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2015-12-21T16:02:28Z flip214: is there some archive data about SBCL generated code performance over time?
2015-12-21T16:02:56Z flip214: just curious.
2015-12-21T16:05:20Z nyef: There used to be the boinkmarks, but I don't know that we have anything like that now.
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2015-12-21T16:15:48Z Xof: it would be lovely to have data like that
2015-12-21T16:19:51Z nyef: ... Is the source for the boinkmark system available anywhere? We could try to set it up again.
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2015-12-21T21:24:45Z nyef: dougk_: Shall I do the hppa and alpha instruction set package things, or are you planning to do them?
2015-12-21T21:25:33Z dougk_: nyef: if you're offering!
2015-12-21T21:25:50Z nyef: Well, I have the hardware, after all.
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2015-12-21T21:26:19Z dougk_: once these are converted, I think it's fair to say I can avoid breaking them
2015-12-21T21:26:40Z dougk_: I'm actually stuck on aarch64. Emulator is getting illegal instruction in a totally pristine build. I could use some pointers there, no pun intended.
2015-12-21T21:26:45Z nyef: What's left, just those and arm64?
2015-12-21T21:26:53Z dougk_: correct
2015-12-21T21:27:02Z nyef: Yeah, I can't really help with aarch64. That's more stassats thing.
2015-12-21T21:27:30Z nyef: What's your timeframe on this?
2015-12-21T21:28:12Z stassats: dougk_: give me a diff i'll run it through
2015-12-21T21:28:27Z dougk_: stassats: will do
2015-12-21T21:29:17Z dougk_: i was planning to try to start cleaning up the disassembler after this month's release
2015-12-21T21:29:37Z nyef: I thought we weren't doing a release this month?
2015-12-21T21:29:45Z dougk_: oh, i saw that. I wasn't sure!
2015-12-21T21:31:23Z dougk_: well, anyway, it'll probably take me a while to come up the way to remove the things that have infuriated every hacker past, vis-a-vis the "why are all these eval-when's here?" comments
2015-12-21T21:31:56Z stassats: assembler definitions are annoying as it is
2015-12-21T21:32:08Z dougk_: what the disassembler is trying to do is abstract interpretation of all printer functions so it can decide to coalesce.
2015-12-21T21:32:24Z dougk_: this is functionality that already exists as FNGEN in the PCL implementation, in a different sort of way
2015-12-21T21:32:33Z stassats: looked at ppc/insts recently, quite a mess
2015-12-21T21:32:34Z dougk_: so, one kind of metaprogramming hell is better than two kinds, I'd say.
2015-12-21T21:33:19Z dougk_: but what it wants to do use use the *evaluated* value of function objects to decide if they're EQ, but then inject their source form. Because maybe they're closures. I don't think it's even right
2015-12-21T21:34:51Z nyef: stassats: hppa/insts doesn't bear a huge resemblance to the "official" PA-RISC instruction set, version 1.1 or 2.0.
2015-12-21T21:35:35Z nyef: And does some fairly squinky things in terms of instruction emitters using INST to substitute other instructions which works, more-or-less, but screws up the trace output.
2015-12-21T21:35:43Z stassats: and i guess i wouldn't be doing ppc64 this year after all
2015-12-21T21:36:05Z stassats: this copy and constraint propagation stuff intervened, and is arguably more important
2015-12-21T21:37:48Z stassats: and i still need to figure out how constraint propagation works
2015-12-21T21:37:53Z stassats: copy propagation i got figured
2015-12-21T21:37:57Z nyef: And it's probably going to be a couple of months before I'll really be happy with the idea of stripping out the cheneygc stuff.
2015-12-21T21:39:41Z nyef: I want to get all of the backends that need it stable on cheneygc, then get gencgc for all of them, then we can get rid of cheneygc, but only once we've had a release for each of these conditions, and then the alpha port is simply too broken to fix without transitioning to a true 64-bit port thanks to the DX_SAP thing, and I don't want to do THAT until we have MIPS n32 working...
2015-12-21T21:40:21Z nyef: ... and my MIPS hardware isn't even CAPABLE of MIPS n32 properly yet, due to kernel bugs that I have yet to nail to the wall.
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2015-12-21T21:55:51Z nyef: So, HPPA first!
2015-12-21T21:56:06Z nyef: Since I still have a small pile of things to fix there before it's anywhere near usable.
2015-12-21T21:56:24Z stassats: too bad nobody will use it
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2015-12-21T22:04:35Z nyef: Sure, but getting it up-to-date and working means that we don't have the inertia around of another outdated backend, while still keeping the architectural flexibility required to support that brand of architectural weirdness.
2015-12-21T22:04:54Z nyef: Also means you're going to get your read-only-tramps at some point.
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