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(The last sentence seems to suggest so) 08:41:24 good day everyone 08:45:59 <|3b|> loke: i think it is more about making the GC better at telling what is garbage or not than faster (though collecting things sooner could affect speed) 08:46:28 |3b|: Right. OK 08:46:31 Thanks :-) 08:48:45 *|3b|* supposes if stack is smaller it would be a bit faster to scan as well, not sure how likely it is to have enough calls on the stack for that to matter though 08:49:38 |3b|: right. That was my tought too when reading the post. That said, I always love to see improvements, no matter how small :-) 08:51:12 *|3b|* suspects the 'better at telling what is garbage' part is much more important than any speed though, pretty sure i've run into that before 08:51:38 <|3b|> (or at least something related, don't really know how sbcl manages the stack to be sure what specifically was my problem) 08:57:11 |3b|: I know that the stack is "conservatively" used as a root for anything that is found on it 08:57:22 While the GD'ing of heap objects is precise. 08:57:25 GC 09:00:44 <|3b|> right, if i understand right, that change makes it leave less space where old valid-but-garbage pointers could stay around on the stack preventing stuff from being collected 09:52:50 scymtym_ [~user@ip-5-147-122-209.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #sbcl 10:25:05 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:28:17 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:32:24 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.6.48] has joined #sbcl 10:32:24 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.6.48] has quit [Changing host] 10:32:24 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 10:40:13 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #sbcl 10:42:31 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42:50 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #sbcl 10:43:58 -!- pjb [~t@AMontsouris-651-1-250-111.w92-163.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:52:13 -!- scymtym_ [~user@ip-5-147-122-209.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:05:10 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:32:47 vi1 [~vi1@93.92.216.186] has joined #sbcl 12:01:40 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:52:45 |3b|: exactly. 12:53:16 in fact, it's also an issue on non-conservative platforms, just a but less so because there's no pinning. 13:00:49 <_8hzp> Windows uwp now being functional is very exciting. 13:01:03 <_8hzp> 32-bit Windows, that is. 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