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sbcl build which in turn caused an "compare-outputs" build acting on the output of the sbcl build 2015-08-06T10:03:53Z scymtym: i didn't even try to understand /how/ the commit may have caused a difference 2015-08-06T10:16:13Z loke: scymtym: Didn't someone write some blog post recently about reproducible builds on SBCL? 2015-08-06T10:16:25Z loke: http://christophe.rhodes.io/notes/blog/posts/2014/reproducible_builds_-_a_month_ahead_of_schedule/ 2015-08-06T10:16:31Z loke: OK, perhaps not recently. 2015-08-06T10:16:35Z loke: Last year 2015-08-06T10:18:32Z scymtym: loke: yes, Xof did most if not all of the work (and wrote about it) 2015-08-06T10:43:35Z attila_lendvai quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-08-06T10:43:36Z attila_lendvai1 joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T10:43:36Z attila_lendvai1 is now known as attila_lendvai 2015-08-06T10:43:36Z attila_lendvai quit (Changing host) 2015-08-06T10:43:36Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T10:50:30Z kanru quit (Remote host closed the connection) 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I might be able to fix that, but holidays with small children aren't exactly conducive to hacking) 2015-08-06T12:37:00Z stassats quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-08-06T12:39:17Z eudoxia joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T12:39:43Z Xof: this is just a guess 2015-08-06T12:40:26Z Xof: I am not in fact convinced by the guess, but it'll be something like that. 2015-08-06T12:50:55Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-06T12:58:26Z psilord quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-08-06T13:45:54Z oleo joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T13:48:47Z karswell quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-06T13:51:01Z irsol quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-06T13:55:32Z irsol joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T14:26:55Z jozip joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T14:30:47Z oleo_ joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T14:34:00Z oleo quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-08-06T14:47:52Z jozip quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-06T15:02:04Z psy_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-06T15:22:28Z psy_ joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T15:22:54Z psy_ quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2015-08-06T15:23:33Z psy_ joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T15:34:41Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T15:50:40Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-06T16:05:52Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T16:17:48Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-08-06T16:19:08Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T16:19:08Z attila_lendvai quit (Changing host) 2015-08-06T16:19:08Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T16:35:13Z stassats joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T16:55:50Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-06T17:01:03Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T17:06:06Z Xof: alternate hypothesis: actually everything at XC time works fine, but the definition in src/pcl/defs is path-dependent 2015-08-06T17:06:12Z Xof: let's have a look at the logs 2015-08-06T17:08:36Z stassats: well, it is translated 2015-08-06T17:10:37Z Xof: yes 2015-08-06T17:11:02Z Xof: my hypothesis is basically wrong 2015-08-06T17:11:09Z Xof: let's start again, now that I have looked at the available evidence 2015-08-06T17:12:04Z stassats: can you tell what actually differs? 2015-08-06T17:12:14Z Xof: not without building locally 2015-08-06T17:12:23Z Xof: which is step $n$ of wait I'm on holiday 2015-08-06T17:12:40Z Xof: but judging by the character offsets it's probably a debug info structure 2015-08-06T17:13:29Z stassats: i don't see a reason why source locations would become different 2015-08-06T17:13:36Z stassats: we install our own backqoute rm 2015-08-06T17:13:51Z Xof: but there are some differences in behaviour in implementations' READ 2015-08-06T17:13:56Z stassats: and conses and atoms are conses and atoms everywhere 2015-08-06T17:13:57Z Xof: specifically around the preservation of whitespace 2015-08-06T17:14:15Z Xof: so stream positions at the time that read is called are not necessarily the same 2015-08-06T17:15:12Z stassats: but i didn't record offsets, but form numbers 2015-08-06T17:15:49Z stassats: which happened before for debug locations 2015-08-06T17:18:04Z Xof: ok, I will build 2015-08-06T17:33:56Z Xof: ew 2015-08-06T17:34:58Z Xof: current hypothesis 2015-08-06T17:35:44Z Xof: problems related to #.(loop ... collect `(defun ...) finally (return `(progn ,@forms))) 2015-08-06T17:36:27Z Xof: which actually hurts my brain a bit :( 2015-08-06T17:37:05Z Xof: but there is such a construct in src/code/numbers.lisp and in src/compiler/seqtran.lisp 2015-08-06T17:39:27Z Xof: hm, but not in src/compiler/x86/call.lisp, so maybe scratch that hypothesis :-( 2015-08-06T17:40:44Z Xof: (the problem in src/code/numbers is related to the definitions in that #.( ... ), near the symbol *-MOD32, so I'm not completely off-base) 2015-08-06T17:40:47Z Xof: must depart now 2015-08-06T17:53:55Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T17:53:55Z attila_lendvai quit (Changing host) 2015-08-06T17:53:55Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T17:57:27Z dougk_ joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T18:03:43Z ASau joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T18:07:32Z psilord joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T18:19:50Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-06T18:20:09Z slyrus joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T18:34:28Z jozip joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T18:37:37Z sdemarre joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T18:47:12Z stassats: and ccl has fewer differences 2015-08-06T19:03:19Z irsol quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-08-06T19:10:47Z irsol joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T19:40:51Z White_Flame quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-06T19:41:15Z White_Flame joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T19:45:02Z ASau quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-06T19:47:21Z White_Flame quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-08-06T19:47:51Z ASau joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T19:49:35Z ASau quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-06T19:50:47Z ASau joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T19:50:56Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-06T19:51:18Z White_Flame joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T20:09:22Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-06T20:11:26Z jozip quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-08-06T20:26:17Z Xof: I am too on holiday to debug this now :-( 2015-08-06T20:29:11Z stassats: functions did get form numbers previously, for code locations 2015-08-06T20:29:20Z stassats: but defparameter/defvar/defclass etc. didn't 2015-08-06T20:30:14Z Xof: the difference in x86/call.lisp is around the arg-count-error definition 2015-08-06T20:30:41Z stassats: vops are source located nowadays too 2015-08-06T20:31:13Z stassats: so, is the problem with macrolet? 2015-08-06T20:32:10Z Xof: I wonder whether it is something horrible like equality / eqlity of source location structures 2015-08-06T20:33:06Z stassats: hm 2015-08-06T20:34:00Z stassats: sb-c::make-definition-source-location coalesces source locations 2015-08-06T20:34:41Z Xof: every time I do this I forget how to read fasl files 2015-08-06T20:34:49Z stassats: though, that doesn't make sense now, does it? 2015-08-06T20:35:01Z stassats: previously everything within a PROGN got the same location 2015-08-06T20:35:04Z Xof: every time I do this I think "this is the last time I do this, so it doesn't make sense to write a tool to parse fasl files" 2015-08-06T20:35:10Z stassats: and that's the only way for it to be colaesced 2015-08-06T20:35:16Z stassats: but now it's all different 2015-08-06T20:35:17Z Xof: every time I do this I am wrong :-/ 2015-08-06T20:35:57Z eudoxia quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-08-06T20:36:39Z sdemarre quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-06T20:36:58Z stassats: i can't think of a way to coalesce source locations now, maybe if only LOAD is involved? 2015-08-06T20:37:13Z stassats: LOAD doesn't get form numbers (it probably should) 2015-08-06T20:38:21Z stassats: hmm 2015-08-06T20:38:44Z stassats: loading (progn (defun foo () (defvar *y* 10))), *y* gets located but FOO goes to PROGN 2015-08-06T20:42:58Z Xof: hmp 2015-08-06T20:43:04Z Xof: the call.lisp difference is weird 2015-08-06T20:43:30Z Xof: the sbcl version has a non-trivial object where the clisp version has NIL 2015-08-06T20:47:26Z stassats: probably because LOAD uses eval 2015-08-06T20:48:04Z stassats: ok, at least that part is clear 2015-08-06T20:51:28Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2015-08-06T20:56:33Z nikki93 quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-08-06T20:58:59Z dougk_: Xof: what's wrong with enabling show-fops-p ? That's the tool right there. 2015-08-06T21:04:38Z Xof: I'd really like something that statically displays the things in a fasl file without needing to get a lisp image in a sufficiently weird state to be able to load it 2015-08-06T21:05:53Z Xof: you are probably right that I can make show-fops-p tell me what's going on, with enough kicking at the build script 2015-08-06T21:05:55Z dougk_: I could hack that together really easily. The architecture of define-fop is such that all the metadata are available now, now longer buried in the body as (pop-arg) (pop-arg) ... 2015-08-06T21:06:15Z Xof: bonus points if it's a lovely emacs mode like hexl-mode ;-) 2015-08-06T21:06:18Z Xof: but yes 2015-08-06T21:06:37Z Xof: I am lazy and on holiday and I want the answer to magically pop into my wine-soaked brain 2015-08-06T21:06:40Z Xof: probably not going to happen 2015-08-06T21:07:12Z Xof: I'm trying to imagine a world in which the DFO of these subforms differs depending on the host lisp implementation 2015-08-06T21:09:26Z Xof: ,@(sort (forms) #'string< :key #'cadr)) ; but clearly I had *already* thought of that 2015-08-06T21:11:53Z Xof: the numbers.lisp difference is a difference between a 35 and a 34 2015-08-06T21:12:54Z stassats: SB-INT:LOAD-AS-SOURCE looks like it really wants to be in sb-c 2015-08-06T21:16:51Z dougk_: sadly yes. maybe source-path stuff wants to be in sb-int? 2015-08-06T21:21:39Z Xof: ok, currently 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2015-08-07T18:24:41Z stassats: but just being nice? 2015-08-07T18:25:12Z stassats: i can't figure wither i can pass additional direct-slot initargs to ensure-class 2015-08-07T18:25:21Z stassats: but i can solved it differently 2015-08-07T18:36:18Z ASau quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-07T18:36:46Z ASau joined #sbcl 2015-08-07T18:37:11Z stassats: ok, got locations for slot accessors 2015-08-07T18:38:20Z stassats: but if i extend the slot definitions i would be able to locate slots without accessor, but that's only accessible from the inspector 2015-08-07T18:40:25Z stassats: i can still extend it without passing any additional initargs through ensure-class 2015-08-07T18:45:44Z stassats: we already extended arguments for ensure-class itself, so i'll stop worrying, but will make it a non-keyword keyword 2015-08-07T18:46:10Z stassats: did i mention how cool it is for M-. bar to go directly to (bar :initarg :bar :initform nil :accessor bar)? 2015-08-07T18:59:11Z nikki93 quit 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2015-08-08T17:38:21Z stassats`: minion: advice on indirection? 2015-08-08T17:38:21Z minion: You can't expect automated advice for everything. 2015-08-08T17:38:46Z scymtym: stassats`: is construction of source locations a separate pass or is it done during ir1 conversion? 2015-08-08T17:39:17Z stassats`: scymtym: a separate pass 2015-08-08T17:39:24Z stassats`: scymtym: sb-c::sub-find-source-paths 2015-08-08T17:39:34Z nyef: Any post-READ tracking of source locations would have trouble with EQ objects, wouldn't it? 2015-08-08T17:39:34Z stassats`: or sb-c::find-source-paths 2015-08-08T17:39:47Z scymtym: thanks, i will have a look at the source later 2015-08-08T17:39:48Z nyef: Hrm... Or not, nevermind. 2015-08-08T17:40:09Z scymtym: maybe the generic form-walking infrastructure i'm working on could help 2015-08-08T17:40:34Z scymtym: with b) that is, not a) 2015-08-08T17:40:40Z stassats`: so, a level of indirection is the obvious solution, but how many things have to be modified and how will it impact performance? 2015-08-08T17:41:25Z stassats`: scymtym: the problem with B is that it assigns depth first oredered numbers to all forms 2015-08-08T17:41:37Z stassats`: it doesn't know which forms are actually evaluated or not 2015-08-08T17:42:01Z scymtym: that's the core responsibility of the walking stuff i'm working on 2015-08-08T17:42:07Z stassats`: (defun x () (let ((quote (error "10"))))) ERROR doesn't get a location 2015-08-08T17:42:13Z scymtym: but it would be a performance hit for sure 2015-08-08T17:43:59Z scymtym has to go afk for a bit 2015-08-08T17:44:29Z stassats`: macros, #1 and #. complicate things 2015-08-08T17:44:56Z stassats`: context reporting is lacking too 2015-08-08T17:45:21Z stassats`: i made (unused 10) to be highlighted in (let ((unused 10))), not LET 2015-08-08T17:45:28Z stassats`: but the reporting got worse 2015-08-08T17:45:49Z stassats`: it was ; in: DEFUN X ; (LET ((UNUSED 10)) ; ), now it's just ; in: DEFUN X ; (UNUSED 10) ; ) 2015-08-08T17:46:15Z stassats`: (let (unused)) doesn't work at all 2015-08-08T17:46:30Z nyef: ... That reminds me, actually. I ran into something weird recently. I had *error-output* and *standard-output* redirected, and got bumped to the debugger. No description of the condition anywhere. Firing up the inspector from there puts it on the redirected *standard-output*, not the normal terminal. Figuring out what was going on was very confusing for a bit. 2015-08-08T17:47:00Z nyef: This was with a somewhat old SBCL, though, so I don't know if it would still happen. 2015-08-08T17:47:41Z stassats`: but we already have indirection, IR1, maybe source locations can be expressed in IR1 terms? 2015-08-08T17:48:04Z stassats`: or something can be attached to IR1 2015-08-08T17:48:20Z stassats`: but it mangles things too much 2015-08-08T17:49:33Z stassats`: hm, maybe i should just add an indirection level, fix up everything that fails and see how well it works 2015-08-08T17:49:46Z stassats`: because i'm out of ideas otherwise 2015-08-08T17:50:47Z stassats`: something like (defstruct thing thing parent) 2015-08-08T17:52:22Z stassats`: parent is not necessary, but the space is wasted by alignment anyway 2015-08-08T17:52:23Z fikusz quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-08T17:53:10Z fikusz joined #sbcl 2015-08-08T17:53:22Z stassats`: source tracking already has some overhead, so this may actually degrade performance not by much 2015-08-08T17:54:37Z stassats`: this could also be optional 2015-08-08T18:06:23Z stassats`: hm, it wouldn't be actually that bad: wrap things, ir1-translators unwrap things but save the wrapper inside IR1 2015-08-08T18:06:34Z stassats`: only ir1-translator have to be modified 2015-08-08T18:06:36Z stassats`: s 2015-08-08T18:12:22Z stassats`: this may actually speed things up 2015-08-08T20:12:48Z eudoxia joined #sbcl 2015-08-08T20:16:43Z eudoxia quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-08T20:23:08Z stassats`: hm, i forgot about macros, macros can't work on wrapped objects... 2015-08-08T20:24:18Z stassats`: and that's the crux of the problem 2015-08-08T21:27:46Z carvite quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-08-08T21:28:17Z carvite joined #sbcl 2015-08-08T21:38:04Z nyef quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08T21:59:38Z selat quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-08T22:23:02Z ASau quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-08-08T23:37:10Z nyef joined #sbcl 2015-08-08T23:44:29Z stassats` quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-08-09T02:09:16Z LiamH quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-08-09T04:06:38Z oleo_ joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T04:09:10Z oleo quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-09T04:14:12Z nyef quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-08-09T04:55:34Z psy_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-09T05:18:01Z Quadrescence joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T05:18:20Z selat joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T05:30:48Z psy_ joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T06:14:30Z chris2 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-09T06:54:18Z chris2 joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T07:25:18Z Quadrescence quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2015-08-09T08:52:19Z stassats` joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T09:21:34Z Quadrescence joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T10:02:33Z jlarocco quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-09T10:03:00Z jlarocco joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T10:41:43Z nyef joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T11:04:54Z Quadrescence quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2015-08-09T11:18:20Z scymtym quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-09T11:22:44Z scymtym joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T11:23:11Z oleo_ quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-08-09T12:11:36Z oleo joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T12:40:47Z eudoxia joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T13:56:52Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T14:01:22Z sdemarre joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T14:44:46Z sdemarre quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-09T14:48:54Z attila_lendvai quit (Disconnected by services) 2015-08-09T14:48:54Z attila_lendvai1 joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T14:48:54Z attila_lendvai1 quit (Changing host) 2015-08-09T14:48:54Z attila_lendvai1 joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T14:55:45Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T14:59:42Z eudoxia quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-08-09T15:01:43Z sdemarre joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T15:24:30Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-09T15:44:12Z attila_lendvai1 quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-08-09T15:59:03Z stassats`: looks like i solved the macrolet/symbol-macrolet surrounding inlined functions problem 2015-08-09T15:59:10Z stassats`: now to test and see the fallout 2015-08-09T15:59:24Z stassats`: had to add a PARENT slot to LEXENV for this 2015-08-09T16:02:36Z stassats`: lp 309123 2015-08-09T16:02:36Z specbot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/309123 2015-08-09T16:02:38Z stassats`: that's the one 2015-08-09T16:04:09Z nyef: stassats`: Congratulations. 2015-08-09T16:04:56Z stassats`: no real reward actually, nobody probably will notice it working 2015-08-09T16:09:36Z stassats`: no tests failed, surprisingly 2015-08-09T16:16:58Z stassats`: lexenv-parent may be useful for something else too 2015-08-09T16:17:16Z gingerale joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T16:18:28Z stassats`: ok, now i don't have any bugs lined up to fix 2015-08-09T16:20:18Z stassats`: lp 1106691 2015-08-09T16:20:19Z specbot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1106691 2015-08-09T16:20:21Z stassats`: looks easy enough 2015-08-09T16:22:57Z nyef: Umm... Hrm. A style-warning at worst? 2015-08-09T16:23:12Z stassats`: yes, see the comment 2015-08-09T16:25:28Z nyef: As in, I'm not at all convinced that any kind of notice is appropriate. 2015-08-09T16:27:45Z stassats`: notinline doesn't mean that the user wants to divorce from getting helpful warnings 2015-08-09T16:28:08Z stassats`: we already signal warnings when things are not inlined 2015-08-09T16:28:51Z nyef: Okay then. 2015-08-09T16:29:59Z stassats`: i can't see a legitimate situation when you would want a mismatched function 2015-08-09T16:31:33Z nyef: If it's a bootstrapping version intended to be redefined later. 2015-08-09T16:32:06Z stassats`: no reason not to make it (&rest args) 2015-08-09T16:37:07Z nyef: If they want the runtime errors from mis-use of the bootstrapping version? 2015-08-09T16:38:06Z stassats`: of course it would be (lambda (&rest args) (error "Redefine me, you git")) 2015-08-09T16:48:41Z stassats`: but fixing this isn't as easy as i expected 2015-08-09T16:49:06Z stassats`: notinlined functions do not carry a type and the type is used for argument checking 2015-08-09T16:54:36Z hlavaty quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-09T16:58:30Z stassats`: so, it's that way because of a technical limitation and not a provision 2015-08-09T17:44:36Z DeadTrickster quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-08-09T17:44:50Z DeadTrickster joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T17:56:01Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T19:01:07Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-09T19:52:45Z eudoxia joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T20:12:36Z sdemarre quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-09T20:14:28Z eudoxia quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-08-09T20:49:29Z Quadrescence joined #sbcl 2015-08-09T22:19:49Z Quadrescence quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-08-09T22:39:37Z gingerale quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-09T23:24:40Z stassats` quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-08-09T23:36:04Z edgar-rft quit (Quit: edgar-rft) 2015-08-10T00:13:00Z oleo_ joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T00:15:51Z oleo quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-08-10T00:44:21Z abbe quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10T00:47:00Z abbe joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T03:12:56Z Quadresce` joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T03:13:11Z Quadresce` quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-10T03:54:53Z karswell quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-10T03:55:24Z karswell joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T04:20:34Z nyef quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10T05:03:17Z psy_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-08-10T05:04:59Z psy_ joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T05:05:40Z psy_ quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2015-08-10T05:06:04Z psy_ joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T05:12:58Z sdemarre joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T05:29:10Z sdemarre quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10T05:41:15Z Quadrescence joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T05:44:22Z oleo_ quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-08-10T06:24:38Z gingerale joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T07:01:57Z edgar-rft joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T08:14:07Z karswell quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-10T08:14:23Z karswell joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T08:49:08Z |3b| quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-10T08:49:21Z |3b|` joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T08:54:43Z |3b|` is now known as |3b| 2015-08-10T08:57:55Z stassats joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T09:00:27Z heddwch quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-10T09:01:23Z heddwch joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T09:08:29Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-08-10T09:52:19Z scymtym joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T10:06:15Z karswell quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-10T10:06:31Z karswell joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T11:16:48Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T11:18:25Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T11:18:27Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10T11:18:45Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T11:37:58Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10T11:38:19Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T11:54:57Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10T12:05:24Z scymtym__ joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T12:09:27Z scymtym_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10T12:41:48Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-08-10T13:27:12Z eudoxia joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T14:43:26Z chu quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-10T14:44:28Z chu joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T14:48:15Z cmack joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T14:50:29Z karswell quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-08-10T15:27:02Z nyef joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T15:34:47Z oleo joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T15:35:51Z Xach joined #sbcl 2015-08-10T15:36:24Z Xach: Hello, friends. Can anyone here present update an SBCL.org DNS record for me? 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Even if it is not in master, it looks good for code-walking CL. What is the mechanism for composition if not generic functions? 2015-08-12T11:34:46Z scymtym joined #sbcl 2015-08-12T12:22:55Z scymtym__: PuercoPop: there are multiple parts. the "core" of the walker consults a list of special operators to determine syntax, which sub-forms are evaluated, etc. 2015-08-12T12:23:59Z scymtym__: on top of that is the composition mechanism which wraps to-be-processed sub-forms in special markers and calls the associated hooks when encountering markers (this part was invented by pkhuong) 2015-08-12T12:28:25Z scymtym__: blockers for getting this into master include (but probably are not limited to) 1) completing the implementation (tests are already more complete than what current ir1 conversion has, i think) 2) almost certain performance regression 3) necessary adaptations of source location tracking 2015-08-12T12:29:16Z stassats: source locations need to be changed anyway 2015-08-12T12:29:43Z stassats: we can actually track some symbols, by tracking the cons but requesting its CAR 2015-08-12T12:30:08Z stassats: this would entail changes to slime as well 2015-08-12T12:31:14Z scymtym__: i experimented with source location tracking via walk-forms a little but ran out of time so i cannot yet say whether it will help with that 2015-08-12T12:32:00Z stassats: the problem is keeping track where things end up after macroexpansion 2015-08-12T12:32:16Z scymtym__: yes, there is a chance with walk-forms, i think 2015-08-12T12:32:39Z stassats: is there? 2015-08-12T12:32:44Z scymtym__: i did syntax highlighting as another experiment and could deal with macros with at least some success 2015-08-12T12:34:40Z scymtym__: iirc, i tried finding macro arguments in the expansion. in the expansion, it can then be determined what is evaluated. 2015-08-12T12:35:41Z scymtym__: that approach has severe limitations, of course 2015-08-12T12:35:41Z stassats: conses can be found alright, but not symbols 2015-08-12T12:35:45Z scymtym__: yes 2015-08-12T12:37:24Z stassats: also sharing conses, also #1# 2015-08-12T12:38:19Z scymtym__: the current approach associates paths to forms based on EQuality, right? 2015-08-12T12:38:25Z stassats: i wild solution: wrap everything around, run macros with an interpreter which understand and keeps the wrapping 2015-08-12T12:38:31Z stassats: right 2015-08-12T12:38:37Z stassats: s/i wild/a wild/ 2015-08-12T12:39:02Z scymtym__: i think walk-forms could support that 2015-08-12T12:39:18Z scymtym__: i was thinking about keeping a current path while walking 2015-08-12T12:39:27Z scymtym__: so that EQual forms could get different paths 2015-08-12T12:40:00Z scymtym__: or is it required to associated paths to the actual forms? 2015-08-12T12:40:05Z stassats: but the code that requests locations doesn't have access them via paths 2015-08-12T12:40:24Z scymtym__: i see, which code is that? 2015-08-12T12:41:01Z stassats: just about any? via SB-C::GET-SOURCE-PATH 2015-08-12T12:41:31Z scymtym__ should have studied the subject matter a bit more before engaging in this conversion 2015-08-12T12:42:48Z scymtym__: but are any callers of GET-SOURCE-PATH outside of ir1 conversion? 2015-08-12T12:43:33Z pkhuong: stassats: if we find a way to make the wrapping (mostly) transparent, we get hygiene :| 2015-08-12T12:46:08Z stassats: scymtym__: a few 2015-08-12T12:47:33Z scymtym__: stassats: ok, probably not an option then 2015-08-12T12:52:49Z stassats: but it doesn't have to be perfect, properly handling shared conses is not so important 2015-08-12T12:53:02Z stassats: interned objects can be located via their parent structure 2015-08-12T12:53:40Z stassats: i think i can do that right now, just need to figure the format of reporting it for slime to understand 2015-08-12T12:54:00Z stassats: highlighting x in (let (x)) probably doesn't require changes 2015-08-12T12:54:15Z stassats: but finding x in (defclass () (x)) does 2015-08-12T12:56:58Z igajsin quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-08-12T12:57:25Z stassats: (defun foo () (print x) (print x)) gets reported reported only once 2015-08-12T12:58:30Z stassats: so, there are two facets, M-. and highlighting erroneous forms 2015-08-12T12:58:37Z stassats: the former has to be more compact 2015-08-12T13:22:02Z scymtym: FYI, this is how far i got last time: http://paste.lisp.org/display/153548. doesn't really solve the mentioned problems, but maybe there is something useful in there. 2015-08-12T13:29:35Z jozip joined #sbcl 2015-08-12T13:33:36Z foonly_ joined #sbcl 2015-08-12T13:36:10Z foonly_ quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-12T13:42:48Z hlavaty joined #sbcl 2015-08-12T13:51:50Z igajsin joined #sbcl 2015-08-12T13:55:01Z eudoxia joined #sbcl 2015-08-12T14:02:25Z jackdaniel: does sbcl have function equivalent like (sb-mop:generic-function-dependents func) ; ? 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Specifically, calls to all functions in CL-RABBIT 2015-08-13T03:53:58Z loke: When I dump the application using SAVE-LISP-AND-DIE, I get an error when calling a CFFI function from cl-rabbit: 2015-08-13T03:54:09Z loke: "The variable CL-RABBIT::AMQP-CHANNEL-CLOSE-METHOD is unbound." 2015-08-13T03:54:25Z loke: The weird thing is that _other_ cffi functions in cl-rabbit works fine 2015-08-13T03:54:26Z |3b|: library probably needs reinitialized after you load the image 2015-08-13T03:54:37Z loke: How do I do that? 2015-08-13T03:55:14Z |3b|: no idea, look at the lib and see what it does when loaded that might need redone when image is loaded 2015-08-13T03:57:42Z |3b|: is that symbol supposed to have ++ on it? 2015-08-13T04:00:02Z loke: Yrs it is supposed to have plusses on it 2015-08-13T04:00:22Z loke: I have this in grovel.lisp: 2015-08-13T04:00:22Z loke: (constant (+amqp-channel-close-method+ "AMQP_CHANNEL_CLOSE_METHOD")) 2015-08-13T04:00:59Z |3b|: are the other things in that file defined in the loaded image? 2015-08-13T04:01:39Z loke: I think so. 2015-08-13T04:02:09Z loke: It's weird that the error is without plusses. I don't think there should ever be a reference to that 2015-08-13T04:02:44Z |3b|: well, that's one problem you should probably look into 2015-08-13T04:02:53Z loke: Yes. Searching all files now :-) 2015-08-13T04:03:09Z |3b|: other is that presumably you get that in the first place due to trying to use a connection you opened before you saved the image 2015-08-13T04:03:33Z loke: hmm... did a search and grep shows me: 2015-08-13T04:03:33Z loke: ./vendor/cl-rabbit-async/src/cl-rabbit-async.lisp: (cond ((eql id cl-rabbit::amqp-channel-close-method) 2015-08-13T04:04:12Z loke: Clearly a bug. Now I need to figure out why on earth I never hit that one when running without dumping. 2015-08-13T04:04:34Z |3b|: did you ever test with a broken connection without dumping? 2015-08-13T04:06:27Z loke: Hmm... You're probably right 2015-08-13T04:06:47Z loke: I also realised that I had already fixed that one, but I never committed it so I never saw it on the dev system 2015-08-13T04:07:00Z loke: So it's a combination of those I think 2015-08-13T04:16:46Z loke: Thanks. 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I'm trying to build HEAD with 1.2.13.91-671dd19, which built successfully. 2015-08-13T20:00:24Z ASau quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-13T20:06:57Z stassats: reb`: is it about touch-object being undefined? 2015-08-13T20:07:46Z stassats: this is not limited to arm, this is all gengc being broken 2015-08-13T20:07:51Z stassats: gengc/cheneygc 2015-08-13T20:11:26Z stassats: reb`: redirect it to the appropriate person_ 2015-08-13T20:11:34Z stassats: (that being dougk_ ) 2015-08-13T20:11:51Z ASau joined #sbcl 2015-08-13T20:12:31Z dougk_: oh dear, my change to handler-bind should have been featurized on gencgc 2015-08-13T20:12:56Z stassats: dougk_: why aren't you using with-pinned-objects? 2015-08-13T20:13:06Z dougk_: it's not pinning at all. 2015-08-13T20:13:27Z dougk_: it's a constant object that it needs to reference - like ((warning . #'blah) (error . #'blah2)) 2015-08-13T20:13:48Z dougk_: so, how do you know that "#'blah" is actually defined? It turns out that the compiler elides (progn #'blah) 2015-08-13T20:14:02Z dougk_: this is, in my opinion, a bug, because in safe code it should have to assert fboundp 2015-08-13T20:14:10Z stassats: there's actually no difference between gengc and gencgc in features 2015-08-13T20:14:31Z dougk_: i used touch-object as a dirty hack that i discovered makes it not elide (progn #'blah) 2015-08-13T20:14:49Z stassats: i'm not following yet 2015-08-13T20:15:07Z dougk_: ok, the thing handler-bind wants to avoid actually consing up the chain of handlers upon entry to the binding scope. 2015-08-13T20:15:46Z dougk_: Imagine that the handlers are as depicted - two symbols and two global functions. So handler-clusters is (dx-flet ((*handler-clusters* (cons *handler-clusters*))) ...) 2015-08-13T20:16:11Z dougk_: The problem is: the constant was made with L-T-V, so how do you enforce FBOUNDP at runtime ? 2015-08-13T20:16:13Z stassats: but you can't go from a fdefinition to a function at compile time 2015-08-13T20:16:23Z dougk_: correct, it doesn't. 2015-08-13T20:17:05Z dougk_: it defers the decision as to whether the function is bound until runtime, but to do that you want to (eval #'blah) "for effect". 2015-08-13T20:17:08Z dougk_: Which gets elided. 2015-08-13T20:17:58Z stassats: what does eval do when it encounters a fdefn? 2015-08-13T20:18:26Z stassats: just do that bit instead? 2015-08-13T20:19:23Z dougk_: not sure. i'm not actually referring to what EVAL does, i just want the effect, which I achieved by forcing the compiler to think that #'F is used for its value. 2015-08-13T20:19:46Z dougk_: (i mean, if you're asking what the interpreted eval does, it doesn't really matter for this discussion) 2015-08-13T20:20:12Z stassats: ok, it's still not completely clear to me what's being done 2015-08-13T20:20:24Z stassats: how can you avoid consing a function each time? 2015-08-13T20:20:26Z dougk_: ok, we're trying to avoid creating, say, 5 conses when 1 will suffice. 2015-08-13T20:21:05Z dougk_: what it used to do was (cons *handler-clusters* (list (cons 'a-condition-name #'A-FUN) (cons 'another-condition #'ANOTHER-FUN)) ...) 2015-08-13T20:21:35Z dougk_: what i've done is only pass the # for each named fun, which is a constant, thus the whole tree is constant except for 1 cons. 2015-08-13T20:22:00Z stassats: oh, you've changed the code that walks *handler-clusters* to work on fdefns? 2015-08-13T20:22:02Z dougk_: now on entry to the binding scope, i just want to force evaluation of (progn #'handler1 #'handler2 nil) with full safety 2015-08-13T20:22:06Z dougk_: yes 2015-08-13T20:22:07Z stassats: i see now 2015-08-13T20:22:40Z stassats: but you just need to check that the functions are defined at runtime 2015-08-13T20:23:19Z dougk_: yes, and I could do (unless (fboundp 'thing) ...) but I discovered the trick of touch-object. 2015-08-13T20:24:02Z dougk_: as things are it's a huge improvement in speed, and anything suboptimal for the fboundp tests would basically take away some if not all of that improvement 2015-08-13T20:24:57Z stassats: so, you need to use the safe-fdefn-fun vop 2015-08-13T20:25:06Z stassats: maybe add a translation for it? 2015-08-13T20:25:14Z dougk_: yah, probably. sgtm. 2015-08-13T20:25:32Z stassats: though a dedicated vop could be even better, but that'll require changing all backends 2015-08-13T20:25:34Z dougk_: it'll want to be wrapped in an inline function so that the interpreter can really call that 2015-08-13T20:25:40Z dougk_: yes, you see the problem! 2015-08-13T20:25:49Z dougk_: i can't macroexpand into something that *only* works in the compiler 2015-08-13T20:25:56Z dougk_: which is why i didn't do (%primitive safe-fdefn-fun) 2015-08-13T20:27:10Z stassats: just adding :translate to all variants of safe-fdefn-fun should be "easy" 2015-08-13T20:27:35Z dougk_: true 2015-08-13T20:27:51Z angavrilov quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-13T20:27:55Z stassats: as opposed to a special vop, though, it seems like it's already what is needed 2015-08-13T20:28:28Z stassats: well, cisc could be made better 2015-08-13T20:28:51Z stassats: MOV RDX, [RAX+1] CMP DL, 23 => CMP BYTE PTR [RAX+1], 23 2015-08-13T20:29:15Z stassats: but for risc, you can't really improve on it 2015-08-13T20:29:48Z stassats: and i wanted for some time for VOPs to distingiush when the result is used or not, and to generate different code 2015-08-13T20:31:26Z pkhuong: with a special /dev/null storage class? 2015-08-13T20:31:56Z stassats: i think i hacked a vop sometime ago by checking the writers of the TN, but that's too crude 2015-08-13T20:32:02Z stassats: readers, rather 2015-08-13T20:33:44Z stassats: pkhuong: not sure about a dedicated storage class, not really wanting to change all the vops 2015-08-13T20:34:34Z pkhuong: stassats: you wouldn't have to, I don't think. 2015-08-13T20:34:54Z pkhuong: the SC wouldn't get selected if there's no applicable VOP 2015-08-13T20:36:07Z pkhuong: or there would be a bunch of empty move vops. 2015-08-13T20:37:03Z nikki93_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-13T20:38:05Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2015-08-13T20:38:26Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-13T20:40:31Z stassats: ok, maybe 2015-08-13T20:49:53Z stassats: but this only matters in a limited number of vops 2015-08-13T20:58:31Z gingerale quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-08-13T21:01:37Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-13T21:10:38Z sdemarre quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-08-13T21:26:54Z reb`: stassats: I don't think it's touch-object. All I see is: COLD-INIT... (PACKAGE = "COMMON-LISP") ("Length(TLFs)= " 12682) Argh! corrupted error depth, halting 2015-08-13T21:27:24Z reb`: also: Unrecognized trap instruction ef000000 in sigtrap_handler() 2015-08-13T21:28:12Z reb`: ... but maybe that's the touch-object symptom. 2015-08-13T21:35:27Z dougk_: stassats: do you know a way to get a random fdefn into a code component header other than (load-time-value(find-fdefn ))? This is less than ideal because it means that each use of a handler-bind to the same handler in one code component will insert the fdefn separately. 2015-08-13T21:43:55Z stassats: dougk_: aren't constants coalesced? 2015-08-13T21:44:03Z dougk_: not as the result of L-T-V. 2015-08-13T21:44:16Z stassats: even with read-only? 2015-08-13T21:44:34Z stassats: even 2015-08-13T21:44:40Z dougk_: it has to eval the form at load-time 2015-08-13T21:44:51Z dougk_: so there's nothing to coalesce, you can't coalesce forms by EQUALness 2015-08-13T21:45:14Z dougk_: you might be thinking of a make-load-form used twice on the same object 2015-08-13T21:45:31Z dougk_: it's not a big deal, just not pretty the way it will work. 2015-08-13T21:47:51Z stassats: well, we can have fdefns without ltv 2015-08-13T21:48:06Z dougk_: yes but only by IR magic. 2015-08-13T21:48:33Z dougk_: think about how the xc works - it never creates an fdefn object, it just has the magic to make one spring into life in the code object 2015-08-13T21:48:50Z dougk_: so it's not the same mental model as how a make-load-form works or how a quoted constant dumping works 2015-08-13T21:50:31Z stassats: "If two lists (load-time-value form) that are the same under equal but are not identical are evaluated or compiled, their values always come from distinct evaluations of form. Their values may not be coalesced unless read-only-p is t." 2015-08-13T21:50:31Z dougk_: 'dump' and 'generic-core' each recognize the symbol :fdefinition as being an instruction to dump an fdefinition 2015-08-13T21:50:51Z dougk_: ok, so we have permission, but we don't. 2015-08-13T21:50:55Z stassats: so we can actually do that, not that it would be particularly nice 2015-08-13T21:51:00Z stassats: i was bitten by that on clisp 2015-08-13T21:51:19Z stassats: by expanding to LTV from a macro 2015-08-13T21:52:09Z dougk_: sorry, generic/target-core.lisp, not generic-core. 2015-08-13T21:52:21Z stassats: or was i bitten by the previous paragraph 2015-08-13T21:52:22Z dougk_: point being, fdefinitions have a magical IR 2015-08-13T21:53:04Z dougk_: anyway, that's a trivial point. i'm having it not work at all right now, not sure what I did wrong. 2015-08-13T21:54:15Z dougk_: ooh, we always used %primitive safe-fdefn-fun which doesn't care about the policy, but having it go through :translate means we care now. I'll see if that leads to anything. 2015-08-13T21:55:01Z dougk_: oh, sure, it had no (:policy) at all. 2015-08-13T21:55:18Z stassats: why don't we default to :fast-safe? 2015-08-13T21:55:40Z dougk_: i thought we default to not that. 2015-08-13T21:58:12Z stassats: (loop with policies for vop being the hash-value of sb-c::*backend-parsed-vops* do (incf (getf policies (vop-parse-ltn-policy vop) 0)) finally (return policies)) => (:SAFE 25 :FAST-SAFE 725 :FAST 204) 2015-08-13T22:02:22Z igajsin_m quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-13T22:17:22Z dougk_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-13T22:18:05Z igajsin quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-08-13T22:21:48Z igajsin joined #sbcl 2015-08-13T23:12:42Z Ralt quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 2015-08-13T23:17:07Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-08-13T23:22:06Z karswell quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-13T23:22:18Z karswell joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T00:17:19Z Ettore quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-08-14T00:18:34Z Quadrescence quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-08-14T00:25:58Z Quadrescence joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T00:33:51Z stassats quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-08-14T01:19:19Z bendiken quit 2015-08-14T02:38:28Z jlarocco quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-14T03:32:52Z karswell` joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T03:34:05Z karswell quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-14T03:35:19Z Xof quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-14T04:24:35Z oleo_ joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T04:27:05Z oleo quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-08-14T04:42:14Z dustinm` quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-08-14T04:49:22Z dustinm` joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T05:00:00Z oleo_ quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-08-14T05:22:45Z ASau quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-08-14T05:54:01Z psy_ quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-08-14T06:33:10Z gingerale joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T07:10:08Z tmh_ joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T07:20:21Z igajsin_m joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T07:58:38Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T08:02:13Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T08:02:13Z attila_lendvai quit (Changing host) 2015-08-14T08:02:13Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T08:04:18Z nikki93 quit 2015-08-14T08:36:02Z edgar-rft quit (Quit: edgar-rft) 2015-08-14T08:58:24Z stassats joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T09:00:31Z heddwch quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-14T09:01:07Z heddwch joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T09:52:36Z angavrilov joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T10:09:21Z chu quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-14T10:11:16Z chu joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T10:20:06Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-14T10:24:02Z Ettore joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T10:46:47Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T11:24:16Z scymtym joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T11:32:49Z momo-reina joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T11:34:31Z momo-reina quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-14T11:35:23Z momo-reina joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T11:40:06Z momo-reina quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-14T11:42:11Z luis: Hmm. With SBCL 1.2.13 I'm getting a "Lisp error during constant folding: arithmetic error DIVISION-BY-ZERO signalled" in the SLIME test suite. 2015-08-14T11:42:24Z luis: is this a known issue? 2015-08-14T11:44:21Z momo-reina joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T11:45:39Z momo-reina quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-14T11:46:36Z momo-reina joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T11:50:48Z luis: Nevermind, not sure that's what's actually causing trouble. 2015-08-14T12:05:18Z Quadrescence quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2015-08-14T12:06:56Z luis: stassats: OK, IIUC, compiling (defun foo () #+#.'(:and) (/ 1 0)) stopped properly annotating the (/ 1 0) form somewhere between 1.2.6 and 1.2.13. Ring a bell? 2015-08-14T12:29:22Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-14T12:32:58Z stassats: it does, i noticed something wrong when reader conditionals are involved 2015-08-14T12:33:44Z oleo joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T12:33:45Z oleo quit (Changing host) 2015-08-14T12:33:46Z oleo joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T12:42:18Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T12:44:07Z stassats: the values of (SWANK/SOURCE-PATH-PARSER:SOURCE-PATH-STRING-POSITION '(0 3) "(defun foo () #+sbcl (a))") changed 2015-08-14T12:48:37Z luis: hmpf, can't seem to compile SBCL on my VPS for some reason. Do you have time to look at it or should I open an issue about it? 2015-08-14T12:48:43Z stassats: i have 2015-08-14T12:48:49Z luis: Cool, thanks. 2015-08-14T12:52:23Z stassats: i see approximately what happens 2015-08-14T12:54:51Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-08-14T12:55:26Z stassats: (with-input-from-string (str "+(and) a") (funcall (get-macro-character #\#) str #\#)) started returning A 2015-08-14T12:58:15Z eudoxia joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T12:58:42Z eudoxia quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-14T12:58:53Z eudoxia joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T13:00:20Z stassats: how the hell did that work before? 2015-08-14T13:04:13Z stassats: ok, i see how it worked before 2015-08-14T13:04:46Z stassats: sigh, this source-path-parser gives me a lot of grief 2015-08-14T13:10:25Z stassats: i need to ponder some time for a fix 2015-08-14T13:12:04Z isBEKaml joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T13:12:51Z isBEKaml left #sbcl 2015-08-14T13:14:08Z luis: In other news, any idea what's going wrong here trying compile 32-bit SBCL HEAD? 2015-08-14T13:14:10Z luis: http://paste.lisp.org/display/153674 2015-08-14T13:15:05Z stassats: you're not actually compiling a 32-bit sbcl 2015-08-14T13:15:32Z luis: how did I manage to do that? 2015-08-14T13:16:18Z stassats: beats me 2015-08-14T13:17:19Z stassats: luis: what is uname -m 2015-08-14T13:18:28Z luis: x86_64!? 2015-08-14T13:20:13Z karswell` quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-14T13:20:25Z luis: Seems I'm running a 32-bit userspace on a 64-bit kernel. 2015-08-14T13:22:37Z luis: OK, passing an explicit --arch=x86. Thanks stassats. :) 2015-08-14T13:52:32Z stassats: ha what 2015-08-14T13:52:39Z stassats: is destructuring-bind broken too? 2015-08-14T13:58:51Z dougk_ joined #sbcl 2015-08-14T13:59:28Z stassats: oh bloody goddamn hell, is it ignore-errors again? 2015-08-14T14:07:03Z stassats: luis: should be fixed now 2015-08-14T14:28:00Z momo-reina quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-14T14:28:50Z luis: stassats: indeed. 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2015-08-25T15:16:44Z stassats: i have nothing pending 2015-08-25T15:20:13Z stassats: and i should make a slime release, so that the changes to source locations can be exploited 2015-08-25T15:20:14Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2015-08-25T15:20:25Z stassats: just need to remember how 2015-08-25T15:20:46Z stassats: luis: or maybe you have a better grasp of making releases? 2015-08-25T15:21:30Z gingerale joined #sbcl 2015-08-25T15:22:40Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-25T15:25:51Z gingerale quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-08-25T15:27:07Z gingerale joined #sbcl 2015-08-25T15:47:47Z slyrus left #sbcl 2015-08-25T16:01:24Z Bicyclidine joined #sbcl 2015-08-25T16:01:55Z fikusz quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-25T16:01:59Z zacts joined #sbcl 2015-08-25T16:30:16Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2015-08-25T16:30:44Z rszeno joined #sbcl 2015-08-25T16:32:20Z psilord1 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-25T16:33:30Z psilord1 joined #sbcl 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Is that leak different from the one from about three weeks ago? 2015-08-26T07:07:47Z gargaml joined #sbcl 2015-08-26T07:10:00Z ASau quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-08-26T07:16:45Z chrnybo left #sbcl 2015-08-26T07:43:52Z Cymew joined #sbcl 2015-08-26T07:50:36Z scymtym__: Xof: if you're asking whether the leak is of the same kind, i don't know. i haven't looked at the output in detail (and lack your fasl-reading skills). if you're asking whether it is the same leak, i'm pretty sure it isn't: https://ci.cor-lab.org/job/sbcl-master-compare-outputs/ shows a successful build (i.e. no leak) on 2015-08-19, long after you fixed the previous one 2015-08-26T07:53:29Z Xof: I didn't fix the previous one 2015-08-26T07:53:34Z Xof: Hm 2015-08-26T07:53:46Z scymtym__: hm indeed 2015-08-26T07:53:49Z Xof: That's perhaps even more worrying :-) 2015-08-26T07:54:06Z Xof: OK, must take child to child-related activity. 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assembly question 2015-08-29T21:10:38Z milanj: how come when I dissasemble two functions that reference third one in both functions assembly third one is resolved with same distance from RIP 2015-08-29T21:10:51Z milanj: mov RAX, [RIP-107] for example 2015-08-29T21:11:23Z stassats: because that instruction happens to be at the same offset? 2015-08-29T21:11:40Z milanj: in both functions ? 2015-08-29T21:12:02Z stassats: well, evidently 2015-08-29T21:12:03Z milanj: should they be on different memory addresses ? 2015-08-29T21:12:34Z stassats: this is Relative to the Instruction Pointer 2015-08-29T21:14:10Z milanj: ok, I'm missing some basics here probably 2015-08-29T21:14:29Z stassats: then you should clarify your question more 2015-08-29T21:14:38Z milanj: how come when I call two different functions RIP can be the same ? 2015-08-29T21:15:37Z jsnell_: there's an indirection involved 2015-08-29T21:15:39Z jsnell_: it's not calling the function directly 2015-08-29T21:15:40Z stassats: the functions are different, their code resides at different locations, the instruction pointer is different 2015-08-29T21:15:54Z stassats: so, the address that RIP-107 resolves to is different 2015-08-29T21:15:55Z jsnell_: a pointer to the function is stored in the constant table of the function 2015-08-29T21:16:07Z milanj: yes, indirection explains it 2015-08-29T21:16:21Z nyef quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-08-29T21:16:42Z stassats: there is two levels of indirection in reality 2015-08-29T21:17:11Z prxq joined #sbcl 2015-08-29T21:19:05Z stassats: the garbage collector is moving things around, that's why using an absolute address is not a good idea 2015-08-29T21:19:23Z stassats: then functions can be redefined, another level of indirection 2015-08-29T21:19:44Z milanj: and how sbcl fix so table is on exactly same location 2015-08-29T21:19:53Z milanj: it's in some kind of header before function code ? 2015-08-29T21:19:57Z stassats: yes 2015-08-29T21:20:03Z stassats: compare (disassemble (lambda () 'list)) and (disassemble (lambda () #'list)) 2015-08-29T21:21:17Z stassats: now inspect them in the slime inspector 2015-08-29T21:21:45Z stassats: and go to the CODE part 2015-08-29T21:22:33Z Quadrescence joined #sbcl 2015-08-29T21:23:09Z stassats: #'list actually has no fdedn indirection here, since it's a standard function and can't be redefined 2015-08-29T21:23:37Z stassats: if you look at (disassemble (lambda () #'foo)) you'll see it 2015-08-29T21:24:11Z milanj: hm, and how come it's same assembly ? 2015-08-29T21:24:13Z milanj: for both 2015-08-29T21:24:31Z stassats: why should it be different? 2015-08-29T21:25:21Z milanj: so, in that header-table in case of #'list we are getting #'list location that can't change ? 2015-08-29T21:25:54Z stassats: it can change 2015-08-29T21:26:06Z stassats: the garbage collector can move it 2015-08-29T21:26:15Z milanj: but it's fixing it also 2015-08-29T21:26:24Z milanj: i guess 2015-08-29T21:26:54Z stassats: modifying the code header is much easier than patching immediates in the instruction stream 2015-08-29T21:27:08Z stassats: on cisc, because of variable lengths, on risc, limited encoding space 2015-08-29T21:27:10Z Bike quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-29T21:27:25Z stassats: but it has to be done on x86, no RIP addressing 2015-08-29T21:28:10Z stassats: so, if you look at x86 it'll be MOV EDX, [#x1101C81C] ; # 2015-08-29T21:28:16Z stassats: MOV EDX, [#x110AF81C] ; 'LIST 2015-08-29T21:28:18Z milanj: I wanted to look this issue on 32-bit sbcl 2015-08-29T21:28:24Z milanj: but don't have it around 2015-08-29T21:28:59Z stassats: variable lengthness can be mitigated by always using the most spacious encoding 2015-08-29T21:30:39Z stassats: if you look at the code object inspector on x86 sbcl you'll see the first constant for (lambda () #'list) to be #(50) 2015-08-29T21:30:45Z stassats: and only then # 2015-08-29T21:30:53Z milanj: yeah, RIP relative addressing really helps there 2015-08-29T21:31:02Z stassats: #(50) is the offset of the absolute address of #'list to be patched up by the GC 2015-08-29T21:31:40Z stassats: but it's not the address of #'list itself 2015-08-29T21:32:09Z stassats: it's the address of the constant table cell containing #'list 2015-08-29T21:32:47Z stassats: that gives me an idea, why not make it the address of #'list? 2015-08-29T21:33:23Z stassats: the offset vector would change from #(50) to #(50 #'list) 2015-08-29T21:33:30Z stassats: too bad i don't really care about x86 2015-08-29T21:33:31Z milanj: great info, thanks 2015-08-29T21:34:16Z milanj: I actually try figuring it from online docs and sources but no luck 2015-08-29T21:34:37Z stassats: RISCs maintain the current code object address in a register, and then use that for accessing constants 2015-08-29T21:34:46Z nyef joined #sbcl 2015-08-29T21:34:49Z milanj: actually, I tried to find some sbcl internal docs that I read couple of years ago but no luck 2015-08-29T21:35:04Z stassats: they went away 2015-08-29T21:35:07Z milanj: there was lot of stuff there 2015-08-29T21:35:09Z milanj: aha 2015-08-29T21:35:12Z stassats: not that they were any good 2015-08-29T21:35:37Z nyef: There were a few good bits in the sbcl-internals cliki. 2015-08-29T21:35:54Z stassats: that's the one no longer with us 2015-08-29T21:35:56Z nyef: But, yeah, on the whole it was a mess. 2015-08-29T21:36:09Z nyef: I know. Everything else, we pretty much still have, but not that one. 2015-08-29T21:36:09Z stassats: only http://www.sbcl.org/sbcl-internals/ left 2015-08-29T21:36:24Z milanj: http://ww.telent.net/sbcl-internals/ 2015-08-29T21:36:46Z milanj: this doesn't work 2015-08-29T21:36:52Z milanj: (even with another 'w') 2015-08-29T21:36:57Z |3b| quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-29T21:37:10Z nyef: milanj: Or http://sbcl-internals.cliki.net/ which is also dead. 2015-08-29T21:37:14Z stassats: it's the result of the whole cl.net debacle 2015-08-29T21:37:19Z stassats: and the move of cliki.net 2015-08-29T21:37:51Z nyef: Is the underlying data still hiding somewhere, even if the web server software is gone? 2015-08-29T21:38:17Z stassats: probably 2015-08-29T21:38:22Z |3b| joined #sbcl 2015-08-29T21:40:48Z nyef: Now, if we could just find said data... 2015-08-29T21:44:05Z stassats: milanj: and the level of indirection for functions is called FDEFINITION or FDEFN, it's on object containing the name of a function and the address of the current definition 2015-08-29T21:44:18Z stassats: that way you can redefine the function without updating all its callers 2015-08-29T21:45:17Z stassats: it also contains the address to the start of the function, so that you don't actually perform two indirections 2015-08-29T21:46:07Z stassats: if you call a function is not yet defined that address refers to a function which raises an error 2015-08-29T21:46:48Z stassats: how does that function (it's a single function, not a function for each undefined function) know which function is undefined? 2015-08-29T21:46:59Z stassats: the calling convention stores the function object in RAX 2015-08-29T21:47:15Z milanj: yes, I tried that with undefined function 2015-08-29T21:47:19Z stassats: which allows for closed over values to be accessed 2015-08-29T21:48:59Z stassats: so hard debugging/changing all this if you don't know all the subtle details 2015-08-29T21:49:29Z milanj: ok, so function constant table need to be updated with GC, right ? 2015-08-29T21:50:00Z stassats: yes, on non-x86 it's just treats it as if it were a vector 2015-08-29T21:50:11Z milanj: and also table with actual function locations 2015-08-29T21:50:27Z stassats: there is no such table 2015-08-29T21:52:13Z gabriel_laddel joined #sbcl 2015-08-29T21:53:03Z milanj: how second indirection works then ? 2015-08-29T21:53:29Z stassats: the gc walks the heap and sees "oh, that's a reference to an object i already moved" 2015-08-29T21:53:30Z milanj: if we redefine function we don't want to fix every calle ... 2015-08-29T21:53:43Z stassats: this is a generic operation 2015-08-29T21:54:29Z stassats: the same as if you just stuff a function object into a structure or a list 2015-08-29T21:54:46Z stassats: when you put a function into a list and redefine it, the redefinition won't take effect on that function in the list 2015-08-29T21:55:22Z milanj: aha, got it, I re-read your FDEFN line 2015-08-29T21:55:43Z stassats: the only special thing it does for FDEFN is changing the code-start address 2015-08-29T21:57:03Z stassats: the FUNCTION object contains the address of the start too, but instead of going through FDEFN->FUNCTION->start it does FDEFN->start 2015-08-29T21:59:58Z milanj: so, much of this things are defined in VOP's ? 2015-08-29T22:00:43Z nyef: VOPs, ASSEMBLY-ROUTINEs, some bits in the runtime, and the occasional outright function. 2015-08-29T22:04:06Z milanj: ok, thanks for all the info and sorry for my lame compiler tech knowledge 2015-08-29T22:04:20Z stassats: this is rather runtime tech 2015-08-29T22:04:21Z milanj: this is just more interesting than my daily job 2015-08-29T22:04:39Z stassats: or backend tech 2015-08-29T22:16:48Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-29T22:21:30Z stassats: i found ./clo-backup/2014-09-19/tiger/home/cliki/var/www/sbcl-internals on cl.net 2015-08-29T22:22:39Z stassats: i don't have permissions, but that's not a problem 2015-08-29T22:23:30Z stassats: well, i have no idea what to do with the files, though 2015-08-29T22:29:42Z nyef quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-08-29T22:31:59Z nyef joined #sbcl 2015-08-29T22:34:59Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2015-08-29T22:38:59Z nyef quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-29T22:40:57Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-29T22:40:58Z milanj: can we have it online somewhere as package so it can be downloaded ? 2015-08-29T22:41:05Z milanj: if it's doable 2015-08-29T22:41:44Z stassats: i don't think i'm interested in doing that 2015-08-29T22:42:02Z stassats: i'm too lazy to remember where to write for cl.net tech support 2015-08-29T22:55:50Z nyef joined #sbcl 2015-08-29T22:57:09Z nyef: Bloody DSL. 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like to let the user choose between the current behavior and skipping the queued calls 2015-08-30T22:03:02Z scymtym: draft: http://paste.lisp.org/display/154520 2015-08-30T22:03:13Z scymtym: does that sound reasonable? 2015-08-30T22:04:26Z stassats: i would think breaking the current behavior would be reasonable too 2015-08-30T22:04:51Z stassats: i don't think anybody wants to process a million of timers after resume 2015-08-30T22:05:06Z scymtym: i also see the current behavior as the less useful one, but maybe it is needed sometimes 2015-08-30T22:05:17Z scymtym: that's what currently happens 2015-08-30T22:05:27Z stassats: (member t nil) => boolean 2015-08-30T22:05:43Z scymtym: oops 2015-08-30T22:06:42Z stassats: well, it was like that 2015-08-30T22:06:56Z scymtym: yeah, but i should have spotted it 2015-08-30T22:07:15Z scymtym: for my timer uses, skipping also makes more sense than catching up 2015-08-30T22:07:49Z scymtym: so maybe catch-up should default to nil, or should we just drop it entirely? 2015-08-30T22:09:34Z scymtym: also, do you understand the WITHOUT-INTERRUPTS marked with TODO ? near the end of the patch? 2015-08-30T22:10:24Z stassats: i think i did explore it 2015-08-30T22:10:38Z stassats: and it didn't make any sense 2015-08-30T22:10:43Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2015-08-30T22:13:59Z stassats: google turns up " i guess (without-interrupts (allow-with-interrupts function)) for a new thread is to mimic the interrupt-thread behaviour" 2015-08-30T22:14:27Z stassats: "even though that never happened and nobody complained, do we still want that?" "i guess it would break existing code if implemented correctly, so, i'll just remove it and document it properly" 2015-08-30T22:14:29Z stassats: well, never did 2015-08-30T22:14:49Z stassats: http://ircbrowse.net/browse/lisp?id=8668315×tamp=1407350524#t1407350524 2015-08-30T22:16:36Z stassats: hm, INLINE fails when applied to macros 2015-08-30T22:16:41Z stassats: or rather, NOTINLINE 2015-08-30T22:16:54Z stassats: even though NOTINLINE affects compiler-macros and you can defined compiler-macros on macros 2015-08-30T22:17:04Z stassats: (who thought that to be a good idea?) 2015-08-30T22:17:26Z scymtym: how does the WITHOUT-INTERRUPTS form have any effect at all? it is evaluated in the parent thread an only affects the variable access 2015-08-30T22:17:29Z scymtym: *and 2015-08-30T22:17:51Z stassats: no effect 2015-08-30T22:18:16Z stassats: do we want an effect? if we do, it will break existing code 2015-08-30T22:18:33Z scymtym: ah, now i see what you meant 2015-08-30T22:18:58Z scymtym: implementing it correctly means actually affecting the created thread 2015-08-30T22:19:01Z stassats: see SB-THREAD:INTERRUPT-THREAD 2015-08-30T22:21:13Z karswell` joined #sbcl 2015-08-30T22:22:09Z stassats: found a few relevant failures in ansi-cl-tests 2015-08-30T22:22:15Z stassats: should probably run them more often 2015-08-30T22:22:34Z stassats: though it's tiring to sift through the noise, should probably record the differences 2015-08-30T22:24:15Z karswell quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-08-30T22:25:53Z scymtym: i think, my favorite solution would be removing the WITHOUT-INTERRUPTS and adapting the docstring 2015-08-30T22:26:12Z stassats: yes 2015-08-30T22:26:30Z stassats: the past me agrees with you 2015-08-30T22:27:30Z scymtym: will do that in a separate commit 2015-08-30T22:34:47Z stassats: ok, that's it from me 2015-08-30T22:35:47Z stassats: will upload windows binaries tomorrow 2015-08-30T22:35:51Z stassats: maybe arm binaries too 2015-08-30T22:36:57Z scymtym: stassats: thanks for your input 2015-08-30T22:41:43Z Shinmera quit (Quit: しつれいしなければならないんです。) 2015-08-30T22:43:43Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-30T22:55:59Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2015-08-30T23:05:24Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-30T23:37:00Z nyef__ quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-08-30T23:41:05Z Ettore quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-08-30T23:44:45Z stassats quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-08-31T00:51:24Z jfe: i’m calling sb-thread:make-thread with a function that prints to stdout but nothing is being printed. anyone know why that might be? 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this call hangs, I guess because the pipe gets full: (sb-ext:run-program "/bin/sh" (list "-c" "/bin/cat /bin/sh") :output :stream) 2015-08-31T09:48:47Z attila_lendvai: but this runs as expected: (read (sb-ext:process-output (sb-ext:run-program "/bin/sh" (list "-c" "echo alma") :output :stream))) 2015-08-31T09:49:26Z attila_lendvai: there's a potentially relevant bug report at iolib: https://github.com/sionescu/iolib/pull/29#issuecomment-136315192 2015-08-31T09:50:17Z attila_lendvai: in short: pipes will block when their buffers get full, so they must be read or the child process will hang. 2015-08-31T10:33:38Z pkhuong: :wait nil. 2015-08-31T10:50:23Z stassats joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T12:17:15Z gingerale joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T12:39:11Z Ettore quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-08-31T12:43:20Z DeadTrickster quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-08-31T13:01:38Z attila_lendvai: oh, I see, thanks! 2015-08-31T13:12:52Z cmack joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T13:29:36Z DeadTrickster joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T13:34:36Z Ettore joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T13:45:46Z Cymew joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T13:46:56Z Cymew quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-31T13:48:08Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-08-31T14:14:01Z dougk_ joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T14:19:09Z eudoxia joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T14:30:37Z eudoxia quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-08-31T14:56:00Z selat quit (Quit: Lost terminal) 2015-08-31T14:57:25Z gabriel_laddel quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-31T15:08:37Z eudoxia joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T15:35:01Z psy joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T15:35:22Z tylergoza joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T15:35:25Z psy quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2015-08-31T15:36:17Z psy joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T16:00:41Z bendiken joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T16:01:37Z psy quit (Disconnected by services) 2015-08-31T16:02:04Z psy_ joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T16:10:38Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T16:17:41Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-31T16:24:12Z Quadrescence joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T16:38:35Z Quadrescence quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-08-31T16:49:27Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T16:57:07Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-31T17:12:01Z Ettore quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2015-08-31T17:38:49Z scymtym joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T17:48:58Z ekinmur joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T17:50:34Z ekinmur quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2015-08-31T17:51:25Z ekinmur joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T17:53:00Z ekinmur quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2015-08-31T17:54:08Z ekinmur joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T17:55:43Z ekinmur quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2015-08-31T17:56:51Z ekinmur joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T18:05:32Z ekinmur quit (Quit: left the channel) 2015-08-31T18:19:02Z Ettore joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T18:32:33Z edgar-rft quit (Quit: edgar-rft) 2015-08-31T18:47:17Z cmack` joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T18:50:10Z cmack quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-31T19:14:40Z eudoxia_ joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T19:14:55Z eudoxia_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-31T19:18:13Z eudoxia quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-08-31T19:21:41Z gargaml joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T19:36:27Z edgar-rft joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T19:44:15Z gingerale quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-31T20:15:45Z igajsin_m joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T20:33:22Z angavrilov quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-31T20:38:10Z bendiken quit 2015-08-31T20:39:00Z bendiken joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T20:40:00Z gargaml quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1) 2015-08-31T20:49:53Z edgar-rft quit (Quit: edgar-rft) 2015-08-31T21:10:05Z ASau joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T21:19:30Z Shinmera quit (Quit: しつれいしなければならないんです。) 2015-08-31T21:41:19Z Ettore quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-08-31T21:41:35Z Bicyclidine joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T21:41:35Z Ettore joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T21:41:43Z ASau quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 24.5.1)) 2015-08-31T21:42:23Z ASau joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T21:45:02Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-08-31T22:31:36Z fikusz quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-08-31T22:38:12Z tylergoza quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-08-31T22:41:53Z fikusz joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T22:52:31Z karswell joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T23:09:16Z fikusz quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-08-31T23:15:50Z fikusz joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T23:17:38Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-31T23:36:07Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2015-08-31T23:51:02Z Bicyclidine quit (Quit: leaving) 2015-08-31T23:55:57Z Ettore quit (Quit: Leaving.)