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2015-03-20T00:18:19Z nyef: Hmph. ODPP indeed. /-:
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2015-03-20T11:26:54Z Xof: gah
2015-03-20T11:27:00Z Xof: is it that time of the month again?
2015-03-20T11:27:17Z Xof: freeze this weekend sometime, release next Friday.  Does anyone have anything large pending?
2015-03-20T11:31:03Z scymtym: Xof: i think we have to think about going back on (or going differently about) the SB-EXT:QUIT deprecation
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2015-03-20T11:46:15Z Xof: has anything from the big list of Quicklisp failures been fixed?
2015-03-20T11:46:30Z Xof: in user-space, I mean?
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2015-03-20T12:01:52Z scymtym: maybe xmls since the problem turned out to be fixed upstream but quicklisp used outdated release
2015-03-20T12:02:00Z scymtym: i'm not aware of anything else
2015-03-20T12:14:50Z scymtym: Xof: maybe ask Xach to re-run the test?
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2015-03-20T12:29:40Z flip214: christoph_debian: is there a repository that has raspberry-1 compatible packages and includes SBCL? the raspbian doesn't have it, and debian arm is the wrong architecture, IIRC.
2015-03-20T12:31:28Z christoph_debian: no idea
2015-03-20T12:31:36Z christoph_debian: I avoided raspies totally
2015-03-20T12:31:41Z christoph_debian: crap hardware
2015-03-20T12:31:57Z christoph_debian: and you can do armel on the raspie1
2015-03-20T12:32:11Z christoph_debian: but no sbcl on armel
2015-03-20T12:32:13Z christoph_debian: ;-)
2015-03-20T12:33:12Z flip214: debian armel is the wrong compile architecture; the raspi 2 is compatible with debian armhf.
2015-03-20T12:33:27Z flip214: I've got sbcl on arm running fine ... but self-compiled.
2015-03-20T12:33:48Z christoph_debian: armel works on armel ;-)
2015-03-20T12:33:54Z christoph_debian: you just don't get any FPU
2015-03-20T12:35:57Z flip214: hmm, I always got some "invalid instruction" message...
2015-03-20T12:36:02Z flip214: perhaps I have to try again
2015-03-20T12:36:04Z flip214: thanks
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2015-03-20T12:42:03Z heddwch: flip214: Raspbian and building your own SBCL is the only practical option for the RPi
2015-03-20T12:43:14Z flip214: yeah, that's what I'm doing now anyway
2015-03-20T12:43:28Z heddwch: Then you're all set :)
2015-03-20T12:45:12Z flip214: yeah, but "apt-get dist-upgrade" would be more confortable...
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2015-03-20T12:48:10Z heddwch: You came this far; contribute a package.
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2015-03-20T13:03:17Z flip214: qemu-arm-static is a nice way to cross-compile ... could be auto-detected in the build scripts ;)
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2015-03-20T14:00:54Z Xof: the arm binaries that I built are raspbian-compatible
2015-03-20T14:01:38Z Xof: that may or may not be relevant
2015-03-20T14:02:15Z Xof: I think probably the way forward is to freeze, ask Xach for current status on QUIT, and then undeprecate it for the release and redeprecate it "this time we mean it" next month
2015-03-20T14:02:20Z Xof: and send patches to all failing projects
2015-03-20T14:06:46Z scymtym: i agree in principle. however, all failing project may be many and sending patches may be hard in some cases such as unmaintained projects.
2015-03-20T14:28:14Z pkhuong: I like david's suggestion, frankly.
2015-03-20T14:28:18Z pkhuong: change the semantics of quit
2015-03-20T14:28:23Z pkhuong: call it a day.
2015-03-20T14:29:01Z pkhuong: preserving backward compatibility with a misfeature that apparently no one knows about isn't a high priority to me.
2015-03-20T14:29:25Z pkhuong: "just depend on uiop" is obviously not an option ;)
2015-03-20T14:33:31Z scymtym: pkhuong: i would like to force-push some improvements to the code walking stuff. would that bother you?
2015-03-20T14:36:54Z pkhuong: scymtym: go ahead
2015-03-20T14:37:06Z scymtym: pkhuong: thanks
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2015-03-20T15:53:13Z burtons`: how would one go about to print the stack trace where an error occurred rather than the stack trace of the error handler?
2015-03-20T15:53:44Z burtons`: when slime catches an error it prints just the stack of the error, but I can't seem to figure out how it does it
2015-03-20T15:53:57Z nyef: burtons`: Are you using HANDLER-CASE or HANDLER-BIND?
2015-03-20T15:54:03Z burtons`: i'm using print-backtrace in a function called by a handler-case
2015-03-20T15:54:08Z nyef: That'd be why.
2015-03-20T15:54:16Z burtons`: use handler-bind?
2015-03-20T15:54:32Z nyef: HANDLER-CASE unwinds the stack, HANDLER-BIND leaves the decision to unwind to the handler.
2015-03-20T15:54:43Z burtons`: ah, thanks, i'll give that a shot
2015-03-20T15:55:14Z nyef: The difference also affects visible restarts, special-variable binding, and so on.
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2015-03-20T16:20:30Z burtons`: hmm, now it's not catching the errors at all
2015-03-20T16:21:06Z burtons`: oh wait, in know, nm
2015-03-20T16:23:08Z burtons`: is it bad to wrap a handler-case inside a handler-bind?
2015-03-20T16:23:37Z nyef: Not necessarily, but keep the actual semantics of what's going on in mind.
2015-03-20T16:23:49Z burtons`: i have an outer handler-bind that handles error
2015-03-20T16:24:04Z burtons`: and inside that i have a handler-case that handles 2 conditions i've defined
2015-03-20T16:24:16Z burtons`: but now it's not catching the error in the outer handler-bind at all
2015-03-20T16:24:35Z burtons`: pops me up in the slime debugger
2015-03-20T16:25:27Z burtons`: i'm trying to catch an error that's happening in the handler-case handlers
2015-03-20T16:26:01Z burtons`: well, basically every error that isn't handled
2015-03-20T16:26:43Z nyef: That should work.
2015-03-20T16:26:58Z burtons`: it's not :-/
2015-03-20T16:27:45Z burtons`: http://paste.lisp.org/display/146393
2015-03-20T16:28:34Z burtons`: i'm putting an error in the access-denied-handler that i wan't to catch with the outer error handler
2015-03-20T16:29:33Z nyef: Nothing looks obviously wrong there.
2015-03-20T16:29:42Z burtons`: hmmm
2015-03-20T16:29:57Z burtons`: the outer handler-bind doesn't catch anything
2015-03-20T16:30:10Z burtons`: i even tried catching error  in the handler case and resignaling it
2015-03-20T16:30:27Z nyef: Are you sure that it doesn't catch anything rather than declining to handle anything?
2015-03-20T16:30:42Z burtons`: it pops up the slime debugger
2015-03-20T16:30:49Z burtons`: which is what i'm trying to avoid
2015-03-20T16:30:56Z nyef: That just means that INTERNAL-SERVER-ERROR-HANDLER isn't doing a non-local exit.
2015-03-20T16:31:18Z burtons`: not sure what you mean by that
2015-03-20T16:31:28Z nyef: Add a (RETURN-FROM HANDLE) after the call to INTERNAL-SERVER-ERROR-HANDLER.
2015-03-20T16:32:22Z burtons`: aha, that works
2015-03-20T16:32:28Z burtons`: could you explain?
2015-03-20T16:34:08Z nyef: clhs 9.1
2015-03-20T16:34:08Z specbot: Condition System Concepts: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/09_a.htm
2015-03-20T16:34:27Z burtons`: thanks, i'll study some more
2015-03-20T16:34:36Z burtons`: at least i'm getting the backtrace i want now
2015-03-20T16:35:10Z nyef: Basically, HANDLER-CASE automatically "handles" the condition. HANDLER-BIND leaves the decision up to the handler, and your handler was "declining" the condition.
2015-03-20T16:35:31Z nyef: This might also be a good place to involve a RESTART.
2015-03-20T16:37:48Z burtons`: well, this is the last resort error handler, so i'm not sure about what specific restarts coud be made available
2015-03-20T16:40:10Z nyef: "Discard request"?
2015-03-20T16:41:05Z burtons`: i'm still wrapping my head around restarts
2015-03-20T16:41:31Z burtons`: how would defining a 'discard request' be a benefit to a non-interactive server?
2015-03-20T16:41:49Z burtons`: is the request not discarded automatically by the (return-from handle)?
2015-03-20T16:43:52Z nyef: I don't know. Is it?
2015-03-20T16:44:01Z burtons`: i think so :)
2015-03-20T16:44:21Z burtons`: just started using the sb-fastcgi library, but it should be
2015-03-20T16:44:47Z nyef: In my case I have a handler that binds for an image-file-not-found error and invokes a "skip-image" restart.
2015-03-20T16:45:21Z burtons`: yes, i could see that case
2015-03-20T16:45:27Z nyef: And I do that well outside the context of where the error is defined.
2015-03-20T16:46:09Z burtons`: i'll keep that in mind as i progress
2015-03-20T16:46:09Z nyef: The restart provides a way to handle the error with an appropriate semantic.
2015-03-20T16:46:20Z burtons`: i'm just writing a skeleton service right now
2015-03-20T16:46:44Z burtons`: yes, i know a bit about them from PCL
2015-03-20T16:46:55Z burtons`: just trying to see how they fit into the scheme of things
2015-03-20T16:47:02Z burtons`: figure out i mean
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2015-03-20T18:01:21Z PuercoPop: oi What function (or functions) turn code into the components found in compiler/node?
2015-03-20T18:01:54Z pkhuong: PuercoPop: that's ir1tran
2015-03-20T18:02:14Z pkhuong: sexp -> IR1 (fused with macroexpansion)
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2015-03-20T18:02:48Z PuercoPop: thanks
2015-03-20T18:11:11Z flip214: 70624c9903666fd4f5a809e132ae8d7933145e9b on ARM (via qemu-arm-static) fails sb-md5.
2015-03-20T18:12:38Z flip214: CORRUPTION WARNING in SBCL pid 23141: Signal 4 received
2015-03-20T18:12:42Z flip214: guess that's qemu related.
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2015-03-20T18:19:57Z nyef: As an emulator author, I follow a simple rule: Never trust an emulator.
2015-03-20T18:20:49Z nyef: (Which is also part of why I was cranky when I found that someone changed SBCL so that it ran on Wine, rather than changing Wine so that it ran SBCL.)
2015-03-20T18:21:07Z stassats: who cares that sbcl runs on wine?
2015-03-20T18:21:34Z Shinmera: People that like WINE, I guess.
2015-03-20T18:22:00Z Shinmera: I hear it's possible to generate windows binaries with that method, so that could be a reason.
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2015-03-20T18:24:25Z nyef: stassats: I don't care that SBCL runs on Wine so much that I care that SBCL is the one that adapted to make it happen, which is the WRONG APPROACH, especially since it was a long-known bug in Wine that was the problem.
2015-03-20T18:24:38Z nyef: (And I say this as a former Wine hacker.)
2015-03-20T18:24:52Z |3b|: stassats: useful if you want to build windows binaries from linux
2015-03-20T18:25:20Z |3b| wonders how i missed the line where someone already said that :/
2015-03-20T18:26:02Z nyef: (Anything that runs in windows but not in wine, by definition, points to a bug in wine.)
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