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I'm going to participate in Google Summer of Code, and I want to discuss some project ideas with mentors, but I couldn't find any mention about the potential mentors' contacts. Where should I look for it? 20:57:31 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-186-70.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 20:57:44 try sbcl-devel@lists.sourceforge.net 20:58:33 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-186-70.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 20:59:09 But it's a mailing list for all developers, I thought it's against netiquette to bother so many people 21:00:24 Just curious, what projects are you interested in? 21:01:32 there are some - in particular those about hashing, random generators and type derivation 21:02:23 pkhuong: i don't really see an advantage for LENGTH to detect circularity 21:03:21 if detecting it, why only length? and not all other sequence functions? 21:09:54 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:19:16 length is easy. 21:19:39 and you know, erroring out instead of looping ad infinitum is a win in my book. 21:20:31 provided that you happened to call LENGTH before something else 21:21:03 is it that common to run into circular lists? 21:21:07 but, i can't really say anything without seeing the performance impact, maybe it's indeed insignificant enough 21:21:24 stassats: of course it is. Switch to list-length after a million elements. 21:21:43 or however many. 21:22:18 -!- davazp [~user@178.167.236.131.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:24:01 well, that's still slower than not doing that, but by how much? 21:24:53 and the VOP could produce slightly better code if it knew that it deals with a CONS 21:27:27 and currently, inlining LENGTH for lists takes only 2 bytes more than calling LENGTH 21:27:40 make it an assembly routine. 21:27:58 seriously. show me one code that's bottlenecked on length of lists. 21:33:14 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c28f5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:38:04 -!- duende [~user@68.166.118.234] has left #sbcl 21:44:41 stassats: also the win is 11 bytes here. 21:44:57 i was using speed (safety 0) 21:45:43 comparing (length list) with (length (the list list)) 21:45:47 yes of course. 21:46:10 stassats: the difference is that (safety 0) doesn't check for improper lists. 21:49:37 mmuggli [~user@68.166.118.234] has joined #sbcl 21:51:54 if the type isn't know to be LIST, if course you'll get a regular call. It could be any sequence type. 21:54:39 *known, of course. 21:56:16 -!- leoc [~leoc.git@p5DDB8430.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:07:25 -!- EvilTosha [~eviltosha@188.134.74.46] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:17:00 -!- p_nathan [~vlion@76.178.163.213] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:19:22 davazp [~user@178.167.236.131.threembb.ie] has joined #sbcl 22:36:31 LiamH [~none@96.231.225.69] has joined #sbcl 22:50:27 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50:57 milosn [~milosn@user-5af50bb9.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #sbcl 22:51:33 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:51:42 -!- milosn_ [~milosn@user-5af5096d.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:00:53 TuckerD [~tucker@c-98-216-148-67.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 23:05:43 I'm planning on writing a proposal for the google summer of code for sbcl and I was wondering what if any specific format that it should be written in 23:06:16 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-186-70.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:39:39 -!- davazp [~user@178.167.236.131.threembb.ie] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:39:43 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.225.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:49:58 ASau` [~user@p5797F52C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 23:51:13 -!- ASau [~user@p4FF97886.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]