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2015-12-30T00:22:09Z phoe_krk: How can I compile SBCL on debian sid from scratch? Do I *need* some sort of a binary to bootstrap it?
2015-12-30T00:37:33Z nyef: phoe_krk: Yes, but that binary doesn't need to be SBCL, and doesn't need to be running on your target machine.
2015-12-30T00:37:44Z phoe_krk: nyef: got it.
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2015-12-30T08:54:32Z stassats: oh hell, COND is broken?
2015-12-30T08:55:54Z stassats: not exactly broken, but not right
2015-12-30T08:56:01Z stassats: (cond (t 10) x) => 10
2015-12-30T08:59:12Z loke: Is it allowed to have anything after a t-clause?
2015-12-30T08:59:23Z stassats: sure
2015-12-30T08:59:36Z loke: What happens here is that the COND macro simply ignores everythng after T, yes?
2015-12-30T08:59:44Z stassats: yes
2015-12-30T09:00:32Z loke: There is even comment mentioning it in the COND source.
2015-12-30T09:02:07Z stassats: fixing it would have taken less time than writing that fixme
2015-12-30T09:03:56Z jackdaniel: this behavior is consistent between sbcl, ccl, ecl, abcl and clisp (all I've checked). how is it wrong either way?
2015-12-30T09:07:48Z stassats: it's obvious what's wrong
2015-12-30T09:08:42Z jackdaniel: I have deduced it's obvious from your conversation with loke. I'm asking since I can't get it though :)
2015-12-30T09:09:50Z jackdaniel: do you mean, that it shouldbe (cond (t 10) (x)) for instance?
2015-12-30T09:10:27Z loke: jackdaniel: The point is that stassats example above is illegal code, and should be flagged as such
2015-12-30T09:12:25Z jackdaniel: right, I've concentrated on the aspect of not evaluating instead of how the clause is defined (ie not being an atom)
2015-12-30T09:12:32Z jackdaniel: thanks
2015-12-30T09:25:08Z stassats: with a fix pushed, i hope it'll break a library or two
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2015-12-30T09:42:00Z loke: stassats: You think it will?
2015-12-30T09:42:12Z loke pulls and compiles
2015-12-30T09:42:45Z loke: stassats: You didn't push yet? :-)
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2015-12-30T09:59:35Z stassats: i pushed when i said i pushed
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2015-12-30T10:47:18Z loke: stassats: I just did a pull and the most recent change is 6c897968a3bddbb8fcf853e9e31f3e6c2c750ac8
2015-12-30T10:47:25Z loke: Date:   Tue Dec 29 21:44:48 2015 -0500
2015-12-30T10:47:28Z loke: By Mr Katzman
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2015-12-30T11:19:30Z Xof: are you using a mirror?
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2015-12-30T14:51:46Z scymtym: PuercoPop: thanks for the hint. iirc, nikodemus pointed my towards that document when i originally added the comment. i started converting it to texinfo format in the meantime.
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2015-12-30T16:58:39Z PuercoPop: scymtym: np, it may be a good idea to reference the existence of the document if cmucl's source in the mean time
2015-12-30T16:59:30Z PuercoPop: any tips as to how understand the transformations in ir1-tran-lambda.lisp?
2015-12-30T17:01:22Z scymtym: i think i'm seeing the same effect loke described earlier: i see an rss feed item for a commit "Don't bind *compiler-error-context* twice in %check-bound ir2-convert." but neither sf nor gh repository seems to have that commit yet
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2015-12-30T22:17:35Z mlrutherford: can ECL not bootstrap SBCL?
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2015-12-30T22:29:40Z joshe: I don't believe so
2015-12-30T22:33:08Z mlrutherford: Is there a lisp implementation with minimal dependencies (perhaps only gcc?) that can bootstrap SBCL?
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2015-12-30T22:33:48Z Bicyclidine: You don't need very many dependencies to just run an SBCL or CCL binary, do you?
2015-12-30T22:34:22Z mlrutherford: i meant dependencies for actually compiling the lisp itself
2015-12-30T22:34:30Z mlrutherford: like ECL only depends on GCC
2015-12-30T22:35:01Z mlrutherford: i was looking for something that could compile SBCL without needing too much of its own
2015-12-30T22:35:04Z Bicyclidine: But if you're just using it to build SBCL, why does it matter?
2015-12-30T22:35:06Z joshe: there's only clisp that I know of
2015-12-30T22:35:12Z Bicyclidine: Are there no binaries available?
2015-12-30T22:35:38Z joshe: but it can be a bit of a horror to maintain
2015-12-30T22:35:39Z mlrutherford: No i am packaging it for an independent OS
2015-12-30T22:36:12Z mlrutherford: joshe, on the bright side CLISP hasnt had a release in 5 years or so
2015-12-30T22:36:25Z joshe: in openbsd ports, we use clisp
2015-12-30T22:37:20Z joshe: mlrutherford: yes, it makes the patches to the machine-generated, human-edited assembly easier to maintain
2015-12-30T22:38:59Z mlrutherford: MMkay, well ill try compiling CLISP and then compiling SBCL with that
2015-12-30T22:39:47Z joshe: I did have ecl bootstrapping at least mostly working at one point
2015-12-30T22:40:18Z joshe: it might be possible for someone else to do so again with sufficient effort
2015-12-30T22:40:19Z mlrutherford: how did you manage that?
2015-12-30T22:41:09Z joshe: try to build -> find problem -> fix in either ecl or sbcl -> repeat until bored
2015-12-30T22:41:49Z mlrutherford: wow, that sounds tedious
2015-12-30T22:41:51Z mlrutherford: lol
2015-12-30T22:42:03Z joshe: but sbcl's build process has a bit of a steep learning curve
2015-12-30T22:42:38Z mlrutherford: seems like it. I really need it on the OS im building it for, so im willing to work at it for a while
2015-12-30T22:43:15Z joshe: getting a clisp bootstrap working is a good first step
2015-12-30T22:44:29Z mlrutherford: alrightey. ill start looking into CLISP dependecies then
2015-12-30T22:47:03Z joshe: by "OS" you mean a linux distro, right?
2015-12-30T22:47:34Z joshe: because porting sbcl to a new OS is something else entirely
2015-12-30T22:50:11Z mlrutherford: its a distro of linux that uses its own package manager and format
2015-12-30T22:50:26Z joshe: right, that's what I thought
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2015-12-30T22:50:49Z mlrutherford: https://solus-project.com/ uses the eopkg format with a fork of PiSi
2015-12-30T22:51:57Z Bicyclidine: so how do you package gcc or other self hosting compilers?
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2015-12-30T22:53:14Z joshe: I can't speak for linux, but the BSDs just stick the C compiler in the base system instead of in a package
2015-12-30T22:53:46Z mordocai: debian packages gcc but I don't know how everything works there
2015-12-30T22:54:02Z Bicyclidine: special casing. figures, i guess.
2015-12-30T22:55:34Z mlrutherford: https://git.solus-project.com/packages/gcc/tree/
2015-12-30T22:55:42Z mlrutherford: gcc is packaged in a pretty unique way
2015-12-30T22:55:46Z joshe: some compilers that are packaged end up using a separate binary to bootstrap
2015-12-30T22:56:02Z joshe: like haskell
2015-12-30T22:56:22Z mlrutherford: ^ done that before
2015-12-30T22:57:04Z joshe: I used to do that with sbcl before clisp bootstrapping worked well
2015-12-30T23:09:27Z mlrutherford: im building libsigsegv for clisp for sbcl. ill let you know when i get close to building sbcl
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