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[~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 09:18:52 Note to self in the morning, *LOAD-TRUENAME* tends to be NIL when not doing LOAD. 09:32:38 -!- kludge` [~comet@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:36:36 kludge` [~comet@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined #sbcl 09:42:29 Hmph, say you have a logical pathname translation setup for FOO, what would people expect (merge-pathnames (make-pathname :type "lisp") "FOO:zork") to return? Getting two different results from sbcl/cmucl and clisp ... no idea about gcl, acl, lw, ecl, ... 09:43:08 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:47:10 abcl returns the same as clisp 09:59:46 hmph... i think sbcl/cmucl is buggy here 10:08:45 -!- ASau [~user@p5083D6A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: reboot] 10:12:57 ASau [~user@p5083D6A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 10:18:52 ams: you might have difficulty proving that from the spec, which is self-contradictory 10:20:46 Krystof: i know :/ 10:22:14 the problem is that (make-pathname :type "lisp") returns a physical pathname 10:22:22 "The resulting pathname is a logical pathname if and only its host component is a logical host or a string that names a defined logical host. " 10:24:10 I was going to say that you could try (merge-pathnames ".lisp" "FOO:zork") but that doesn't work either 10:24:24 (merge-pathnames "irrelevant.lisp" "FOO:zork" does 10:24:29 well it does if you close the brackets 10:26:10 sometimes i love logicalpathnames, other days i want to kill them ... 10:26:41 Krystof: for now, i'm just doing (merge-pathname (make-pathname ...) (translate-logical-pathname ...)) which seems to be fine 10:26:54 that's fine until your lpn translations become a bit exotic 10:27:39 because the pattern-matching is quite full-featured, in principle translating to physical early can give different results 10:27:43 Krystof: yeah, trying not to do that ... old old software i am porting to more cl sanity 10:27:52 oh old old software porting 10:27:53 fair enough 10:27:59 there be demons. Good luck! 10:28:04 :-) 10:28:16 can anyone think of any reason that I shouldn't release sbcl today? 10:28:24 Krystof: halloween? 10:29:10 if we're doing codenames it might be "a plague on both your houses" 10:31:01 I've been feeling like I have the plague for the last month porting this ... Always interesting corners. 10:33:15 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:38:44 -!- easye` [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:39:34 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 11:13:11 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:40:51 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:43:02 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 11:48:27 pkhuong: ping 11:51:35 -!- ivan`` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:58:52 ivan`` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #sbcl 12:09:31 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 12:13:50 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:18:07 is it ok that when I install the latest sbcl binary I get errors when requiring systems like sb-posix or sb-grovel? 12:18:34 with a fresh install of sbcl 1.1.12 I don't have any kind of error 12:19:56 with 1.1.13 I get "Don't know how to REQUIRE SB-POSIX." 12:20:48 it is not OK 12:21:06 how could I investigate the problem further? 12:21:43 I bet it's the new magic contrib location stuff 12:22:07 sounds like 12:22:13 huh, no, I just installed it and it worked for me 12:22:26 oh but wait maybe binary-release doesn't have the relevant files 12:23:03 ah 12:23:15 no, that doesn't look like it either 12:23:35 is it just sb-posix and sb-grovel? Can you try sb-cltl2 and sb-bsd-sockets? 12:23:56 let me try 12:24:24 also, can you try with --no-userinit --no-sysinit? 12:25:02 also also, check whether you have SBCL_HOME set 12:25:04 fails on sb-cltl2 and bsd sockets too 12:25:13 ok, does it work on anything? 12:26:17 I don't have SBCL_HOME set 12:26:23 I would break SBCL 1.1.12 too 12:27:18 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 12:27:23 wait 12:27:25 so how are you running sbcl-1.1.13? 12:27:35 asdf:*central-registry* gives error 12:27:44 "Package ASDF does not exist" 12:27:49 the binaries provided aren't coinstallable 12:28:02 I simply did sudo sh install.sh 12:29:06 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29:40 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 12:31:22 I downloaded it again, did sudo sh install.sh 12:31:41 but it seems that the asdf package does not exist 12:32:41 it doesn't need to exist 12:32:54 what does (sbcl-homedir-pathname) return? 12:34:03 #P"/usr/local/lib/sbcl/" 12:34:03 19 12:34:10 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 12:34:20 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:34:54 does the file /usr/local/lib/sbcl/contrib/sb-posix.fasl exist? 12:36:01 no 12:36:06 they all reside in /usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-*/sb-*.fasl 12:36:08 not under contrib 12:37:10 e.g. /usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-posix/sb-posix.fasl 12:38:29 I think I know what the problem is 12:38:31 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38:42 is it in the install.sh file? 12:38:49 the script to make the binary tarball doesn't include the test-passed files 12:39:11 so the install script thinks that all the contribs failed, and doesn't install them 12:39:34 ah 12:39:53 but you said the binary install worked for you 12:40:02 yes, but I ran it from my build tree 12:40:10 I see 12:40:48 I'll build it from sources than 12:41:59 and I will spend my lunchbreak remaking the tarball 12:42:19 sorry :| 12:42:26 no, not your fault 12:42:39 I mean, except in the general sense that someone could test making releases before I do it 12:42:46 arguably that someone should be me anyway 12:42:50 so, yeah :-) 12:43:00 :) 12:44:23 let me know if you need to test anything 12:49:34 could you try installing http://www.doc.gold.ac.uk/~mas01cr/tmp/sbcl-1.1.13-binary.tar.gz ? 12:49:40 sure 12:49:42 it's x86-64 as before 12:53:52 still the same 12:53:56 can't require 12:54:21 and the contrib folder does not exist under /usr/local/lib/sbcl/ 12:56:28 yes, fair point, working on it :-) 12:57:09 the contrib folder of your tar.gz is empty 12:57:55 well, not quite empty 12:57:58 it has .mk 12:58:06 yes sorry 12:58:12 but that's actually "expected"; the files have gone elsewhere 13:01:03 could you apply http://www.doc.gold.ac.uk/~mas01cr/tmp/inst.diff to your unpacked tarball, then try running sh install.sh again? 13:01:18 ok 13:01:51 -!- psilord [~psilord@c-69-180-173-249.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:05:15 make: *** contrib/asdf: No such file or directory. Stop. 13:05:22 gnargh 13:05:28 :| 13:05:37 ok. I clearly need to look at this carefully 13:07:41 I'll be back in a while 13:07:56 at work here they're imposing me to use Windows 8 via an USB pen... 13:07:58 no comment 13:12:44 Blkt: next attempt: 13:24:18 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-143-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #sbcl 13:25:56 back 13:27:12 it works now :D 13:27:14 \o/ 13:28:30 yes, quicklisp and hunchentoot work again 13:42:13 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 14:12:12 psilord [~pkeller@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #sbcl 14:35:30 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-182-118.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 14:40:13 tylergoza [~quassel@user-24-96-98-239.knology.net] has joined #sbcl 14:41:56 right 14:47:41 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:16 *stassats* installs sbcl once in three years 14:49:50 though, my setup got broken by the new contribs too 14:52:40 ok, new version should be uploaded to sourceforge 14:53:04 let me try 14:53:25 thanks! I have to give a lecture now, so I won't be able to fix things up very quickly 14:53:51 no problem 14:53:56 for me at least... 14:54:08 might also want to check whether I've correctly done the crypto stuff 14:54:18 it's normally scripted, so this was the first time I've had to think about it in ages 14:54:26 (i.e. check my signature, check the sha256sum) 14:54:48 does anybody bother with it? 14:55:24 Krystof: everything ok with new tar 14:55:28 yay 14:57:16 regarding SOME/EVERY, consing and stack allocation 14:57:40 maybe implementing them directly in terms of MAP is not such a bright idea 14:58:56 having %some, which does iteration inlined, with termination tests not causing non local exits up the stack, should be better 14:59:17 not require stack allocation and reduce code at invocation side 15:01:38 *stassats* is too lazy to make changes longer than 5 lines 15:02:59 and having more of day job doesn't help there 15:18:47 drmeister 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http://www.1024cores.net/home/relacy-race-detector seems to do just that 19:46:34 and GC can be tested by having pointers into protected pages and checking whether it visited something unreachable/not visited what it had to visit 19:50:04 and a generic thread interleaver could be used by user programs, not just by sbcl 19:50:54 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #sbcl 19:51:37 zeus [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #sbcl 19:52:00 -!- zeus is now known as samskulls 19:54:43 tcr opened a ticket for that a long time ago. 19:57:32 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:57:54 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:01:02 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:42 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-58.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 20:07:50 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