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2016-05-28T12:11:00Z stassats: Xof: fixing the rotate-byte thing is pretty trivial, maybe it can go before the freeze?
2016-05-28T12:13:43Z stassats: the 64-bit already had the same fix, so, it's worth pushing the fix now, since it's something that would be hard to diagnose and it's better to fix as soon as possible
2016-05-28T12:28:41Z stassats: except that the test breaks on arm32, oops
2016-05-28T12:30:49Z stassats: the fix is the same though
2016-05-28T12:41:28Z Xof: I'm aiming to release today
2016-05-28T12:41:46Z Xof: It's a contrib so I'm more relaxed about a fix
2016-05-28T12:42:22Z stassats: i pushed it, what convinced is that it already was fixed, but only the ub64 version
2016-05-28T12:43:54Z stassats: and the test doesn't break the build on x86, arm64 and ppc
2016-05-28T12:46:05Z Xof: thanks
2016-05-28T12:46:52Z stassats: the arm failure more harmless, it just refused to compile, but x86-64 silently produced wrong results
2016-05-28T12:49:06Z stassats: it was only broken for what, 6 years? and 4.5 years after the problem with ub64 was discovered
2016-05-28T12:49:22Z stassats: the latter being quite unfortunate
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2016-05-28T16:39:04Z libman: http://www.slant.co/topics/5928/~lisp-dialects
2016-05-28T16:41:35Z libman: ^  Hope you vote for SBCL over Racket.  ;)
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2016-05-28T16:53:46Z xristos: libman: *yawn*
2016-05-28T16:54:28Z DeadTrickster: modern features - threading, lmao
2016-05-28T16:55:35Z libman: Lisp was around since 1958.  ;)
2016-05-28T17:00:20Z libman: I'm not a Lisp programmer, but IIRC SBCL recently only had native thread support only on Unix (not Windows) and only x86(64).
2016-05-28T17:01:28Z Shinmera: Threads have been on Windows since 1.1.1
2016-05-28T17:02:26Z libman: I came across that poll, which is very flawed, but I hoped to rescue it from domination by the eeevil restrictively-licensed likes of Racket and Clojure.
2016-05-28T17:04:20Z libman: Also someone added broad language families (CL & Scheme) to the poll along with specific implementations.  I think that poll only makes sense if people vote down the broad categories and add more details for specific implementations.  I'm rooting for full-featured, modern, and Copyfree (permissively licensed) ones like SBCL.
2016-05-28T17:08:43Z Shinmera: I'll wager nobody cares about that poll
2016-05-28T17:10:19Z libman: I thought there'd be no harm in mentioning it in case any of the other 70 other people here would care for some SBCL advocacy.
2016-05-28T17:10:42Z libman: Separate issue: has anyone seen a benchmark that includes SBCL and Chicken?
2016-05-28T17:14:54Z stassats: not comparable
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2016-05-28T17:41:40Z libman: Of course they are comparable.  What you mean is that there design differences and trade-offs, but performance of specific algorithms can still be measured.
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2016-05-28T17:53:09Z Xof: they are comparable in the same way that I can compare you to a summer's day
2016-05-28T17:53:19Z Xof: nice for poetry; not so much for microbenchmarks
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2016-05-28T17:56:32Z libman: Two leading Lisp implementations are far more similar than a carbon-based life-form and a span of time.  You just hate benchmarks.
2016-05-28T17:56:42Z Xof: (you can compare implementations of algorithms, but what would that prove?  It's reasonable to compare the same code running on different implementations of the same language; but what makes SBCL and Chicken more comparable than, say, C and Java?)
2016-05-28T17:57:14Z Xof: I don't hate benchmarks.  (Please don't tell me what I do and do not do)
2016-05-28T17:59:05Z libman: Someone might want to learn a Lisp dialect and care more about performance than anything else.  You might think this person is a beck-barded mouth-breathing philistine who eats sushi with an eggbeater, but that's still a viable comparison.
2016-05-28T17:59:35Z libman: *neck-bearded
2016-05-28T18:00:02Z Xof: yes, and so is comparing someone to a summer's day
2016-05-28T18:01:59Z Xof: If you want the validation of being technically correct, then yes, Chicken and SBCL are comparable in the sense that someone, somewhere might care about some kind of microbenchmarky comparison.
2016-05-28T18:02:19Z Xof: On the other hand, I don't think you'll excite anyone here about carrying it out or caring about the results.
2016-05-28T18:03:58Z Xof: do _you_, in fact, care about microbenchmark results between SBCL and Chicken?
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2016-05-28T18:38:44Z aeth: Oh wow, that website is just a big list of popularity contests that you need to register for to vote in?
2016-05-28T18:46:15Z aeth: Someone should make a loop vs. do vs. higher order functions vs. tail recursion vs. tagbody/go poll as a joke...
2016-05-28T18:46:55Z Xof: but then people would start taking it seriously
2016-05-28T18:47:42Z aeth: Well, that's why you vote for tagbody/go as a joke, even though there will be like 10 votes total. Actually, *because* there will be like 10 votes total. Easier to skew. "Breaking news: tagbody/go voted as the most popular way to iterate in Common Lisp"
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2016-05-28T20:06:27Z stassats: visited that page just now
2016-05-28T20:06:31Z stassats: that was funny
2016-05-28T20:07:36Z stassats: "SBCL fails about 50 official ANSI Common Lisp conformance tests. "
2016-05-28T20:07:38Z stassats: riiight
2016-05-28T20:07:45Z stassats: that's why i'm hostile too non experts
2016-05-28T20:07:55Z stassats: to
2016-05-28T20:15:16Z flip214: "to non-experts too", I guess ;)
2016-05-28T20:17:59Z stassats: that's debatable
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