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06:07:17 if not, we have another PRNG one 06:27:44 (I mean, even if you do we have another PRNG one) 06:32:22 -!- aba` [~user@2001:638:504:2093:21d:9ff:fe30:1f87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:35:41 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:36:06 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #sbcl 06:48:27 Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #sbcl 06:50:31 -!- Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:58:10 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:27:26 EvilTosha [~eviltosha@188.134.74.46] has joined #sbcl 07:31:12 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-63-128.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:32:35 loke [~loke@203.127.16.194] has joined #sbcl 07:33:54 -!- EvilTosha [~eviltosha@188.134.74.46] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:36:38 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 07:41:24 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:43:05 EvilTosha [~eviltosha@188.134.74.46] has joined #sbcl 08:00:33 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:17:21 -!- EvilTosha [~eviltosha@188.134.74.46] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:50:09 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 09:00:15 Krystof: it's customisable, but I think we do by default. 09:05:26 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:29:18 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #sbcl 10:23:42 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #sbcl 11:08:12 davazp [~user@178.167.197.140.threembb.ie] has joined #sbcl 11:11:03 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:23:46 -!- xymox [lechuck@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Disconnected by services] 11:24:15 xymox [lechuck@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #sbcl 11:24:44 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.4.246] has joined #sbcl 11:24:45 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.4.246] has quit [Changing host] 11:24:45 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 11:42:30 -!- brown is now known as Guest10445 11:51:49 pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.174.40.238] has joined #sbcl 11:51:49 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.174.40.238] has quit [Changing host] 11:51:49 pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has joined #sbcl 11:55:08 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 12:23:53 -!- scymtym_ [~user@ip-5-147-116-166.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:24:09 rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-200-80.uio.no] has joined #sbcl 12:25:25 pkhuong: OK. jsnell was complaining yesterday that he got all the mentors traffic about whether Iranians should be discriminated against, but not the submissions 12:28:18 temerson [~temerson@pdc-cdn-npool.ebscohost.com] has joined #sbcl 12:32:29 I did get a "new proposal" email this morning 12:33:55 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:40:03 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:48:42 excellent. Still looking forward to the first non-PRNG proposal... 12:56:05 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #sbcl 13:29:38 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 13:54:15 -!- rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-200-80.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 13:56:48 psilord [~psilord@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #sbcl 14:20:23 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27:17 leuler [~user@p548F9E66.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 14:33:39 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #sbcl 14:37:08 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 14:49:44 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-75.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 14:51:45 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-75.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:53:40 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-75.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 14:54:08 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-75.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59:12 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-75.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 14:59:26 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-75.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:15 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-75.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 15:00:32 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-75.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:22 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-75.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 15:02:07 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-75.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 15:04:53 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-75.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 15:09:09 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-75.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:09:50 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-75.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 15:13:33 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-75.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 15:19:05 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-75.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 15:22:16 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-75.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 15:25:17 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: this computer sucks] 15:31:32 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-75.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 15:42:12 nyef [~nyef@c-76-119-183-159.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 15:44:40 tsuru`` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-28-89.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #sbcl 15:46:24 -!- tsuru` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-31-140.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:58:29 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-75.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59:20 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-75.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 16:00:26 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 16:07:07 -!- akovalenko [~user@195.18.46.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:17:30 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-75.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:18:45 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-197-220.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 16:29:51 tsuru``` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-30-110.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #sbcl 16:31:46 -!- tsuru`` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-28-89.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:38:39 So, finally got a clean build from my stack-allocatable-vectors stuff... And it seems that there are still some rough edges. Apparently, zeroing the array contents IS required, and there's something wrong with my implementation because the test for it fails. And some other test fails as well that I haven't dug into yet, and a third test fails because the test itself is broken... 16:39:39 don't you do test-driven development ? 16:40:10 nyef: yes, it is required because we currently zero initialise arrays by not doing anything. 16:40:58 wbooze: It varies. In this case, somewhat. Right now I'm at the "trying to make the tests pass" stage. 16:41:07 pkhuong: Right, that was my understanding from last night. 16:41:54 ... And I've just found the bug in my array-zeroing logic, where I manage to neglect to bump the pointer to the slot to be cleared. 16:43:20 Now to wait another hour for the build... 16:43:21 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:44:03 EvilTosha [~eviltosha@188.134.74.46] has joined #sbcl 16:44:17 wbooze: The thing about test-driven development is that it's best done when you can run a full build-and-test cycle in a matter of minutes at worst. It takes me about an hour for a build and about as long to run the full test suite, so right now I'm just running a single file worth of tests. 16:48:06 -!- Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:51:38 An ADDI won't disrupt the status flags from an ADDIC. will it? 16:54:34 i am making changes to fd-stream.lisp and would like to know the quickest way to recompile the file and test the changes 16:55:14 fd-stream.lisp is one of those files which contains a number of inline functions. Depending on what you're doing, you might end up having to do a full build. 16:55:38 It will be safest to do a full build anyway. 16:55:41 -!- milosn_ [~milosn@user-5af50b96.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:56:05 On the upside, with a good, modern system, a full build can be done in minutes. 16:56:31 milosn [~milosn@user-5af50b96.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #sbcl 16:57:29 nyef: that's what i was doing but wanted to ask in case there is a different way. Thanks 16:58:07 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-66.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:59:02 There are other ways, of varying levels of workingness, but fd-streams are a part of the system that none of them are really appropriate for, unfortunately. 17:01:07 tsuru```` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-28-146.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #sbcl 17:03:20 -!- tsuru``` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-30-110.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:05:18 nicdev: if you feel like living dangerously, you could investigate :after-xc-core and slam.sh 17:06:30 Were it not fd-stream.lisp being monkeyed with, I'd've suggested that myself, but... 17:07:10 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:07:43 I didn't think fd-stream was so dangerous -- my model has changes there mostly constrained to the same file 17:08:16 bicbw. No harm telling the impressionable newbie about flaky and dangerous even-faster-rebuild techniques, right? 17:08:51 So long as they get fair warning, right. 17:10:19 I'm fond of the one for runtime changes where you make your changes, (cd src/runtime; make), (. output/build-config; sh ./make-genesis-2.sh), then do the make-target-2-load dance, and your build is done. 17:11:36 I've been tempted to split out a shell script just for make-target-2-load, simply to make it easier to express this fast rebuild procedure. (-: 17:17:58 i think the cores are now relocatable on some targets, so you can just do make 17:18:05 with some features 17:18:27 :sb-dynamic-core 17:19:01 It's not core relocation that I'd be worried about, it's runtime symbol fixups. 17:19:24 Linkage-table helps with that, of course. 17:19:53 rather, runtimes are relocatable, not cores 17:21:04 You know, we did quite a bit of work a while back on making most of the core spaces relocatable at coreparse time. 17:21:27 Sure, read-only-space and static-space got the short end of that stick, but it otherwise worked. 17:21:28 the only description of sb-dynamic-core i can find: "New feature sb-dynamic-core allows the runtime to be rebuilt or relocated without requiring changes to the core file on all linkage table platforms. Required on Windows." 17:22:24 a base-target-features entry is missing 17:53:12 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: ] 18:07:01 sb-dynamic-core is still mainly documented in win32-os.c, in the "How it works: a sketch" comment. 18:07:19 .. yes, even though it's not a windows-only thing anymore. :-( 18:08:37 -!- Snamich [~Snamich@netblock-68-183-229-245.dslextreme.com] has quit [Quit: Snamich] 18:09:50 of course, if nyef is on some bizarre RISC platform again, he might first have to fix sb-dynamic-core so that it works :-). ISTR some thing with some assembly routines in particular. 18:10:44 But overall it's a really lovely feature. 18:10:57 oh, you can now load a core into a runtime with a text segment at a different location than it was built at? 18:11:32 Yeah, I'm on PPC again right now. 18:12:02 that's awesome, I'll have to see if it builds on openbsd without the random executable relocation thing disabled 18:12:10 Test suite output should be interesting, given all the changes in my current branch. (-: 18:12:41 knowing nyef, he'll fix sb-dynamic-core/ppc in less time than a rebuild without it takes 18:13:08 It's not even on my list to look at right now, TBH. 18:13:35 I'm going to have access to my Raspberry Pi tomorrow night, and I want to try and replicate most of the PPC stuff in my tree on SPARC... 18:20:31 lichtblau: do you have easy access to a win32 machine for sbcl purposes? 18:20:54 *stassats* has an easiesh access 18:23:06 stassats: can you test https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/791800? 18:23:08 pkhuong: nope, none. All my Windows machines belonged to my former employer. 18:23:32 pkhuong: yes, i'm planning on testing it 18:23:40 sometime after the freeze 18:23:44 right, ok. 18:24:23 it's easy as in reboot, hard as in it implies facing windows and losing all the context 18:24:27 When do we leave freeze again? 18:24:32 soon 18:25:05 tomorrow? Saturday? 18:25:10 Ah, okay. 18:25:21 My current branch will have to wait until next week anyway. 18:25:32 (testing new stuff should be possible during freeze, though) 18:25:58 *stassats* prefers to slack 18:26:18 I plan to upload binaries for fbsd, but I won't do the PGP key thing. 18:26:59 I'm trying to get an fbsd x86-64 threads build done, so that I can investigate reported backtrace problems. 18:27:20 But as I've been hearing these reports for MONTHS, it shouldn't hold up a release. (-: 18:31:26 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #sbcl 18:34:22 OK, I would like to ask for a short review again ... ISQRT can be made faster by a factor of two to three for fixnum arguments. I have put up incrementally faster variants on https://github.com/leuler/sbcl/commits/faster-fixnum-isqrt (5 commits). 18:34:29 I would like to commit the fastest one but worry whether the speed gains justify the more complex source code. Anybody want to encourage or discourage me? 18:36:56 if it's correct, doesn't increase resulting code-size significantly, why not? 18:37:16 Well, once we're out of code-freeze, at least, right? 18:37:44 2. being maintainable 18:38:05 (answering stassats, not actually addressing this patch) 18:40:43 for me, the change is sufficiently local that it's basically alost certainly fine: the only people who are likely to hack on this are people dealing with square roots of integers 18:41:10 it's not like you've suddenly weirdly-coupled unrelated systems or introduced a new macro language or something :-) 18:42:25 leuler: do you know if there's a reference for the algorithm? (knowing quadrescence, it's probably old lisper folklore ;) 18:43:04 *nyef* wouldn't be surprised if the reference were Knuth or Warren. 18:43:55 pkhuong: As I didn't change the algorithm, no. We would have to ask Robert Smith. 18:44:27 either way, looks fine to me. 18:44:49 Krystof: OK. It's just the first time I needed to have a macrolet result in code containing another macrolet. 18:46:16 -!- ASau` [~user@p5797F473.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: update.] 18:48:02 the macrology isn't *that* bad 18:49:04 OK, thank you all, I will commit that after the freeze. 18:50:47 -!- minion [~minion@50.7.166.114] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:50:49 Regarding a reference, I just searched for the original commit. The code came through lp #713343, but no reference is given there, either. 18:50:50 minion [~minion@50.7.166.114] has joined #sbcl 19:02:17 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 19:14:50 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-jideeyjizriewlge] has joined #sbcl 19:28:51 -!- scymtym [~user@2001:638:504:2093:226:b9ff:fe7d:3e1f] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:27 scymtym [~user@2001:638:504:2093:226:b9ff:fe7d:3e1f] has joined #sbcl 19:36:12 -!- EvilTosha [~eviltosha@188.134.74.46] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:02:21 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:07 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 20:16:58 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:27:20 Bike [~Glossina@174-25-63-128.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 20:52:27 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:56:44 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09:00 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #sbcl 21:10:31 p_l_ [~pl@2002:5965:ded2::1] has joined #sbcl 21:11:09 jsnell_ [~jsnell@ash.snellman.net] has joined #sbcl 21:15:31 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:15:32 -!- jsnell [~jsnell@ash.snellman.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:15:33 -!- p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:43:20 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c0433.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:43:24 -!- psilord [~psilord@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:51:48 -!- p_l_ [~pl@2002:5965:ded2::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:52:04 p_l [~pl@2002:5965:ded2::1] has joined #sbcl 21:52:28 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 22:00:48 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-jideeyjizriewlge] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:15:02 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:15:02 -!- p_nathan [~vlion@76.178.163.213] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:15:20 flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #sbcl 22:15:21 p_nathan [~vlion@76.178.163.213] has joined #sbcl 22:44:57 -!- leuler [~user@p548F9E66.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.1.2 $Revision: 1.796.2.6 $ (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:46:57 -!- Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:02:13 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-231-68.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 23:02:21 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-63-128.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 23:02:26 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 23:14:43 -!- nyef [~nyef@c-76-119-183-159.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 23:15:48 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:18:04 -!- davazp [~user@178.167.197.140.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:23:58 davazp [~user@178.167.197.140.threembb.ie] has joined #sbcl 23:24:10 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #sbcl 23:28:51 -!- davazp [~user@178.167.197.140.threembb.ie] has quit [Client Quit] 23:46:09 psilord [~psilord@c-69-180-173-249.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl