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2015-03-23T00:16:27Z Quadrescence: when is there going to be a group of sbcl hackers that can be paid to do that stuff ;)
2015-03-23T00:19:20Z brucem: I don't think the MPX hardware is out yet?
2015-03-23T00:19:40Z pkhuong: brucem: no, it won't be for a while.
2015-03-23T00:21:16Z brucem: My view on the likelihood of there ever being Lisp or similar language hackers to do such a thing in a paid manner is grim.  And it isn't clear at all that MPX will get much uptake or interest. Similar features in ARM died, IIRC.
2015-03-23T00:22:12Z pkhuong: similar features in x86 died ;)
2015-03-23T00:23:13Z brucem: pkhuong: this is fairly different from old-BOUND though ... or something else in x86?
2015-03-23T00:23:42Z pkhuong: it feels like the same issues as BOUND.
2015-03-23T00:24:07Z pkhuong: I'm all for a hardware accelerated hash table however, and I certainly hope they put a cache in front of the bounds table ;)
2015-03-23T00:25:25Z brucem: pkhuong: and it (potentially) frees up a register that would've been used for this ... but I guess we'll see how it looks when it ships.
2015-03-23T00:25:36Z brucem: (if it ships)
2015-03-23T00:49:58Z pkhuong: oh, hey, you also get a coarse GC barrier (read and write), esp. if you setup the heap chronologically.
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2015-03-23T16:39:17Z heddwch: dougk_: What the crap?
2015-03-23T16:39:42Z ams: heddwch: rpi
2015-03-23T16:39:52Z ams: i suspect ..
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2015-03-23T16:40:25Z heddwch: ams: Mine's pretty stable
2015-03-23T16:40:48Z heddwch: Or is he working on netbsd/evbarm or something?
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2015-03-23T16:41:19Z ams: no clue.  rpi has closed hardware, which is why people consider it crap .. usually
2015-03-23T16:42:01Z nyef: Mmm. That's not why I consider it crap. (-:
2015-03-23T16:42:04Z heddwch: *shrug* The API is public, so I don't feel like it's a big deal, but then I'm not a GNU guy
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2015-03-23T16:42:54Z ams: little to do with gnu, openbsd considers rpi crap as well becuase of these reasons
2015-03-23T16:44:15Z heddwch: mm, I'll have to look up what you're talking about. I just don't personally see a problem if the binary blob is usable, which it is.
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2015-03-23T16:44:37Z heddwch: NetBSD already has it running X in -current
2015-03-23T16:45:26Z heddwch: RPi2 support is already in-tree, too, though I haven't checked how far along it is.
2015-03-23T16:45:39Z ams: the problem is that the hardware is totally undocumented.
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2015-03-23T16:46:30Z heddwch: Not really, there's documentation for the whole SoC other than the video core, but then there's documentation for using the binary blob for the video
2015-03-23T16:47:01Z ams: yes, really.  but the topic is off-topic for this channel.
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2015-03-23T16:47:11Z heddwch: true, sorry
2015-03-23T16:47:15Z ams: (ps. there is no such documentation either)
2015-03-23T16:48:14Z stassats: pi is not suitable for SBCL development, too slow, documented videocore or not
2015-03-23T16:49:02Z nyef: Yeah, bootstrapping on a Pi was a pain.
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2015-03-23T16:49:28Z nyef: ... Is the BBB any better?
2015-03-23T16:49:56Z stassats: there's now  rpi 2
2015-03-23T16:50:15Z stassats: certainly better, but still not really fast
2015-03-23T16:50:16Z nyef: I'm currently allergic to buying non-MIPS hardware.
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2015-03-23T16:54:55Z heddwch: nyef: What are you managing to get ahold of with MIPS?
2015-03-23T16:55:34Z nyef: heddwch: My last two purchases were an Ubiquiti EdgeRouter ERLite-3 and an SGI Origin 300.
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2015-03-23T16:56:05Z nyef: If you're planning to run Linux, I'd recommend not getting the SGI just yet.
2015-03-23T16:56:37Z heddwch: nyef: What about NetBSD?
2015-03-23T16:56:56Z nyef: Double-check, but you're more likely to have luck with OpenBSD.
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2015-03-23T16:57:40Z heddwch: odd
2015-03-23T16:57:46Z heddwch: All right, thanks :)
2015-03-23T16:58:05Z akkad: yeah on sgi 64 openbsd has a lead
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2015-03-23T17:00:25Z akkad: sgi IP3x specifically
2015-03-23T17:00:33Z nyef: IP27 supposedly works on Linux, and there's an IP30 patchset.
2015-03-23T17:00:59Z nyef: The Origin 300 (and Origin 350, and Tezro, and Fuel) are all IP35, which is proving to be a bit of a pain.
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2015-03-23T17:02:16Z akkad has too much sgi crap
2015-03-23T17:02:29Z akkad: http://linbsd.org/rack.png
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2015-03-23T17:03:11Z nyef: akkad: ... Not seeing an IP35 there.
2015-03-23T17:03:22Z nyef: I see an IP30, though.
2015-03-23T17:03:29Z akkad: Origin2 is not IP3x?
2015-03-23T17:03:48Z akkad: Octane
2015-03-23T17:04:01Z nyef: IP30. Has HEART instead of BEDROCK. No NUMALink port.
2015-03-23T17:04:04Z akkad: yeah lowe end stuff
2015-03-23T17:04:16Z akkad: ahh, what do you tend to run on them?
2015-03-23T17:04:26Z nyef: Does use XBridge, though.
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2015-03-23T17:05:25Z nyef: Right now I have an O300 and an O350 (both IP35), and use them in a netboot configuration with Linux kernels.
2015-03-23T17:05:45Z akkad: nice
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2015-03-23T17:07:05Z nyef: And I'm not yet at the point where the same kernel will run on both machines.
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2015-03-23T17:08:27Z nyef: Still, the O300 is actually at the point of being usable hardware, since the network card actually does work.
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