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2014-12-19T16:43:36Z daviid: hello! fyi, i'm on debian testing, sbcl 1.2.4, the following manual link is broken: http://www.lisp.org/mop
2014-12-19T16:45:55Z daviid: I wanted to say the above link is broken in the sbcl-doc 1.2.4 debian testing pkg, for info
2014-12-19T16:49:25Z daviid: i have a clos related quiz, can someone kindly help. here is a asimple example http://paste.lisp.org/+33R6 that i expect to work, but it fails. my clos memory is very rusty, so... i expect this example to work because i expect clos to call the (sef !colour) method upon class instanciation for virtually allocate slot
2014-12-19T16:49:53Z daviid: s/sef/setf
2014-12-19T16:50:30Z daviid: how can i make both virtuaql allocation _and_ initarg properlly work ?
2014-12-19T16:52:29Z daviid: [ little mistake in the paste, obviously not twice the (setf !colour) but here the getter: (defmethod !colour ((self <bar>)) (background-color self))
2014-12-19T16:53:29Z reb: You should ask general CLOS questions on #lisp, since more people are connected there.  SBCL developers hang out in #sbcl.
2014-12-19T16:53:56Z daviid: reb, but surely there is clos expert in the sbcl community right?
2014-12-19T16:54:31Z daviid: s/there is/there are
2014-12-19T16:54:51Z daviid: but ok, will do
2014-12-19T16:54:53Z daviid: tx
2014-12-19T16:55:04Z reb: The issue is wait time before someone notices your question.
2014-12-19T16:55:46Z daviid: sure, thank you for tip will try #lisp as well then
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2014-12-19T17:53:49Z daviid: is there an official sbcl implementation for :virtual slot allocation option available somewhere? [supported by the sbcl team i mean]
2014-12-19T17:55:05Z Bike: just use the mop one
2014-12-19T17:55:09Z Bike: mop is supported
2014-12-19T18:04:37Z daviid: Bike: it's not that easy and the code i tried [from lw and another i can't remember where i got it] both raise a bug at compile time. i was hoping to have a ready to try solution in sbcl
2014-12-19T18:05:21Z Bike: that's because it uses clos: instead of sb-mop: or c2mop: or something that could work on sbcl. you should learn lisp.
2014-12-19T18:06:48Z daviid: Bike: i can use what ever is recommanded, i just wanted a code to load and be abble to specify my [some of] slots as virtual.. as in the example i paste earlier
2014-12-19T18:07:43Z Bike: Use the thing you pasted in #lisp from the lw tutorial, but with mop instead of allegro's mop. if you're worried about something advanced like slot allocation you should be able to handle that.
2014-12-19T18:08:35Z Bike: mop lets you define whatever :allocation things you want. go crazy.
2014-12-19T18:08:51Z daviid: haha, tx
2014-12-19T18:09:36Z daviid: [ someone else pasted that lw code by the way, not me ]
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2014-12-19T18:17:07Z daviid: Bike: here is a code http://paste.lisp.org/+33R9 i grabed i don't remember where and when, a long time ago i think, but it raise a bug [will paste in a sec] any idea?
2014-12-19T18:19:13Z daviid: http://paste.lisp.org/+33R9/1
2014-12-19T18:20:32Z Bike: that function isn't in the mop.
2014-12-19T18:20:39Z Bike: http://www.alu.org/mop/index.html
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2014-12-19T18:21:23Z daviid: sure, but any sbcl expert could make that code working?
2014-12-19T18:21:45Z Bike: it's nothing to do with sbcl.
2014-12-19T18:22:37Z daviid: i know, i'm asking for help making this code or any other :virtual ... working for sbcl
2014-12-19T18:22:52Z daviid: a ready to use code
2014-12-19T18:23:39Z Bike: you should ask #lisp, not here, since it's not sbcl specific.
2014-12-19T18:26:36Z daviid: i am not saying it is sbcl specific Bike, i'm asking for help to make something working, or if something is working, as a ready to use code for :virtual allocation slot option, for the sbcl implementation
2014-12-19T18:27:12Z |3b|: this channel is for sbcl specific things
2014-12-19T18:27:50Z daviid: asking for a solution for the sbcl implementation is sbcl specific, isn't it?
2014-12-19T18:28:16Z pkhuong: daviid: ask #lisp.
2014-12-19T18:28:19Z Bike: no, because the solution would work on other implementations.
2014-12-19T18:28:29Z |3b|: only if it requires sbcl specific details, which MOP code shouldn't
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2014-12-19T19:37:55Z scymtym: any objections to committing something like this? http://paste.lisp.org/display/144839
2014-12-19T19:38:01Z scymtym: i couldn't come up with a test, sadly
2014-12-19T19:40:55Z pkhuong: scymtym: looks good
2014-12-19T19:42:07Z scymtym: pkhuong: thanks, i will add a NEWS entry and commit
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