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14:53:15 i have functions in my vops, so i can't dump them into fasls, and i can't use make-array at cold-init to create it anew 14:56:04 I'm pretty sure you have to use !begin-collecting-cold-init-form to make stuff happen at boot 14:56:25 (and then call the right function from cold-init.lisp) 14:56:49 there are automatic things for top-level forms 14:58:10 when writing to cold-fasls, it arranges things like FUNCALL to *current-reversed-cold-toplevels* 14:59:14 hlavaty [~user@friedrichstrasse.knowledgetools.de] has joined #sbcl 14:59:26 i can fake dumping by creating a make-vop-info form without including any functions and using literal arrays 14:59:33 at least to see where it will fail next 15:00:06 you can also use make-load-form(-saving-slots) if appropriate 15:00:57 i can set problematic slots to NIL and just use just-dump-it-normally 15:01:24 i set up the function slots anyway at load-time 15:05:45 oh i forgot that i can't use just-dump-it-normally because something else is dumping it and has to use ignore-it 15:05:57 ok, make-load-form-saving-slots it is 15:12:49 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-245-85.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:12:58 then i won't be able to dump specifier-types 15:13:21 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-245-85.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 15:24:49 the clear solution to get further is to just use t-arrays, they can be made during cold-init 15:37:49 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@h69-21-18-138.nwlnnh.dedicated.static.tds.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:37 drmeister [~drmeister@h69-21-18-138.nwlnnh.dedicated.static.tds.net] has joined #sbcl 15:51:10 success at building it, at last 15:51:31 (except for dx closures 15:56:46 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@h69-21-18-138.nwlnnh.dedicated.static.tds.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:35 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 16:17:11 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:18:23 -!- benkard [~benkard@dhcp-138-246-84-173.dynamic.eduroam.mwn.de] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 16:21:53 how could i butcher just stack allocation and everything else works fine? 16:36:15 drmeister [~drmeister@h69-21-18-138.nwlnnh.dedicated.static.tds.net] has joined #sbcl 16:37:03 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.218.225] has joined #sbcl 16:37:03 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.218.225] has quit [Changing host] 16:37:03 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 16:40:32 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@h69-21-18-138.nwlnnh.dedicated.static.tds.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:51 does anyone ever run sbcl without threads anyway? 17:04:42 *maxm* is at the last part of swank-snapshot fixoring, that is making background-save-image work, and it uses fd-handlers stuff to know when child finished, which is borked, because swank no longer uses serve-event 17:04:55 so I just wondering if I should replace it with waitpid in a thread 17:06:48 actually I can dispatch on communication style and hopefully the fd-handler stuff continues to work in no-threads sbcl 17:10:01 maxm: not all platforms have thread support 17:11:15 and unthreaded builds are more solid for specials binding and interrupt handling. 17:11:28 and smaller! 17:11:42 and a modicum faster 17:12:06 interesting, maybe I've out to build a unthreaded one, since my plan is to switch to fork/join model anyway, once I ZMQ'ize my code 17:12:25 best thing about it you can move from inproc, to ipc, to clustering without changing code 17:13:03 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@adsl-108-80-229-231.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:22:11 joshe: sbcl can be built under linux + wine + mingw too 17:22:22 there used to be page describing it in detail http://sbcl-internals.cliki.net/Build%20on%20Wine 17:22:33 but not sure what happened to that page 17:22:57 the great cl.net migration 17:23:07 hm 17:23:31 is that really an accurate test of building and running on a real win32 machine? 17:24:29 for building it is good enough, for testing it is a good confortable start 17:24:31 joshe: i wouldn't trust any changes without a proper build 17:25:36 right, I think I'll just wait for a windows user to come forward 17:27:06 or just commit, it's fairly straightforward and I've tested the groveler change in isolation already 17:27:11 btw the recent boinkmarks run stuff under wine, and lichteblau did most of his windows merge under wine too 17:28:02 joshe: afaict it's only a build change, so wine should be good enough. 17:28:05 there are some very lowlevel things that dont work (also win64) on wine, but win32 is quite solid 17:36:37 -!- xymox [lechuck@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:37:06 xymox [lechuck@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #sbcl 17:42:24 -!- vi1 [~vi1@93.92.216.186] has quit [*.net *.split] 17:51:06 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #sbcl 17:57:46 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: ] 18:03:20 can I use sbcl git tip safely, or should I use sbcl-1.1.8 tag? 18:04:07 the git head is probably safer than 1.1.8 18:05:28 drmeister [~drmeister@173-162-165-237-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #sbcl 18:06:50 man can you guys apply this please http://paste.lisp.org/display/137546 18:06:50 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for can you guys apply this please http://paste.lisp.org/display/137546. 18:06:50 18:07:00 I thought it was already applied in master once, but now its back to old one 18:07:22 its for allowing one to ln -s /blah/crap/run-sbcl.sh sbcl 18:08:25 ah actually cancel that, I see it already changed to readlink on the line below 18:09:09 *maxm* enters the joys of SBCL's sh make.sh, its like a box of candy 18:16:41 vi1 [~vi1@93.92.216.186] has joined #sbcl 18:26:28 -!- |3b| [foobar@cpe-72-177-66-41.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:28:44 -!- ASau [~user@p4FF96A1C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:31:17 benkard [~benkard@ppp-188-174-113-29.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #sbcl 18:35:49 ASau [~user@p5797EE78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 18:36:30 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #sbcl 18:38:59 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:19 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #sbcl 19:12:58 -!- benkard [~benkard@ppp-188-174-113-29.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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