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Anywhere.] 15:15:00 Kromitvs [~quassel@mcqueen.rnl.ist.utl.pt] has joined #sbcl 15:15:31 l 15:15:57 foo 15:16:07 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Client Quit] 15:16:24 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #sbcl 15:38:35 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #sbcl 15:55:57 -!- milosn_ [~milosn@82-68-174-118.in-addr.centralnic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:56:20 -!- stassats [~stassats@pppoe.178-66-15-222.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:51 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75c96e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #sbcl 16:12:29 drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #sbcl 16:17:01 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 16:17:37 Hy. Does anyone know of a debug tutorial? I'm fiding really hard to get information about this! I have 16:17:37 (setf *break-on-signals* t) ok 16:17:37 (proclaim '(optimize (debug 3))) 16:17:37 (optimize speed (safety 0)) 16:17:37 but after (step foo) and 1st continue I get:invalid number of arguments: 0 16:17:39 [Condition of type SB-INT:SIMPLE-PROGRAM-ERROR] 16:17:41 Restarts: 16:17:43 0: [RETRY] Retry SLIME REPL evaluation request. 16:17:45 1: [*ABORT] Return to SLIME's top level. 16:17:48 2: [ABORT] Abort thread (#) 16:17:50 Backtrace: 16:17:52 0: (INVOKE-DEBUGGER)[:EXTERNAL] 16:17:54 Locals: 16:17:56 SB-DEBUG::ARG-0 = 0 16:17:58 <|3b|> don't paste stuff into channel 16:17:59 SB-DEBUG::ARG-1 = 70368648768496 16:18:01 Suggestions? 16:18:07 don't use step 16:18:07 (sorry for the wot, newbye here) 16:18:27 no? how do I debug? 16:18:29 as it won't help much 16:19:07 *|3b|* usually just uses the debugger, possibly with some (BREAK), or just prints things i'm not sure about 16:19:08 use backtraces, reading code, TRACE, thinking hard 16:21:40 hard way up, han? I'm more a programmer-friendly oriented myself. But thanks for your help! 16:21:50 <|3b|> also, why are you calling OPTIMIZE as a function? 16:22:31 <|3b|> and if you are trying to PROCLAIM it, SAFETY 0 is a very bad idea particularly when you are trying to debug things 16:22:49 why? 16:23:19 (I found that on the net, followed by some commands on how to debug, I figurred it was needed to debug) 16:23:22 <|3b|> because with SAFETY 0, the implementation is much more likely to get into an undefined state in the presence of bugs 16:24:12 <|3b|> speed + (safety 0) is for optimization, not debugging, and the (safety 0) part is only for experts, and only in limited situations even then 16:25:51 is this common lisp or SBCL specific? (or how should I google for more info on this variables) 16:25:57 <|3b|> (safety 0) basically tells the compiler "assume all this code is correct, and don't do any runtime checks to make sure it doesn't write over random memory or whatever" (among other things with similar results) 16:26:09 <|3b|> clhs optimize 16:26:18 <|3b|> hmm, bots asleep? 16:26:30 minion: clhs optimize 16:26:31 please stop playing with me... i am not a toy 16:26:34 hmm 16:26:41 <|3b|> http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/d_optimi.htm#safety 16:26:45 <|3b|> ^ see that 16:27:19 <|3b|> SAFETY/SPEED/DEBUG declarations are general CL, specific effects of what happens with the various settings are implementation specific though 16:27:35 specbot didn't survive the netsplit 16:27:52 <|3b|> some implementations might ignore SAFETY 0 completely, others might trust the programmer more even with higher SAFETY settings 16:28:19 <|3b|> and the usefulness of (safety 0) for optimization varies quite a bit as well 16:28:21 specbot [~specbot@common-lisp.net] has joined #sbcl 16:29:09 *|3b|* would also use DECLAIM instead of PROCLAIM, or more likely declarations within a specific function, or using C-u C-c C-c in slime to compile with high debug 16:29:30 -!- Kromitvs [~quassel@mcqueen.rnl.ist.utl.pt] has left #sbcl 16:30:13 Kromitvs [~quassel@mcqueen.rnl.ist.utl.pt] has joined #sbcl 16:30:53 ok. Thanks! I think I have somewhere to start reading! ;-) 16:46:47 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-155-103.netcologne.de] has left #sbcl 16:49:37 sdemarre [~serge@91.180.99.116] has joined #sbcl 16:51:38 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #sbcl 16:52:55 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-155-103.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 16:58:56 milosn [~milosn@user-5af507ad.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #sbcl 17:01:54 -!- ASau [~user@p5797EC29.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:02:24 -!- davazp [~user@187.Red-88-8-246.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06:22 ASau [~user@p5797EC29.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 17:07:41 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:08:10 drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #sbcl 17:24:27 -!- ASau [~user@p5797EC29.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:27:28 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28:30 drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #sbcl 17:37:14 ASau [~user@p5797EC29.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 17:37:17 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:37:32 drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #sbcl 17:44:28 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:21:20 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has left #sbcl 18:25:21 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-194-161.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:27:13 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-251-98.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 18:30:05 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #sbcl 18:34:46 ASau` [~user@p5797FE22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 18:37:10 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-251-98.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:38:28 -!- ASau [~user@p5797EC29.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:38:34 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 18:59:19 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 19:19:13 -!- pipping_ [~pipping@tchaikovsky.exherbo.org] has quit [Changing host] 19:19:13 pipping_ [~pipping@exherbo/developer/pipping] has joined #sbcl 19:19:39 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:36 -!- ASau [~user@p5797FE22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:23:43 ASau [~user@p5797FE22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 19:40:21 -!- ASau [~user@p5797FE22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:53:56 ASau [~user@p5797FE22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 19:56:11 drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #sbcl 19:57:46 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04:52 drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #sbcl 20:07:08 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:20:33 -!- ASau [~user@p5797FE22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:26:12 ASau [~user@p5797FE22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 21:09:25 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.180.99.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:09:54 -!- pjb`` is now known as pjb 21:36:00 -!- ASau [~user@p5797FE22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:26 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-155-103.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:26:07 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:38:02 -!- angavrilov_ [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:57 -!- pipping_ is now known as pipping 23:13:12 davazp [~user@187.Red-88-8-246.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #sbcl 23:18:33 vi1 [~vi1@93.92.216.186] has joined #sbcl 23:25:18 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]