FLOAT-FLOAT-DOUBLE-CALLBACK / CALL-INT-FLOAT-DOUBLE-CALLBACK broken on mips
2016-04-14T10:24:25Z minion: stassats, memo from drmeister: I set up the "dev-fastgf" branch - it contains the latest code and I overwrote the CLOS with the most advanced changes we made back in Feb.
2016-04-14T10:24:25Z minion: stassats, memo from drmeister: I'm building dev-fastgf but won't know until morning how it went.  There is a test case in clasp/src/lisp/tests/clos-problems.lisp that illustrate two problems with the CLOS code - I'm building dev-fastgf overnight.
2016-04-14T10:24:44Z stassats: i though that was fixed, but maybe my configuration is different
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2016-04-14T13:49:33Z stassats: during warm load
2016-04-14T13:50:12Z stassats:   #S(TYPE-ERROR :ACTUAL-INITARGS (DATUM NIL EXPECTED-TYPE (MEMBER T NIL)) :ASSIGNED-SLOTS NIL)
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2016-04-14T14:28:00Z stassats: pretty strange only for the big-endian variant to fail
2016-04-14T14:32:52Z dougk: stassats: i can look at that later. I only cross-built and noticed that it started ok. i'd have to use qemu for warm load which will take ... 8 hours?
2016-04-14T14:39:00Z stassats: 1.0.28 may not be suitable for building
2016-04-14T14:39:37Z stassats: make that 1.0.23
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2016-04-14T14:40:27Z stassats: no
2016-04-14T14:40:31Z flip214: okay
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2016-04-14T15:40:37Z stassats: (DATUM NIL EXPECTED-TYPE (MEMBER T NIL)) suggests there is some miscompilation
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2016-04-14T16:25:12Z stassats: which happens just before returning from compile-file
2016-04-14T16:28:45Z stassats: and there is no (member t nil) in the constants on x86-64, but there is on mips
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2016-04-14T17:49:33Z stassats: bisecting is not really a great idea
2016-04-14T17:50:35Z stassats: though cross-building will help
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2016-04-14T18:20:04Z stassats: ;       the first argument of FIXNUMP
2016-04-14T18:20:06Z stassats: that's a bit strange
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2016-04-15T19:54:40Z stassats: huh, a bignum allocated for the cast error, but it's not actually used
2016-04-15T19:54:51Z stassats: and it happens only sometimes
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2016-04-15T19:56:07Z Guest60654: you'd have to allocate the bignum in the error code :\
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2016-04-15T19:56:24Z stassats: it's not even used by the error code
2016-04-15T19:56:59Z stassats: probably some failure in the optimizer
2016-04-15T19:57:12Z stassats: not deleting something or reaching the optimization limit
2016-04-15T19:58:38Z stassats: it prints ;   (LET ((#:G42 'SB-C::DUMMY)) ;     (UNLESS (TYPEP #:G42 '(MOD 4611686018427387901)) ;       (SB-C::%TYPE-CHECK-ERROR/C #:G42 'SB-KERNEL::OBJECT-NOT-INDEX-ERROR)) ;     (VALUES #:G42))
2016-04-15T19:58:53Z stassats: so it's from substitute-lvar, but SB-C::%TYPE-CHECK-ERROR/C is a vop
2016-04-15T19:59:53Z stassats: why is there still a dummy, though?
2016-04-15T20:00:15Z stassats: or it just saved that source location
2016-04-15T20:02:11Z stassats: ok, i guess it thinks it will return the bignum, without realizing that it won't be returned
2016-04-15T20:02:24Z stassats: a constraint propagation failure?
2016-04-15T20:03:08Z pkhuong: stassats: is the VOP declared correctly?
2016-04-15T20:03:37Z stassats: it should be, it happens only in this particular case
2016-04-15T20:03:41Z pkhuong: oh yeah.... what is the return type of %type-check-error/c ?
2016-04-15T20:04:03Z pkhuong: constraint *might* do the right thing if the return type is NIL, but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't.
2016-04-15T20:04:39Z stassats: it's not my constraint changes, phew
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2016-04-15T20:06:11Z pkhuong: if it's constraint, I'd tend to blame either the very design of the thing or the bitvector change for almost anything
2016-04-15T20:06:36Z pkhuong: the bitvector change is definitely the right thing 99% of the time, but when it fails, it fails hard... and we can't build without constraint.
2016-04-15T20:06:45Z stassats: i can't reproduce it with simple casts, it's very specific
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2016-04-15T20:10:00Z stassats: will try to reduce the test case then
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2016-04-15T20:25:13Z stassats: it actually uses the bignum...
2016-04-15T20:25:19Z stassats: although to use it would be a bad idea
2016-04-15T20:26:49Z stassats: http://paste.lisp.org/display/313591
2016-04-15T20:28:32Z stassats: happened even before any of my changes to casts or constraint propagation
2016-04-15T20:29:35Z stassats: http://paste.lisp.org/display/313591#1 without using INDEX
2016-04-15T20:29:42Z stassats: this doesn't happen with just FIXNUM
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2016-04-15T20:34:38Z stassats: a loop is necessary too, so i guess it's constraint propagation misbehaving
2016-04-15T20:35:11Z pkhuong: loops are also generally harder (:
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2016-04-15T20:37:00Z stassats: simpler http://paste.lisp.org/display/313591#2
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2016-04-15T20:39:53Z stassats: lp 1261646
2016-04-15T20:39:54Z specbot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1261646
2016-04-15T20:40:09Z stassats: that started failing
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2016-04-15T20:44:56Z stassats: not that, its test
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2016-04-15T20:47:33Z stassats: sb-debug:print-backtrace got broken, apparently
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2016-04-15T20:53:11Z stassats: an easy fix
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2016-04-15T21:15:17Z stassats: back to the bignum thing, after the cast it does now that it's a fixnum
2016-04-15T21:15:33Z stassats: because it's a cast
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2016-04-16T15:22:10Z Xof: if so, how?
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2016-04-16T18:58:16Z stassats: Xof: don't remember exactly, why do you ask?
2016-04-16T19:01:16Z stassats: probably the same as on arm32
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2016-04-16T19:10:02Z Xof: stassats: when you implemented thread support, you changed the pa mechanism from two specials to storing NILs in some thread slot
2016-04-16T19:10:32Z Xof: and a test and branch around a brk
2016-04-16T19:10:56Z Xof: but in the #!-sb-thread case, as far as I can see, nothing sets the flags
2016-04-16T19:11:14Z Xof: wait, I am speaking nonsense
2016-04-16T19:11:21Z Xof: sorry
2016-04-16T19:11:37Z Xof: on a reread it looks fine :-)
2016-04-16T19:15:23Z stassats: they could share the same mechanism
2016-04-16T19:15:40Z stassats: but i'm not planning on using threadless sbcl on arm64, so, i didn't bother
2016-04-16T19:16:28Z Xof: sure.  I misread the test, and thought that things were set up right for one case but not the other
2016-04-16T19:16:30Z Xof: my mistake
2016-04-16T19:17:21Z stassats: but ;; When *pseudo-atomic-interrupted* is not 0 it contains the address of do_pending_interrupt could probably go
2016-04-16T19:17:33Z stassats: it's not uses in the pseudo-atomic macro
2016-04-16T19:17:44Z stassats: but it's used in arm64-assem.S
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2016-04-16T19:30:12Z stassats: the tn in question is only read or written by MOVE
2016-04-16T19:35:17Z stassats: which has 0 costs for descriptor regs
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2016-04-17T17:52:07Z stassats: try to figure out run-program io redirection on windows
2016-04-17T17:52:39Z stassats: looks like i have fixed redirecting to a file and to a stream
2016-04-17T17:53:02Z stassats: but actually using serve-event to perform copying needs a rework
2016-04-17T17:55:44Z stassats: probably the whole serve event needs a rework
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2016-04-17T18:50:16Z stassats: yeah, looks like win32 asynchronous stuff is operation oriented, can't just select on an fd
2016-04-17T18:51:04Z stassats: i guess i can manage that for run-program
2016-04-17T18:51:22Z stassats: but not sure how to make serve-event behave like that
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2016-04-17T19:34:49Z shka: hi folks
2016-04-17T19:35:00Z shka: i was running some tests with memory pool
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2016-04-17T19:35:27Z shka: basicly i was reusing fixed size vectors
2016-04-17T19:35:55Z shka: but results i noticed were kinda shocking
2016-04-17T19:36:01Z shka: http://paste.lisp.org/display/313769
2016-04-17T19:36:22Z shka: i was able to reduce number of new vectors created
2016-04-17T19:36:33Z shka: and in fact, by quite a large factor
2016-04-17T19:36:40Z shka: 2587 vs 2000000
2016-04-17T19:37:05Z shka: but amazingly, evaluation didn't take less time
2016-04-17T19:37:33Z shka: does sbcl has some clever optimasation to handle object reusing?
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2016-04-17T20:00:56Z stassats: it has... a garbage collector
2016-04-17T20:01:09Z stassats: but i don't see a reduction in consing in your timings
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2016-04-17T20:57:07Z shka: i had to do something stupid
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2016-04-17T22:41:25Z stassats: (with-output-to-string (str) (sb-ext:run-program "uname" '() :search t :output str)) => "MINGW32_NT-6.2
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2016-04-17T22:41:56Z stassats: cutting a lot of corners just to see it work, not in a ready state
2016-04-17T22:46:18Z stassats: using overlapped i/o adhoc just for run-program
2016-04-17T22:46:39Z stassats: probably doesn't fit serve-event well enough to make it generic
2016-04-17T22:48:02Z stassats: cr/lf anyone?
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2016-04-18T15:56:11Z stassats: always a joy
2016-04-18T15:57:58Z Xof: yes
2016-04-18T15:58:10Z Xof: these instructions look almost but not quite like ldr/str
2016-04-18T15:58:28Z stassats: ldr/str, double the joy
2016-04-18T16:00:44Z Xof: yeah.  Maybe I'll go home instead
2016-04-18T16:06:00Z stassats: testing run-program output redirection and about to commit
2016-04-18T16:06:37Z stassats: unless the testing fails
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2016-04-20T20:46:34Z gnome1: I was asking on #lisp, but better ask here as well. is there any SBCL-specific optimization for (defun recursive ... (cons something (recursive))?
2016-04-20T20:49:07Z stassats: no
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2016-04-21T19:49:33Z linoge: Hi there, I'm trying to (rename-file x "¿ASDF?"), keeps saying I'm using wild characters.
2016-04-21T19:50:10Z stassats: ? is a wild character
2016-04-21T19:50:18Z stassats: you need to escape it
2016-04-21T19:50:38Z linoge: That's a problem, the string isn't exactly a constant, I get it from HTML titles :O
2016-04-21T19:50:43Z stassats: you can use (sb-ext:parse-native-namestring "¿ASDF?") for help
2016-04-21T19:50:58Z linoge: Thank you very much, will check : )
2016-04-21T19:51:15Z linoge: The manual has information on this right?
2016-04-21T19:52:06Z stassats: no idea
2016-04-21T19:52:12Z stassats: who reads manuals
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2016-04-22T10:25:28Z stassats: dougk_: i had some ideas about LDB optimization, having a function ash-right-into-fixnum, but the problem is transforming into it
2016-04-22T10:25:44Z stassats: it needs to happen after everything else failed to transform stuff
2016-04-22T10:26:24Z stassats: so, i wanted to add another optimization stage, and then somehow to recognize the pattern of (logand (ash y -x))
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2016-04-22T17:03:32Z stassats: trying to optimize (ceiling word 64), because (+ word 63) overflows
2016-04-22T17:03:39Z stassats: and ash doesn't get inlined
2016-04-22T17:03:45Z stassats: could use RCR
2016-04-22T17:04:08Z stassats: but always using it is not a good idea, another candidate for a new optimization pass with pattern matching
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2016-04-22T18:01:00Z stassats: using %vector-raw-bits on word-sized vectors
2016-04-22T18:02:02Z stassats: also gets faster for fixnums
2016-04-22T18:03:38Z stassats: not handling (complex double-float)
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2016-04-22T18:21:27Z stassats: that and using bswap is left for later
2016-04-22T18:21:42Z stassats: fast string reversal would be a good idea
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2016-04-25T17:35:54Z stassats: it fails the type= check for *backend-type-predicates*
2016-04-25T17:36:09Z stassats: and then source-transform-union-typep crumbles on it
2016-04-25T17:36:52Z stassats: thought it already handles LIST, bignum should be added
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2016-04-25T21:46:52Z stassats: set *print-right-margin* to a fitting value, better
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2016-04-25T22:28:52Z dougk_: stassats: i could revert that change. I don't much like it either in retrospect
2016-04-25T22:29:32Z stassats: the line splitting or some other aspect?
2016-04-25T22:29:58Z dougk_: the line splitting. But I guess "write-string" had the beneficial effect of never writing the package name, which is what avoided line splitting
2016-04-25T22:30:28Z dougk_: i could put back 'write-string' but I do prefer 'fdefn' instead of 'fdefinition' since there is no class named the latter
2016-04-25T22:30:37Z stassats: larger *print-right-margin* solves other problems as well
2016-04-25T22:30:43Z stassats: so, i don't care
2016-04-25T22:30:47Z dougk_: yah, but I don't like the package prefixing now
2016-04-25T22:30:56Z dougk_: i thought I would
2016-04-25T22:31:20Z stassats: you'd have to have a different printer for the disassembler then
2016-04-25T22:32:05Z stassats: or, rename fdefn to fdefinition?
2016-04-25T22:32:53Z dougk_: not rename the object itself. Just (write-string "fdefn") so that at least the string we write matches the object type, sans package marker
2016-04-25T22:32:54Z stassats: or, print functions as #'function in the disassembler? who cares for the fdefn/function details?
2016-04-25T22:33:22Z stassats: but it's not used only in the disassembler, so not having a package prefix is not great
2016-04-25T22:33:36Z stassats: used not only in the disassembler
2016-04-25T22:33:46Z dougk_: you're saying you prefer that aspect of the change? It never had a package prefix before.
2016-04-25T22:34:04Z dougk_: we don't print sb-kernel:code-component etc
2016-04-25T22:34:26Z dougk_: or do we? now I can't remember
2016-04-25T22:34:26Z stassats: fdefinition is from CL, so it rarely would have been printed anyway
2016-04-25T22:34:39Z dougk_: true, that was a sneaky trick then.
2016-04-25T22:34:52Z stassats: #<code object X {1003B0E65F}>
2016-04-25T22:35:06Z dougk_: using a public symbol that isn't the real name just to get no package marker printed? very sneaky.
2016-04-25T22:35:33Z stassats: don't think it was intentional
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2016-04-26T18:48:42Z Xach: attila_lendvai: some trouble with hu.dwim.util and the latest sbcl
2016-04-26T18:48:49Z Xach: Lock on package SB-PCL violated when interning GET-INSTANCE-HASH-CODE while in package HU.DWIM.UTIL.
2016-04-26T18:49:01Z Xach: Breaks a bunch!
2016-04-26T18:49:04Z attila_lendvai: Xach: thanks, looking
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2016-04-26T19:05:34Z attila_lendvai: Xach: fix pushed, thanks!
2016-04-26T19:06:14Z attila_lendvai: (I've disabled the loading of the whole compact-class experiment, it's not used anywhere)
2016-04-26T19:12:02Z Xach: works, thanks
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2016-04-26T19:41:58Z aeth: What does "1 form interpreted" mean in TIME and how did I end up with it?
2016-04-26T19:42:21Z aeth: Well, I guess it means that I'm doing something too dynamic for the compiler to understand.
2016-04-26T19:47:02Z Bicyclidine: calls to eval
2016-04-26T19:50:29Z aeth: Strange. I don't call eval (I set *read-eval* to nil at one point, but that's the only instance of the string "eval")
2016-04-26T19:50:47Z aeth: Is there something that implicitly evals, like #'apply or something?
2016-04-26T19:51:06Z aeth: I do use apply in one place, but I commented it out and I still got "1 form interpreted"
2016-04-26T19:51:24Z pkhuong: the REPL might eval. so can FFI
2016-04-26T19:51:28Z pkhuong: apply does not.
2016-04-26T19:53:04Z aeth: Ah, I use the FFI indirectly three times in this code, to compile OpenGL shaders.
2016-04-26T19:53:16Z aeth: That's probably where it is, somewhere.
2016-04-26T19:53:23Z Bicyclidine: parts of clos, coerce, describe-object for some reason
2016-04-26T19:54:06Z stassats: you can trace eval
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2016-04-27T09:30:54Z DeadTrickster: what's the point of having deadlines  for condition-wait? any doc hints?
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2016-04-27T10:10:03Z scymtym: DeadTrickster: i think deadlines are designed to uniformly (without individual :timeout arguments) restrict all blocking operations in a given dynamic contour. not sure how complete/correct the implementation is
2016-04-27T10:12:28Z DeadTrickster: scymtym, I'm thinking about rewriting all this to monotonic clocks. thoughts?
2016-04-27T10:21:24Z scymtym: DeadTrickster: that may make sense. i haven't thought about it much. i know that there is at least one known issue related to clock-non-monotonicity
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2016-04-27T10:40:32Z DeadTrickster: scymtym, what's the issue?
2016-04-27T10:43:58Z scymtym: lp 1028026
2016-04-27T10:43:58Z specbot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1028026
2016-04-27T10:44:01Z scymtym: DeadTrickster: ^
2016-04-27T10:44:46Z scymtym: looking at it again, it seems only tangentially related to deadlines
2016-04-27T10:45:02Z scymtym: but may be interesting context for your plans anyway
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2016-04-27T10:57:02Z DeadTrickster: scymtym, I'm mostly bothered by condition-wait here because realtime clock is obviously shitty for relative time intervals. i.e. call condition-wait with timeout of 60 seconds then fast-forward your system clocks to 30 s and your actual waiting timeout now is 30 sec
2016-04-27T10:58:05Z DeadTrickster: not sure why it's designed this way. monotonic clocks available on bsd, linux and windows
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2016-04-27T16:06:57Z pkhuong: it's also not clear that monotonic clocks is always the best call. also beware the classic non-monotonic monotonic clock on linux. oh yeah, and we have different codepaths for futex VS no futex.
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2016-04-28T03:18:49Z Fare: can sbcl be built with clang on osx ?
2016-04-28T03:23:24Z xristos: yes
2016-04-28T03:23:58Z Fare: is there something special to do it?
2016-04-28T03:24:23Z xristos: not that i know of
2016-04-28T03:24:44Z Fare: I'm trying to use bazel, and the final linking step with sbcl.o complains about: ld: in bazel-out/local-fastbuild/bin/external/lisp__sbcl/liblibsbcl.a(sbcl.o), sectionForAddress(0x1AF25) address not in any section for architecture x86_64
2016-04-28T03:25:08Z Fare: (bazel does create a sbcl.o)
2016-04-28T03:25:41Z xristos: never used bazel myself
2016-04-28T03:27:04Z Fare: it works great, on linux x64
2016-04-28T03:27:23Z Fare: czak is trying to make it work on osx
2016-04-28T03:27:50Z Fare: he's *almost* but not quite there — having trouble with this final linking step
2016-04-28T03:39:34Z xristos: i'd double check the compiler/linker flags (maybe he's using -m32)
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2016-04-28T04:33:03Z Fare: thank
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2016-04-28T13:45:27Z xristos: how does sbcl lay out (simple-array (simple-array (unsigned-byte 32) 1) 1) in memory? is is possible for foreign code to iterate over the pointers to the ub32 arrays in the enclosing array?
2016-04-28T13:53:02Z Xof: it is possible but non-trivial; the outer array will be an array of pointers to lisp objects
2016-04-28T13:53:29Z xristos: yes
2016-04-28T13:53:40Z Xof: you might find it easier to manage a (simple-array (unsigned-byte 32) (* *)), where you would want to grab the underlying data vector, but there is only one data vector for the whole array
2016-04-28T13:53:55Z Xof: of course, if your rows/columns are of variable size, that doesn't work
2016-04-28T13:54:28Z xristos: they're variably sized
2016-04-28T13:54:48Z xristos: i've implemented it with untyped pointers and sap-ref-32/64
2016-04-28T13:55:38Z xristos: but it's a lot slower than using aref with (simple-array (simple-array (unsigned-byte 32) 1) 1)
2016-04-28T13:55:52Z xristos: and i can't give a pointer to foreign code in the 2nd case
2016-04-28T13:56:39Z xristos: so ideally i'd use aref on the lisp side since the compiler generates fast code
2016-04-28T13:56:51Z xristos: and also be able to pass a pointer to the foreign side and access both arrays there
2016-04-28T13:58:01Z stassats: sap-ref and aref should be the same
2016-04-28T13:59:27Z xristos: i'm seeing a 50% performance hit going through sap-ref (enclosing array holds 64bit pointers to the ub32 arrays)
2016-04-28T13:59:39Z xristos: maybe i'm missing declarations
2016-04-28T14:00:24Z xristos: but also there is translation between a sap/raw 64bit pointer value for every access
2016-04-28T14:01:25Z xristos: e.g. (int-sap (sap-ref-64 *enclosing-array-sap* (* idx 8)))
2016-04-28T14:01:34Z xristos: that will give me a sap to a ub32 array
2016-04-28T14:02:59Z xristos: if i manage the arrays lisp-side, it's simply (aref (aref *enclosing-array* idx) ..)
2016-04-28T14:03:12Z xristos: and the compiler creates faster code
2016-04-28T14:04:05Z stassats: try sap-ref-sap, for starters
2016-04-28T14:04:12Z stassats: then, don't let the SAP escape
2016-04-28T14:05:52Z xristos: thanks
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2016-04-28T16:54:22Z sjl: is there something special I have to do to turn on compiler optimization notes?
2016-04-28T16:55:11Z sjl: I have (defun foo (a b) (declare (optimize (speed 3) (safety 0))) (+ a b))
2016-04-28T16:55:37Z sjl: and it just compiles it with no warnings about optimizing the + away from generic-+
2016-04-28T16:56:41Z stassats: are you sure you are using sbcl?
2016-04-28T16:59:40Z jsnell: are you pasting that into the repl, or putting it in a file and compiling?
2016-04-28T16:59:50Z sjl: stassats: yes
2016-04-28T17:00:21Z sjl: jsnell: I was putting it into a repl
2016-04-28T17:02:43Z jsnell: I expect you'll get the optimization note with compile-file
2016-04-28T17:03:05Z sjl: yeah compile-file spits them out
2016-04-28T17:04:54Z jsnell: eval muffles the compiler notes
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2016-04-30T08:42:32Z angular_mike: I'm used to being able to navigate between previous commands in my REPL using arrow -keys. Is there a way to do that in SBLC?
2016-04-30T08:44:18Z PuercoPop: angular_mike: there is in slime M-p. You can use rlwrap to get that behaviour from SBCL, but in general you should use slime
2016-04-30T08:45:42Z angular_mike: PuercoPop: any examples?
2016-04-30T08:46:14Z PuercoPop: angular_mike: of pressing M-p in the Slime REPL?
2016-04-30T08:46:25Z angular_mike: yes
2016-04-30T08:46:55Z angular_mike: wait, is slime a different REPL?
2016-04-30T08:47:48Z PuercoPop: https://common-lisp.net/project/slime/
2016-04-30T08:48:01Z PuercoPop: it has an enhanced REPL, yes
2016-04-30T08:50:30Z angular_mike: so, nothing like that in the default sblc repl?
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2016-04-30T08:54:14Z PuercoPop: angular_mike: Like I mentioned before, You can use rlwrap. after installing rlwrap, type rlwrap sbcl in your shell and you'll be able to get to the previous input with the arrows. But it would still be a lot worse than slime.
2016-04-30T08:59:37Z angular_mike: PuercoPop: got it working thatnks. Slime is just for emacs, right? I'm more into vim
2016-04-30T09:03:16Z PuercoPop: angular_mike: The discussion is more appropriate for #lisp, but yeah Slime is for emacs. Some lispers happily use slimv
2016-04-30T09:03:38Z angular_mike: kkk, thanks
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