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Maybe I've been doing something wrong when running the benchmarks... 18:27:17 benkard: yes.. I'm guessing you'll want to find a nice way to define patterns. 18:28:43 benkard: also, are you certain the interpreting is returning the correct result? that's one wasy way to get amazing runtimes. 18:28:50 *easy 18:29:18 phkuong: Yeah, the patterns... For now, my simplistic macro requires me to write everything twiceone instance for the special cases and one for the general case. 18:29:42 are those columns relative time or absolute? 18:30:38 pkhuong: No, I haven't done a lot of correctness tests. The only thing I test regularly is TAK, which is very limited. I definitely need to do more sanity checks. :) 18:31:10 Those 0.000 results are pretty suspicious, to be sure. 18:31:38 @Krystof: They are given in seconds. 18:32:35 definitely nice improvents. at least in the right order of magnitude :-) 18:32:48 :) 18:34:10 The major thing that makes many tests fail is the lack of proper support of lambda lists. 18:35:03 I wonder if using &more instead of dynamic-extent &rest would give some more benefits 18:35:08 it at least used to be a lot better 18:35:51 I saw &more mentioned in sb-walker, but I've never encountered it in code. What does it do? 18:35:51 ASau```` [~user@p5797F506.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 18:36:25 jsnell_: not anymore, I don't think. &rest that's only used for (tail) apply or in nth/length are converted into &more 18:37:08 ok, but then I guess that loop needs to be rewritten to match that pattern 18:38:07 &rest is a sbcl extension where no &rest list is constructed at all, but the params are just stored on the stack 18:38:22 benkard: it's like a &rest vector that's implicit, on the stack. There is no bound checking, but you do know the number of elements. 18:39:08 Ah. Interesting. 18:39:35 ah, reading the code more closely, it probably won't matter 18:39:39 -!- ASau``` [~user@p5797E3FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:39:41 since your specialization limit is so high 18:42:11 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:42:25 -!- pnpuff [~roll@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [] 18:46:04 benkard: so what were you thinkin of looking at next? correctness, or more optimizations? 18:46:28 Is there some lazy way of getting &key and &optional out of something that supports only required arguments and &rest? 18:46:44 destructuring-bind? 18:47:49 benkard: one loop through the &rest list. 18:48:29 stassats: Hmm... You mean I could simply transform a (lambda (x ...) ...) into (lambda (&rest r) (destructuring-bind (x ...) r ...) and work with that instead? That might work. 18:49:12 don't see how it'd work 18:49:18 destructuring-bind parses macro lambda lists 18:49:24 you'd need to know the keyword arg names at compile time 18:49:29 which isn't the case here 18:49:30 jsnell_: interpret the code d-bind expands into 18:49:49 i.e., it parses more than is allowed for lambda 18:49:57 but I'm really not sure it's a sane approach either. 18:50:51 Hm, yes. True. Probably better to do it manually with a loop to be able to catch errors. 18:52:57 Anyway, I've created three Git branches. One is intended for experimentation with byte-code compilation, if time permits. But I would like to get more code working first by implementing lambda-lists properly. 18:53:33 that, and conformance in general sounds like a good next step 18:53:48 Yup. SPECIAL declarations come to mind... :) 18:58:08 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #sbcl 18:58:13 A good plan for the next couple of days. 18:58:41 I'd say so. chat again thursday evening, unless you have any questions? 18:59:02 Let's do that. :) 19:16:49 -!- benkard [~benkard@89.204.135.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:21:19 robgssp [~user@cpe-24-93-28-218.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #sbcl 19:42:38 -!- Bike [~Glossina@75-164-160-84.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:44:25 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-196-20.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 19:46:12 -!- davazp [~user@112.Red-88-15-121.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:48:41 prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-5f75c8b7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #sbcl 19:51:32 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d010485.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:57:17 -!- Ralt [Ralt@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:6c69] has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:07:43 is there a doc describing what benkard is working on? 20:49:26 christoph_debian: Is there something newer than 1.1.6 in debian available? 20:52:22 sdemarre [~serge@50.97-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #sbcl 20:59:15 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #sbcl 20:59:22 flip214: in experimental, yes? 20:59:37 flip214: rest I would do but I'm not able to fix the texinfo stuff on my own 21:00:38 ohwell 21:00:39 Just asked because of your recent post to sbcl-devel. 21:00:45 thats already 1.1.6 in experimental 21:00:52 right. my bad 21:01:22 Well, I don't need any specific change .... just asked to get a newer version ;P 21:01:39 jep. I'd like to do newer versions 21:02:14 hooray! 21:02:24 looking forward to getting one. thanks a lot!! 21:03:54 christoph_debian: is there some good reason why there are no packages in debian for eg. mips? 21:04:10 it doesn't build completely on mips 21:04:13 Reading the SF page I thought that mips should be supported since 1.0.23 or so... 21:04:13 ;-) 21:04:28 there's a failure in iirc contrib/posix or something 21:04:34 oh, ok. 21:04:40 never mind, I don't have one anyway. 21:04:47 mips is somewhat broken for some time 21:05:00 *christoph_debian* does, but not enough mips skills to fix it there 21:05:34 and currently the main sbcl-related thing is getting new packages which requires fixes for texinfo 5 which is somewhat non-trivial 21:05:36 :-/ 21:08:15 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:09:10 -!- prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-5f75c8b7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:20:05 -!- milanj [~milanj@82.117.199.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:20:13 The contrib/sb-posix thing should be easy enough to fix, really. 21:20:56 But given how long the mips-assem.S damage was in play, I'd be surprised if there weren't horrible, horrible bit-rot all over the backend. 21:22:37 One of the (several) reasons that I don't do more with the MIPS backend myself is that I don't have anything stronger than about 300 MHz (might be 200MHz) and 32 megs of RAM to throw at the problem. 21:26:17 -!- sdemarre [~serge@50.97-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:27:04 (Oh, and running Linux 2.4.x, as well, or was it 2.2.x? 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