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2015-01-29T02:41:35Z stassats: got a fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1099500
2015-01-29T02:42:11Z stassats: that's not what i wanted to fix, dammit, but i understood things enough while trying to fix the other thing, so this became obvious
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2015-01-29T02:44:12Z nyef: Oh, good. Because that was completely non-obvious to me, other than that it was my change which caused it.
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2015-01-29T03:36:47Z stassats: i see the problem with &optional and self-calls, it saves RDX on the stack before checking the argument count
2015-01-29T03:37:31Z stassats: so the backtrace may see garbage there
2015-01-29T03:38:02Z stassats: now the question is of course why on earth self call recognition causes optional-dispatch to call the function
2015-01-29T03:38:56Z stassats: and if fix the latter, can i construct a valid test case still demonstrating the former
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2015-01-29T03:45:49Z nyef: stassats: You fixed lp#1099500, though?
2015-01-29T03:46:13Z stassats: right, it turned out to be a different thing
2015-01-29T03:46:42Z nyef: Yeah, I know what lp#1099500 WAS, and it was my fault, but I had no idea how to fix it.
2015-01-29T03:46:59Z stassats: i just had to encode where to get the frame pointer in the fun debug map
2015-01-29T03:47:12Z nyef: Sounds about right. Thank you! (-:
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2015-01-29T03:53:59Z stassats: ;; If the call is in an XEP, we might decide to make it non-tail so that we can use known return inside the component.
2015-01-29T03:55:02Z nyef: That... makes a surprising amount of sense.
2015-01-29T03:57:41Z stassats: except that calls to optionals are now not converted
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2015-01-29T03:58:54Z stassats: (defun foo (&optional x) (if x (foo) (err x)) 1) yes TCO
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2015-01-29T04:04:44Z nyef: ... No idea.
2015-01-29T04:05:24Z nyef: I might be able to spare some attention to dig into it on Friday at the earliest.
2015-01-29T04:06:35Z nyef: I should be wrapping up a good number of loose ends on my current project tomorrow.
2015-01-29T04:08:24Z stassats: so, basically calling anything before the argument processing is done is bad
2015-01-29T04:08:38Z stassats: because that would mean saves, which would mean garbage can be saved
2015-01-29T04:13:50Z stassats: ok, nothing immediate jumps out, will tackle it later
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2015-01-29T04:20:10Z stassats: another place where it's stated: SB-C::ASSIGN-RETURN-LOCATIONS
2015-01-29T04:22:09Z nyef: An XEP function is still a function.
2015-01-29T04:22:59Z stassats: but it has limited functionality
2015-01-29T04:23:25Z nyef: It's similar to the unwind-protect landing-pad thing: It's a small wrapper function that calls a local function and exists primarily so the compiler has a hook to hang some specific functionality from.
2015-01-29T04:23:38Z nyef: ... has a hook from which to hang some specific functionality.
2015-01-29T04:23:49Z nyef: ... has an infinitive to split.
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2015-01-29T04:25:32Z stassats: and if it's still a function, why does it need such a special treatment?
2015-01-29T04:26:33Z nyef: Because it has special entry and/or exit semantics.
2015-01-29T04:26:52Z nyef: Consider the entry semantics for an unwind-protect cleanup function.
2015-01-29T04:27:04Z nyef: Not the local function, the wrapper.
2015-01-29T04:27:27Z nyef: It starts with an NLX-ENTRY... Or was it a UWP-ENTRY? Something like that.
2015-01-29T04:28:27Z nyef: It's a different style of entry point than that of a local function.
2015-01-29T04:28:31Z stassats: special entry semantics? well, nothing else can be entered, so it's the only thing that has entry semantics
2015-01-29T04:28:52Z nyef: Local calls can at least be recursive.
2015-01-29T04:29:35Z stassats: ok, i think i see what it's trying to do
2015-01-29T04:30:10Z stassats: since XEP are also the only things that have exit semantics
2015-01-29T04:30:54Z stassats: and the local function it jumps to needs to have the same exit semantics, otherwise it doesn't fit
2015-01-29T04:32:16Z stassats: so it needs to force the semantics on the local return instead
2015-01-29T04:33:14Z nyef: XEPs are the only things with non-local exit semantics.
2015-01-29T04:33:41Z nyef: UWPs effectively tail-call %CONTINUE-UNWIND, and local functions, well, have local exit semantics
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2015-01-29T04:37:40Z stassats: so, currently, sb-c::recognize-self-calls with a non-tail self call is not an optimization, but a pessimization
2015-01-29T04:48:21Z nyef: Okay, I'm about out of time for tonight, and since you usually sign off before I do it must be getting late for you as well.
2015-01-29T04:48:40Z stassats: or it's getting early
2015-01-29T04:49:07Z nyef: That's not an improvement.
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2015-01-29T14:30:07Z stassats: how bad would it be to to always use :unknown returns when a function has XEPs?
2015-01-29T14:30:33Z stassats: the XEPs become much better, the local calls slightly worse
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2015-01-29T14:40:15Z stassats: also better for debugging
2015-01-29T14:44:34Z stassats: i think better debugging wins here
2015-01-29T14:48:11Z stassats: and i'm done with the debugger, all three issues seem to be resolved, now i need to go back to CIF and DX-allocation
2015-01-29T14:50:22Z nyef: stassats: Congratulations.
2015-01-29T14:50:48Z stassats: i also want to figure CIFs, dead code and type mismatches thing
2015-01-29T14:51:54Z nyef: Oh! If you're going to be looking at dead code stuff, there's that DCE pass thing I put together that causes extra code-deletion notes for code introduced by arg-parsing.
2015-01-29T14:52:38Z stassats: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/509023 https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1036962 probably
2015-01-29T14:53:36Z stassats: can't reproduce the latter anymore
2015-01-29T14:54:47Z stassats: can't actually find the ticket i want
2015-01-29T14:54:48Z nyef: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1255782
2015-01-29T14:55:31Z stassats: good one too
2015-01-29T14:55:38Z nyef: I have a fix for that, but it causes code-deletion notes.
2015-01-29T14:56:17Z nyef: http://repo.or.cz/w/sbcl/nyef.git/shortlog/refs/heads/dce-phase
2015-01-29T14:56:25Z stassats: i also want to solve the stack-allocation-initialization-should-go-the-same-direction-as-the-stack thing
2015-01-29T14:56:33Z stassats: maybe for the next release, at least for x86-64
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2015-01-29T15:02:37Z stassats: and https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/309109 is no longer up to date
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2015-01-29T15:08:21Z stassats: ok, that was https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/309115 what i'm looking for
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2015-01-29T18:21:58Z scymtym: inspecting the process object reveals COOKIE: (1)
2015-01-29T18:22:37Z scymtym: i assume that means that one the stream-copying handlers did not properly decrement the cookie value
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