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15:56:29 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 16:25:58 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:36:52 nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 16:37:07 G'day all. 16:38:34 I started trying to sort out the gencgc page-table bitmap issue over the weekend, but ran into a snag: alloc.c refers to the xxx_PAGE_FLAG constants, even on cheneygc targets, though cheneygc ignores the values. 16:40:20 ... And the only-now-obvious approach is to use the C preprocessor to hide the references on cheneygc. 16:50:24 -!- nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:50:38 nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 16:57:04 nyef: have you made sense of contiguous blocks in gencgc? 16:57:09 (or gengc) 16:58:06 Which sense of "contiguous blocks"? 16:58:33 You mean runs of pages that have to be scanned together? 16:58:37 yeah. 16:58:57 That has everything to do with the possibility of an object straddling a page boundary. 16:59:55 and scan_start_offset points to the first object that ends in the page, rather than to the closest lower-addressed object that starts at a page boundary? 17:00:52 Not quite. It points to the first object that is known to POSSIBLY end in the page, and that boundary is only tightened during core file loading. 17:00:57 ok. 17:01:16 So it is a very conservative estimate, and can be overgenerous by several objects. 17:01:31 all right. Useless for my goals, I think. 17:01:44 I figure that it can be tightened up fairly easily during scavenge. 17:02:00 What are you trying to do? 17:02:15 I'm trying to abuse the write barrier to maintain coarse reference counts: decrement all refs before unWPing, re-increment before looking for 0-refcount blocks. 17:02:33 that way, we can hope to reclaim old memory without major GCs. 17:02:43 Hmm. 17:02:54 and only count references at a contiguous block granularity. 17:03:05 Ah. 17:03:16 So... where's the problem? 17:03:55 So far, the only problem has been the fact that scavenging weak references writes to targets, but I'll just monkeypatch scavtab. 17:04:41 Heh. As though scavtab doesn't get monkeypatched for weak references anyway. 17:05:32 I'm also not sure what I think of my hack to re-use scavenging code in a tracing GC: call into a hook function when we would scavenge a pointer (i.e. copy the refered object) 17:06:26 I think that I'd like to see what happens if we implement the Azul "pauseless" algorithm for GC as an option. 17:07:35 I think using our mprotect write barrier to turn a normal mark/sweep into a mostly concurrent option is a bit more realistic ;) 17:07:55 doesn't pauseless depend on a kernel patch to do funky multiple mapping? 17:08:05 Umm... maybe? 17:08:15 I'll live with a kernel patch if I have to. 17:08:43 Honestly, if more people actually try to use such things, it might actually get accepted into the kernel at some point. 17:10:11 Worst-case scenario, actually, is that I resurrect SBCL-os. 17:10:13 if regalloc is improved, I could see a split number/control stack on x86oids. 17:10:37 Mmm. I want split number/control stack and partitioned registers on x86-64. 17:10:44 Specifically, I want to run cheneygc on x86-64. 17:12:12 I'm not sure the cost:benefit ratio is that interesting for partitioned registers. 17:12:18 And x86-64 should have sufficient registers to do it, too. 17:12:22 ooh, the managed runtime initiative site is down 17:12:44 Being able to maintain cheneygc without needing a PPC, SPARC, or MIPS box? I think that that's worth it. 17:12:48 nyef: right, otoh, the vast majority of code should probably do fine. 17:12:55 ah, for us, not for users. Sure (: 17:13:24 and the move would force a nice systematic VOP check. 17:15:58 nyef: the Azul people had posted their kernel patches of some time ago 17:21:51 Mmm. That would probably save some development time, assuming that the patches are available and still apply. 17:22:51 -!- scymtym_ [~user@ip-5-147-122-209.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:24:11 last I looked they were kind of huge and not easily broken up in piece. OTOH, they must forward port it from time to time. 17:30:21 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:36:53 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:37:43 JuanitoFatas [~Adium@111-250-120-203.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #sbcl 17:39:23 nyef: I have the code, and it's GPL so you're free to use it even if they took it down 17:39:25 uploading now 17:39:42 https://deneb.cddr.org/tmp/MRI.tar.bz2 17:39:46 You know that I'm not going to have project bandwidth to work on this any time soon, right? (-: 17:40:00 maybe I will 17:40:04 But thank you. 17:49:07 Blkt [~user@82.84.167.73] has joined #sbcl 18:10:46 leuler [~user@p548FD37B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 18:23:56 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.219.4] has joined #sbcl 18:24:38 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #sbcl 18:29:35 milosn_ [~milosn@user-5af50db7.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #sbcl 18:30:17 -!- milosn [~milosn@user-5af50db7.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:32:45 -!- milosn_ is now known as milosn 18:33:06 ASau` [~user@p4FF97857.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 18:36:23 -!- ASau [~user@p4FF96425.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:37:56 can anyone reproduce the bug report on sbcl-devel? 18:43:29 Me not on x86-64 head. 18:44:25 Did you try Teemu's exact version? 18:45:32 <|3b|> no error here, on various x8664 version (but none that specific version) 18:47:40 Krystof: i tried all combinations listed at https://ci.cor-lab.org/job/sbcl-master/ (which tracks SBCL master) but could not reproduce anywhere 18:47:56 I didn't try that specific version either 18:50:27 this is pretty much exactly the bug I fixed (value reference to inlined function) last release. I wouldn't be surprised if the error actually happened on a pre 1.1.7 build 18:51:20 *leuler* is building 1.1.8-30 now to test it. 18:58:30 I can't reproduce the bug in this exact version (on x86-64, Linux). The function compiles and runs without problems. 19:00:19 -!- antifuchs [~foobar@boots.boinkor.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:03:03 *|3b|* wonders if there are unusual compilation settings or strange libs loaded 19:03:06 pkhuong: Which is the exact commit you refer to? 19:03:25 -!- whoops [~whoops@2a01:4f8:161:41e1::2] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:04:58 -!- Posterdati [~antani@host210-219-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06:22 Posterdati [~antani@host210-219-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #sbcl 19:09:53 oh yeah, maybe high debug and speed is involved or some such 19:10:31 leuler: 46602bb31b 19:12:23 -!- JuanitoFatas [~Adium@111-250-120-203.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:13:15 Building the previous one; that's 1.1.7-96-gc1ec38c. 19:15:06 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15:53 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #sbcl 19:16:42 hopefully, that's c1ec38c (or I have major disk issues) 19:17:43 Yes, that's what I wrote? (did the "g" confuse you?) 19:18:08 yes :) 19:18:13 It's from "git describe". 19:18:50 aha, with (optimize debug (space 0)) I hit the aver 19:19:06 In which SBCL version? 19:19:13 1.1.8.57.array-type-cleverness.7-6e6d945-dirty 19:19:20 :-/ 19:19:24 but recent, anyway 19:19:49 1.1.7-96-gc1ec38c with default compiler optimization qualities does not reproduce the bug. 19:23:49 high debug disables dead code elimination, no? 19:26:39 for me on x86_64, the aver appears iff (speed 0); the other qualities do not seem to matter 19:29:12 sorry, s/speed/space/ 19:29:51 something like this, I guess http://paste.lisp.org/display/137638 19:31:06 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 19:31:08 references to toplevel "closures" are really weird, and I don't know that any sanity check makes sense on them. 19:42:45 pkhuong: for me, your patch fixes the aver for all combinations of optimization qualities 19:45:53 I just don't know if it's Right... It seems less wrong, but maybe someone will have a better idea. I'll think about it some more once I've done my quota of thesis writing ;) 19:58:17 -!- |3b| [foobar@cpe-72-177-66-41.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:05:53 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:11:02 -!- joshe [~joshe@opal.elsasser.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:25 joshe [~joshe@opal.elsasser.org] has joined #sbcl 20:12:11 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #sbcl 20:12:18 -!- leuler [~user@p548FD37B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.1.2 $Revision: 1.796.2.6 $ (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:14:37 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #sbcl 20:35:53 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:46:21 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:49:57 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.219.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:58:52 christoph1 [~christoph@ppp-188-174-122-99.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #sbcl 20:59:08 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75d665.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:00:14 -!- christoph1 [~christoph@ppp-188-174-122-99.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Client Quit] 21:00:31 christoph1 [~christoph@ppp-188-174-139-110.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #sbcl 21:01:15 -!- christoph1 [~christoph@ppp-188-174-139-110.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Client Quit] 21:01:27 christoph_debian [~christoph@ppp-188-174-139-110.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #sbcl 21:32:18 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.249.209] has joined #sbcl 21:32:18 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.249.209] has quit [Changing host] 21:32:18 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 21:35:28 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #sbcl 21:37:48 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:41:40 -!- nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 21:50:15 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #sbcl 21:53:39 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57:47 -!- psilord [~pkeller@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:01:35 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 22:09:37 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:28:12 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:39:34 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-241-48-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:38 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Quit: rpg] 23:14:03 psilord [~psilord@c-69-180-173-249.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 23:15:23 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:19:44 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 23:23:08 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:47:36 |3b| [bbb@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:5b65] has joined #sbcl