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2015-03-18T00:18:56Z ASau: heddwch: I don't remember if I tried to build with pthreads at all.
2015-03-18T00:19:16Z ASau: heddwch: as for -KILL, it works for me.
2015-03-18T00:21:37Z ASau: heddwch: oh, you're stuck at building sb-sprof!
2015-03-18T00:21:46Z ASau: heddwch: no, it doesn't work.
2015-03-18T00:21:58Z ASau: heddwch: yes, we're aware of the problem.
2015-03-18T00:23:56Z heddwch: ASau: Thanks :) I was hoping to take a look and maybe help. Any starting points yet?
2015-03-18T00:24:58Z heddwch: It'd be great if it's sbcl; I'm temporarily running on flash, so netbsd base updates take a very long time.
2015-03-18T00:25:38Z ASau: As for me, I perceive more fundamental problems than the one with profiler.
2015-03-18T00:26:13Z heddwch: ASau: Have time to tell me what you mean?
2015-03-18T00:26:22Z ASau: I'd say, getting SBCL at least finish tests in non-threaded build would be nice.
2015-03-18T00:27:00Z ASau: It is easy to reproduce for you in pkgsrc: make stage-install; make test.
2015-03-18T00:27:12Z heddwch: Yea, I didn't know when I came in that it didn't work without threads. What I'm doing is heavily dependent on threads, so I hadn't tried building without it
2015-03-18T00:27:54Z heddwch: When was the last time it built on NetBSD? 1.2.7?
2015-03-18T00:29:34Z ASau: 1.2.7 didn't build at all. :)
2015-03-18T00:29:59Z ASau: I don't remember, check the log for the patch that turns profiler tests off.
2015-03-18T00:33:39Z heddwch: Oh, the website has a binary build for 1.2.7, that's what I was using to try to build 1.2.9
2015-03-18T00:33:46Z heddwch: All right, will do; thanks
2015-03-18T00:35:07Z ASau is confused.
2015-03-18T00:35:16Z ASau: Are you talking about linux emulation?
2015-03-18T00:36:41Z heddwch: $ ls /home/yoshi/Downloads/sbcl*
2015-03-18T00:36:41Z heddwch: /home/yoshi/Downloads/sbcl-1.2.7-x86-64-netbsd-binary.tar.bz2
2015-03-18T00:36:49Z heddwch: Just from the usual download page
2015-03-18T00:37:09Z heddwch: Oh, are you running x86?
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2015-03-18T00:52:13Z heddwch: Welcome back. Are you running on x86?
2015-03-18T00:55:51Z ASau: Yes.
2015-03-18T00:58:03Z heddwch: That's why I've got 1.2.7. x86-64
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2015-03-18T00:59:34Z heddwch: There's only experimental thread support for x86-64 last I knew, but I'll see if it builds without threads.
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2015-03-18T01:22:31Z stassats: experimental?
2015-03-18T01:22:44Z stassats: it's as experimental as the whole SBCL
2015-03-18T01:24:33Z heddwch: stassats: I haven't dug in to commits much yet, I just knew the last changelog for a release I saw mentioning it did so as "added: experimental thread support on NetBSD/x86-64" or somesuch
2015-03-18T01:25:27Z brucem: I'd wager that it was the NetBSD part that was experimental.
2015-03-18T01:25:52Z heddwch: Well, yea. Works quite well on linux/x86-64
2015-03-18T01:26:33Z heddwch: iirc, it worked fine on the Raspberry Pi, too (linux)
2015-03-18T01:26:56Z stassats: sure, considering ARM doesn't have threads
2015-03-18T01:27:14Z heddwch: then I remembered incorrectly, sorry =p
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2015-03-18T01:40:57Z nyef: Do we have a current angle for threads on ARM, btw?
2015-03-18T01:41:34Z nyef: Hrm. Guess I'll ask that again tomorrow.
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2015-03-18T02:01:14Z heddwch: Nope, doesn't build without threads either on NetBSD/x86-64
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2015-03-18T02:18:47Z joshe: heddwch: which version was this? 6.2.something?
2015-03-18T02:29:37Z heddwch: 6.1.5 stable, sorry
2015-03-18T02:30:14Z heddwch: About to add the reader macro not to run the test, then I'll be working on the test lol
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2015-03-18T02:35:10Z joshe: well, if you run the full test suite then you'll find a lot more failures
2015-03-18T02:37:37Z joshe: based on the ktrace, I'm guessing it's a spinlock (maybe the one in the rtld) deadlocking due to sbcl doing something unexpected like jumping out of a signal handler
2015-03-18T02:39:38Z heddwch: That sounds consistent. CPU usage jumps to something like 95.7% in top when the freeze happens.
2015-03-18T02:42:42Z nyef: ... Build with safepoints?
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2015-03-18T02:53:44Z heddwch: I'm working on multiple things, so haven't gotten that far yet, but I'll look into that.
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2015-03-18T02:54:51Z nyef: Plausibly, taking a non-local exit from an asynchronous signal handler delivered within some sort of low-level lock could mess things up.
2015-03-18T02:55:41Z nyef: Might have to be from alien code, at that.
2015-03-18T02:57:38Z joshe: default build, and I'm pretty sure I built far enough back that safepoints on posix weren't a thing
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2015-03-18T03:00:52Z nyef: Have I mentioned yet that I hate dealing with concurrency issues?
2015-03-18T03:03:02Z joshe: Have I mentioned that I no longer have the patience to debug low-level runtime issues caused by SBCL behaving differently than a C program?
2015-03-18T03:05:02Z joshe: "Surely nothing could ever jump out of a signal handler."  "Surely nothing could ever handle SIGILL."  "Surely nothing would ever want access to the full register set in a signal handler."
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2015-03-18T03:27:01Z nyef: "Surely everything uses C as a base for an implementation."
2015-03-18T03:27:32Z nyef: "What do you mean ``big endian''?"
2015-03-18T03:28:14Z nyef: "If you get a SIGSEGV, you're dead, why would you even try to continue from that?"
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2015-03-18T12:44:40Z marsjaninzmarsa: hi.
2015-03-18T12:45:42Z marsjaninzmarsa: is the way to kill sbcl without data lose? my sbcl is not responding, I must kill them, but I wanna to make him dump image to file first.
2015-03-18T12:47:07Z stassats: no
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2015-03-18T12:52:26Z marsjaninzmarsa: thanks.
2015-03-18T12:52:26Z marsjaninzmarsa: <marsjaninzmarsa> is the way to kill sbcl without data lose? my sbcl is not responding, I must kill them, but I wanna to make him dump image to file first.
2015-03-18T12:52:27Z marsjaninzmarsa: <stassats> no
2015-03-18T12:52:31Z marsjaninzmarsa: ups.
2015-03-18T12:52:39Z marsjaninzmarsa: pastefail
2015-03-18T12:52:40Z marsjaninzmarsa: marsjan@elen:~/alice$ killall sbcl
2015-03-18T12:52:40Z marsjaninzmarsa: marsjan@elen:~/alice$
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2015-03-18T20:42:46Z francogrex: Hi I am trying to build sbcl on win32, it used to work fine but now I am getting this error: http://paste.lisp.org/display/146362
2015-03-18T20:42:52Z francogrex: any ideas why?
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2015-03-18T20:59:58Z nyef: francogrex: I'm going to go with either your mingw version changed, or something in SBCL changed.
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2015-03-18T21:05:52Z francogrex: nyef i tried with 2 versions of mingw (the newest and an older one). also the latest 2 sbcl versions but I will try now with 1.2.7
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2015-03-18T21:07:23Z nyef: So, while we're on the subject of SBCL ports that I started and got to a minimally functional condition, do we have a current angle on ARM threads?
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2015-03-18T21:18:54Z pkhuong: get some registers? ;)
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2015-03-18T21:23:23Z stassats: nyef: forget about it and wait for the arm64 port?
2015-03-18T21:23:36Z nyef: Okay, so no further.
2015-03-18T21:23:51Z stassats: seems like if you want to do anything useful with sbcl you'll be better off with an arm64 cpu
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2015-03-18T21:27:16Z scymtym: pkhuong: did you have time to consider the email? (sorry for asking so soon, but i will soon run out of vacation time to work on the thing)
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2015-03-18T21:39:51Z pkhuong: scymtym: not really.
2015-03-18T21:40:11Z pkhuong: let's aim for the next 5 hours ;)
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2015-03-18T21:40:45Z scymtym: pkhuong: that would be great. thank you in advance and sorry for bothering you.
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2015-03-18T22:33:55Z oleo_: is there a wishlist for sbcl ?
2015-03-18T22:33:55Z oleo_: <oleo_> i'd like to see function definitions not only lambda-lists of'em when invoking describe.....
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2015-03-18T22:38:28Z stassats: there is, the number one entry is "a pony"
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2015-03-18T22:40:11Z oleo_: lol
2015-03-18T22:40:13Z oleo_: :)
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2015-03-18T22:44:02Z nyef: Is the number two entry "the moon on a stick"?
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2015-03-18T22:49:48Z oleo_: hahahahha
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