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Any ideas? 15:32:31 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 15:32:49 pranavrc: #lisp is better for general CL questions 15:33:02 This seems more a general question than an SBCL-specific one. 15:34:35 Ah, yeah, I'll take it there. Just that I was writing an xorshift rand generator whilst taking a look at this -> http://www.sbcl.org/gsoc2013/ideas/#sec-1.3 and thought I'd ask here. 15:36:20 stassats`, I'm getting used to Slime, and it's pretty nifty. Kind of the 'didn't know what I was missing until I used it' moment. 15:40:00 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #sbcl 15:45:35 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:54:43 erikc [~erikc@CPE00222d53fe78-CM00222d53fe75.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #sbcl 15:55:32 pbt [5949569b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.73.86.155] has joined #sbcl 15:58:04 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #sbcl 16:00:57 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 16:02:26 hi, i'm interested in sbcl development in google summer of code program, how hard do you think it'll be to get accepted? 16:03:16 i'm not very experienced lisper or compiler writer, but have genuine interest in both ;) 16:05:24 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.114] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:06:39 we would be glad to accept everyone, but google has limited slots 16:07:03 is there a limit for each organization? 16:07:31 there is a maximum number of students and organizations 16:07:49 some established ones, i image, get more students 16:08:03 it's the first year SBCL is participating, so it may be not that big 16:08:33 how many slots are expected for sbcl? 16:08:38 no idea 16:11:28 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.87] has joined #sbcl 16:12:25 pbt: you might just be competing with me for a slot then :-) 16:13:00 so it's like there will be some number of applications to sbcl, these will be evaluated by sbcl, and then google based on application quality and mentor's evaluation will allocate slots, am i right? 16:13:25 something like that 16:16:20 ehaliewicz: good to hear this :) i'm already more motivated as i know there eager devs 16:16:29 *stassats`* is thinking about applying for mentorship, though i'm useless for the cs theory the proposal is peppered with 16:18:03 pbt, I think the size of the organization and the number of years it has participated earlier matters a bit too 16:21:09 in 2012 there were 180organizations and 1200students, 6 per organization.. so i guess that like around 3-4 sbcl is likely to get 16:23:04 ehaliewicz, what are you interested at? i find these really interesing: 4.3 Peephole optimisation, 5.2 Software write barriers, 5.3 Improving SBCL's memory allocator, 5.5 A hybrid copying/mark-and-sweep garbage collector 16:23:06 yup. Clojure participated for the first time last year and got 4. 16:27:19 what does mentoring entail? 16:28:36 pbt: quick compilation/fast interpretation, peephole optimization, specialized hash tables, and definitely the GC stuff (but I think most of it would be beyond me) 16:29:37 fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 16:29:39 stassats`, just the usual guidance thingy, tracking the status of the project, submitting reports to goog (I was a student back in '11, so i can only tell you out of my experience) 16:30:40 gsoc faq says that mentors have to have like 5 spare hours a week for student 16:30:59 each student get a mentor? 16:31:11 or two 16:31:22 yeah 16:31:31 if i'm helping on #sbcl, which i would anyway, but don't want any paperwork, should i apply or not? 16:32:22 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 16:33:10 I'd wager that most mentors are just paperwork mentors, as in, the community helps the students as a whole anyway - irc, mailing lists and stuff. It's not like the mentor is the only go-to person for a student. 16:33:10 mentors get paid too 16:33:26 and a t-shirt if I remember right 16:33:49 i don't really want to get paid or to get a t-shirt 16:34:00 b-b-but, the t-shirt 16:34:22 i already have a googly t-shirt which i don't wear! 16:34:27 heh, the '10 guys got a flowery t-shirt :p 16:34:32 -!- leoc [~leoc.git@p4FF7AC7D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:46:09 mentors don't get paid 16:46:20 the organization gets paid 16:46:49 in our case, that means the cl-foundation, which will hold the money in trust, maybe to subsidize something like sbcl14.5 or something 16:47:20 I have two googly t-shirts from mentoring 16:48:03 two mentors also get to go to the mentor summit. Since it's in the US, one of them won't be me 16:48:35 how many mentors already signed up? 16:48:42 stassats`: don't worry too much about the CS theory -- I think it was written like that to help make it clear that the students would learn more by doing the projects than "this is how sbcl can be modified" 16:48:54 it was at least partly written with google as the intended audience 16:49:17 at the moment, two and a half. I would love to have more officially signed up even if they don't end up being official mentors, so that we look like a credible organization 16:50:17 the mentoring paperwork is not a heavy load, from my recollection; being available to help the student is substantially more work 16:50:27 (I mentored twice, in the last decade some time) 16:52:03 what's the deadline for mentoring applications? 16:52:53 not sure 16:53:40 according to the timeline, some time in May 16:53:48 https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 16:54:23 ok, i can think some more about it 16:54:34 may 24 16:56:07 for what it's worth, the way I would suggest running it is that each project will have one mentor who is responsible for making sure that paperwork is done, but of course there can be additional input from signed-up mentors and also just random people who hang out on IRC and mailing lists 16:57:15 ILTWIS"just" 16:58:04 I'll be random, at best. (-: 16:59:38 -!- pbt [5949569b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.73.86.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:00:00 Is there a template for student proposals, or are we allowed to go freestyle? ;) 17:01:21 Krystof: who runs cl-foundation? 17:01:27 how do we know that they don't spend it on hookers and blow? 17:02:30 Arthur Lemmens and Edi Weitz 17:02:36 and some other people 17:03:47 ultimately, the mentoring "fee" is tiny anyway; it's not really worth thinking about in terms of whether it's worth participating 17:03:57 ($500 per accepted student) 17:05:00 It's about five hours per week for mentoring, how many weeks? 17:05:47 3 months 17:06:30 June 17 to September 16 17:06:56 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:07:14 dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #sbcl 17:07:23 So, about $7.70 per hour for mentoring? 17:07:46 (Assuming five hours per week and thirteen weeks.) 17:08:07 sounds about right 17:11:09 if that rate of pay (or sum of money) would make the difference for any prospective mentor, let me know and we can work something out 17:21:25 zophy [ceb02321@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.176.35.33] has joined #sbcl 17:29:30 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:33:48 -!- zophy [ceb02321@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.176.35.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:42:49 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:48:46 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-129-125.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:53:18 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:02 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-248-75.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 18:18:23 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: halluzinations] 18:24:11 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:27:45 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:32:27 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:38:24 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-176-109-234.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #sbcl 18:40:42 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #sbcl 18:52:12 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 19:05:14 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 19:27:38 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-lybkcbmwxukdtjts] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:59:07 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #sbcl 20:02:25 ala [5949569b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.73.86.155] has joined #sbcl 20:03:04 -!- ala [5949569b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.73.86.155] has quit [Client Quit] 20:08:52 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19:14 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 20:35:49 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-66.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:42:54 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #sbcl 20:50:01 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-66.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #sbcl 21:10:24 ASau` [~user@p5797FBE9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #sbcl 21:13:32 -!- ASau [~user@p4FF970D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:15:20 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c06e1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:30:13 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-66.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:30:50 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #sbcl 21:33:32 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-66.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #sbcl 21:36:48 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:01 tcr1 [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 22:39:59 -!- nyef [~nyef@c-76-119-183-159.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 22:49:30 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 22:51:48 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:05:10 -!- whoops [~whoops@2a01:4f8:161:41e1::2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:05:51 whoops [~whoops@2a01:4f8:161:41e1::2] has joined #sbcl 23:08:54 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:09:47 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 23:31:56 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]