01:02:37 Phoodus [~foo@68.107.217.139] has joined #sbcl 01:39:36 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-45-22-54.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 04:13:16 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-108-45-22-54.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:00:26 nikodemus` [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #sbcl 06:05:10 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-137-29.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:12:03 hm. sourceforge offers a mediawiki for projects these days, it seems 06:12:30 i wonder if we should migrate sbcl-internals.cliki.net there 06:14:00 Or try and document things more officially. The off-chance of a useful external edit doesn't seem worth the trouble of keeping spammers at bay. 06:17:58 you mean "give internals manual more love"? 06:19:41 yup. Let's not hope for any Wiki fairy. 06:20:27 yeah 06:20:57 so we should probably instead be looking to migrate things from there to internal manual... 06:21:15 and put the internals manual up on the web as well, for convenience 06:21:32 definitely. 06:40:43 drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has joined #sbcl 06:46:09 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.62.153] has joined #sbcl 06:47:30 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:32:51 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.181] has joined #sbcl 09:03:27 tsuru```` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-25-15.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #sbcl 09:04:08 -!- tsuru``` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-250-214.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:02:28 -!- pers [~user@96-25-162-104.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:23:03 akovalen` [~anton@95.73.51.146] has joined #sbcl 10:23:25 -!- akovalen` is now known as akovalenko` 10:24:24 -!- akovalenko [~anton@95.73.221.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:24:39 -!- akovalenko` is now known as akovalenko 11:56:17 -!- tsuru```` is now known as tsuru 12:07:42 -!- whoops [u549@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qzoykgbwcuuhsliu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:22:25 -!- sbryant [~freenode@ghanima.slavasaur.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 12:24:13 whoops [u549@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-frlregqmysierdqx] has joined #sbcl 12:26:00 sbryant [~freenode@ghanima.slavasaur.com] has joined #sbcl 13:02:25 Krystof [~user@158.223.59.95] has joined #sbcl 13:19:06 -!- nikodemus` [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:50:57 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #sbcl 13:53:17 -!- Krystof [~user@158.223.59.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:01:27 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-76-254-45-26.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:07:41 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-76-254-45-26.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #sbcl 14:13:57 -!- danlarkin [~dan@danlarkin.org] has quit [Quit: Quit] 14:14:33 danlarkin [~dan@danlarkin.org] has joined #sbcl 14:19:39 nyef [~nyef@c-174-63-105-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 14:19:50 G'morning all. 14:28:06 Blkt [~user@82.84.150.239] has joined #sbcl 14:29:35 -!- Blkt [~user@82.84.150.239] has quit [Client Quit] 14:29:43 Blkt [~user@82.84.150.239] has joined #sbcl 14:30:04 -!- Blkt [~user@82.84.150.239] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32:44 hi nyef 14:41:39 homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-194-68.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 14:45:54 leuler [~user@p54902EA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #sbcl 14:47:04 hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-112-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #sbcl 14:48:01 ... NIL as a function return type? 14:48:16 I suppose that means that the function is expected to not return. 15:08:41 yes 15:09:09 How does CCL indicate the same? 15:09:40 CCL doesn't agree with the interpretation 15:10:02 Not quite what I asked. How does CCL indicate that a function doesn't return? 15:10:17 Or should I be asking on #ccl? 15:10:29 afaik you cannot indicate that in CCL 15:10:42 Hum. 15:10:45 http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/ticket/764 15:10:52 I suppose the next question is, does it matter? 15:12:39 i don't think working around it for xc should be too hard 15:13:05 just have things with return type T for CCL, even if they never return 15:13:48 but for us, internally, yes, we want to keep our empty types 15:14:09 Right, it's the XC scenario that I'm concerned about. 15:15:37 i think it's should be just a matter of having (deftype never () #+ccl t #-ccl nil) for xc, and using it where appropriate 15:16:08 but: i shall now cross my fingers and try a dist-upgrade 15:16:13 see you on the flipside... 15:16:20 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181056239.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:19:58 Possibly should call it "no-return", but yeah. That'd be cleaner than what I was thinking. 15:23:04 wht is XC ? 15:23:18 Cross-compile. 15:23:29 ah 15:23:48 --xc='/usr/bin/lis....now i remember.... 15:23:57 "eXCeedingly dumb compiler" 15:24:28 That too. Bloody cross-float-infinity-kludge... 15:25:37 I think I need to set up a cross-build with a clisp host. 15:25:49 Much as I really don't want to have clisp on my systems. :-/ 15:28:18 Alternately, I suppose I could just make the hack I want and leave a big fat warning in the commit message about what could be going wrong, and how to fix it. 15:28:25 I do nightly sbcl builds from both clisp and sbcl, fwiw 15:28:51 Oh, good. So I can just commit, and know if there's a problem within a day or so? 15:29:57 sure, I'll either fix it or give you a build log 15:34:53 I hate to be a grumpy release manager, but is this something that needs to be going in during the freeze? 15:35:08 well, slush 15:35:23 Nope. Wasn't planning on committing anything more this week. 15:36:11 ok, good. misread your intentions then :-) 15:36:55 I've got a small stack of fun things for XC / genesis / cold-init. 15:37:32 But they still need putting together. 15:41:07 jsnell: If you've got a few minutes, would you mind telling me what you think about http://repo.or.cz/w/sbcl/nyef.git/commitdiff/e67ef6e16b4193808e3862b324ee1f0ba04f1017 going in once the freeze is over, or what could be improved about it? 15:46:35 christoph_debian [~user@oteiza.siccegge.de] has joined #sbcl 16:04:43 brown [user@nat/google/x-bwagywvtfyptogtw] has joined #sbcl 16:05:08 -!- brown is now known as Guest66415 16:21:58 nikodemus` [~nikodemus@cs181056239.pp.htv.fi] has joined #sbcl 16:29:37 antgreen [~user@70.50.65.12] has joined #sbcl 17:04:06 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #sbcl 17:09:21 Is there a way to just squash the style warning about implicitly creating a new generic function?.. 17:11:09 -!- leuler [~user@p54902EA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.1.2 $Revision: 1.796.2.6 $ (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:11:12 angavrilov: Yes. The easiest way is via DEFGENERIC. 17:12:11 a defgeneric would delete any methods defined through other defgeneric, won't it? 17:12:49 it would seem quite improper to do inside a macro that just defines some slot accessor-like methods 17:13:38 Yeah, looks like it clears methods added via previous defgenerics. 17:13:48 ... But not methods added via defmethod? 17:15:29 Okay, how about using ENSURE-GENERIC-FUNCTION? 17:18:06 -!- hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-112-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:19:13 -!- Guest66415 [user@nat/google/x-bwagywvtfyptogtw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19:17 Guest66415 [user@nat/google/x-vpowsaservkjvren] has joined #sbcl 17:26:01 -!- nikodemus` [~nikodemus@cs181056239.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:50:51 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #sbcl 17:50:51 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o nikodemus 18:08:31 ... and metabang-bind also creates some weird #:|binding-generator123| methods, which seem to be completely pointless since there is only one method ever per gensym 18:10:25 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.62.153] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:10:54 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.62.153] has joined #sbcl 18:12:11 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.67.212.191] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49:09 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c0938.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #sbcl 19:27:11 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:07:20 -!- jiacobucci [~jiacobucc@gw-asdl.ae.gatech.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10:04 jiacobucci [~jiacobucc@gw-asdl.ae.gatech.edu] has joined #sbcl 21:41:52 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.62.153] has left #sbcl 21:42:08 tsuru` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-29-223.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #sbcl 21:43:49 -!- tsuru [~charlie@adsl-74-179-25-15.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:50:40 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:57:21 udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #sbcl 22:00:49 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:43:35 -!- nyef [~nyef@c-174-63-105-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 22:48:10 m00natic [~user@79.124.82.134] has joined #sbcl 22:50:13 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c0938.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:58:09 udzinari` [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #sbcl 22:59:12 -!- udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:26:32 -!- m00natic [~user@79.124.82.134] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]