00:12:58 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-137-134.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 00:16:44 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-137-134.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:34:19 -!- akovalen` is now known as akovalenko 02:53:18 -!- redline6561 is now known as redline6561_nop 04:18:44 tsuru``` [~charlie@adsl-98-87-44-151.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #sbcl 04:20:13 -!- tsuru`` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-197-154.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:06:32 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.45.15] has joined #sbcl 07:51:50 -!- Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:01:57 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-169-250.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:02:57 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-158-30.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 09:54:27 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #sbcl 09:57:10 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Client Quit] 10:00:40 -!- akovalenko [~anton@95.72.103.36] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:00:43 akovalen` [~anton@95.73.126.214] has joined #sbcl 10:14:12 -!- akovalen` is now known as akovalenko 10:52:28 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-158-30.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 11:02:58 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-158-30.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 11:08:11 why does setf or setq not work within sbcl ? 11:08:55 i thought i can do (setf *original-readtable* (copy-readtable)) and get an on the fly special variable *original-readtable* 11:09:12 but sbcl complains about *original-readtable* not being defined or so 11:09:38 unless i use (defparameter *original-readtable* nil) before that..... 11:09:47 it's all in my .sbclrc 11:12:59 wtf, wheter i have #+maxima or #-maxima, it's that always the commands after #-maxima are evaled, wether i start sbcl or maxima ..... 11:13:15 so #+maxima is totally ignored.... 11:15:41 homie: setf and setq are undefined by the standard, so you aren't supposed to expect anything here, you'd better ask first. . SBCL locally assumes undefined variables to be special, so you probably get something like you want if you just ignore the warning (for silencing warnings, see SBCL manual, 4.1.1) 11:17:14 homie: obviously, your ~/.sbclrc is read before maxima is loaded. 11:19:27 yes, i can ignore the warning, but wondered about it..... ok thank you for the clarification 11:19:43 you mean by the standard the sbcl implementation standard not ? 11:27:09 homie: any implementation is allowed to define its own meaning for setq on a free variable. Common Lisp standard mandantes nothing here. Nowadays, there are two approaches to setq in actual CL implementations: either warn and proclaim a variable globally special, or warn and assume that free variable reference (only that time) to refer a special variable. 11:28:28 ok 11:56:02 tsuru```` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-196-112.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #sbcl 11:57:46 -!- tsuru``` [~charlie@adsl-98-87-44-151.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:10:56 and what might be the issue with #+ and #- getting swapped meanings sometimes or one of them being ignored ? 12:35:04 homie: [once again] obviously, your ~/.sbclrc is read _before_ maxima is loaded. 12:41:10 hah, it that was true, it would work, obviously it is read after maxima is started so that the #-maxima or #+maxima feature loses meaning in my .sbclrc 12:41:24 ok nvm 15:20:21 Blkt [~user@82.84.170.159] has joined #sbcl 15:31:42 good evening everyone 15:47:26 -!- redline6561_nop is now known as redline6561 16:17:51 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.45.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:49:30 -!- Blkt [~user@82.84.170.159] has quit [Quit: cya] 17:49:07 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c3bde.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #sbcl 18:03:02 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-158-30.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:11:52 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-158-30.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 18:46:41 -!- Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:51 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07:17 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.45.15] has joined #sbcl 20:46:46 Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #sbcl 20:47:43 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.45.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:55:11 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c3bde.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:20:39 -!- antifuchs [~foobar@care.boinkor.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:56:35 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-187-196.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 21:59:11 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-158-30.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:38:17 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #sbcl 23:33:56 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-187-196.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)]