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Please see http://paste.lisp.org/+2WMJ 16:57:16 "Upgrading ASDF package from version 2.29 to version 2.011" sounds fishy. 16:57:22 Indeed. 16:58:20 You could try removing the old copy of asdf, but, Fare might have something to say about why it's trying to do a downgrade... 16:59:22 I have this old version installed since a long time and never had a problem running SBCL's tests so far. 17:00:41 I'd guess that in previous versions of asdf, it didn't attempt to downgrade from the bundled version to an earlier version? 17:00:50 in previous versions of sbcl, I mean 17:00:52 downgrading is a big no no 17:01:15 please remove any old asdf from your registry, or update them 17:01:17 Fare: yea but why is it doing that, I don't think he's doing it on *purpose*. 17:01:44 it's possible you have run an old asdf upgrade script inside the sbcl sources, and have them in your registry? 17:02:00 (asdf:system-source-file :asdf) can help 17:02:16 or if not in 2.011, (asdf:component-pathname (asdf:find-system :asdf)) 17:02:25 locate the wrongful one 17:02:52 the wrong one is "/usr/share/common-lisp/source/cl-asdf/asdf.lisp", right? 17:05:18 This is run from a directory containing SBCL from git which I regularly pull, build and run tests in. I never did anything regarding an ASDF upgrade in this directory. 17:12:58 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:13:11 pnpuff [~dioxirane@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #sbcl 17:15:03 I annotated the paste with the result of (asdf:system-source-file :asdf). 17:16:34 So far, I was under the impression that SBCL could be build and tested completely independent of any system-wide installations. This seems suddenly to be wrong. 17:20:54 Yeah, is it expected that sbcl --no-sysinit --no-userinit looks for stuf in /usr/share/common-lisp? 17:20:59 that seems odd 17:41:03 ASau [~user@46.115.100.212] has joined #sbcl 17:43:24 -!- pnpuff [~dioxirane@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:43:40 pnpuff [~dioxirane@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #sbcl 17:47:23 -!- pnpuff [~dioxirane@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Client Quit] 17:51:41 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #sbcl 17:54:54 pnpuff [~hypntango@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #sbcl 18:03:19 leoc [~leoc.git@p57B9BF7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #sbcl 18:14:21 foom: is that on debian? 18:14:55 flip214: ask leuler, it's from his http://paste.lisp.org/+2WMJ 18:15:27 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.172.94] has joined #sbcl 18:15:48 hmmm, self-compiled ... than probably not what I'm thinking of. 18:16:01 I believe I've seen such paths being used in debian binaries. 18:23:19 It is Ubuntu. 18:23:27 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:26:08 my self-built 1.1.4 invoked with sbcl --no-sysinit --no-userinit runs smoothly 18:29:16 -!- specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:29:20 specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined #sbcl 18:30:59 prxq: mine too, only running the tests poses a problem. 18:31:34 ah 18:31:50 leuler: ubuntu counts as debian. 18:31:53 That is, I didn't try anything regarding loading an ASDF system or so with it. 18:32:28 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:32:28 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #sbcl 18:39:31 I guess some debianized configuration from /etc or so leaked in during compilation. 18:43:02 Another unexpected observation: http://paste.lisp.org/+2WMJ/2 18:43:39 Well, that looks correct. 18:44:23 ...Are the commandline args in run-tests in the wrong order? 18:44:25 But it's the same invocation as in annotation 1 which points to the system-source-file that is version 2.011. 18:46:11 not the same...run-tests.sh runs sbcl directly with some arguments 18:46:29 run-sbcl runs it with some other arguments and environment variables 18:47:14 My "same" is in reference to the invocations in annotation 1 and 2. 18:47:33 oh, sorry. 18:48:04 Right -- because asdf wasn't loaded the first time. 18:48:16 I mean, when you first do (require 'asdf) 18:48:23 it can only find the one that comes with sbcl. 18:48:44 Then after asdf is loaded, attempting to load it again will load the other one, I think? 18:50:18 I fear I know too little about how this all is intended to work. 18:50:30 *foom* too. 18:53:37 I think it's fairly clear that asdf 2.29 is not ready 18:53:54 one piece of evidence is the "really really this time" release of 2.30 18:53:57 Given the existence of 2.30, that seems self-evident. 18:54:16 so I will be reverting the asdf upgrade commit for this release 18:55:24 I'm looking forward to a few things in the new asdf, so I hope it's ready for next month. 18:56:42 for the benefit of developers I'd at least like to understand how leuler's problem arises 18:56:48 it sucks if we can't reliably run our own tests 18:57:15 Yes, I would like to understand that, too. 18:58:37 Looks like it comes in from (system-configuration-directories) -> #p"/etc/common-lisp/" 19:00:52 Oh wait, no I'm wrong: default-source-registry, loads /usr/share/common-lisp/systems/ directly. I dunno how I missed that one before. 19:02:45 That doesn't appear to have actually changed anytime recently...i guess it just so happened that downgrading asdf worked up till now by accident? 19:04:54 Yes, could be. 19:05:35 Don't know if this helps: http://paste.lisp.org/+2WMJ/3 19:06:59 Well, after asdf is upgraded to the new version, and fare makes the change he promised to do which allows contribs to be generated in such a way as to not require asdf at runtime, this particular problem won't show up in run-tests anymore. :0 19:07:52 But it does seem a bit unfortunate that it's not obvious how to do a hermetic build which doesn't pull in external stuff from the system. 19:08:10 Agreed. 19:23:08 what about not using asdf for contribs at all? 19:26:58 I think ASDF should set its source registry differently, that is, the entry for ASDF itself should point to the contrib directory, too. See http://paste.lisp.org/+2WMJ/4 19:28:13 -!- psilord [~psilord@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:30:24 *Fare* is back 19:53:47 leuler: apt-get remove cl-asdf 19:54:01 leuler: and/or create an updated cl-asdf package 20:06:55 -!- redline6561 [~redline65@li69-162.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 20:10:33 Fare: Thanks for the suggestion. I don't have cl-asdf installed. I installed ASDF by some other means. But I currently don't intend to touch my systemwide installation. Wouldn't it be possible that SBCL restricts itself to using only the ASDF version that is packaged with it and ignoring any other ASDF versions possibly available on the system when running the tests? 20:11:06 Not only any other asdf, but any other *anything*. 20:13:46 i can understand needing upgrading, but _automatic_ upgrading is just asking for trouble 20:14:25 -!- Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:14:34 so many time wasted by people trying to figure out why it breaks... 20:17:35 redline6561 [~redline65@li69-162.members.linode.com] has joined #sbcl 20:21:24 stassats: anyway automatic upgrading/updating (of only one package or a full distro) is a pretty easy and therefore "routinary action" given a package manager 20:22:25 Krystof: I think I understand what causes my problem good enough now - essentially what I wrote above with the link to annotation 4. Is that good enough for you, too? 20:24:02 pnpuff: can you not bring your nonsense at least to #sbcl? 20:25:40 stassats: ok, but _automatic_ upgrading of what? .. thanks 20:25:51 -!- redline6561 [~redline65@li69-162.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 20:27:23 stassats: maybe you was talking about cl-asdf, I suppose, or not? :) 20:28:27 stassats: ..please bring sense to this discussion! 20:28:38 redline6561 [~redline65@li69-162.members.linode.com] has joined #sbcl 20:29:52 -!- redline6561 [~redline65@li69-162.members.linode.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:35:24 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.172.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:41:46 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #sbcl 20:42:49 -!- pnpuff [~hypntango@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: bye] 20:45:17 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #sbcl 21:29:44 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c0263.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:34:51 dioxirane [~thermite@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has joined #sbcl 21:35:14 milanj [~milanj_@82.117.199.26] has joined #sbcl 21:39:34 leoc` [~leoc.git@p57B9ACBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #sbcl 21:43:18 -!- leoc [~leoc.git@p57B9BF7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:52:48 -!- dioxirane [~thermite@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:54:19 dioxirane [~user@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has joined #sbcl 22:04:56 tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 22:07:50 Qworkescence` [~quad@173.252.71.1] has joined #sbcl 22:10:58 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:19:13 -!- dioxirane [~user@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has quit [Quit: no brain to host] 22:38:16 psilord [~psilord@c-69-180-173-249.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 22:45:37 -!- leuler [~user@p548FC1E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.1.2 $Revision: 1.796.2.6 $ (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:53:39 -!- Qworkescence` is now known as Qworkescence 22:53:50 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@173.252.71.1] has quit [Changing host] 22:53:51 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #sbcl 23:27:05 Qworkescence` [~quad@173.252.71.2] has joined #sbcl 23:30:05 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:31:16 -!- Qworkescence` is now known as Qworkescence 23:31:20 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@173.252.71.2] has quit [Changing host] 23:31:20 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #sbcl 23:34:00 redline6561 [~redline65@li69-162.members.linode.com] has joined #sbcl 23:59:03 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]