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H4ns has a PPC and alpha for me, so I'm wondering whether alpha testing is worth that investment. 16:01:37 Haven't used SPARC for 10 years now, and do not recall what sort of hardware I need to get for << 1h compile times. Any recommendations? 16:02:07 I haven't used SPARC for a long time either 16:02:23 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #sbcl 16:02:31 the machines I used were definitely not << 1h (I seem to remember about 3h, though that might have gone down a bit now with our Faster CompilerTM) 16:03:02 could be worth getting an account on the gcc compile farm? 16:04:13 Ebay is full of Sun stuff that I recall sitting in front of for many years, which means that it's suspiciously old. 16:05:08 Kryztof: that's a good point, and I should ask nikodemus how he got his account there. 16:05:10 I'd still kind of like my own machine for a continuous build setup that doesn't hurt other users. 16:10:50 too bad we sent our E4.5k to FSF. 16:11:03 I recall olde SBCL builds taking hoursthere too (450 MHz) 16:11:38 I think gcc's buildfarm only needs an email. 16:12:13 http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/CompileFarm concurs 16:18:10 fun: GHC has very similar issues wrt LLVM support. We might just have to wait a couple more years to have a perfectly drop-in replacement for IR2 ;) 16:20:08 milanj [~milanj_@93-86-58-225.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #sbcl 16:41:05 which ones in particular? 16:41:48 (unrelated to your point, but GHC also was the one well-known LLVM use case that implemented its own calling convention, right?) 16:41:53 right. 16:41:59 it's got data next to code now 16:42:16 and they need local calling conventions 16:43:34 last time I looked, they had RIP-relative addressing in the static compiler, but the JIT cheated using absolute addresses, which seemed annoying. 16:44:02 the last point isnt available yet, and it means that GHC has to use a fixed (at least, before regalloc) calling convention for their continuations 16:44:13 we'd have to do that for local functions. 16:45:12 I think we can force RIP-relative code in the JIT, with table next to code. 16:51:06 huh. Would you have expected that return-from a block that no longer exists gives a memory fault? 16:53:26 I vaguely remember that making sense. 16:53:36 Isn't there a check at non-zero safety? 16:55:14 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-140-20.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:58:05 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-140-20.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 17:00:12 antgreen [user@nat/redhat/x-uojkbwhvutzqogdk] has joined #sbcl 17:05:05 ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has joined #sbcl 17:09:14 -!- Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15:39 pkhuong: if there is, it doesn't work for me on x86-64 typing code in at the repl 17:16:28 I get "attempt to RETURN-FROM a block or GO to a tag that no longer exists" 17:17:12 test case: 17:17:22 (defun call/cc (f) (flet ((k (r) (return-from call/cc r))) (funcall f #'k))) 17:17:43 (call/cc #'call/cc) 17:17:45 (funcall * 3) 17:20:53 interestingly, you're right that less tortured cases give me a sensible error message 17:24:06 hm, could it be that the call/cc from the second call is bogusly being returned-from from the #'k in the first call? 17:24:07 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-140-20.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:25:09 -!- Guest28547 [~root@li129-64.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:25:53 Kryztof: I don't see how that could happen. 17:25:57 no, neither do I 17:26:04 and I don't think it does any more 17:26:38 the value cell *should* be zeroed out on return. 17:32:17 -!- jiacobucci [~jiacobucc@gw-asdl.ae.gatech.edu] has left #sbcl 17:32:36 If I've got (handler-bind ... (make-thread 'foo)), will the handlers also be active in foo? 17:32:47 Neronus: no. 17:33:59 pkhuong: OK, I guessed right then. THanks 17:34:20 Kryztof: oh wow. 17:34:26 the cleanup code isn't in an UWP 17:35:11 so what happens is that the continuation returns and skips the code that would mark the return tag as dead. 17:35:57 woo 17:36:09 Guest28547 [~root@li129-64.members.linode.com] has joined #sbcl 17:36:40 not sure if I want to fix it. 17:36:57 maybe make it an uwp block at very high safety 17:38:02 getting it wrong completely hoses the session 17:38:10 -!- ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has quit [Quit: ddp] 17:38:39 no restarts, no %end-of-the-world -- nothing but (quit :recklessly-p t) 17:39:10 ah, right, it'd completely hose the REPL if you're not in a thread. 17:39:25 it's tempting to tell everyone to turn off the security "no mapping stuff at memory 0" so that we can put a guard page there :-) 17:41:02 can we put the uwp around the nlx only, so that non-nlx-taking code doesn't incur the cost? 17:42:29 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:43:27 that's what I'm looking at. 17:44:06 ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has joined #sbcl 17:45:22 jiacobucci [~jiacobucc@gw-asdl.ae.gatech.edu] has joined #sbcl 17:50:47 the best I can see is that we could store a reference to the value cell in the unwind block 17:50:58 and have UNWIND zero these out as it goes up the stack. 18:57:32 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #sbcl 19:02:17 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:07:27 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #sbcl 19:41:13 -!- dtw [dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: +++ATH0] 19:54:35 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.137.100] has joined #sbcl 19:58:19 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@m212-96-64-229.cust.tele2.kz] has joined #sbcl 19:58:19 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@m212-96-64-229.cust.tele2.kz] has quit [Changing host] 19:58:19 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 20:02:29 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Client Quit] 20:22:29 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-140-20.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 20:28:50 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:29:18 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #sbcl 21:05:01 hkarlen [~user@c83-254-165-239.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #sbcl 21:05:36 -!- hkarlen [~user@c83-254-165-239.bredband.comhem.se] has left #sbcl 21:14:36 -!- ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has quit [Quit: ddp] 21:25:34 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d011f77.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #sbcl 21:44:05 ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has joined #sbcl 21:47:47 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.235.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:00:24 -!- antgreen [user@nat/redhat/x-uojkbwhvutzqogdk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:49 -!- cow-orker [~foobar@pogostick.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:18:50 -!- psilord1 [~psilord@mpls.sift.info] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:26:49 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.137.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:30:52 -!- ddp [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has quit [Quit: ddp] 22:35:10 -!- milanj [~milanj_@93-86-58-225.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 22:35:57 milanj [~milanj_@93-86-58-225.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #sbcl 22:38:35 -!- milanj [~milanj_@93-86-58-225.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Client Quit] 22:49:00 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:56:45 The_third_man [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #sbcl 22:59:20 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d011f77.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:31:07 ddp_ [~ddp@otwbsc02.oceanic.net] has joined #sbcl