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Thanks 12:12:29 -!- walid [~walid@162.38.22.98] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:12:50 walid [~walid@162.38.22.98] has joined #sbcl 12:16:19 you need to choose what you want to work on 12:17:20 i assume sbcl-devel is the main communication point 12:19:45 thanks, I am very interrested to work on Quick compilation 12:20:07 I will subscribe to sbcl-devel for more details 12:22:58 -!- pbt [59aed64a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.174.214.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:38:15 Odyessus [~odyessus@089144192076.atnat0001.highway.a1.net] has joined #sbcl 12:40:05 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:43:38 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #sbcl 12:47:45 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.105.210] has joined #sbcl 12:49:01 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@089144192076.atnat0001.highway.a1.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 12:51:21 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.105.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:45 dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #sbcl 13:07:49 easy-iPad [~easyipad@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #sbcl 13:11:35 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #sbcl 13:14:39 -!- jarod_ch_ [~jarod_che@115.192.189.165] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 13:17:25 -!- easy-iPad [~easyipad@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Outta here?] 13:21:40 -!- walid [~walid@162.38.22.98] has left #sbcl 13:33:34 -!- rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-254-252.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 13:37:42 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-177-63.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 13:38:07 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 13:47:01 pkhuong: will you reply to the one about "quick compilation"? 13:51:37 Krystof: hopefully by tomorrow afternoon. 13:55:24 thanks 13:59:22 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 14:07:59 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #sbcl 14:15:58 nyef [~nyef@c-76-119-183-159.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 14:28:11 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 15:09:13 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-177-63.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:17:10 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #sbcl 15:18:34 would somebody object to DISASSEMBLE printing ; Size: 981 bytes ? 15:19:29 no 15:19:50 need to check first that the size is in fact correct 15:19:56 stassats`: I'd find that very useful. 15:20:29 I wouldn't object to DISASSEMBLE printing the constant table, either. 15:20:51 nyef: it sometimes does, badly 15:20:58 if it's after the code 15:21:19 No, the boxed constant table, not the immediate constant table. 15:21:33 ok, now i know the difference 15:21:48 ok, (reduce #'+ segments :key #'seg-length) seems to produce the right size 15:22:03 nyef: there's always INSPECT... and at least the disassembler annotates with values from the constant table. 15:22:41 I don't know if there's an easy way to tell where the elsewhere segment ends... not disassembling immediates would be quite nice. 15:22:58 Abuse the (vestigial) trace-table magic for that? 15:24:23 *stassats`* usually used the number of lines of disassemble to judge how much smaller a function became 15:24:30 Otherwise, check for RIP-relative accesses from the code, and find a low-water mark for the position of the immediate-constant table? 15:24:32 which is not a precise manner 15:26:06 stassats`: it would be, currently. 15:26:31 I'd rather that you go with the second approach, as while I haven't done anything in that direction yet, I do have another possible use for the trace-table magic. 15:26:49 pkhuong: i was talking about counting lines 15:27:07 stassats`: ah. Indeed, very much so on x86-64. 15:27:50 a disassemble-diff would be nice 15:28:43 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 15:28:49 now it's "We've released a new version of our "forge" software. We'll be upgrading your project starting April 22" 15:28:53 no way to hide 15:30:47 leuler [~user@p548FA6AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #sbcl 15:31:48 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #sbcl 15:39:43 this is an excellent extra hurdle for our prospective student applicants 15:40:06 "can you guess which is the canonical git repository? [wait a week] *now* can you guess again?" 15:40:20 can you upgrade it sooner? 15:40:24 like now, so that it's resolved and we can forget about it 15:41:04 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 15:41:30 Yes. Unfortunately the next time I have substantial time to deal with it is on Wednesday -- but maybe I'll announce an early freeze then 15:41:41 xani [~user@178.183.142.79.dsl.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has joined #sbcl 15:59:48 tcr [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 16:14:01 -!- hlavaty [~user@friedrichstrasse.knowledgetools.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:32:28 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.38] has joined #sbcl 16:35:35 Bike [~Glossina@174-25-57-209.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 16:57:34 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:58:04 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 17:03:13 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-213-111.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 17:04:32 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-57-209.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:06:16 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.204.114] has joined #sbcl 17:06:16 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.204.114] has quit [Changing host] 17:06:17 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 17:06:45 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-177-63.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 17:07:41 mess-up action? funny functions? ugh 17:08:42 *stassats* tries to figure what those descriptive names mean 17:09:24 stassats: mess-up are things that have to be cleaned up on return. 17:10:07 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 17:10:11 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-177-63.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 17:12:32 *stassats* switched communication style to :fd-handler, now i can at least inspect ir1 and ir2 structures 17:13:01 otherwise the new inspection request come from a different thread from the current debugger context 17:19:00 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #sbcl 17:22:22 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-177-63.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 17:30:59 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 17:32:32 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 17:36:36 well, /me got read of the crash, but no idea if it's correct, as always 17:37:51 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #sbcl 17:41:59 at least it didn't break the build 17:42:21 *stassats* wishes it did, though, since it's a better indication than no failure 17:42:39 -!- tcr [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:43:33 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-66.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:47:27 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 17:48:06 *stassats* never will get a hang of ir1 and ir2 at that rate 17:49:28 at least tests failed, good, that gives me something to test against 17:50:10 It took me quite a while before I had much of an idea of what goes on at IR1, and some aspects of it still confuse me. 17:50:43 *stassats* pledges to document, if he ever grasps it 17:58:18 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:06:46 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:08:22 aba` [~user@2001:638:504:2093:21d:9ff:fe30:1f87] has joined #sbcl 18:13:00 ah ja 18:17:41 aba`: what? 18:18:23 oh sorry, i mixed the channels 18:18:43 don't cross the streams! 18:19:46 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:20:50 "I'm fuzzy on the whole good/bad thing. What exactly do you mean by ``bad''?" 18:21:30 minion: advice on bad 18:21:30 #11952: In my experience that is a bad strategy, because the people who ask such questions are the ones who paste the answer into their program without understanding it and then complain that it `does not work'. 18:33:06 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 18:34:18 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-177-63.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:35:56 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-146-179.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 18:49:51 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:04:53 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:08:07 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-255-116.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 19:10:17 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 19:10:33 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-213-111.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:12:50 -!- Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-255-116.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:24:42 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:02 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-146-179.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 19:30:55 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 19:37:16 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-255-116.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 19:44:37 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-146-179.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 19:51:01 -!- Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:53:10 -!- leuler [~user@p548FA6AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.1.2 $Revision: 1.796.2.6 $ (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:00:08 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:06:34 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 20:14:02 Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #sbcl 20:14:02 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Krystof 20:20:19 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:24:18 scymtym [~user@ip-178-202-214-83.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #sbcl 20:38:19 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:41:56 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:00:29 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 21:09:44 alagabes [~alagabes@5.175.161.218] has joined #sbcl 21:10:40 ASau` [~user@p5797FF1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #sbcl 21:14:11 -!- ASau [~user@p5797FBE9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:19:59 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #sbcl 21:26:38 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:02 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.38] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:10 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 21:50:37 -!- nyef [~nyef@c-76-119-183-159.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 22:09:57 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:16:32 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 22:27:12 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-218-166.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 22:27:17 instead of a split stack setup, what do you guys think of static stack map? We could alternate aligned chunks of 4 words, 2 boxed, 2 unboxed. What about DX allocation? Well, we already align the stack to 2 words. We'd align to 4 words (and use the regular logic to tell what's a lispobj and what's a header) now. That leaves arglists and returns... I figure we can always be conservative between FP and SP. 22:28:21 so like, each 4 words on the stack would consist of 1 word of each type, and 2 of the address bits would code the type? 22:28:23 + some stack clearing logic on entry points for unused boxed stack slots 22:30:11 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #sbcl 22:30:13 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-255-116.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:30:26 ah, yes, and unwind/catch blocks actually only need one boxed slot; the rest are fixnumish addresses. 22:30:56 -!- xani [~user@178.183.142.79.dsl.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:47 (mind you, it's probably a bad or unworkable idea). No. We just hack the stack allocator to use slots right. Ideally, there's no wastage. In most cases, I expect that some unboxed slots will go unused. 22:32:23 (sorry, Bike kind of dragged me over here, I'm trying to understand things) 22:34:59 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #sbcl 22:41:12 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 22:56:15 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 23:00:46 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:59 tcr [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 23:29:29 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 23:35:54 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:50:39 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d011f7c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:46 -!- tcr [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:57:28 Bike_ [~Glossina@65-102-6-16.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 23:57:57 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-218-166.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]