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Any suggestions? 01:32:13 wrong channel 01:32:31 you want #lisp but i think ironclad has it? 01:33:12 yeah, I think ironclad has full support for DSA, but only partial support for RSA. 01:48:35 -!- snamich [~snamich@50-1-50-233.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:26 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has joined #sbcl 02:05:36 snamich [~snamich@50-1-50-233.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com] has joined #sbcl 02:11:26 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:11:52 Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has joined #sbcl 02:14:12 huh, if i take old cut-to-width, and swap mask-signed-field and (ldb (byte width 0) ..) around in constant-cutting, i don't get any of the Marsden's failures 02:15:43 the problem with mask-signed-field => if the left-most bit is 1, it will give a negative value, and when it later is passed to TWO-ARG-AND on a bignum, it will drag the bits which were otherwise ignored if only the first digit was considered, hence a failure 02:15:52 andreh_ [~andreh@177.133.24.51.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #sbcl 02:20:49 and the reverse is happening with negative values, LDB will return a positive value, which will produce wrong result in multiplication 02:24:04 stassats: and when the result is actually signed? 02:27:42 i'm not quiet sure how that part works 02:30:51 that's why you need to cut with signed and unsigned correctly at the leaves. 02:32:41 i don't quite when it ever needs to cut the constant into a negative value 02:33:20 from a positive value 02:33:40 signed shift. 02:47:19 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f65180.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:48:56 still don't get it, the sign bits would be ignored, wouldn't they? 03:01:02 prxq [~mommer@x2f6c049.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #sbcl 03:02:54 maybe deep into nested subexpressions cutting things explicitly is a good thing, and the only solution would be to make mask-signed-field not suck, be static, etc. 03:03:08 echo-area [~user@182.92.253.6] has joined #sbcl 03:10:58 nyef [~nyef@pool-64-222-145-64.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #sbcl 03:11:13 Good evening all. 03:12:39 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #sbcl 03:13:19 A method of narrowing things down to just VOPs involving the elsewhere segment (or a specific failing VOP) came to me while I was waiting for a train this afternoon, so I roughed in the code for doing the check in a single build while I was on the train, and then I audited for uses of the elsewhere segment. 03:16:08 I'm running a build now. Depending on how it fails (because it won't succeed), I'll either have a stupid bug to fix in my own hack, a specific failing VOP, or an indication that MULTIPLE-CALL-LOCAL is broken. 03:19:10 kanru` [~kanru@114-32-24-38.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #sbcl 03:21:06 maybe specialized versions of mask-signed-field could work, for 62/63/64 03:23:21 Oh, and I'm thinking to try and run a PPC build with all of the same debugging noise that I'm currently using, and to cross-check any fix that I find for SPARC against the PPC backend, just in case. 03:24:40 And for more fun, I suspect that it might be possible to use PART of the scheduler logic to annotate x86oid instructions for running these tests as well, even without enabling the full scheduler (which, as I have said before, is WEAK). 03:26:14 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:38:23 -!- christoph_debian [~christoph@ppp-88-217-32-14.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:52:15 -!- snamich [~snamich@50-1-50-233.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:52:39 christoph_debian [~christoph@ppp-88-217-35-192.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #sbcl 04:22:18 snamich [~snamich@50-1-50-233.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com] has joined #sbcl 04:27:53 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-64-222-145-64.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 04:35:22 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.217.60] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:38:26 -!- andreh_ [~andreh@177.133.24.51.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:41:31 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:46:23 -!- vince` [~user@cpe-24-58-62-229.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:37:10 -!- Vivitron`` [~Vivitron`@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:00:40 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #sbcl 06:04:20 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #sbcl 06:07:20 Vivitron [~Vivitron@c-50-172-44-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 06:31:05 -!- davazp [~user@221.Red-79-153-99.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:42:14 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-84-44-153-27.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:42:40 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-189-205.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 06:47:59 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 07:01:17 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:55 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 07:06:21 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:47:45 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:48:42 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 08:02:42 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:11:21 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:18:30 -!- kanru` [~kanru@114-32-24-38.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:27:08 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has joined #sbcl 08:32:22 -!- |3b| [bbb@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:5b65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:33:07 |3b|` [bbb@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:5b65] has joined #sbcl 08:35:52 -!- |3b|` is now known as |3b| 08:40:55 -!- snamich [~snamich@50-1-50-233.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [] 08:50:36 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 08:54:18 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:56:35 pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #sbcl 08:58:56 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:06:45 -!- xymox [lechuck@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:08:08 poglesby_ [~poglesbyg@uib-guest.uib.no] has joined #sbcl 09:08:27 xymox [lechuck@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #sbcl 09:10:35 -!- poglesby_ [~poglesbyg@uib-guest.uib.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:11:36 poglesbyg_ [~poglesbyg@uib-guest.uib.no] has joined #sbcl 09:13:14 -!- pnpuff [~harmonic@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [] 09:14:30 -!- xymox [lechuck@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:16:31 xymox [lechuck@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #sbcl 09:32:13 -!- poglesbyg_ [~poglesbyg@uib-guest.uib.no] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz] 16:15:40 is there any preffered operating system for sbcl devs?i am a cl noob and just started learning cl , i will buy a virtual machine but i don't know which one (linux freebsd solaris etc) will be less problematic and which one will have advantages over the others.any ideas? 16:16:11 i will do web app development on that virtual machine... 16:22:55 Most of us use an x86oid linux system, but if you want to get into actual SBCL development then we'd try and talk you into working with one of the more obscure setups so that it gets some love. 16:24:12 As far as using SBCL to do stuff goes, the x86oid backends are the more thoroughly tested ones, and the Linux OS support likewise. 16:24:42 And if you're looking to do web app development, try to maintain a parallel between your deployment environment and your development environment. 16:26:06 (At the dayjob, we have debian wheezy servers and I use a debian wheezy build box, but my development system is slightly newer, which means that I can't deploy straight from my development system, I have to transfer everything to the build box to get a system that runs on the servers, which is a nuisance.) 16:26:56 Oh, and don't buy a VM right off, just use virtualbox on your local system to start with while you learn your way around. 16:28:25 in fact i want to buy a VM right off :) because i think that i will force me to do something because i paid money :) 16:28:42 (Or use some other virtualization software if you're not a fan of virtualbox, but my point still stands about not spending the money until it'll actually do you some good.) 16:29:02 no i have virtualbox setup right now 16:33:38 Last I checked RAM on VMs is expensive, and SBCL loves its memory. 16:35:18 pkhuong: Ah, just the person I wanted to talk to. What do you think about the idea of introducing a phi-node setup in IR1 to protect against the case of a non-local entry and a normal code block both trying to assign to the same multiple-value lvar? 16:35:42 none of our IR can handle that kind thing. 16:36:01 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has joined #sbcl 16:36:24 Yeah, exactly. But we need it at the IR1 level for that one weird bug involving non-local entry and multiple-values. 16:36:35 how about locally CPSing instead? 16:37:01 can we spin off a local function that only receives the MV lvar? 16:37:31 Hrm. 16:38:18 We might already be doing that, with the resulting function getting let-converted, and then the lvar lifetime analysis getting confuzzled. 16:39:01 Alternately, do we have a node that will simply set one LVAR to the contents of another? 16:39:56 ... might be able to do that with a "funny" function, I guess. 16:45:03 Or just an APPLY of VALUES... I might have an angle there. 16:45:27 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53:53 yeah, m-v-call goes into a function and only eventually elts convert 16:54:00 I'd try to find a way to disable let conversion. 16:57:54 poglesbyg_ [~poglesbyg@ti0020a400-0444.bb.online.no] has joined #sbcl 16:58:39 -!- poglesbyg_ [~poglesbyg@ti0020a400-0444.bb.online.no] has quit [Client Quit] 16:59:14 Okay, I might start digging into this again once I'm finished with (or tired of) trying to get the SPARC backend working again. 17:27:40 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #sbcl 17:37:04 poglesbyg_ [~poglesbyg@ti0020a400-0444.bb.online.no] has joined #sbcl 17:37:31 -!- poglesbyg_ [~poglesbyg@ti0020a400-0444.bb.online.no] has quit [Client Quit] 18:19:46 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:28:18 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.201.5.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:50:28 poglesbyg_ [~poglesbyg@ti0020a400-0444.bb.online.no] has joined #sbcl 19:01:48 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-189-205.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:02:32 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-197-216.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 19:06:29 -!- poglesbyg_ [~poglesbyg@ti0020a400-0444.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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