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2014-12-12T12:49:03Z ivan4th: hello. the following fails with '/tmp/out.txt doesn't exist' error unless I remove :if-output-exists argument. Is this the expected behavior? http://paste.lisp.org/display/144677
2014-12-12T12:55:56Z Krystof: should it fail with "/tmp/out.txt already exists" instead?
2014-12-12T12:57:15Z ivan4th: sorry, I mean it fails if /tmp/out doesn't exist
2014-12-12T12:58:32Z ivan4th: I think :if-output-exists shouldn't affect the case when the file doesn't exist
2014-12-12T12:58:55Z Krystof: I would tend to agree with you
2014-12-12T12:59:42Z ivan4th: so, looks like it's a bug?
2014-12-12T13:01:50Z ivan4th: maybe :if-does-not-exist :create wouldn't harm there: https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl/blob/master/src/code/run-program.lisp#L836 and a few lines below for :error ?
2014-12-12T13:02:12Z ivan4th: or will it have some adverse side effects?
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2014-12-12T14:49:35Z ivan4th: o.k. let's put it this way: https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl/pull/8
2014-12-12T14:51:57Z stassats: sbcl doesn't accept pull requests
2014-12-12T14:52:42Z ivan4th: I saw a couple of closed pull requests there, so I thought it does. Anyway, that's just two lines to change
2014-12-12T14:53:35Z stassats: use launchpad
2014-12-12T14:56:07Z ivan4th: hmmm, having to register a launchpad account just to submit a two-line patch... smells of bureaucracy :) but ok, will do it
2014-12-12T14:56:22Z stassats: use sbcl-devel@
2014-12-12T14:56:37Z stassats: having 5 different ways of submitting patches smells like madness
2014-12-12T15:01:49Z joshe: of course, there is the question of why not just use the github tools?
2014-12-12T15:01:56Z ivan4th: submitted the patch to sbcl-devel
2014-12-12T15:02:11Z stassats: joshe: shall we change with each new fad?
2014-12-12T15:02:34Z stassats: joshe: and force all the people to adopt new and incompatible tools?
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2014-12-12T15:02:51Z joshe: we seemed to have adopted this git fad
2014-12-12T15:03:21Z stassats: you were for using cvs?
2014-12-12T15:03:21Z joshe: anyway, I was mostly wondering about ditching sourceforge, not launchpad
2014-12-12T15:04:14Z joshe: I think so, iirc my first patches were 1.0.12 or so
2014-12-12T15:04:26Z joshe: but maybe I'm confusing projects
2014-12-12T15:05:05Z ivan4th: CL syntax highlighting sucks after recent changes at github, I must say... Other than that, it seems to be ok
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2014-12-12T15:08:04Z ivan4th: github is older than quicklisp btw :) well, I know, I know, sbcl doesn't need quicklisp
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2014-12-12T16:31:11Z Krystof: we adopted git after several years of hemming and hawing, and lots of practice and trial runs
2014-12-12T16:31:26Z Krystof: I personally don't like the github pull request stuff, because it involves web browsers
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2014-12-12T17:06:21Z ivan4th: Krystof: it's possible to make pull requests from command line. https://hub.github.com/ They're also can be automatically sent via e-mail to project maintainers. It's possible to close them by merging in the changes.
2014-12-12T17:06:23Z ivan4th: But ok, this doesn't solve all the problems, as one still has to use browser to comment on pull requests and close them without merging.
2014-12-12T17:07:57Z fe[nl]ix: ivan4th: you can use the email interface
2014-12-12T17:08:59Z ivan4th: ok... so, there's actually no need to use web browser to manage pull requests
2014-12-12T17:11:36Z Krystof: that is good
2014-12-12T17:14:41Z fe[nl]ix: I use a little git trick that fetches github pull requests as local refs in the pr/ namespace
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2014-12-12T17:52:46Z fe[nl]ix: ivan4th, Krystof: https://gist.github.com/sionescu/68f13b7d44d5da391da8
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2014-12-12T18:02:17Z ivan4th: fe[nl]ix: thanks!
2014-12-12T18:08:00Z fe[nl]ix: that said, recently github's interface has become so fast that I don't mind using it any more
2014-12-12T18:08:19Z fe[nl]ix: when I push a commit, the browser page gets updated within 2 seconds
2014-12-12T18:08:33Z fe[nl]ix: before I switch from the terminal to the browser
2014-12-12T18:09:00Z stassats: 2 seconds, that's like eternety!
2014-12-12T18:11:32Z ivan4th: fe[nl]ix: perhaps that's because they don't do proper syntax highlighting with pygments anymore :)
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2014-12-12T20:37:14Z kami: Good evening
2014-12-12T20:37:28Z kami: pkhuong: thank you for http://www.pvk.ca/Blog/2013/04/13/starting-to-hack-on-sbcl/
2014-12-12T20:38:58Z kami: I just asked jsnell about his shake-lisp-and-die (https://www.snellman.net/blog/archive/2005-07-06.html)
2014-12-12T20:39:20Z kami: Has anybody taken that idea further in the mean time?
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2014-12-12T20:42:49Z pkhuong: kami: I wrote a fake GC in lisp to dump minimal cores
2014-12-12T20:43:03Z pkhuong: I think I got it down to a couple 100 KB by doing everything via sb-alien
2014-12-12T20:43:29Z pkhuong: the problem is that anything interesting brings in PCL (CLOS) which brings in the compiler and the type system
2014-12-12T20:45:34Z pkhuong: Oh yeah. I also had to replace references to error calls with stubs that drop straight to ldb
2014-12-12T20:46:26Z kami: pkhuong: and the compiler is needed when loading a dumped core with clos objects?
2014-12-12T20:48:11Z akkad: is this the project ams is working on to port clojure to sbcl?
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2014-12-12T21:17:46Z nikki___: guys sbcl is sweet, good work
2014-12-12T21:17:47Z nikki___: lisp is great
2014-12-12T21:22:26Z Krystof: you could jettison the compiler in PCL by precomputing everything, probably
2014-12-12T21:22:31Z Krystof: it would suck
2014-12-12T21:23:57Z jsnell: that old prototype precomputed the dfuns, iirc
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2014-12-12T21:44:26Z |3b|: how performance sensitive are the things it compiles, would one of the interpreters/evaluators be enough?
2014-12-12T21:44:51Z |3b|: (assuming any of them would actually be smaller)
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2014-12-12T22:01:24Z pkhuong: |3b|: one of the new interpreters (not merged yet) might work
2014-12-12T22:02:46Z Krystof: ah yes!
2014-12-12T22:03:02Z Krystof: I knew I had some role to play for making people miserable over the holidays
2014-12-12T22:03:09Z pkhuong: oh yes
2014-12-12T22:03:16Z Krystof: ho ho ho
2014-12-12T22:03:17Z pkhuong: you and my advisor both ;)
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2014-12-12T22:08:05Z |3b|: possibly combined with some way to extract which precomputable things were actually used in a particular run so they could be expanded before dumping an image
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2014-12-12T23:06:13Z ams: .. i am? :-)
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