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It's a constant game of "which encoding did they use for the CSV file THIS time?" Most commonly for me it's been :macintosh, :utf-8, or :cp1252, though there was a memorable occasion where it was :cp437 and there's been the occasional :latin-1 file... 2014-12-17T06:44:12Z nyef: Looks like you might want :cp1252 (or is it :cp-1252 here? I forget) 2014-12-17T06:44:22Z nyef: Oh. You left. 2014-12-17T06:44:24Z nyef: That's no good. 2014-12-17T06:45:16Z nyef: Yeah, FC (252) is lowercase-u-with-umlaut in both cp-1252 and latin-1. 2014-12-17T06:53:39Z daniel joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T06:53:56Z daniel is now known as Guest24443 2014-12-17T06:54:11Z Guest24443: hello dear sbcl-users and -gods :) 2014-12-17T06:54:34Z Bike: nyef answered your question while you left. 2014-12-17T06:54:45Z Bike: pass an :external-format when you open the file. 2014-12-17T06:54:46Z Guest24443: aaaahh, okay, i was restarting my locale 2014-12-17T06:54:57Z Guest24443: thanks :)) i will have a try 2014-12-17T06:55:10Z Bike: latin-1 or cp-1252, depends on what the file is. 2014-12-17T06:55:38Z nyef: Those two are closely related formats, but both have FC (252) as the lowercase-u-with-umlaut. 2014-12-17T06:57:14Z nyef: I think the worst file I've had to deal with, encoding wise, was when someone opened a :cp1252 file in OSX Excel, saved it as :macintosh, but managed to badly mangle all of the non-ascii characters in the file. 2014-12-17T06:57:33Z nyef: As in, collapsed them all to the same octet sequence, no matter what they were. 2014-12-17T06:58:33Z Guest24443: :D haha - slowly the crazy character-encoding-world is introducing to me. Thank you very much both 2014-12-17T06:59:29Z Guest24443: but i am still loking for the right paramter for open... do you use flexi-streams with the "-external-format" or just the sbcl's OPEN? 2014-12-17T06:59:52Z nyef: I'd say that the "chardet" utility is your friend, but it managed to mis-detect the first file I used it on as something like latin-3 or so when it was cp437, and wouldn't even read as latin-3... 2014-12-17T07:00:10Z nyef: Just SBCL, the :external-format option to OPEN or WITH-OPEN-FILE. 2014-12-17T07:02:05Z Guest24443: HEUREKA! =) haha just trying these for the last 2 hours :D 2014-12-17T07:02:50Z Guest24443: thank you very much - now i can have a break for breakfast ;) 2014-12-17T07:03:00Z nyef: Enjoy your breakfast. 2014-12-17T07:03:27Z Guest24443: thank you, wish you a very pleasant day! i will come back here soon, see you :) 2014-12-17T07:03:43Z Guest24443 quit (Quit: leaving) 2014-12-17T07:12:37Z sdemarre quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-12-17T07:12:59Z kanru quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-17T07:33:56Z nyef quit (Quit: G'night all) 2014-12-17T07:58:33Z oleo quit (Quit: Verlassend) 2014-12-17T08:02:29Z kanru joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T09:22:29Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T09:28:47Z edgar-rft joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T10:21:05Z echo-area quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-17T11:08:19Z attila_lendvai quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2014-12-17T11:27:04Z nikki93 quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-12-17T11:27:40Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T11:45:44Z nikki93 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-12-17T11:46:13Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T12:34:38Z hzp joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T13:05:41Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-17T13:06:16Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T13:10:41Z nikki93 quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-12-17T13:42:38Z specbot quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-17T13:42:38Z minion quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-17T13:48:11Z pranavrc quit 2014-12-17T14:02:59Z specbot joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T14:03:35Z minion joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T14:23:41Z ivan4th quit (Quit: Coyote finally caught me) 2014-12-17T14:29:25Z oleo joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T14:34:48Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T14:39:12Z nikki93 quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-12-17T14:47:22Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T14:48:28Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-17T14:49:02Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T14:53:20Z nikki93 quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2014-12-17T15:11:39Z ivan4th joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T15:18:04Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T15:19:09Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-17T15:19:42Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T15:24:29Z nikki93 quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-12-17T15:38:37Z eudoxia joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T17:23:48Z snuglas joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T17:26:11Z snuglas: how do people feel about removing pprint-newlines from print-unreadable-object (lp#1398290)? I'm in favor of removal, ergo, against what change 8ac416 said was the right thing 2014-12-17T17:32:06Z gingerale joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T17:38:58Z Krystof: do you also think that it would be good if system-provided print-object methods which use print-unreadable-object inserted pprint-newlines? 2014-12-17T18:15:40Z snuglas quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2014-12-17T18:22:01Z irsol quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-12-17T18:29:13Z irsol joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T18:32:35Z snuglas joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T18:33:36Z snuglas: i don't mind what system-provided methods do. it's the empty body case that I'm opposed to at present. # is seldom-to-never what I want, even if it was at the right margin. 2014-12-17T18:35:03Z snuglas: The case against that is you're writing something that writes to a file where generally you want the pprinter facilities, you you specifically want some unprintable objects to show on one line each, never injecting their own newline. At present there's no easy way to achieve that except by breaking out of your otherwise beautiful FORMAT control string, binding *print-pretty* to NIL, then calling the printer for that thing. 2014-12-17T18:35:10Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T18:35:19Z attila_lendvai quit (Changing host) 2014-12-17T18:35:19Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T18:46:00Z Krystof: your otherwise beautiful format control is likely to resemble line noise :) but I see the point 2014-12-17T19:00:28Z snuglas quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2014-12-17T19:10:09Z rszeno joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T19:21:18Z ASau quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-17T19:22:44Z ASau joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T19:43:37Z rszeno quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-12-17T19:59:29Z rszeno joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T20:01:09Z oleo quit (Quit: Verlassend) 2014-12-17T20:02:20Z oleo joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T20:02:53Z oleo quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2014-12-17T20:05:14Z oleo joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T20:15:25Z gingerale quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-12-17T20:24:27Z rszeno quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2014-12-17T20:38:24Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T20:42:31Z oleo is now known as Guest5890 2014-12-17T20:46:02Z Guest5890 quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-12-17T20:48:18Z pppp2 joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T20:50:01Z oleo__ joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T20:52:00Z nikki93 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-17T20:52:36Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T20:53:37Z oleo__ is now known as oleo 2014-12-17T20:57:10Z nikki93 quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-12-17T21:05:27Z snuglas joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T21:17:29Z fe[nl]ix quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-12-17T21:18:01Z snuglas quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2014-12-17T21:19:29Z fe[nl]ix joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T21:36:19Z eudoxia_ joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T21:36:59Z eudoxia_ quit (Client Quit) 2014-12-17T21:39:43Z eudoxia quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-12-17T21:40:39Z Bicyclidine joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T21:43:04Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T21:50:39Z pppp2 quit (Read error: No route to host) 2014-12-17T22:01:09Z nikki93 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-12-17T22:01:33Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T22:02:32Z sdemarre joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T22:07:20Z nikki93 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-12-17T22:07:51Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T22:11:32Z nikki93 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-12-17T22:11:41Z nikki93 joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T22:30:17Z sdemarre quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-12-17T22:30:47Z nikki93_ joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T22:30:52Z nikki93 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-12-17T22:37:46Z Bicyclidine quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-12-17T22:39:02Z nikki93_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-17T22:40:38Z Bicyclidine joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T22:50:56Z eudoxia joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T23:14:29Z scymtym_ joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T23:25:22Z eudoxia quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-12-17T23:39:49Z edgar-rft quit (Quit: connection disappeared into paranoid confusion) 2014-12-17T23:41:54Z Bicyclidine quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-17T23:43:01Z Bicyclidine joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T23:51:24Z eudoxia joined #sbcl 2014-12-17T23:59:15Z scymtym_ quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)