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You might be missing some contribs 01:57:00 I think if you just kill the SBCL that spins, the rest will build. 01:57:01 hmm ok. 01:57:18 oh. thanks pkhuong :) 01:57:27 please let me buy you a beer 01:58:02 sb-bsd-sockets and sb-posix did not build, or failed tests... but it seemed only the tests are a problem. 01:58:05 here's hoping it works. 02:00:31 are the contribs built into the core/exe or do i have to copy some binaries? 02:01:26 ah. 02:02:34 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #sbcl 02:05:56 ok pkhuong , sbcl.exe runs 02:06:06 now.... to try compiling the game 02:08:07 installing quicklisp... 02:11:12 ok that worked. it's a bit stuck on loading quicklisp after installation though, when loading setup.lisp, it starts compiling some QL functions and then complains that it can't find /home/dto/quicklisp/setup.lisp <---- unix file name 02:11:15 i think i can fix this. 02:15:55 ah yes. 02:15:58 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 02:19:52 hmm . 02:22:17 that's my mistake 02:22:46 working :) 02:28:35 now game is compiling too. 02:32:09 game EXE works. great. thanks pkhuong. 02:32:16 now to test that new addressing scheme on windows. 02:32:28 i mean, new address. 02:39:09 -!- christoph_debian [~christoph@ppp-188-174-76-162.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:46:40 ok pkhuong it works on Windows Vista 32-bit. that's a good sign thus far 02:46:46 doing some other testing. 02:53:38 christoph_debian [~christoph@ppp-188-174-91-55.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #sbcl 02:58:25 Bike_ [~Glossina@174-25-43-108.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 03:00:59 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-43-108.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:01:02 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 03:13:21 i've found a few friends online with 64-bit windows, and tomorrow i'll test it on my dad's PC, and we'll see whats up. if it works everywhere, this will be an extraordinary victory for SBCL :) 03:13:44 thanks so much for your help pkhuong 03:27:02 5 beers for pkhuong 03:44:02 i gave the PROPER-LIST-OF-LENGTH-P optimization mentioned a few days ago a shot and, predictably, ran into the "mutability of conses" problem. the initial code is here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138174 03:44:40 pkhuong: you said the mutability problem was "interesting" (not unsolvable) which lead me to hoping that you have a solution in mind 03:46:00 dto: good to hear 03:46:18 scymtym: I think lvar-conservative-type will be conservative enough for p-l-o-l-p. 03:46:36 and yet also precise enough to be useful in some cases. 03:46:58 it definitely seems to be conservative enough 03:47:05 no, not precise enough. 03:47:09 but i could not find cases in which it was precise enough 03:48:57 it's also wrong... 03:51:10 I think the best way will be to emit some form that compiles to nothing but emits (style?) warnings, within d-bind 03:51:54 or to have a version of p-l-o-l-p that returns the list on success. 03:52:34 ^ to prevent more than one ref for the lvar? 03:52:38 right 03:52:46 well, not for the lvar, but the value. 03:52:48 Quadrescence: agreed. 03:53:28 i think, i couldn't get the use-count-based test to work, but i will re-try 03:53:53 scymtym: multiple-use values are bound to lambda-vars, and each use is a ref to the lambda-var. 03:54:05 it's essential that lvars have at most one use. 03:54:21 well, dest, in python-speak. 03:55:25 pkhuong: i will have to learn some more python first, then 03:55:33 thanks for the feedback so far 03:57:08 pkhuong: does the method you suggested have a chance to detect cases like in the annotation of the paste? 03:57:45 with set (setf (cdr z) ) enabled, i mean 03:58:44 no. 03:59:15 well, what do you mean, detect? It should be conservative. 03:59:38 pkhuong: just for reference, that address is also used on the win32 threads fork: https://github.com/akovalenko/sbcl-win32-threads/blob/mswin/src/compiler/x86/parms.lisp 04:00:28 my understanding is that the transform should give in such a case because the assignment make the derived type of z unsafe and the conservative type of z is not precise enough 04:00:36 s/give/give up/ 04:01:05 scymtym: right. 04:06:20 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-219-218.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 04:09:19 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-43-108.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:09:23 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 04:13:03 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-232-1.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 04:13:32 -!- dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has left #sbcl 04:15:33 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-219-218.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:15:45 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 04:37:07 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-144-204.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:59:57 pnpuff- [~v_@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #sbcl 05:01:22 pkhuong: i think, i got something working; see two most recent annotations of the previous paste 05:02:01 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:04:32 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 05:04:41 scymtym: I'm guessing it should be check-proper-... and signal itself. 05:05:39 that way the transform can warn. 05:05:52 otherwise, we'll see warnings in other places that use the predicate 05:08:22 the transform could be improved, but the basic logic is there. 05:08:32 pkhuong: great 05:08:34 lvar-conservative-type seems like the right thing, fwiw. 05:08:56 i don't understand 05:09:08 l-c-t is always (cons t t), as far as i can tell 05:09:11 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:11:50 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d010a6a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #sbcl 05:12:53 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.134.139] has joined #sbcl 05:13:07 pkhuong: or did you suggest adding the new logic to l-c-t instead of p-l-o-f-p to make l-c-t conservative only when necessary? 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09:28:27 style-warning is from the CL package 09:28:51 ah 09:29:22 are you trying to muffle a load-time or compile-time warning? 09:29:27 runtime 09:29:33 hang on 09:29:43 then muffle-conditions isn't the tool 09:30:08 well, the muffle-conditions declaration isn't the tool 09:30:11 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=i56ULsKA 09:30:18 clhs muffle-warning/r 09:30:18 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/r_muffle.htm 09:30:39 yacks [~py@103.6.158.102] has joined #sbcl 09:30:41 ah. thanks stassats 09:31:02 or you could fix the code instead 09:32:34 oh. it isn't clear what i should do though. it's giving :keywords 09:33:57 and i cant seem to figure out which ones are doing it 09:34:04 which of my calls, i mean. 09:36:00 one moment. 09:36:05 thanks for your help stassats 09:42:59 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.158.102] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:46:25 stassats: thanks. that works. 09:57:15 jarod_ch_ [~jarod_che@115.192.190.206] has joined #sbcl 10:05:02 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #sbcl 10:14:30 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:16:35 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #sbcl 10:20:14 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #sbcl 10:31:39 -!- dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:36:52 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #sbcl 10:49:23 -!- Kromitvs [~quassel@mcqueen.rnl.ist.utl.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:55:54 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:00:55 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #sbcl 11:01:30 tcr [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 11:09:20 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 11:11:29 -!- pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:17:07 pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #sbcl 11:29:09 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:39:56 Kromitvs [~quassel@mcqueen.rnl.ist.utl.pt] has joined #sbcl 11:53:39 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:05:54 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #sbcl 12:25:30 yacks [~py@103.6.158.102] has joined #sbcl 12:51:26 -!- jarod_ch_ [~jarod_che@115.192.190.206] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 12:51:49 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.134.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:04:15 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.134.139] has joined #sbcl 13:19:15 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-233-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #sbcl 13:22:23 -!- pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #sbcl 13:37:09 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 13:42:31 teggi [~teggi@123.25.130.142] has joined #sbcl 13:50:06 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-135-178.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 13:52:10 nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 13:53:17 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has joined #sbcl 14:03:06 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:12:39 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #sbcl 14:14:35 could anyone explain me how does cl:length compilation works? 14:15:54 Blkt: which part? 14:16:05 it's a static function, so it's a bit special 14:16:10 ah 14:16:11 well 14:16:19 I was looking at this https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1171223 14:16:35 (since the defmacro one was already taken) 14:16:44 and I started M-. on length 14:16:54 the actual code is in src/compiler/x86-64/subprim.lisp 14:18:48 ah ok 14:18:51 let me see 14:19:50 line 17? (define-vop (length/list) ... ? 14:19:58 yes 14:20:05 Blkt: get the sources, use sb-ext:set-sbcl-source-location then you can use M-. on SBCL functions 14:20:18 I did it 14:20:36 I was just looking on seq.lisp 14:20:57 and I didn't understand how dispatch-seq worked 14:21:13 since it dispatched length on (length sequence) for lists (and arrays aswell) 14:21:25 I still don't understand how does that part work 14:21:51 those calls to length are with type information 14:22:11 so they won't compile to a normal full function call 14:22:27 it makes (length list) to be (length (the list list)), and then the compiler picks that up, and inlines a specialized version 14:22:43 trule-the? 14:22:49 truly* 14:22:51 well, it's a simplified analogy 14:23:08 got it 14:23:09 thanks 14:25:50 (:translate length) and (:arg-types list) in define-vop makes the compiler consider to use that VOP when the argument to length is known to be a list 14:26:16 if you compile (length (the list list)), it won't go through that function in seq.lisp, but directly use the VOP 14:26:55 but if it's just (length list), it'll call it and then this will do a type test and branch to the code which resulted from translating (length (the list list)) 14:29:00 at that level, the type system is closer to C's than CL's: it's about representation, not value. 14:29:39 I see 14:33:22 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 14:34:39 pkhuong: in that bug I linked, were you suggesting to translate lenght into list-length directly via deftransform and raise an error if it returns nil? 14:37:33 I still don't know why we have a VOP for length of lists, frankly. 14:37:53 yeah, at least a static function would do 14:38:01 stassats says it's slightly less code than a full call, but then I'd go for a static function. 14:38:33 and I'd have the function do something like normal length until it hits a couple thousand/million iterations, and then punt ot list-length. 14:38:47 slightly more code only with zero safety 14:45:08 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:52:30 dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 14:54:40 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:58:05 how do you define a static function? 14:58:14 pkhuong: is this what it would do if #x22300000 was too high and it allocated too much memory? https://www.dropbox.com/s/7gcigdomu3wrick/TempScreen.png the access violation shows 25c78181 14:58:41 (in SBCL of course) 15:00:24 dto: I don't know. I doubt it. 15:00:48 hmm. i'll have to do a bit more testing. 15:00:55 thank you. 15:04:35 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 15:09:47 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:11:58 pkhuong: i did it wrong :) i'll fix it. 15:11:59 thanks. 15:27:14 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:36:30 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.104.170] has joined #sbcl 15:48:53 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.25.130.142] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:35 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.104.170] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21:36 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 16:28:27 -!- tcr [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:33:22 tcr [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 16:53:58 les [moreorles@fsf/member/les] has joined #sbcl 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functions" 17:14:36 so, for register saving it would have to be assembly routines, not just static functions 17:20:10 pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #sbcl 17:20:43 I understood that 17:20:48 ops sorry 17:20:53 wrong channel 17:27:27 -!- dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28:50 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 17:31:28 I seem to recall some nasty GC implications for static functions, but the actual details currently escape me. /-: 17:32:51 -!- tcr [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:35:24 tcr [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 17:37:36 -!- tcr [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 17:53:23 *stassats* managed to shave 1 byte from %test-lowtag by doing LEA EAX, [X-LOWTAG] TEST AL, LOWTAG-MASK instead of MOV EAX, EDX AND AL, LOWTAG-MASK CMP AL, LOWTAG 17:54:06 could go even lower when combined with 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