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on undefined function condition 13:52:37 never actually found it really useful 13:54:55 ccl has something similar, but finds a function with the same name, but from a different package 13:58:51 it would be nice if slime could use restarts with arguments 13:59:10 it can 13:59:20 through the repl 13:59:33 oh? the underlying *inferior-lisp* repl? 13:59:41 nope, the repl repl 13:59:54 huh 14:00:20 ok, it would be nice if slime could use restarts with arguments intelligently with completion and stuff 14:00:35 it would be nicer if it was from the minibuffer 14:00:40 yeah 14:00:57 shame. If you'd told me it could my next wish was going to be "it would be nice if I could fly" 14:01:38 i don't want to add new cool features to slime as to not create competition with my future slime killer 14:07:17 Thra11 [~thrall@84.97.125.91.dyn.plus.net] has joined #sbcl 14:24:05 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.242.149] has joined #sbcl 14:24:05 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.242.149] has quit [Changing host] 14:24:05 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 14:24:05 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@92.47.242.149] has joined #sbcl 14:24:05 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:24:22 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 14:40:23 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs27127210.pp.htv.fi] has joined #sbcl 14:40:23 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o nikodemus 14:43:26 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:43:26 -!- attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@92.47.242.149] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:05:02 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-umfvysfndjmoncab] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:11:37 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: no future] 15:18:09 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #sbcl 15:29:34 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@84.97.125.91.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: kthxbai] 15:39:39 *stassats`* finally made a decent lisp setup on windows 15:54:56 stassats`: where do we learn more about your slime killer thing? 15:55:12 you could call it "bleach" 15:57:10 jdz: you can learn about it from the future 16:04:27 damn, it won't let me force it 16:05:00 gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #sbcl 16:06:23 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.242.149] has joined #sbcl 16:06:23 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.242.149] has quit [Changing host] 16:06:23 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 16:08:12 edgar-rft [~GOD@149.172.63.75] has joined #sbcl 16:08:45 jdz: one thing i know is that it'd be cool and have features slime can't even dream about 16:11:16 any objections to merging package local nicknames? 16:14:19 not from me 16:14:28 let's have some "new feature" entries in NEWS for a change 16:14:32 ok 16:22:06 great, "undefined aliens in cold init" 16:24:41 great title for a horror movie 16:28:25 but this alien is available in a built sbcl 16:28:35 pushed 16:31:33 akovalenko: do you have any ideas why CryptGenRandom cannot be resolved in cold-init? 16:33:08 stassats`: do we link against advapi32? 16:33:48 seems like i missed that part 16:34:03 but why does it work in a fully built sbcl? 16:34:37 ah, looks like i get it 16:35:39 warm-lib.lisp loads advapi32.dll, but os_link_runtime, is in the runtime 16:41:53 i also need to figure out how to build the 64-bit version 16:48:35 adding -ladvapi32 doesn't seem to help 16:49:00 is scratch() still a thing? 16:49:10 you might need to add a call to CryptGenRandom in there 16:49:20 (wait, akovalenko is here, maybe I should just keep quiet :) 16:49:29 Krystof: seems like it's no longer there 16:54:47 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs27127210.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:57:33 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs27127210.pp.htv.fi] has joined #sbcl 16:57:33 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o nikodemus 16:59:35 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:14:30 scratch has to be reintroduced - only a bit of it, one call per library -- if you decide that it's *not ok* to have undefined aliens in cold init. 17:15:26 but the decision itself is arbitrary (I don't mean it's necessarily wrong, it's just not what *I* did) 17:17:15 lichtblau: what do you have to say about this? 17:18:27 I see what's good about it: we're protected against typos like "CryptGenRandon", but maybe there is more. 17:18:36 without delving too far into prehistory, I think the decision was probably motivated to catch errors early: so that you couldn't ... yes, exactly 17:18:50 also there existed a time before linkage-tables 17:23:49 historically, the check for undefined aliens is not a leftover from a time before linkage-tables: at that time, it was simply *impossible* to link against undefined alien. The check appeared after it became possible. 17:28:04 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.242.149] has joined #sbcl 17:28:04 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.242.149] has quit [Changing host] 17:28:05 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 17:28:34 yeah. So the check might have been intended to replicate the failure mode that was there which prevented builds containing undefined aliens 17:28:46 I'm OK with the idea that we can relax that restriction 17:28:47 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Client Quit] 17:29:09 it might be nice to have a self-test near the end of warm-init that there are no undefined aliens at that point, maybe? 17:30:36 i'm ok with adding scratch and let people who want to remove it deal with such things 17:31:59 scratch was nightmare, but with one call per library, it is not -- so I'm ok with everything :) 17:33:03 maybe there's some linker option? 17:34:26 and i actually don't have to reintroduce it, it's already there 17:35:20 stassats`: to link the entire library, needed or not? Maybe there is, but do we want *all* stubs from the import library linked in? 17:39:46 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:41:28 i don't even use windows, so i have no idea what's better 17:41:47 huh, sb-posix failed self-tests 17:42:29 stassats`: a STAT.5 on windows, maybe? 17:43:22 readdir/dirent-name 17:44:42 great, now loading slime fails because of this packages stuff 17:45:47 *stassats`* nudges nikodemus 17:48:16 i expect a lot things getting broken after this 17:50:33 huh? what breaks? 17:50:42 slime breaks 17:51:18 i wonder how i didn't see that 17:51:26 *nikodemus* goes to replicate 17:51:31 it uses a lot of EXPORT and defpackage at-varience fails 17:52:47 shite 17:53:13 and earlier it just blazed past with the full warning 17:53:22 i'll sort it out 17:59:35 added a handler-bind with keep-em 18:01:10 stassats`: no fun forcing a slime update 18:01:28 well, i won't update it, just want to load it 18:02:00 and that sb-posix doesn't fail when i run it manually 18:02:54 stassats`: is your *current-directory* the same as when the test runs automatically? 18:04:16 that's what i'm testing now 18:06:36 looks like it's a problem with enough-namestring 18:09:54 ok, it's because of the different case 18:10:53 should that be a bug or not? 18:13:41 fixed my $HOME, now it passes 18:14:40 pathname-match-p is doesn't match mismatching cases either 18:19:40 alright, checking tests and checking that it doesn't break anything on linux, and crypt-get-random is in 18:21:36 i'm adding *on-package-variance* and defaulting to :warn for now -- :error gets the new behaviour 18:35:15 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@149.172.63.75] has quit [Quit: eternal darkness] 18:40:36 and tests seem to be hung on windows 18:40:50 on all-threads-have-abort-restart 18:49:03 and again 18:54:43 ok, this is better --uglier-- but better: (setf *on-package-variance* '(:warn (:swank) :error t)) in .sbclrc 19:08:44 do we even need CryptGenRandom before warm init? 19:09:47 lichtblau: do you know anything about :all-threads-have-abort-restart hanging? 19:10:01 but no, I don't have a take on this at all. If you guys want to relax the check, go for it. I'm not the one who has debug weird resulting issues. :-) 19:11:03 My only take on this is really that Windows is dumb for not supporting --no-as-needed, which kept me from implementing things properly. Each line in scratch is conceptually just a -lfoo after all. 19:15:07 perhaps the problem is that it doesn't join/kill the threads 19:16:32 used to work for me... 19:16:51 works at the repl 19:17:11 now running just threads.impure 19:17:17 it's painfully slow 19:17:56 hm, looks like it's hung too, on :condition-variable :notify-multiple this time 19:18:03 stassats`: don't you try to interrupt-thread a slime thread in `accept`? (it's not expected to work) 19:18:45 i don't understand what you're talking about 19:19:07 -!- hydan [~udzinari@ip-89-102-13-27.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:19:13 I would have asked "does it work on akovalenko's branch?" next, but if it works at the REPL that's kind of a pointless question, because running the whole test file/suite isn't really comparable then. 19:22:10 now after it succeeded i got windows error message "sbcl.exe stopped working" 19:23:41 it's non-deterministic 19:24:10 well, whatever, make-random-state is not at fault here 19:31:04 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.155.194] has joined #sbcl 19:32:00 now it hangs somewhere in timer.impure 19:32:19 the latest output is TIMER failed to interrupt thread 19:32:30 stassats`: 64 bit or 32 bit? 19:32:39 32 19:34:43 uh, maybe that wasn't the right question. 19:34:54 Let me put it this way: Test results of 64 bit builds running on my Server 2010 were looking less good than 32 bit builds on my Windows 7. Not actually certain where the difference was coming from. 19:35:18 it's a 64-bit windows 7 with 32-bit sbcl 19:36:00 right now i really care only about make-random-state changes not breaking anything 19:38:05 ok, slime works out of the box once more 19:39:50 so, with timer.impure and threads.impure discarded, i get unexpected success on backtrace-interrupted-condition-wait and an unhandled error on win32-foreign-stack-unwind.impure 19:42:16 that's because of -mno-cygwin option to gcc 19:42:28 what kind of gcc should i be using? 19:43:10 remove the -mno-cygwin 19:43:21 remove remove? 19:43:23 earlier mingws did have -mno-cygwin (they just ignored it) 19:43:54 clearly, my mingw was such an old one, since I didn't notice that 19:44:57 that way it succeeds, should i commit the removal? 19:45:54 are there cygwin users here? do they build sbcl with their own gcc? 19:46:53 IMHO cygwin users are cordially invited to write themselves a gcc wrapper script or something 19:47:29 alright, i'll remove it, let's see how many people complain 19:48:18 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #sbcl 19:49:03 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs27127210.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:49:37 and i have some runaway sbcl processes 19:51:52 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs27127210.pp.htv.fi] has joined #sbcl 19:51:52 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o nikodemus 19:58:25 crypt-get-random is in, it took me way longer than i expected... 19:59:22 \o/ 20:00:06 bah, a NEWS merge conflict 20:01:48 -!- ffualo [~ffualo@67.139.61.189] has left #sbcl 20:04:54 good thing i already have all the code, thanks to akovalenko, otherwise it would've took even more wrestling with windows 20:05:00 s/have/had/ 20:27:35 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #sbcl 20:30:42 whenever SBCL upgrades to ASDF 2.27 or later, I volunteer to rewrite the contrib system to no longer require .asd files and source code. 20:55:48 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:07:58 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #sbcl 21:22:29 tcr1 [~tcr@84.72.21.32] has joined #sbcl 21:32:51 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #sbcl 21:34:00 Posterdati [~antani@host107-26-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #sbcl 21:51:15 -!- Quadrescence is now known as Qworkescence 22:09:27 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #sbcl 22:14:30 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.155.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:15:35 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs27127210.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:32:57 hydan [~udzinari@ip-89-102-13-27.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #sbcl 22:45:50 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@84.72.21.32] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:48:06 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:01:03 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c1a2c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #sbcl 23:17:50 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c1a2c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:26:33 tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 23:27:20 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:31:01 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c1a2c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #sbcl 23:31:15 -!- akovalenko [~user@95.72.98.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:31:57 akovalenko [~user@95.73.108.51] has joined #sbcl 23:51:06 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:54:08 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving]